Yushin Okami Vows to Beat Anderson Silva and Become UFC Champion
by Nick Thomas on Mar 25, 2011 8:16 AM EDT
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Middleweight Yushin Okami has racked up 10 wins in the UFC since joining the promotion in 2006. But Okami has not come anywhere near a title shot since pulling out of a UFC 90 bout with champion Anderson Silva that went to Patrick Cote. Currently the talk is focused on Anderson Silva facing UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre rather than Okami. Okami spoke to Cage Potato about the situation:
"I want to fight Anderson, beat him, and I believe I’ll become a new star in the UFC. I’m concentrating and training for that fight now."-- Check out the full interview at Cagepotato.com.
"(With Silva vs. GSP) there is the problem of weight…and GSP will go for the takedown. But the middleweight division is for the fighters who are there, and have been fighting there, so I don’t think there’s much point in that fight. Basically, I haven’t really thought about it because Anderson and I are top of the middleweight division, so it should be left to us."
"Anderson is the top of the middleweight division and I am coming for the belt. I promise you’ll see him fall and I’ll be the new champion. Thank you for your support!"
Yushin "Thunder" Okami (26-5) [Num. 3]
Win Nate Marquardt - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 122
Win Mark Munoz - Decision (Split) UFC Versus 2
Win Lucio Linhares - TKO (Doctor Stoppage) UFC FN 21
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While its true he would be an underdog, Okami has the skills and the ability to beat Anderson Silva. He’s an intelligent, thinking fighter that never strays far from his gameplan. Plus he’s asian.
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Good Point.
Anderson is agin. He’s gonna be 36 next month.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Mar 24, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
all my hope is put on okami now
I want to see anderson beat before his retirement.
you pretend as if Anderson is undefeated...
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by SheepleBuster on Mar 24, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Which he is..
as the UFC champion.
by sadface on Mar 24, 2011 10:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I forgot. UFC is the new MMA :)
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by SheepleBuster on Mar 24, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He has lost, but everyone that is around me talks about him like he is a god. I just want to be able to rub it in their faces once. The sonnen fight wasn’t enough, they just say “who won”. >_<
well...
he did win :D
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by SentientAndroid on Mar 25, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait...he's lost?!
Daaaaaaang!
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by Ryan Tical on Mar 24, 2011 11:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okami doesn't have nothing for Andy.
He doesn’t have the shot like Chael and he will get KO’d eventually.
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by doonerthesooner on Mar 25, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
We'll see.
Okami’s improved his striking, but Anderson has also improved his wrestling and grappling considerably. In the first fight, Anderson was round kicking the shit out of Okami’s legs, and stuffing almost every takedown.
When Okami finally got Ando on his back, the DQ kick happened. I think given both men’s current skillsets, Anderson takes it. Yushin could pull of the upset though, I put it at around 70/30.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
When did Silva get good at wrestling?
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That fight only lasted 2 minutes and was 5 years ago...
Neither guy is anything like they were during that fight.
Actually
I’d say they’re pretty similar. Okami has improved his striking, and Anderson has improved his grappling since then, but their strengths are still the same. And I still see Okami wanting the takedown, and Anderson wanting to strike.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Okami is faaar from Chael Sonnen
he got as wrestled raped like everyone else by Chael Sonnen
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 25, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
and he went on to train with Chael
That decision has vastly improved his wrestling.
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by sitnam90 on Mar 25, 2011 2:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like "being Asian" is something that helps him beat Silva?
Oh wait, I seem to remember an Asian guy beating Silva with a flying scissors combo.
He
will not.
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He will if Anderson fouls him again.
But I think Dana should give Okami yet another chance to choke his title shot. Just saying
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by SheepleBuster on Mar 24, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
according to him and his camp, the folks over at RotR were very disorganized, and didn’t thoroughly explain the rules to them. Since ICON sport (another Hawaii based org) and PRIDE at the time allowed kicks to the head of grounded opponents, I could see this being a legit excuse.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Seeing how well Chael did, I think Okami has a shot.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Time to put some meat in your pain sandwich.
by Ubernoober on Mar 24, 2011 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree to an extent
But Okami isn’t Chael.
