Paul Daley Ready to Knock Out Nick Diaz on April 9th
by Nick Thomas on Mar 29, 2011 8:25 AM EDT
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"I think (our) stare down will be very interesting. But I think Nick (Diaz), he knows that this is the hardest fight for a long time. I truly believe that. And if he doesn't believe that, I think Cesar Gracie, his coach and trainer, and his teammates, (Gilbert) Melendez and (Jake) Shields, know this is his hardest fight for a long time. So, I think either way he's training his ass off just the same as I'm doing."
"Yeah I've always had a strong left and I've been developing it through training and conditioning. It just seems to be paying off for me really well. You know, it's my killer move, it's my go-to move."
"Most definitely. Diaz will come at me and take me down. Not because he wants to but because I believe Cesar Gracie will instruct him too. I think they know how good my standup is and when something so big is on the line, I think the sensible thing for Diaz is to do is try and take me down. (Josh) Koscheck said he was going to stand with me, didn't end up happening because of the risk of The Ultiamte Fighter show, and it's pretty much the same here, this is the welterweight title. So I think his management will tell him to try and take me down."
"I'm going to knock him out within 3 rounds. I think he's going to have difficulty clinching me, going to have difficulty taking me down, shooting from the outside. And he's going to have difficulty dealing with my power and speed, whether it be punches, or kicks or elbows or whatever."
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I know I'm a Daley fan, but I am a Nick fan too, and I think Daley's knocking him out
Diaz’s takedowns are not good enough, and learning how to properly shoot from the outside takes more than 2 months
Diaz will take him down at will
Daley like every British fighter ever will be taken down like a Christmas tree on January 15th
by Hashmo on Mar 28, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
lmao ignorant.
You just saw what happened to Hardy, someone who’s never had takedown defence. Daley’s td defence is better
by theworldismine on Mar 28, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Daley didn’t come close to defending a single one of Koschecks takedowns. You will see the Daley make his case against Hardy for who earns the coveted nickname “the Turtle”
by Hashmo on Mar 28, 2011 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Diaz isn't anywhere near the wrestler Koscheck is.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz is not even remotely comparable to Kos in terms of takedown ability.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 28, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever watched Nick Diaz fight?
When was the last time he even attempted a double leg? He’s basically a boxer now. A boxer with good subs.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, he's tried double legs
but they were embarassingly awful. If Diaz learned how to wrestle like a taller man (work from the clinch & use snatch singles, duck unders, knee taps, head & arms, etc), he might have some success.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Koscheck is an extremely talented wrestler, especially compared to Nick Diaz
by theworldismine on Mar 28, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The dude
is a 4- time D1 All American, and 2001 NCAA champ at 174, and takes down everyone he decides he wants to.
Diaz’ wrestling is pitiful. His build (lanky & geared towards endurance) isn’t exactly optimal for wrestling, and I don’t know whether he just doesn’t train wrestling seriously, or just has no aptitude for it, but everything about his takedowns and takedown defense is mediocre.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The dude is a 4- time D1 All American, and 2001 NCAA champ at 174, and takes down everyone he decides he wants to.
Well, except GSP. But yeah, your point still stands.
He did take GSP down. In my opinion it was a mistake on his part to no pursue the takedown more, since he was clearly outclassed in the striking department. Wrestling was much more even.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In their first fight, Koscheck took GSP down one time over 4 tries, and it was a pretty much meaningless takedown as it happened at the very end of a round.
I’m not saying GSP can’t be taken down, or that Koscheck can’t take down GSP, I’m only saying that he can’t do it everytime he decides he wants to do it.
To get back to Daley/Diaz, I’m hoping that Diaz is able to clinch at the some point and drag it down to the floor, that’s just about the only way he can take it down because I don’t think he’ll be shooting for a takedown and I also don’t think he’ll be able to stun Daley with his boxing. It’s an interesting title fight that could pretty much only happen in Strikeforce, where they match guys with gaping holes in their game in the hopes that a finish happens.
