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Judo Chop: Dan Henderson and Rick Hawn Win the Trip Take Down Battles

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MMA is a complex sport. There is a lot to take in when trying to understand the technical game and most of the attention is devoted to flashy striking techniques, exotic submission holds and dramatic slams and throws. Trips from the standing clinch don't get a lot of attention.

Let's rectify that with today's Judo Chop.

This weekend's Strikeforce: Feijao vs Henderson and Bellator 35 events both featured excellent examples of the take down fight from the clinch. This shouldn't be entirely surprising since former Olympic Greco-Roman wrestler Dan Henderson and U.S. Judo team member Rick Hawn were featured on the respective cards. 

What may be more surprising is that the most notable techniques from both men came straight from Judo. The strict rules of Greco-Roman wrestling forbid any attacks below the waist so pure Greco-Roman brings MMA a fairly limited range of attacks, but it's very common for fighters coming into MMA from Greco to have done quite a bit of training in trips and throws for folkstyle or freestyle competition.  

In fact the cross-over is so thorough that there is really very little distinction between many freestyle and American folkstyle techniques and judo techniques. American wrestling programs will eagerly train any move that is legal in competition and proven effective.

For this post I'm using judo nomenclature just because it's what I'm more familiar with but I'd love to hear from wrestlers in the comments explaining things in wrestling terminology.

I asked BE reader Dan Pedersen aka judonerd to break down the action. We'll hear from Dan and look at some animated gifs and videos in the full entry. 

SBN coverage of Bellator 35 
SBN coverage of Strikeforce: Feijao vs. Henderson

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Gifs by BE member Grappo (except Werdum/Vera)

Take it away Dan:

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Dan Pedersen: As far as Hendo goes, he actually defends the same outside leg-cover trip with a very similar movement to Uchi Mata (though I doubt his intention was to go for the pure Judo throw). Watch him step back with his free leg to center his balance and turn his body into the throw. Feijao basically made the mistake of placing his weight on Hendo's hips when he wrapped his leg for the trip, and Hendo was able to use this to regain control of the clinch. Because Hendo's hips are between Feijao's legs, he can carry Feijao's weight easily or disrupt his footwork with a simple twist of the waist. Because of the placement of Hendo's left thigh and his upper body control, Feijao has to swing his attacking leg far wide to get it clear and regain his balance.

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Dan Pedersen: Hendo's trip takedown is another common counter to the outside leg-cover: O Uchi Gari. Feijao once again goes for the rudimentary outside leg-cover trip and winds up just putting his weight on Hendo's hips again--really poor game-planning considering his opponent is a Greco specialist. Hendo keeps his center of gravity under Feijao, and as Feijao tries to drive forward into the trip, Hendo just steers the attacking leg clockwise with his own thigh. Feijao continues forward while his lead leg is yanked off to the right, and he goes down hard. Feijao winds up on his back because he never had control of the clinch in the first place.

Fabricio Werdum used this same ouchi gari take down on Brandon Vera at UFC 85. 

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Here's an animated gif of the ouchi gari from Judo Info:

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In the gif above we see Jim Wallhead attempt to shoot in for a double leg take down on Rick Hawn. Wallhead dives down to attack Hawn's lead left leg. He seals his fate when he wraps his right leg around the back of Hawn's left and Hawn is able to land a low Uchi Mata.

AKA grappling coach Dave Camarillo describes this very technique in his Guerrilla Jiu-Jitsu book on pp. 108-111.

Dan Pedersen: The other reason Hawn gets the toss is because Wallhead tries to perform a simple leg-cover trip on top of his single. Karo Paisyan explains why using this against a Judoka is a really bad idea in this video:




 

 

Dan Camarillo uses the same Uchi Mata against Genki Sudo's single leg in this old competition video:


 

 

If your Japanese is in good shape the following will be even better, but it's a nice slow demo of the Uchi Mata as a single leg counter that is very easy to follow despite the language barrier:



Here's an animated gif of an Uchi Mata:

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by bobthewriter on Mar 8, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

I'm trippin on a hole in a paper heart from this

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by WeirdFishes on Mar 8, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Excellent stuff

And people say Hendo doesn’t use his wrestling anymore…

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by Anthony Pace on Mar 8, 2011 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

ehhhh . . . not really.
I’ll give him the excuse of an unfavorable weight cut or whatever circumstances against Jake Shields . . . but let’s not mention that Shields is a great grappler.
But Henderson has by and large favored his straight-foward-here’s-my-right-hand-coming approach as opposed to offensive wrestling. Well I guess I can say that he has been using his wrestling skills defensively often but overall not to the extent you would expect from a guy with his background.