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Yeah
I don’t think anyone else at 185 has a double leg like Sonnen. Okami definitely isn’t anywhere near the wrestler Chael is.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't he pull a Sonnen and just not take as many risks?
The only thing is it takes a particular type of dude to walk through the shots Sonnen does to get a takedown, not sure if Okami can do that.
But on paper I feel Okami has a real shot. It wouldn’t be all that thrilling to watch, though.
He’s also not as crazy as Sonnen. I don’t think hes going to be coming out guns blazing and charging Anderson Silva like Chael did.
Sonnen’s craziness was at his finest when he did that barrel roll in the first round. I became a Sonnen fan due to that move alone
by MemphisMike on Mar 24, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
if Okami can get on top consistently, he can probably win. His submission awareness and defense is much better than Chael’s, although his ground striking isn’t as damaging.
I don’t see Yushin finishing though.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
probably
he just doesn’t win any fights in the UFC.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
he won that belcher fight
by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Mar 24, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Gomi.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 24, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Neil Manich on Mar 24, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He will be will known if he beats Silva.
Japan needs him to bring home the MW Title like New Orleans needed The Saints to win the SuperBowl.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Mar 24, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a star in Japan
And frankly there has to be a point in time where you let things die or fade out. Japanese MMA is dying.
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by SSreporters on Mar 24, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's still a huge market.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 24, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about "huge"
definitely not in comparison to the US. Ratings just keep getting worse and worse in Japan.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It is compared to the Philippines
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by Neil Manich on Mar 24, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Touché
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Without reading the article, I believe that Yushin Okami has what it takes to beat Anderson Silva.
I think it would be a very interesting fight, & would pick Okami to win a decision.
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Without reading your post, I believe that youreally like sailboats and dancing erotically for the elderly.
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by timetraveltome on Mar 24, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
At the very least, Okami deserves the Title fight. Marquardt really isn’t a pushover, so beating him in my opinion shows that Okami is ready for the Title shot. However, with the possibility of GSP vs Anderson Silva, Okami might have to get a fight in there like against Bisping, Belfort, Maia or someone else.
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by chrisbboy82 on Mar 24, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we are all gonna feel awful silly about constantly bitching about Okami’s title shot once he gets clowned by Anderson.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 24, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Totally agree
Which means you’re wrong
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
Not really.
We want closure with that series. I think most people expect Anderson to win (as do I), but the fact remains that there’s this guy who’s 10-2 in the UFC, and has a win on his record over Silva.
Part of it is just that it’s been soooo long that Okami’s been in contention. Sure, he got injured before UFC 90, and got trounced by Sonnen, but there have been plenty of opportunities for Yushin to get his shot. He was definitely more deserving than Leites & Belfort.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you have to be Japanese to beat Anderson Silva.
Therefore, I’ll pick Okami.
by Rob Young on Mar 24, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nope. The Spanish Chael had an internal fight with the real chael
and the dumb Chael won. That’s why he got subbed like other fights he has been subbed :)
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by SheepleBuster on Mar 24, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Like Bruce Banner
And his multiple Hulk personalities?
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by Ryan Tical on Mar 24, 2011 10:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it odd that I read that as Bruce Buffer the first time around?
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Yushin barely beat a shook Nate Marquardt
Yushin is to slow for A.S it almost is a joke
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 25, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean by
“a shook Nate Marquardt”?
I honestly don’t know what that means.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Something similar to scared or nervous.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 25, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That's just ridiculous.
If he was nervous about anything, it was that Yushin was beating him. You can’t honestly try to hold that against Okami.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I definitely agree with you there.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 26, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate had been waiting for a chance to get another title shot
And when he finally got another number 1 contender fight he choked under the pressure. Did you not see how he froze up in the 3rd round?
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 25, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Okami can pull it off
It will be a boring fight, but I could see Okami getting the decision… if he avoids the front kick. hahaha
Are you, by chance,
Natman from the Sherdog forums?
I used to post there back in the day.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are all on delusional pills today
NO WAY Okami takes this belt from Silva! No fricken way
by MMA_Revolution on Mar 24, 2011 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
Anderson’s career losses
Loss Yushin Okami DQ (Illegal Upkick)
Loss Ryo Chonan Submission (Flying Scissor Heel Hook)
Loss Daiju Takase Submission (Triangle Choke)
Loss Luiz Azeredo Decision (Robbery)
Asians. The secret to beating Anderson Silva ;)
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Yikes!
