Fedor Emelianenko Training In Holland With K-1 Legend Ernesto Hoost
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 30, 2011 8:43 AM EDT
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Fedor Emelianenko, is coming off back-to-back losses for the first time in his career against Fabricio Werdum and Antonio Silva. The long time top-heavyweight has received some criticism for staying too close to his comfort zone by refusing to train in other places aside from his home country of Russia. Former bantamweight kingpin, Miguel Torres, was in the same situation before, as he felt like the sport was passing him while he got too comfortable at the top. He summed up Fedor's situation:
"(Fedor Emelianenko) is at a crossroads in his life ...He needs to adjust to the times and start working on being a cerebral fighter (again) and not a showman. He needs to play catch-up in a world he used to dominate. That stings really bad, but you man up or get left behind."
"I say yes, (he needs to leave Russia). Russia will always be his home, but he lacks growth. Sometimes loyalty can hold you back."
With those losses behind him, Fedor is now preparing for an upcoming bout sometime this summer, and has decided to head out of Stary Oskol and train abroad for the first time since 2005. He is now in Holland for a two-week training camp, and is currently sharpening his stand up game with a fellow legend, in the four-time K-1 champion, Ernesto Hoost.
A tiny side note though -- Shortly after losing to Antonio Silva, Fedor had planned to compete in a sambo tournament, but the athletic commission did not allow him to do so as he had a 90-day medical suspension from the fight. As M-1 Global confirmed the news to Bloody Elbow, they made sure to add this note:
Please know that Fedor is abiding by his NJSAC suspension until May 12th banning him from head strikes.
Now that we got that tiny caveat out of the way, check out photos and watch footage of Fedor training with "Mr. Perfect" after the jump.
(original video from MixFight.ru, youtube rip via cagepotato)
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I heard Bas say that he brought in Hoost for his fight with Silva.
Maybe going to Holland will be better than having Hoost come to him.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 29, 2011 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I still say he needs to start weight training and bulking up if he wants to be competitive against today’s super heavyweights.
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He’s about the same size as Cain Velasquez.
Just sayin’.
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by Brian Mayes on Mar 30, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he's not.
Cain Velasquez: 245 lb (111 kg)
Fedor Emelianenko: 229lbs (105kg)
You’re wrong. Just sayin’.
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cut down would be better than bulk up
IMO… but goodluck trying to convince them.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 30, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
There was a press release a while back
where Fedor said he would cut to 205 for a fight with Hendo. Definitely his best option.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Did he really say that?
shit I must have missed it… He should drop to 205 and start fighting against guys his size… (but to be honest, he’d still be a bit undersized, but it’s an improvement nonetheless)
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 30, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
It’s time. You can’t get away with having jiggly fat around your midsection in MMA anymore. He’s no longer way more athletic or skilled than everyone else, and when those things are equal, size is the difference maker.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
interesting...
do you have a link? I wish he would do it for his next fight. Maybe take on Hendo in a SF title bout.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 30, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I do!
From a pretty obscure MMA blog, but I think it’s probably legit.
Sources close to the Russian say he is giving serious consideration to the prospect of fighting newly crowned Dan Henderson at 205 pounds.
The prospect of the fight was put to him by Strikeforce before the weekend’s Henderson/Feijao showdown.
Negotiations are underway and – if past experience is anything to go by – are likely to go on for some time. But the fight is of interest to all parties and is likely to happen later this year.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying it's a fact.
I’m saying that Fedor & his management are at least open to the idea.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm.
Scott Coker: There have been “preliminary discussions only” for Hendo vs. Fedor. Wouldn’t be in June/July when Hendo wants to fight next.
and now:
I’m going to fight this summer. I still don’t know who will be my opponent, but it’s something currently in works.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 30, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i still say he needs to train some BJJ.
it would be cool if he trained with Gonzaga up in Massachusetts.
by Victor Rodriguez on Mar 30, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand why he’s training with Ernesto Hoost. Fedor’s striking hasn’t been the issue in his last several fights, it has been his defensive grappling.