I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Mar 8, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hendo's thing has never been the double leg

We’d see more of his wrestling if people got in the clinch with him more often, but coming into Hendo’s range isn’t a winning strategy.

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by Anthony Pace on Mar 8, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That's it

MMA wrestling doesn’t equal just double-leg takedowns.

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by duck on Mar 8, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Even then, prior to this fight, he seemed to prefer to dirty box and separate rather than try to take guys down from the clinch. He still used it periodically, just not as often as he should have imo.

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by The American Ronin on Mar 9, 2011 7:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I couldn't comment on these

I will say though trips and footsweeps are in Freestyle wrestling since as the name suggests is has more of an anything goes when it comes to throws and takedowns.

by KJ Gould on Mar 8, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

very true and it's extremely common for American wrestling programs

at all levels to bring in Judo players to drill on trips and throws.
I’m sure Hendo learned these moves in the context of his wrestling training.

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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I can only comment from my own perspective, but I’m sure freestylers and greco guys could explain any of the techniques just as well.

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by judonerd on Mar 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

added a note to the intro to clarify that

judo has no patent on these trips, just a handy nomenclature.

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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 8, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Japanese words always sound cooler than "inside foot trip"

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by duck on Mar 8, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

here's the image

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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks!

i love trips. i think they’re going to get more popular. athletes like jon jones, akiyama, stun gun kim and maia all use them to great effect. they are particularly good, it seems to me, for bjj guys, becuase it’s easier to translate into a dominant position and they can catch more traditional wrestlers by surprise.

by Clifford J on Mar 8, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Can you send a link to an example of a sit trip?

I’m not familiar with the term, but I may recognize the technique.

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by judonerd on Mar 8, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't find a link to it online.

It might be referred to with other names. It can be thrown from a clinch or hand fighting, but i have usually seen it thrown from a collar tie. It is shot similar to an ankle pick. The offensive wrestler steps across his body, i.e. using his right foot, and steps behind the opponents right heel. You follow through the forward motion and come to sit on your own right heel, Simultaneously you pull your opponents head down/torso/arms down. Since their right leg is trapped by your heel they can’t step back so their butt generally goes back. As you sit in your heel it creates a lever similar to an ankle pick that trips the opponent backwards.

I ask because it looks similar the trip Wallhead tried, but it is done without the hands engaging the opponents leg so the hands are engaged higher on the opponents body.

by MrPants on Mar 8, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If that wasn't clear

It is almost like a cross body inside trip where you drop your own weight and sit onto your heel to great an ankle pick type of leverage.

by MrPants on Mar 8, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

So your right leg attacks their right leg? A cross body motion?

No, the Uchi Mata wouldn’t work—the way the leg wraps is wrong for the body movement. And it’s the wrong side of the body for an O Uchi Gari. Maybe a Ko Uchi Gari would work though. You would have to throw it as the attacker throws his lead leg forward—just a light hook to steer his leg even further than he intended. Who knows. I wish there was video to watch. I also suspect that if the attacker used a sit trip (as I understand it) that the defender would have a fairly easy time taking his back (due to leg placement).

It doesn’t seem like a very stable attack, but I’ve never seen it used, so I’m really just guessing. I would assume it’s not something you use alone as a leading technique — maybe more likely in combination or in a scramble?

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by judonerd on Mar 8, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I used it as a leading technique

You would set it up like an ankle pick. Rotate to your right. When your opponent steps back with their left foot, you drive off of your left foot stepping across your body behind our opponent’s right foot. As you step you pull down on their head/arm torso. Once your right foot is planted behind their heel you drive through. As your butt comes onto your own heel it creates the lever to trip your opponent.