Okay, that makes sense. I was referring to the second fight btw.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Koscheck may have planned on taking GSP down more often in their second fight, but that plan went out the window when GSP broke his face in the 2nd round… ;)
Yeah, I know. I’m not sure if his plan was to just swing for the fences and hope for a knock-out, or if that’s just what it was reduced to after facebreaking. I think he could have won if he had turned it into a pure wrestling match instead. Or as I said, at least had a better chance.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s just no chance that Koscheck could’ve won a wrestling match with GSP. No matter what their pedigrees say, GSP is just on another level for MMA wrestling.
Kos would likely win a pure, points-based wrestling match, but GSP would win an MMA fight on the ground. I always try to watch some of the little things GSP does so well – it really is what sets him apart.
He is completely seemless in integrating his striking (with excellent use of feints) into his takedowns and his guard passing. Imo only Jones rivals (and perhaps exceeds) GSP in terms of MMA wrestling, although Cain is outstanding in his own way as well.
I honestly can’t see anyone beating any of those 3 (aside from a Serra moment) for a long time, so long as they continue to fight to their strengths and improve their games.
Shields has a chance mid-scramble, in the unlikely event it ends up in one at any point, otherwise no.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 29, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I respectfully disagree. I sincerely think Kos would give GSP a run for his money in a wrestling match. If you took away the strikes and whatnot and just forced them to try to take eachother down and control, I could see Kos winning. GSP is obviously the overall better MMA wrestler because that’s become his bread and butter, but who knows how Kos could have turned out by now if he hadn’t fallen so in love with his sloppy kickboxing.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I was talking about a wrestling match within a MMA fight, of course. If that happened, I believe it would be closer but that GSP would ultimately win. I believe GSP is too good of a MMA wrestler, and just too strong for Koscheck, to get dominated on the floor by him.
Yeah, okay. Agreed, it would be close, they’re both very good.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No
In their first fight, Koscheck took GSP down one time over 4 tries, and it was a pretty much meaningless takedown as it happened at the very end of a round.
Perhaps you are thinking of the second fight. In the first fight, Kos took GSP down around the 1:32 mark and kept him down despite repeated escape attempts while throwing GnP and won the round (the last one GSP has lost iirc).
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by The American Ronin on Mar 29, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right, my bad. By the way, do you know how long Koscheck was actually able to keep GSP down in that first fight? And you say Koscheck was “throwing GnP” in that first round, but according to Fight Metric, Koscheck only landed 6 total strikes in that first round, of which only 1 was significant. Not very effective GnP… As a comparison, GSP landed 19 strikes in that first round, 2 being significant. They also both landed 1 takedown, GSP doing one guard pass. By the numbers alone, it’s hard to understand why two of the judges gave Koscheck that first round, really.
GSP caught a kick and took Kos down at about 4:32 and kept him down for about 2:40. Kos landed some shots from his back and GSP landed some from the top, mostly Kos controlled his hands/wrists/arms and both worked to improve position.
Frankly I have no idea what they are calling a guard pass in R1. Although Kos frequently turned on his left side with GSP’s upper body pulled with him, GSP never got his left leg free except during the scramble at the very end as Kos got up.
Then they clinched before Kos transitioned a single into a beautifully executed (GSP-esque) double at 1:32. He immediately went into a sort of standing mount, with GSP having one knee on his inner thigh before regaining half guard. A bit later he again transitioned to a sort of standing mount, with the upper part of GSP’s knee in his groin. GSP regained guard within probably 15 seconds.
Funny thing is, GSP grabbed and held the cage trying to stop the takedown, and then blatantly grabbed the cage and pulled to lift or reposition himself 3 more times during the round.