In the clearing stands a boxer And a fighter by his trade And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that layed him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame "I am leaving, I am leaving" But the fighter still remains
In his last several fights, Fedor’s stopped setting up his strikes and has resorted to throwing nothing but bombs. Against a technical enough striker like Bigfoot it caught up with him. Remember, Fedor had a lot of time on the feet in that fight but didn’t land much.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Mar 30, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That's true
Since the Arlovski fight all he’s been doing in his standup is throwing those looping haymakers. He was getting tooled in the striking exchanges in both the Rogers and Arlovski fights (before the KO punches landed) and also in the Bigfoot fight so yes, I think it would help him to finetune his standup game against someone like Hoost. In my opinion though, two weeks is too short a span of time to get any significant work done but hey, it’s a start. The important thing is he’s starting to go out there to train with the big boys. Our little Fedor, finally starting to grow up. sniff
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Don't try and change history.
Fedor wasn’t getting “tooled in the striking exchanges in both the Rogers and Arlovski fights”. Rogers landed one good punch standing (the jab that busted up Fedor’s nose). Against Arlovski, he wasn’t landing anything substantial until the knockout, but he also didn’t take any significant shots. The best shot Andrei landed was the front kick preceding his flying knee/ faceplant.
He just needs to straighten out his punches a bit. Fedor’s become a tad too wild, and has fallen in love with his power a bit too much. He has the power, just needs to tighten things up and fight smarter. And fight in a weight class which he isn’t severely undersized.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Partial Revisionist History Going on Here?
Fedor clearly was losing the first round in both those fights especially in striking against Arlovski. In the Arlovski fight he was being peppered for 3 minutes and couldn’t take him down. He kept winging and missing constantly with the over hand right until Arvolski did him a favor and jumped into it.
In the Bret Rogers fight, yea the jab is the only effective damage on the feet but the ground and pound Rogers gave Fedor on the ground and the grinding against the cage is what put Fedor in big time trouble.
But hey it’s why people love Fedor, he comes back with a crazy miracle win. In these two fights it was the well time’d right hands that gave him Fedor a way out.. But that only works so many times, and the stirking needs to be fine tuned and more polished for sure. With better training and some displine he then can setup that haymaker right hand.
by KillerInstinct on Mar 30, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a slo-mo video of the Arlovski fight around
If you get a chance to see it, do so. It shows Fedor slipped most of Arlovski’s punches.
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gave Fedor the first round. IIRC, he rocked Rogers with punches at some point in the 1’st round. I know he earned round 1 on my scorecard. The jab and the flurry of ground strikes were the only significant offense Rogers was able to mount the entire fight.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not Ernesto in
That’s not Ernesto in the video that’s Jerrel Venetian and Remy… Ernesto maybe off to the side coaching… but Fedor is sparring with Jerrel it appears
I really feel for Fedor...
When the tournament came on I was so hoping for Fedor to make a huge comeback from his “surprise” loss to Werdum. I wanted him to do extremely well, potentially win it… then be a force at HW so that he would be valuable to UFC and eventually come over. But I had much doubt due to his lack of great fights in recent years, the fact he had a little trouble against Rogers… etc. In the end it wasn’t that surprising that he lost to Bigfoot, just surprising how easy it was for Bigfoot. Maybe Bigfoot is severely underrated and would give the top HWs in UFC a good fight. We will see what happens for him and Overeem. I remain super excited about these two guys’ prospects when they head over to UFC…
Go Fedor! Get a whole bunch of new training in, and bring it to the UFC :)
We’ll never see Fedor in the UFC.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 30, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're probably right, and more's the pity...
Although if he doesn’t get back to form, he won’t be much value in the UFC anyhow :/
nah
i agree we most likely won’t see him in the Octagon. even so, i’m pretty sure a LOT of people would put down some thick money to see him fight, even with his recent defeats. he’s still valuable to the UFC, just not as much as he would have been 3-4 years ago.
by Victor Rodriguez on Mar 30, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude needs to get some contemporary world class BJJ players in there. He needs help on the ground and needs to start training with large framed, high level grapplers- going to Hoost certainly can’t hurt, if for no other reason that it signifies a willingness to change things up. No matter how much longer that Fedor’s in the game, changing up an entrenched approach can only help him.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 30, 2011 1:22 AM EDT reply actions
Training with Ernesto could work out for Fedor but just two weeks is definitly too short a time to effectively change his game.
The groundtraining Fedor is going to have in Holland will not be up to par with anything he can get in either Brazil or the US. Dutch bjj isnt on that level, yet, and Dutch wrestling is in a bad state: hardly the perfect training camp.
by basvanderwolk on Mar 30, 2011 3:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
YES
thats exactly what he should do. Thiago Alves had problems making weight before Mike Dolce helped him out, and Alves looked better than ever against John Howard. Rampage is allowing himself to gain 40-50 pounds in between fights and Dolce gets him down to 205 again. I still think that Bones Jones would beat him if he moved to LHW, but I dont see any other fighters at LHW beating Fedor if he were to make the cut, so its the best decision he could make imo
by Håvard Ekestad on Mar 30, 2011 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor needs to quit while he still has his sanity intact.