 Since you don’t need to clear your body under your opponent you can pull their body down really far, which generally prevents being thrown or them sprawling. If you miss the trip you just continue to drive until you are standing again. Its just one lunging step so it requires a good amount of flexibility,

by MrPants on Mar 8, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I know the one you mean

Does your right leg come inside and wrap their right leg, almost like pulling half guard on that leg, but you drive into them and straighten their leg causing a trip?

If it is it’s difficult to hit if the other guy get’s his other leg back. You’re more likely to get it and the foot is forward and the hip is back but less likely if the foot and hip are in line (standing straight on that leg) or if the foot is back from the hip (learning forward)

by KJ Gould on Mar 8, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Also ...

It’s too easy to be pushed down to your back due to lack of base. That’s why the regular inside trip (your right leg to their left) is preferable.

by KJ Gould on Mar 8, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we are on the same page.

If you don’t control their upper body you can be put on your back, but I have never seen someone put on their back attempting it in a match.

by MrPants on Mar 8, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I found a video

I shot it from farther out and pulled the opponents upper body down, but here it is

by MrPants on Mar 9, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

Very similar to this. But the technique isn’t used much in Judo because it’s much more easy to hit the outer sweep (Osoto Gari) by driving past them, and you get much better results (side control, armbars, armbars from failed osoto garis).

As it is, none of the techniques in the chop would counter the sit trip, and I’m not really sure what would.

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by judonerd on Mar 9, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice write up once again

I learn something new everytime. Although i was kinda hoping for the sweeps Feijao did (half guard?). But Judo is always fun to watch.

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by Krimson on Mar 8, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

That Couture – Big Nog was such a fun fight.

by TheManDude on Mar 8, 2011 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

Is the Judo Chop about John Makdessi still coming?

by Daredevil525 on Mar 8, 2011 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

yes!

I’m waiting until the week before his next fight. but thanks for staying on me about that.

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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 8, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Judo Chop Nate!

Atta boy to you too judonerd, great breakdown. Rick Hawn is just a beast, so quick and fluid and Hendo is Hendo, awesome Greco mixed with big power. Both a joy to watch.

As an aspiring Judoka myself, I’m really enjoying the trip takedowns. I’m a big fan of clinch fighting, and as most MMAists seem to be somewhat uncomfortable there, it gives me a bit of extra confidence knowing that soon I’ll have an upperhand in an area where a lot of fights end up.

For anyone interested in potentially trying Judo for themselves, you can follow along with me on my journey, and maybe it can give you an idea if it’s for you :

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by RearNakedChoker on Mar 8, 2011 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

thanks

and as far as your MMA Judo goes, Harai your Goshi until you have nightmares about Harai Goshi and puke little Harai Goshis.

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by judonerd on Mar 8, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me brother,

I’m all over the Harai Goshi.

As soon as my Sensei lets me. :(

(p.s. cant wait to puke little Harai Goshis) :P

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by RearNakedChoker on Mar 8, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the Judo Chop!

Knowing next to nothing about Judo, I was totally amazed to see Dan counter the outside leg wrap…I thought he was going down under the weight of the bigger Feijao for certain, and boom! He’s on top, and I’m in awe.

Thanks guys!

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by Snatchl on Mar 8, 2011 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

The Werdum sweep is sweet!

Any one can recommend an affordable judo class in New York?

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by VeeisAnimated on Mar 8, 2011 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

Vee

Check out your local community colleges, a lot of them (in California anyway) offer good Judo classes at all experience levels for really affordable prices. I’m paying about $5.50 per hour of instruction. Hope that helps.

Oh and yeah, the Werdum sweep was sweet. ;)

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by RearNakedChoker on Mar 8, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I CAN AFFORD 5.50 per hour, that sounds great!

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by VeeisAnimated on Mar 8, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool buddy,

Let me know if you find something good in your area. Post it in my latest Judo Class fanpost if you can, in case any other New Yorkers are interested in an inexpensive Judo class. Who knows, you may get to train with some fellow Elbownians!

(edit : to get you started, Hostos Community College – 108 Cooper Street, New York – (212) 567-7132 – has a Judo class, the link is below. Scroll down about 2/3 of the page :

http://www.hostos.cuny.edu/oaa/edu/courses.htm

Borough of Manhattan Community College likely has one too, but I can’t open the class schedule PDF for some reason (could be because it’s 52 pages) so I don’t know for sure.