Anderson’s kryptonite is the Japanese. Makes sense.
Okami has the tools to make a fight incredibly boring. Sucks for Dana.
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by Ryan Tical on Mar 24, 2011 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well Azeredo is Brazilian
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Notice what I wrote about that fight. Its been awhile but I remember that fight as a robbery.
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Loss is still a loss
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Interestingly enough
Garcia has never won a unanimous decision in his career. The only decision’s he has won are split verdicts.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Really, nice catch
I should have gone and looked at his records
You get a rec for correction
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Really though,
noone considers the split decision “wins” on Garcia’s record to be quality wins. Phan, Korean Zombie, and Massouh all should’ve won IMO.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
But according to Chris, a loss is a loss. You just can’t say something like that.
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If you want you can I don't try and dictate what others believe
I just don’t tend to look at it that way and was expressing that opinion.
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That is true but you can't take the wins away
at a certain point in history no one remembers the reason why they just remember the outcome.
I’m not saying they deserve the wins I just don’t think you can go back and say they didn’t. I just think it opens this whole other box of well he didn’t really win because this that and the other.
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
That’s the thing- records only tell a small portion of the story. Those who have a true love for history will always look for what REALLY happened. And given how so many modern MMA fights are recorded, those with a love of history will always have access to them.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Thank you Elliot.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Haha you act like you are making some grand point
I understand the difference in someone deserving a win and someone getting a win but I can’t say Silva has never been beaten by anyone but Japanese fighters when he has a loss next to his name against a Brazilian.
You remember it as a robbery but that doesn’t mean A that is was and B that it isn’t a loss. If you want to say I don’t think he has legit been beaten by anyone but Japanese fighters I’m cool with that, but me personally I can’t say he never lost to Azeredo.
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never seen the Azeredo fight
so I can’t really make a judgement.
You do know that the “Anderson’s weakness = Japanese fighters” meme is just a joke, right?
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously I understand it's a joke
I wasn’t the one that made a big deal out of it haha Andrew was
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was joking from the get-go but became serious when you pointed out that you don’t respect the history of the fights, just the records. :P
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole thing started
because I was simply poking fun at Andrew for listing Azeredo and saying he only lost to Japanese fighters
He went with it from there like I was an idiot or something haha
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Play nice, boys.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody called you an idiot or even implied that much. Quit being a drama queen. You were simply proven wrong. Move on.
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Haha are you seriously still taking this serious?
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW next time you see haha it means someone is laughing
I don’t LOL
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I need a LOL to understand your tone though :|
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I can't stand it never have been one to LOL or ROFL or LMFAO
It just makes me SMH to see such things on the Enet
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by Chris Hines on Mar 25, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Whats worse is when people start saying them in public. “EL-O-EL BECKY!”
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What a 360 of a conversation. Want to be fwiends wif me Cwis?
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by Chris Hines on Mar 25, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Better than hearing B - T - Dub
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by Chris Hines on Mar 25, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
I have a friend who will sometimes say “LOL” (Like Robbie Lawler) at strategic points… it’s actually pretty funny when done right.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I lol
and if I think it’s really funny I’ll LOL or haha, but yeah I’ve NEVER used ROFL or LMFAO.
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by SentientAndroid on Mar 25, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it worth a watch?
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand and I love MMA as much as the next guy so I get it
As much as it seems you want me to be defending this wins I am not, I know he should have lost and I hate that he won but he did get the win. So if I am going to talk about the fights I would say he has won 3 of his last 6 fights but all 3 were controversial.
I wouldn’t say he lost 5 of his last 6 fights with 1 draw or he lost all of his last 6 fights because that isn’t what happened.
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
umm....
He’s won two fights by UD…
Well, winning as far as Leonard Garcia does in his decisions, judge manipuating movements that make them think he’s beating the carp out of someone that is shoving their dicks in his mouth.
I don’t get it.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
that loss was no robbery
Azeredo took Anderson down and stayed on top of Anderson most of the fight, Anderson didn’t have much ground game back then. Anderson only had a couple of minutes of striking but couldn’t win the fight on that.
business as usual
Crazy Pills you mean
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Okami channeling a little bones here...