I love Fedor as much as the next fan, however, I pray Fedor’s fighting career doesn’t end up like Roy Jones Jr’s. Establishing himself as an ATG, but doesn’t know when to say when. The man is rich, he’s healthy, what else does he have to prove in the sport?
Now he’s switching striking trainers. Com’on, smells like a Ricky Hatton mistake here — kinda’ late for that. Fedor is definitely at the end of his rope. If his plan is to give it one more go; fine. His next loss should be the icing on the cake.
I despise seeing broken fighters giving it one more shot after the fat lady has sung.
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by spectaa on Mar 30, 2011 4:57 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I disagree strongly
The reason he’s now losing is definitely because of being undersized and being less able to rely on his supernatural timing and physical gifts as he ages, but that doesn’t change the fact that an over reliance on the sambo casting punch is catching up with him.
That punch is just stupid against a strong technical boxer, straight punches beat looping punches any day of the week, it’s the one problem I always had with the chute boxe style of striking and although I’d never compar Kos’ striking to Fedor;s – KosVs.GSP is a good example of why the most basic and simple straight striking can be deadly.
Lidell used to use his chin to bait ppl into retarded exchanges where he could land that bomb. Fedor used to use his freakish speed and timing to plant the casting haymaker right as he slipped opponent’s own strikes. But that doesn’t mean he should continue the negative style, it just means he can’t rely on it anymore.
by Matty Euripides Castourkas on Mar 30, 2011 6:34 AM EDT reply actions
Not entirely true.
It’s all about styles; circular punches suit some fighters, linear punches suit others. A circular strike can defeat a linear strike, & vice- versa.
Fedor is definitely an inside fighter, and compact, circular strikes behoove such fighters. He doesn’t need to change his style, just clean up his technique, and do the following:
- Drop to 205. It’s time. This could be done easily by cleaning up his diet and improving his S&C program (he’s still stuck back in the stone ages, going for state cardio jogs, doing pullups/ situps/ pushups/ etc. Step your game up Fedor!
- Improve quality of instruction. Voronov has been good for Fedor, I don’t think he should leave him. But there are some seriously great wrestlers in Russia, and Fedor should be training with them.
- Improve quality of training partners. Whether this means periodically going over to Holland, bringing in the top Eurasian fighters to him, or a combo of the two, Fedor needs to be challenged more consistently in the gym.
Going to Holland and training with Hoost (who he has a longstanding relationship with) is a smart move. I would like to see him go over to Golden Glory and train with guys like Reem, Sergei, JOE, etc.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well,
errors magnified by the size discrepancy. Werdum’s a solid 240, Bigfoot a solid 270; Fedor is a doughy 230. He’s always had a LHW body.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The Werdum fight had nothing to do with size, his undoing was going to the ground when he opportunities to not do so, which he has shown in the past eg: Noguiera III.
With Silva he was doing fine in round 1, round 2 though he made the mistake of just throwing a wild right hand with no setup and got taken down.
Food goes in here
Well,
going to the ground wasn’t really Fedor’s problem. If he’d stayed patient and been more methodical, he could’ve landed some shots on Fabricio and tired him out. But instead, he want nuts and started throwing wild shots in a frenzy.
Also, when he had the opportunity to pull out of the triangle, he got blocked by the cage and sucked back in. Whether that was poor luck, or bad awareness of the cage, Fedor got sucked back into the submission, and Werdum (being the otherwordly grappler he is) finished without a problem.
Most of his problems have stemmed from being too wild, but the size factor has also played a significant part. Werdum’s length most certainly is indicative of a size advantage he had over Fedor.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions
When he dropped him and starting blasting with hammer fists he passed his right leg and left his arm inside, he could have easily stood back up and then rinsed and repeated. But yes Fedor is getting too wild for his own good.
Food goes in here
Yeah.
He basically fell right into Werdum’s triangle.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
270 was a conservative estimate. Pezao has a MASSIVE bone structure.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor’s training has become increasingly obsolete over the years partly due to necessity. His body cant handle a real training camp. He’s in holland now but I doubt he’ll be there for his fight camp. They dont even spar in Holland they actually fight and call it sparring. Fedor wont last.