Just Google community colleges + your zip code and you should be able to find one within a reasonable distance for you. Good luck!

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by RearNakedChoker on Mar 8, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

that's BElitists

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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 8, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I coined the term Elbonians in my head

Then someone else came out and actually wrote it down, so that’s what I have been calling us.

I don’t quite like BElitists…it makes us sound like were elitists or something. :P

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by RearNakedChoker on Mar 8, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks! I’ll be checking out Hostos!

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by VeeisAnimated on Mar 9, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool, brother

Let us know how it goes. :)

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by RearNakedChoker on Mar 9, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

McBurney Judo Club at the YMCA on West 14th between 6th and 7th.

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by FRANKIE on Mar 9, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

as both a wrestler and a judoka i feel i can comment

that the impact of wrestlers cross-training with judokas is a little over-emphasized. i, along with many others, learned these trips in high school as pure folkwrestling—no judo influences whatsoever. these techniques were part of my vocabulary long before i rolled with any judokas. i’m 100% sure that this was the same case with hendo—that this is not a product of “refining his wrestling with judo.” i trained with a few different programs, and i never had judokas guest-teach practices on the merits of foot-sweeps. i’m sure this has happened, but only with elite programs and/or extremely open-minded coaches. it’s much more the exception than the rule.

by dr. ransom on Mar 8, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

the exchange of techniques between wrestling and judo

took place 50 – 100 years ago. and yes, the clear cut coundaries are never clear cut.

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by judonerd on Mar 8, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

cank you

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by judonerd on Mar 8, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

: )

p.s. oh, there definitely was a dialogue between wrestling and judo; i’m not disputing that at all. i just believe that trips have always been a part of wrestling’s arsenal. after all, there is a limited amount of ways to skin a cat. to bring judo in as an answer to explain what hendo did saturday night simply isn’t needed. (now, if his o-uchi looked anything like werdum’s, with the kuzushi, tsukuri, and kake; bring judo in all day long)

by dr. ransom on Mar 8, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess you missed the part

where I said I was discussing this in judo terms because the terminology was handy for Dan and I.
I invited wrestlers to share the wrestling terminology.
Instead you nitpicked but didn’t contribute any terminology.
Can you use wrestling terminology to describe the moves just as efficiently as Dan did in Judo terms?
If so, please share.

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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 8, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

easy, mr. nate

if you want to bring judo terms into it—fine. it wasn’t an issue of terminology, it was one of methodology. what i actually took issue with are statements that you edited out which i alluded to in my original post. now i have no issue. done, thank you, and you’re welcome.

by dr. ransom on Mar 8, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

thanks

sorry I got frustrated.
I want your knowledge, not your criticism.
Would love to have someone discuss what Henderson did in wrestling terminology.
My bad in the original piece was trying to say that both arts teach many of these techniques plus it’s common for wrestling coaches to bring in judokas to drill their teams on trips and throws. Someone like Henderson I have zero doubt has incorporated lots of judo into his wrestling training over the years given the length and breadth of his training both in wrestling and MMA.
All I was really trying to say was he didn’t get the trips from Greco.

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by Nate Wilcox on Mar 9, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

not a problem

sorry if i sounded like a negative nancy. i didn’t mean to.

by dr. ransom on Mar 10, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Another excellent Judo Chop, thanks!

And on the topic, someone who seems to have solid trips and always seems to get the trip takedown when he wants (or needs) it, is Forrest Griffin.

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by SteveevaD on Mar 8, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions  

Roger Bowling's ouchi gari

He has a nice one at the beginning of round 2. @ about 5:38.

He seems to test it first & then hit it the 2nd time once the distance is closed, in the clinch against the cage.

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by tigerlee on Mar 9, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Actually

Bowling is using the outside trip, the leg cover that Hawn and Hendo both countered with inside trips or sweeps.

The outside trip is generally effective, but it is easily countered if you don’t set it up right or execute it at the right time. In Judo, this outside trip is called Ko Soto Gari or Ko Soto Gake.

But this is a nice find anyway. It ties into the article just the same.

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by judonerd on Mar 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the clarification

i’m a judo noob :)

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by tigerlee on Mar 9, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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