Fightmetric’s strike count you cite is way off imo, for both guys.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 29, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Its hard to find, I rewatched it twice since this thread started. I have a link from a china site, if you email me (on my profile page) I’ll give it to you, but I won’t post it.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 29, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He did take GSP down. In my opinion it was a mistake on his part to no pursue the takedown more, since he was clearly outclassed in the striking department.
I think it was a result of the loss of vision and the accompanying loss of depth perception. When he tried to shoot later in the fight he missed completely, literally by feet at times.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 29, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good point, I know the orbital bone breaking seemed to affect Kos a lot, but I didn’t take into account the loss of depth perception like you mention.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
It was depth perception, but it was also a function of him being tired from getting beat up, GSP’s established range, and footwork. All those things added up to Kos missing takedowns by a wide margin.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 29, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't mean he could take him down at will
What I mean is that he wanted to take GSP down, and he did it. Despite being stuffed on a few tries, he did get the takedown. Same with every other fight he decides to take the guy down in. If Koscheck wants a takedown, he will eventually get it.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 29, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever seen Diaz' wrestling?
It’s pitiful. He has no concept of how to wrestle effectively as a taller man. And Daley actually has pretty decent takedown defense. He totally stuffed Kampmann’s takedowns, made Koscheck & Shields work hard for theirs, and has shown improved defense & ability to stand from his back. Semtex also has some pretty nasty GnP from the top, and the addition of elbows only makes that more dangerous.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
stereotype fail…
Daley has a good sprawl, and diaz has never relied on his takedowns to finish the fight. Diaz beat Cyborg after Cyborg made the idiot move in going for a takedown himself. Diaz was getting lit up with leg kicks until that point. Daley will not make the same mistake.
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Not only do I not think he has the tools to easily put Daley on the mat, I don’t even really think he’ll want to go there.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He did try for a few takedowns against Noons though, just that they weren’t succesful.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Daley does have some seriously heavy hands. I’m hoping Diaz is foolish enough to try and prove a point with his standup, but he won’t. Still give Daley a solid chance here to tko Diaz.
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by Jeremy Couturier on Mar 28, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
You think Daley is bad against wrestlers......
He’s worse against Jui Jitsu playas. Im not sayin Nick couldnt stand with Daley (DIAZ HATERS ASSEMBLE!!!!!), but Diaz would derive more please winning this fight the Ceaser Gracie way. Easy win Diaz, Daley continues wandering the land pretending he doesnt have massive holes in his game.
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Actually
Daley just does bad against guys with good takedowns. Koscheck, Thompson, Shields, Azeredo, Kitaoka, and Healy are all top control grapplers with strong takedowns.
Diaz does not fit this mold. If anything, Nick’s best chance is to jab a ton, and then shoot for takedowns & pull guard if/ when he gets stuffed. His chances of winning increase significantly if he can keep Daley outside of his reach, and on the ground. Diaz is very good from his back, and could probably submit or sweep Semtex if he tried.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You really like guard pulls, don’t you?
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
When it makes sense for a fighter,
yes. Of course I advocate pulling guard when you want the fight on the ground, but don’t have the wrestling to put the opponent on their back consistently.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
BJJ players like Dustin Hazlett?
This is a bizarre statement. Daley absolutely has holes in his game, but traditional top control wrestlers are the guys best suited to exploit those holes. And please don’t give me Jake Shields, his Jits game is completely different from Nick’s. I don’t know how this fight will go, but if people think that Nick is just going to shoot for takedown after takedown like Kos did, they have never watched him fight. These guys will stand and they will trade. The only question is whether Diaz can out work Paul and keep him at bay long enough (while not getting tagged by that hook).
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Exchanging with Daley is a losing proposition
Like you said- if Diaz can put up enough volume and avoid enough shots to wear Paul down, then he can take charge. Nick Thompson had alot of success with just jabbing endlessly until he shot in for takedowns. Diaz doesn’t have the takedowns that Thompson has, but if he can get in close, he can at least try for the takedown, and run Paul into the fence & work from there or pull guard.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see Nick winning essentially a standup battle
by piling up the punches and essentially eating a couple of hard shots from Daley. As much as I love Semtex, he is a little bit of a front-runner, and he doesn’t have much of a Plan B when he fails to overwhelm guys with his power. I’m really interested to see how it plays out.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really buy the frontrunner comment.