Crocop tried reinventing himself and countless others have tried… unfortunately once you become obsolete you are obsolete. It’s like swimming downstream and then all of a sudden finding yourself trying to swim upstream. It’s an impossible task. His days of competing at the elite level is certainly over. He’s been losing to 2nd tier fighters. who can he compete with now?
I certainly
wouldn’t call Werdum or Bigfoot 2’nd rate fighters.
who can he compete with now?
Men his own size, with the right changes in his training & diet. I think he would be highly competitive with any SF light heavyweight. He would likely get dominated by Jones though.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
2nd tier… not 2nd rate.
They are certainly not top tier. They are in the second tier with Mir, Roy nelson, Big Nog, Kongo, Shuab, etc….
Fedor would get killed at 205. His one big advantage at HW was that the talent level is alot lower than it is at 205. He can compete with other guys on their way out like Randy.
Well,
BJJ isn’t the be all/ end all of grappling. He just needs to train with better partners, and expand his horizons beyond Sambo. Voronov can only teach him so much, I would love to see Fedor go over to Golden Glory and train with JOE.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs other escapes from mount besides buck and roll or giving up his back. He should have been trying to hip-escape, try to get half guard back etc. But lets not forget Silva is a legit BJJ blackbelt so size wasn’t the sole problem.
Food goes in here
Bigfoot
is a fantastic guard passer, and has lockdown positional control. The 50+ lbs of lean mass he has on Fedor only make that worse.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs more Russian wrasslers and less Kiril Sidelnikov
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Mar 30, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For real.
Also, guys like Sergei, Oleinik, Shlemenko, Arlovski, etc would all be great guys to bring in for sparring & training with.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
fun fact:
Only 1 non bjj fighter has ever won the adcc open weight medal, Mark Kerr. He also won every match in that bracket on points.
Bjj may not be the end all be all. However, almost all the best submission fighters are Bjj fighters.
If you wanna choke/break bones, Bjj is probably the best way to do it.
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by the-gentle-way on Mar 30, 2011 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's definitely a comprehensive system,
but no matter what style you train in, to be a good grappler, you need to be well versed in all positions and submissions.
Fedor obviously hasn’t been getting sufficient grappling training.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha.
That’s fair.
I don’t necessarily agree that LHW is that much more talented, though. There are some fine heavyweights out there, and I think a trim Fedor would still be a very scary man. That Bigfoot fight was the first beating he’s ever taken, it’s not like he’s punch drunk like Nog & Chuck.
I think he is right there with all the Strikeforce light heavies, and I think he could take alot of the UFC 205’ers as well (probably not Jones or Davis, but I would give Fedor a good chance against anyone else at 205).
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think he’d do nearly as well at LHW. Fedor’s style, and thus is success, has been predicated on speed (among other things; however, speed really stands out). At LHW he would be facing far more guys just about as speedy as he ever was, which is to say faster than he is now.
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by Rundownloser on Mar 30, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think
his game is dependant on a speed advantage. Prime Arlovski and Crocop (who has always had a LHW body) were both quick as greased lightning, and Fedor went toe to toe with them.
If anything, being leaner and not carrying around straight belly fat will make him faster. I don’t think Fedor will beat guys like Jon Jones, but guys like Hendo/ Mo/ Feijao/ Kyle in SF, and Forrest/ Franklin/ Rampage/ Shogun/ Machida/ Rogerio in the UFC if he ever works anything out with them, are within his abilities IMO.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think lumping Fedor in with Mir, Schaub and Nelson at this point in time is very premature. Fedor simply can't utilize his full skill set against larger heavyweights
Lets not forget the man is primarily a submission grappler, who has come to rely more on his striking in recent years due to the size disparity. His Judo/Sambo based grappling style is just ill suited for fighting much larger men. He can hit throws and trips quite easily against men his size, but when you’re dealing with someone who has a decent base and 50 lbs on you, those throws become very difficult to use.
LHW would be good for Fedor, and with the lack of depth in SF at 205, why couldn’t he rule the roost?
My sentiments exactly.
Hendo, Feijao, King Mo… all winnable fights for Fedor. They’d be tough, but he’s right in there.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
If Hendo threw his looping right...
and knocked Fedor out, I have a feeling I would feel probably the same way I did when Gonzaga almost killed Crocop.
Battle of the wild right hands!
Hendo/ Fedor is a personal dream matchup. Judo/ Sambo vs. Greco Roman. Systema style casting punching vs. western boxing.