Use that law of attraction brah!
by ultima0chaotic on Mar 24, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
I hate Okami
He is so arrogant.
by PhatHead Phil on Mar 24, 2011 11:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Definitely arrogant.
Jon Jones is like a less version of arrogant Okami.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
No I agree with the first post
Jones is a lesser version of arrogant Okami. Okami is good but arrogant Okami is unstoppable.
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael and Franklin disagree.
But that was before Okami got arrogant I suppose.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
His arrogant powers hadn't come out yet
Since he beat Munoz his arrogance levels have risen to over 9000
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if serious.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
dead. serious.
(not really). But interesting to see people’s reactions. is this quote not arrogant?
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
It’s not really arrogant to say that you will win, especially not if you back it up.
The “LHW Champ 2011” thing Jones said bugged alot of people, but he backed up his talk with action. To me, it’s not really arrogant unless you’re really overstating your own abilities.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If Jones said
GSP stay out I want Silva, watch me crush him, I somehow think people would be pissed.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe for the "watch me crush him" but not for the "GSP stay out"
I mean who wouldn’t be mad that their title shot got jumped for someone in a different division who isn’t all that excited about it.
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~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want a title shot (relatively soon)
finish fights. just ask Jon Fitch.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Or really
just be exciting. Finishing fights is part of it, but look at Dan Hardy- that guy only finished 1 UFC opponent. But all his fights have been exciting, and that earned him a shot at GSP.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest Hardy didn't "earn" anything
The UFC needed a body while Kos and Daley figured out the next opponent if I remember correct.
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He was the best they had at the time.
Kos had been recently upset by Paulo Thiago, the Alves & Fitch beatings were still fresh in everyone’s memory.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Who else gets a title shot before him who is currently a MW?
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~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I would be, because I really want to see the GSP/ Silva fight, and I think Jon needs to defend his title and assert his dominance within his own division before asking for superfights.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Also no one looks back and retroactively says
well in hindsight that wasn’t arrogant after all.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I do,
at least in the context of fighting. I think part of it was that Jones is into the whole psychological thing where you say something is, and so it happens. Self fulfilling prophecy kind of thing.
Now, he would’ve looked very foolish if he hadn’t looked as impressive as he did. Based on that performance, everything he said pre- fight was true. He was too young & athletic, too creative, too good for 29 year old, bum knee Shogun Rua.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
my only problem
was nothing he said or did was too singular. pretty standard fight build up. there was this arrogance meme that found it’s way in an echo chamber. i really don’t think any fighter is arrogant — especially those with more W’s than L’s.
Still be interesting to see what the reaction would have been if this had come word for word from Jones.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of it
is that MMA fans love Shogun, and Jones was perceived as being disrespectful towards him.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
If it had been Carwin or Koscheck as his opponent, the Joneswagon would have gotten even bigger…
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"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 24, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So now that he proved it
I guess people will stop calling him that>
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow I doubt it. I have my suspicions of why Jones gets so much hate, but such things are looked on rather unfavorably around here, so…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 24, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
That he hadn't proved that he could beat elite opposition yet.
But he did, and so all is good with the world.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It is like our old Texas saying...
“It ain’t braggin’ if you can do it…”
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 24, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
but for months everyone screams
you’re just bragging!
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
He acquitted himself flawlessly, though.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Until the next time?
don’t think he’s going undefeated or is the next fedor or anything, who knows what the future holds. just of all the criticism he received that was the one thing he (and Rashad) got a raw deal on.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows man.
Maybe he’ll tear through everyone thrown in his way for years to come, maybe he’ll lose to Rashad.
All I know is that i’ll be the guy sitting back and enjoying the show.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at all. He says he will become champion, just like how every fighter says “I will win this fight by knockout/sub/whatever”. In no way was he arrogant nor disrespectful towards Silva. I think the ‘lost in translation’ bit should be noted as well.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
but andrew, that was unacceptable for Jones
but now it’s okay for Okami to say he will win that fight? I feel there are double standards here
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 25, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
not serious
I’m trolling.