I do think that Diaz could outstrike Daley if he stays smart and really uses his length, just jabs all night long. But Cyborg was kicking the fuck out of Nick’s legs, and Daley has good kicks himself. Diaz’ chin is sturdy, but he’s also been tagged repeatedly by guys like Jeremy Jackson, Gomi, Zaromskis, & Cyborg; and Semtex is better than all of them. He hits harder, has crisper technique, better defense, has more offensive weapons, and is faster than any striker Diaz has fought.
If Nick is smart, he either stays all the way outside with jabs, or on the inside working for takedowns/ pulling guard. Lingering in that inbetween area will get him KTFO.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude I hope you are right and I am wrong
I like watching Semtex more than just about any other fighter (JDS is up there too). I just think this is a tough bout for him. I’d like to see Daley have his version of the JDS-Nelson fight, where he realizes his opponent isn’t going to sleep, and transitions into a more measured, controlling boxing game.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It is definitely a tough fight
for both men.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I think we will learn a lot about Daley’s maturity and progression in this fight – if he fights reasonably smart, it is his fight to lose.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 29, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
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This is gonna be an intense stare down……… etc etc..
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Daley for the win.
People that think Diaz is a good striker are on some serious good shit. Daley will KO him so fast if he tries to strike with him. This fight aint hitting the ground unless Daley punches Diaz and he falls, then Daley goes for ground and pound. The only Diaz wins is by sub, the only way he gets a sub is if Daley floors Diaz and he jumps in his guard. I dont see it but some strikers get so eager to finish the fight that they jump right into a BJJ blackbelts guard. Daley best bet is every time he knocks Diaz to the floor he falls back forcing him to get up.
Diaz by TKO round 2.
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Wut?
Daley for the win.
Diaz by TKO round 2.
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Daley by TKO round 2
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I’m actually going with Daley to win this as well. Diaz has fought some heavy hitters, but Daley’s left hook and uppercuts can KO any Welterweight. Also, in the standup, I always felt that Daley was pretty good defensively as I don’t really see him getting tagged clean many times. Diaz, on the other hand, uses his offense as his defense and has gotten hit clean in most of his fights, but he has a very good chin.
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by chrisbboy82 on Mar 29, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
cant seem to forget
the pre fight interview from Diaz-Lawler where Diaz says “He thinks hes alot better than he is” Nick is a cerebral fighter, he should be able to solve that puzzle.
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If Daley wins
It makes Shields look good, having wins over the current StrikeForce Welterweight and Light Heavyweight champions.
If he loses, thats good too, because I hate him.
I can’t imagine Diaz is just going to try and stand and eat Daley’s best shots. Diaz’s weird style of standup has bested many before.
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by MrTechnique420 on Mar 28, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz will win.. I think a lot of you will be surprised when he outstrikes Daley with jabs and body shots
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by AndersonSativa on Mar 29, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Possible
but not very probable IMO.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 29, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I really wish I could still find the video
of Daley KOing a training partner with a hook to the body during practice…with full boxing gloves on. It was Roy Jones-esque. I don’t know a lot of things about this fight, but I do know Nick doesn’t want to stand in and trade body punches. Working a stiff jab would be smart though.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 29, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely.
Thompson had alot of success with the jab against Daley. Not only is he shorter, but he also mainly uses circular punches (hooks, uppercuts, overhands), which take longer and need to be closer to land well. Semtex of course still landed numerous power shots, but the jab was key in keeping Thompson alive, and opening up his takedowns.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
im guessing some of you havent seen the nick thompson fight
thompson jabbed daley repeatedly over 3 rounds using a longer reach. i believe diaz/daley have similar length arms but i wouldnt be shocked if diaz could outbox him like this.
i do believe daley has an edge standing but dont count nick out.