RUSSIA VS. USA
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Did someone say Russia vs. USA?
I had to.
Does it make me a traitor if I’d be rooting for the Russian in the Fedor-Hendo fight?
None more gangster.
Tweeter!
If it does
then slap my ass and call me a Pinko!
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
if he loses his belly and cuts down to 205,
I think he can perform way better…
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 30, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
205 is a much, much more talented Division. His one big advantage was the enormous talent disparities at HW. He wouldnt have that at LHW. If he’s slowing down at HW he’s gonna be a tortoise at LHW.
Can he compete with Jobbers at LHW? sure.
Fedor is still quick as hell.
I wouldn’t say he’d be significantly slower than anyone; in fact, i’d say he’s as fast as anyone, quicker than most at 205. And HW isn’t as filled with scrubs as you’re suggesting. I can’t think of many LHW’s markedly better than a prime Nogueira, Crocop, Arlovski, et al.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt Fedor would look quick against the elite LHW’s, though. Guys like Jones, Evans, Machida and probably Davis would run laps around Fedor without him being able to react.
What makes you draw that conclusion? Speed has always been a big aspect of Fedor’s game, and while it isn’t hard to look quick compared to some of the bigger guys at HW, Fedor has always seemed significantly faster than his opponents.
The Fedor that mauled Timmeh and KO’d Rogers was moving with speed enough to match the LHWs you mentioned, and probably beat them.
Not saying he wouldn’t beat them, it is very possible. What I’m saying is what was a huge speed advantage at HW wouldn’t be such a huge advantage at LHW. Don’t get me wrong, he’d still be faster than the slower LHW’s like Forrest Griffin, but I doubt he’d have a speed advantage against Jones or Evans.
Hard to say with certainty how he’d be at LHW, though. We can speculate that he’d be pretty fast, but he’s also looked noticeably slower in recent fights at HW than he had displayed in the years before, so it’s very possible that he’s lost some of his legendary speed as he’s aged and that he’d only have about average speed at LHW.
It would be intriguing, with plenty of excellent matchups for him
It is tough to say how he’d fare, but I bet we’d see more of the ground game he’s been neglecting. Many of the guys he’s faced recently at heavyweight are just too big to throw or submit for someone his size. I actually laughed when he tried for a kimura on Bigfoot, it looked ridiculous.
At LHW though, he’d probably have the strength to throw his opponents around again. Most of the guys there are around the same size as the the “heayweights” he faced in Pride, and he was able to consistently outmuscle them in the clinch.
I’d be excited to see Fedor test himself against some of the new-school, experienced wrestlers currently competing at LHW, like Phil Davis and Jon Jones. I think Fedor’s bottom game would be a difficult thing for a guy like Davis to deal with, and a battle of throws between Fedor and Jones would just be an awesome thing to watch.
I don't think so.
Jones (who would probably finish Fedor, although he’d better not post his arms on him like he did against Vera & Shogun- Fedor’s armbar is far too reflexive and quick to risk that), Evans, and Davis would likely win top control centric fights over Fedor, but I think Fedor would be competitive against everyone else right now.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Tortoise ? What's that ?
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen.
I wish fedor would train with Greg Jackson or AKA
The thoughtbof the training and game planning he would get is scary man.
I’m telling you right now shogun will beat Jones, he might even take jones down and pound him out. There’s no way Jones can handle shoguns striking, rua will rush jones. Shogun is a warrior with razor sharp elbows and Gracie like jj. I’m telling you shogun dominates jones. -Danago
HW- HypeOrDie. LHW-Forrest Griffin MW- Mayhem WW- Rush
LW- The Carpenter FW- Jose Aldo BW- Mighty Mouse
by IvanTheTerrible on Mar 30, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
Too much of a language barrier. Plus, he is never going to change his team this late in the game.
IMO he just wants to have a win in SF and retire knowing full well the nightmare that awaits which Vadim will create trying to negotiate with Zuffa.
Way too far away
and as aforementioned- there’s a huge language barrier there. Fedor has a rapport with Hoost, that’s a good place for him to hone his striking; I just wish he would go train over at Golden Glory. I know M-1 has beef with GG, but they have the best training in Europe for sure, and Fedor would really benefit from training with guys like Sergei, Reem, JOE, etc.
I also think going to Japan would be smart. Training with guys like Okami & Akiyama would be great for his grappling & striking, and they’re just about the same size as Fedor.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 30, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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