I just find it funny that of Jones or Evans had said this there would already be like 150 comments.
by PhatHead Phil on Mar 24, 2011 11:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I almost wish Nick...
replaced “Yushin” with “Jones” just to see how many arrogant comments it would generate. then later correct say “oops I meant YUSHIN”.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 24, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
are you people serious???
did anyone see what happened the first time they fought? okami’s first 2-3 takedown attempts were almost insultingly bad (and got stuffed), silva dominated the fight standing and when okami finally got him down he did nothing
silva is light years better now with his striking, grappling, BJJ and overall game
please, please, please…okami will get DESTROYED this time
The point is, he got him down and who knows, he may have submitted Anderson if he wasn’t illegally upkicked. Writing off Okami like this is about as dumb as writing off Jones against Shogun.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
On a side not does anyone else believe that kick should be legal?
Both fighters are down at that point so if you can throw something I thing you should be able to. I don’t want foot stomps or soccer kicks but if you are both on the ground like that it just seems like a normal weapon to me.
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by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you here. Personally, I think it might balance the striking more on the ground. A fighter with top position has so many different strikes to choose from (from knees to the body to leveraged ground n pound) whereas the fighter on his back has a rather limited arsenal (in power as well).
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Yeah.
I think most MMA fans would like upkicks on the ground to be legal. That’s a good idea though, kicks to the head when both fighters are grounded.
However, as cool as knees to the head on the ground are, I just keep conjuring up the image of Hirota kneeing the fuck out of Kitaoka’s dome, and then Kitaoka projectile vomiting afterwards… probably better for the fighters health for those to be illegal.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well where is the fun if the fighters don't die? BLOOD!!!!
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOM another hit is landed!
BOOM another hit is landed! The stealth of a sniper, the strength of a viper, the training, the challenge, the ultimate fighter!
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Tell me that isn’t the actual lyrics to that song.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Oh,
but they ARE.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I need to re-evaluate why I'm a fan of this sport.
Fitch is awesome, I don't care what you think...
Bones Jones, future greatest MMAist ever.
you can kick and knee....
just not to the face of a downed opponent. Simple rule, and simple rules like that prevent the soccer kicks that asians and Rua need to be champions again.
Well
I doubt soccer kicks/ stomps/ knees to the head on the ground would’ve prevented Shogun from getting curb stomped by Jones. Realistically, it only could’ve made it worse.
I do think that kicks to the face when both men are grounded should be allowed, though. It would allow for upkicks from your back, as well as a defense against leglocks.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yushin Okami is horrible slow and stands in front of his opponents far to long
and he is an extremely slow starter and lack any kind of explosiveness in his TDs
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 25, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Okami:
Slow
No power in his hands/strikes
Not as good a wrestler as Chael, Hendo or Nate (all beaten by Silva)
Not great at subs
Claims he’s gonna beat Silva….
I’d respect him for just coming out and saying: “I’m gonna try and hold him down 5 rounds, maybe eek out a decision”.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he outwrestled
or at least broke even against Nate.
And Yushin definitely has power, he just hasn’t hit anyone FLUSH since really improving his hands. And he’s not as slow as you’re suggesting… I don’t know where you’re getting that from.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t mean he’s a better wrestler. Yushin has very average power, and if he can’t hit anyone flush — well good luck against Silva (or his striking isn’t good enough to allow such a thing happen).
Point being he’s not as good a wrestler as Chael or Hendo or arguably Nate, isn’t as powerful as Hendo, possible Chael and Nate, and is considerably slower than Silva (or Vitor).
I don’t see him offering Anderson anything new, different or special. Yushin is good, but not really great at anything. I think to beat the best fighter of all time you need to excel at something — hell anything.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
2011 Okami has better wrestling than 2008 Hendo
by Soraldo Babalu on Mar 25, 2011 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
2008 Hendo is better than 2011 Okami all around.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
At LHW? Sure. At middleweight? I’m not so sure.
by Soraldo Babalu on Mar 25, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yushin
may not be as good a wrestler as Chael, but Hendo doesn’t really use his wrestling in an MMA capacity entirely well. Sure, he can get takedowns and stuff takedowns, but he’s also been outwrestled by men with much lesser credentials.