This is whats going to happen
Daley will come out banging, Diaz will pepper him with punches until Daley realizes his stand up game is nowhere near as complete as Nick Diaz, then Nick will arm bar him.
The End.
and to add
people detest Nick Diaz, but his style is awesome, he never backs away from a fight even if he has to fight his opponents strengths, his boxing style slowly crumbles his opponents his only weakness is his tdd unfortunately but come fight night I do believe 100% Diaz will demolish Daley
Daley realizes
HIS standup game isn’t as complete as Diaz’? You’re batshit crazy if you think Diaz (a swarming, volume boxer) is a more complete striker than Daley (a Muay Thai stylist with great punches, kicks, knees & elbows).
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This
People love to hate on Daley, but this new line of criticizing his striking is truly bizarre. He’s the best power puncher in the division. Period. And he’s probably a top 2-3 WW striker. He doesn’t just stand and wang punches, Daley puts together beautiful combos, has nice footwork, mixes in kicks, knees and elbows well, and has great timing.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say
that as far as pure striking goes, he and Alves are neck and neck, and could make a good case for #1. GSP at 3’rd, and guys like Kampmann trailing behind.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 29, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm actually wondering
how is daley favored by you guys. I think Diaz can set up enough piter patter shots to take him down and submit him. I think Nicks boxing, reach and chin is good enough to handle himself on the feet and keep it going long enough for a 2nd or 3rd round sub.
by Joshro on Mar 28, 2011 10:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Because Paul KOs an absurd percentage of the guys he fights
and because Nick has a weird, macho penchant for standing and trading with stand-up strikers.
I actually like both guys, and give a mild edge to Diaz for the win. What I think is ignorant is the idea that Diaz is so very much better than Daley. This is a close fight. Both men are extremely dangerous. This is a tossup.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like both guys, and give a mild edge to Diaz for the win. What I think is ignorant is the idea that Diaz is so very much better than Daley. This is a close fight. Both men are extremely dangerous. This is a tossup.
This about sums it up for me. Both are very good and dangerous, but if I had to pick one I’ll go with Diaz. His jitz and incredible chin are the X factors. Pure stand-up battle I think Daley wins, but I could see Diaz frustrating him with straight punches and better reach as well.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 29, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Diaz' takedowns
have ever indicated that you can count on him to be able to take anyone down, ever?
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not a great proof
but against shamrock and at strikeforce miami (im not gonna even attemp to spell his name) nick got major takedowns
by Joshro on Mar 28, 2011 11:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it's safe to say
that Daley has better takedowns than a gassed (and old Shamrock) and a gassed Zaromskis.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Snowden oughta love this fight
I give a 0% chance of bro-hugging.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
To be fair
EVERYONE oughta love this fight. It has all the makings of an epic, shittastic, knockout/ dragout, dog fight WAR.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I wrote a fanpost about how much I wanted this fight
a couple days after Daley got cut by the UFC. At the time I think I said that I would be more excited about it than literally any other possible matchup in the MMA WW division. That still holds for me. So pumped.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
its strange that people still underrate Nick's stand-up
especially after his last two fights.
by PhatHead Phil on Mar 28, 2011 11:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nobody is underrating his stand-up
They are just correctly noting that the guy he’s fighting has arguably the best stand-up in the division.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think
a puffed up KJ Noons, and journeyman Cyborg Santos compare to Paul Daley as a striker?
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So we've diagonosed the problem.