What Okami brings to the table is that he’s much more well rounded, and defensively better than any of the guys you mentioned. Yushin has tight striking defense, takedown defense, submission defense, as well as good hands, monstrous strength, good takedowns, and lockdown top control.
What the real issue here is that from the way their first fight was playing out, and how the 2 fighters have progressed since, I don’t think Okami matches up with Anderson well. Ando has really developed his wrestling- his takedown defense, counter wrestling, and his submission game from his back.
In their first fight, Silva was stuffing next to all of Okami’s takedowns, was battering him with crisp punches and kicks, and when Yushin finally did get a takedown, he wasn’t able to do any damage on the ground (before launching the DQ kick, finally) or even pass/ work for subs.
25 minutes is a long time to fight Anderson Silva without him either finishing you with strikes/ subs, or beating you up and taunting you enough to get a healthy lead on the scorecards.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well..
He got tagged by Nate a couple times. I already said he’s good at everything, great at nothing.
Lockdown top control perhaps but he doesn’t do any damage or offer subs, which again is why I stated he could win a decision (maybe).
You pretty much reiterated everything I said, so I think we agree. Okami will try and control him on the ground, but in terms of GNP he won’t offer much. Standing he will get most likely be destroyed. Good takedowns but I don’t see a healthy Anderson too worried especially after the Chael war since I doubt Okami will offer such much offense.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
Okami would basically just have to grind out a decision to win. He’s never had vicious striking (standing, in the clinch, or on the ground), and he probably won’t sub Anderson either.
I tend to think Anderson will handle him, but Okami has always been good at winning.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd really love to see
Chael or Shields fight Andy before he retires. More than Okami, more than Jones, more than even GSP.
Shields just needs to ruin one more set of plans to get the ball rolling.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I personally
don’t want to see Chael anywhere near a title until he displays some basic god damn submission defense. I say they match him up with Maia, or Jacare if/ when he gets transferred to the UFC.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes and Yes.
I think he’s 1 for 5 against Brazilian fighters, so he’s not anxious for that matchup whatsoever.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Anderson showed better defensive wrestling than I expected against Sonnen, but that is still not saying much.
He had a lightning-quick sprawl against Okami the first time, but we have not seen that out of him in the UFC against anyone shooting on him. Suspect it has to do with knee/leg injuries, but that is pure speculation.
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"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 25, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Anderson did stuff a few takedowns. It was when he slipped and fell that really hurt him.
He did have a pretty quick sprawl back then, but he’s also diversified his wrestling portfolio since.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand how you think he outwrestled Nate.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
just looked at the fightmetric, and you’re right- Marquardt definitely did better with the takedowns. He went 3/4, and Okami went 1/9. I was under the impression that Yushin had stuffed more takedowns, it’s been a while since I’ve seen the fight.
That said, Okami popped right back up when Marquardt did take him down.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Okami won
that fight on overall octagon control (constantly pressing forward). Nate got over agressive on the ground and going for guillotines, giving Yushin a chance to get up.
Both tagged each other at different points but it wasn’t a UD win for Okami IMO..
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
You either think he won the decision or not. It was a close fight, but I think Okami outstruck Nate overall and deserved the nod.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yushin won the fight by Nate not doing anything in the 3rd round
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 25, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
by repeatedly punching him in the face, and stuffing his takedowns….
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
idk
he seemed pretty damn slow and hesitant against Nate, I think Anderson would still blitz dat ass, but this is mma so who knows.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Mar 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Okami employs a rather unique style of pressure, in that he comes forward in a sort of lumbering power stance. Against fighters who prefer to stay out of range, he’s quite a handful (even if it doesn’t look like that’s the case), mostly thanks to his smart footwork. He never falls into the trap of approaching an opponent directly, he’s always moving towards an opponent in the right way to cut off the obvious escape angle. We saw that against Nate Marquardt, where he moved forward against Nate until they were close to the cage then engaged, tagging Nate a few times a round. I really liked that fight actually, would have loved to see that go five rounds.
Anderson it’s a master of footwork and dictating range though, not to mention his borderline magical ability to throw power strikes out of nowhere.
Yeah
The way Okami fights these days, it’s very hard to beat him. He’s finally improved his striking and developed a game to exploit his size & reach. It’s hard for guys to wind anything up with their back against the cage.
Anderson should be able to batter Okami though, for however long they are standing. Thunder needs to run Ando into the fence and work takedowns/ dirty boxing/ short knees to the thighs/ foot stomps.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
HA. I will only believe this fight is happening if...
Both Fighter appear in the ring, and Herb Dean has them touch gloves. Other wise I dont think it will happen. Dana has screwed Okami before, willing to bet he will again.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
It would have to be either GSP or Okami wouldn't it?
I don’t think Silva will fight Jones and no other MW deserves a shot over Okami, so where does the UFC go for a third opponent?
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~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Mar 24, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
They will find any excuse to screw over Okami, the past done lie. I hope he gets the fight, but until what I said above happens then I wont believe they will fight.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
by RJshock 305 on Mar 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome, yushin!
gspmademegay vows to finally land a date with gsp, reach spiritual enlightenment, cure cancer, and win $1 million betting on rashad evans vs. jon jones!
i tried to change my username to 'big country fit' but the system wouldnt let me.
I like Yushin actually getting out in the press and trying to push this fight. I think the UFC hasn’t made this fight due too the lack of heat, coupled with a legitimate chance of Silva getting beat by a guy known only to hardcores (though highly unlikely).
I would like this fight to go down while GSP bulks up. There is plenty of time and if Andy does lose, then we still get our super fight with GSP and Silva. It will be for a #1 contenders spot though. And the MW division becomes much more fun.
Channel your inner Sonnen Okami.
I should have satyed out of Cain’s strawberry patch.
If Silva loses to Okami somehow, what little desire I have to Silva/GSP plummets to zero.
For the love of jeebus, don’t lose this fight Silva.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
how many people on here are employed by the ufc?
i will believe in god, iraq has wmd’s, brock has a good chin, chael is hispanic, tito will win a title (and doesn’t get it stripped for from having STD’s) and cro cop will win another fight with a LHK wayyyyyyyyy before i believe Okami has any shot to win this fight.
You don't think
he even has a slight chance of replicating the success Sonnen had against Anderson?
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he could
but probably won’t. I have it like 70/30 Anderson.
Again- Okami’s style is the same style that has given Anderson problems his whole career.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If you are going to beat Anderson, you shouldn’t be looking awful against Marquardt.
Anything Okami can bring, Silva has faced somebody who is better at it and beaten them at it. Okami is nowhere near the powerful and explosive wrestler that Chael is, and will be afraid to stand and trade with Anderson.
Anderson is too fast, too evasive and way too skilled for Okami. This will be another 5 round snooze fest where Okami chases Anderson around the ring eating jabs.
I think...
Brokami has a lot in him that everyone takes for granted. He hasn’t been knocked out since ‘03, and has only lost to decision since. His game was completely japanese back when he was losing fights against RF and Sonnen. However, he has since incorporated some new disciplines. You also have to admit he’s been the most successful native asian in the UFC, not counting the halfs like bj penn and ryoto lol.
The most important thing you’ll find in any fighter’s game, that has been missing in most of them, is the defensive aspect. Everyone on these boards like to say shit like, OH HE DOESNT HAVE EXPLOSIVENESS, OH HE DOESNT HAVE KNOCKOUT POWER, HE DOESNT GIVE ME A BONER WHEN I WATCH THE FIGHT!!!!
These are invalid reasons. Explosiveness was not what made Sonnen look good against Silva. It was Silva’s hurt rib and his desire to pull guard and sub Sonnen. 300 punches later, and it still lookes like Silva beat Sonnen up from minor strikes from his back.
Okami also has his “improved” striking. I’ll admit this hasn’t been shown much, except against Linhares and Marquardt. If you look at the fight metrics, not for the striking, but just to remember just how the wrestling went, you’ll see Okami won clearly. It was a UD, not a barely win, but he was being defensive and pointing out a win.
Maybe he’ll do this on Silva, maybe he’ll get knocked the fuck out, but in reality, he has a better chance to not get knocked out or subbed than anyone Silva’s fought recently. This is the biggest fight any MMA fighter that size could ever have. I doubt he would take it lightly, so perhaps, he might have something up his sleeve to be this smug to the press.