That’s a start.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
I don’t know what to say, other than NO. They are not as good as Paul Daley.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this is another case of the Robbie Lawlers
Diaz crushed Lawler when he was being pushed by Dana white as the next chuck lidell with his ‘striking’, I highly doubt this will be any different
except i’m hoping to see an Arm bar
If you honestly
can’t tell the difference between Lawler and Daley as strikers, then this is a lost cause (which I suspect already)
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The Lawler Diaz faced is not on Daley's level
I know Daley hate is in vogue, but his striking is otherworldly. He isn’t just a power puncher. He’s a great all-around kickboxer who has better hand-speed, MUCH more punching power in both hands and EQUAL REACH to Diaz. He is an absolute nightmare standing, and can end the fight against any WW on earth, at any time, as long as he’s on his feet.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
The equal reach is more due to Daley’s very broad shoulders. Arm length is more significant than wingspan when considering reach IMO
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 28, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Daley is the closest to Mike Tyson that we have in MMA today.
The dude moves forward, slips punches, bullies you, then fucking crushes you with technical power punches. Overeem might be the only competition to the title.
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by pdl on Mar 29, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I hesitate to put him in the same sentence with Iron Mike
but they are similar stylistically. From the compact, powerful frame to the mean streak, to the great power in both hands he has a lot of the same hallmarks. And like Tyson, Daley is a boxer masquerading as a brawler. Both guys are known for brutal KOs, but build that destruction on a framework of really nice technique.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 29, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
I’d actually consider both Tyson & Daley to be classic in- fighters, but I get what you’re saying.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 29, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Tyson has better TDD than Paul Daley.
GOOD NIGHT IRENE!!!!
by TheClock on Mar 29, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To me the question is; just how bad is Daley’s TDD really? Nick’s takedowns aren’t great…but if he could get the fight to the ground, I don’t see him having any trouble subbing Daley. And I have to imagine cesar gracie wants him to get the fight to the ground. If the fight stays standing, then Daley’s called the result right here. He’s better in the striking department than Nick is.
I don't think Diaz will
be able to muscle an outright takedown against the fence, but he might be able to drag it to the floor. Also, if Diaz can establish his jab, then when Paul comes in swinging, he could duck under and try for a leg attack; if he gets stuffed, then he can pull guard and have plenty of mat space to work.
Once the fight is on the ground, Nick has a much chance of succes, and lower risk for failure. IMO of course.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 29, 2011 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets get real here
Daley isn’t going to come out and say he is going to submit Nick. What do you want him to say? He will either TKO him or lose
by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Mar 29, 2011 1:03 AM EDT reply actions
Don't count nick out on the feet
He’s had the tendency of making strikers look bad, although daley is a very scary opponent for diaz, he’s gonna have to get the one punch ko on diaz within those 3 rounds, Nick seems to always fall in a good position after getting rocked. I dont see daley following him to the mat either. It’s gonna be a very interesting fight thats for sure.
Ha!
Wouldn’t surprise me too much…
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by The American Ronin on Mar 29, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
My most anticipated fight
Can’t wait. The fact that their chances are almost equal given their abilities makes this fight even more exciting.
I've got a feeling that Diaz has too much pride to not stand with Daley
The first 3 rounds are probably where Daley is his most dangerous. Considering how much weight he cuts and the fact that he’s only gone to 5 rounds once in his fight career, I can’t not see him gas in the latter stages of this fight.
I think Daley’s a superior MMA striker than KJ Noons and despite fading towards the end, KJ landed very well against Diaz. That fight was all about Diaz making a point to KJ. I feel he’ll try the same against Daley and could very easily pay for it.
I want Daley to win,
but I have a feeling that he will lose :(
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Mar 29, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I love Nick...
I channel his spirit when walking alone in the mean streets, or when I am out of town and un a rough looking pub/bar.
Toughness mixed with acute paranoia keeps you out of trouble…
Nick to win…
Macknight
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by macknight on Mar 29, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Pressure
Nick has shown time and again no-one can handle the pressure and pace he brings.Nick knows he’s gonna eat some shots he always does,sorry guys hard to land clean shots when you are back peddling and constantly defending punches.Diaz by cardio late 2nd or early 3rd.
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