I guess my other, left out point,
Having all these flashy things, like Vitor’s 99 knockout of Wandy, or Hendo’s big bombing hands…yeah that’s cool, that’s something to look for…but really, none of these things get tested against Anderson. Someone just needs to find his rythmn and go in and jab with him without giving too much of yourself away to go for that big win everyone else thinks they can do against him.
Well
“explosiveness” has nothing to do with it, Sonnen just has better takedowns than Okami.
Okami has developed a game where he can stalks guys, sit in the back edge of the pocket, and throw a jab/ cross. When the opportunity presents itself, he presses the opponent into the fence and fights for a takedown. When they shoot, he either stuffs them and throws rabbit punches/ hammerfists for a while, or pops right back up. Rinse/ lather/ repeat.
His success against Anderson is predicated on whether he can get Anderson down and stay active enough to keep him there, and point out a win. Ando has an unbelievably quick first step, and would hit Okami with punches/ flying knees/ kicks at will. Okami needs to run Ando into the fence and muscle out takedowns all night.
Personally, I don’t like his chances all that much, as going 5 rounds with Anderson without getting caught is fucking hard. He deserves his shot though, and they have unfinished business.
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe.
I don’t think Okami will be able to do enough damage on the ground to really hurt Silva. Maybe he lays on him and pulls it out.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 25, 2011 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock has a good chin, he probably hates that about himself.
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
Yeah
Just think about all the hard shots Carwin & Cain hit him with, and he never went out.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 25, 2011 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions
my apologies
i should have said good boxing defence.
You know a division is really thin when the best title challenger is only a 3 win streak… compare that to WW where most guys fighting for the title usually are on 6-7 win streaks…
Last WW title challengers:
Shields – 15 win streak
Koscheck – 3 win streak
Hardy – 7 win streak
Alves – 7 win streak
Penn – 3 win streak (at LW)
Fitch – 16 win streak
Average: 10.2 win streak
Last HW title challengers:
JDS – 8 win streak (if he beats Lesnar)
Velasquez – 8 win streak
Carwin – 12 win streak
Mir – 3 win streak
Average: 7.8 win streak
Last MW title challengers:
Belfort – 5 win streak
Sonnen – 3 win streak
Maia – 1 win streak (excluded from average because he replaced an injured Belfort)
Leites – 5 win streak
Cote – 5 win streak
Henderson – 2 win streak (excluding his previous loss to Rampage at LHW)
Average: 4 win streak
Why isn’t anyone at MW winning more than a few fights before jumping into a title shot? By this measure alone, the WW division appears to be at least twice as competitive as the MW division! Even the HW division, for all the flack it gets, offers better title challengers to its champions than the MW division does.
by Shnak on Mar 25, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
great post
i love solid data like this.
also, it’s good to remember that hardy, supposedly such a weak challenger, was on a 7 fight win streak and actually was 12-1 in his last 13, as i recall.
There is a limit to your interpretation. What if…having a long winning streak proves the opposite? What if the competition is so good and so evenly matched that win streaks are very short? And it surely doesn’t change the fact that the HW division is the worst by FAR.
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Carwin, Velasquez and JDS (again, if he beats Lesnar) in succession is one of the best streaks of title challengers in a very long time, IMO. Their records speak for themselves.
And your interpretation is as open-ended as mine… what if the MW competition is so bad and evenly matched that win streaks are very short? We’ll never know the answer. But the facts show that there are enough quality WW’s in MMA that guys are able to put great win streaks together, whereas there aren’t enough quality MW’s to do the same.
That doesn’t make sense. Putting together a win streak would imply that a fighter stands out from the rest of the opposition given to him. That says nothing about the general quality compared to another division. GSP is on an 8-fight winning streak, McCorkle was on a 10 fight winning streak and wasn’t even considered a title challenger. What kind of conclusion do you draw from there?
In some cases, putting together a long win streak doesn’t even mean that when you look at the way Fitch is handled (a lot of times against debuting fighters, some of which he struggles with).
You’re right, the fact that McCorkle was on a ten fight win streak blows up my argument out of the water, I need to take into account the caliber of the opposition. I should go back and only consider consecutive wins while in the UFC where most fighters are of high caliber… but I won’t, too much work.
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