UFC 128 Results: Who Can Stop Jon Jones?
by Nick Thomas on Mar 22, 2011 8:10 PM EDT
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The 23 year old Jones came in on short notice against Rua after beating Ryan Bader at UFC 126 and made it look easy against the champ.
Is there someone out there who can dethrone the new champ?
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Only Jon Jones can stop Jon Jones
This is all good and fun but let’s not say he is unbeatable until he defends the cursed LHW belt at least once
agreed
were all a little high on the kid right now, im guilty as well. sunday i practically didnt exist to the world because i was watching the fight over and over and reading as many articles about him as possible. but lets just take a breather, hes very, very good. lets not build him up so high that theirs no coming back
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This survey is rigged, where's the "nobody in this decade" option??
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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Mar 22, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like Ando in that fight.
He would get slammed on his back repeatedly. Don’t know if Bones would stop him or not, but unless he gassed late, Silva would not be able to stop Jones from putting him on his ass at will.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones gassing is a pretty real possibility though.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Based on...
Anderson’s history of gassing?
by CaptainKneebar on Mar 23, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Anderson looked absolutely spent after being under Sonnen for 22 minutes. Imagine how he’d feel after the same amount of time under a heavier and bigger Jones.
Not saying Anderson’s cardio is a problem, but I see no evidence whatsoever that Jones will gas anytime soon. He went all out against Bonnar for 3 rounds, lifting him up and throwing him down many times, not simply kickboxing. And what Jones did against Shogun with all the takedowns and ground work would’ve gassed a lot of people. Jones wasn’t even fading a little bit, IMO.
I remember the Bonnar fight differently...
Jones rag dolled him for most of the first two rounds, got tired, and Bonnar won the third. Jones was completely spent.
Of course, that was five fights ago and Jones hadn’t started training in Jackson’s camp yet, so I imagine his cardio has significantly improved
Anderson took Chael working him over for 4 rounds pretty good – and by all accounts had an injury that would affect his gas tank to begin with. Jones on the other half looked half-gassed after one round he utterly dominated. So I can’t really see the reasoning behind your assumption. Maybe it was just the pressure and the excitement of his big night for Jones, as Jackson and Whitman explained. But I’m not so sure about that.
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Half-gassed? Are you serious? Common. You could edit the footage of that fight and switch the other of the rounds and you’d have no clue which round was which round just by looking at Jones. He looked to me like he could’ve gone the distance, easily.
rewatch the fight
Jones looked pretty tired to me in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. He wasn’t punch drunk like Shogun but he was visibly exhausted.
by Johnnynumber5 on Mar 23, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones has gassed multiple times now.
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by James Brady on Mar 23, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Show me a single person who’s been as active as Jones was in the first 13 minutes of his beatdown on Shogun that wouldn’t start showing signs of gassing. If Jones has gas tank problems, 99.9% of MMA fighters have gas tank problems. This is getting ridiculous.
Controlling you output is part of gassing
I don’t think people are only saying that Jones has bad cardio, just that he might gas himself.
But I thought he did a good job in this fight not blowing his wad and keeping up a consistent offensive output.
You really need to stop being so personally invested in this.
And understand that saying Jones gasses does not equate to him having bad cardio. He just doesn’t pace himself, which, against a resilient opponent going into the championship rounds, could be a big factor.
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by James Brady on Mar 23, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a give and take. If Jones lets go of the pedal a little more, Shogun could’ve come back into the fight. And as SES84 said above, I thought Jones paced himself pretty good, often taking a step back even when Shogun looked just about ready to go.
Ok, where did I ever say he didn’t do it well? There’s numerous posts of mine talking about how Jones gassed, but he adjusted well to it.
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Well, that's ridiculous.
The only time Anderson has ever gassed was in the hot, dry desert of Abu Dhabi. Jones has gassed in every single one of his fights that have gone to the 3’rd round.
Part of that is his pace, part of it is his build; people who are build with as many fast twitch muscle fibers as Jones are are at a natural disadvantage for endurance.
Anderson is also built for explosive sprinting (rather than endurance marathons), but is excellent at conserving his energy, and exploding when the time is right. It’s an experience thing.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Dude put on a hell of a performance against an opponent he was stylistically favourably matched up with but let’s wait till the kid defends a few times before we start the worship
by dagoldenmonkey on Mar 22, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're right
And Jones stopped himself against Hamill!
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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Question for you, or anyone else: what if Jones DQ’s himself while defending his belt? Does the title actually change hands in that scenario? For some reason, I’m under the impression that a belt cannot be lost by way of a DQ.
That’s how it was in the WWF. I don’t know about MMA.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
If only it was like the hardcore title. Lyoto Machida roaming the back of venues with a referee on-hand like a ninja, waiting to ambush Jones and get the pinfall in the parking lot.
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by James Brady on Mar 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
“Bah Gawd King! We usualy see trash cans and tables in a hard core match. I think using the shurikens might be too much to handle for Bones! What’s that? It looks as though Machida is pulling that strange yellow liquid from his gi”
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
seriously
rashad has a chance but its 4 to 1 .. only person slightly better is roger gracie… no one else is better than 8 to 1.. especially not machida and couture .. get real people .. also y isnt fedor on the list .. he would be 3 or 4 to 1 underdog
Well let's shut the LHW division down.
No one will ever beat Jones. Let’s put him in the hall of fame now. Best fighter that ever lived. Holding the torch for the Olympics next. Best eva!
Roger Gracie, WTF?
Doesn’t Jones just dance on the Outside and punch him to death. I guess maybe Jones goes down out of arrogance and maybe gets submitted.
You never know
BJ Penn looked unstoppable until Edgar gooned him twice. Everyone has a foil.
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That's not a great reference point.
Previous to BJ’s last LW title run, we had not only seen him vulnerable as a WW, we had also seen him vulnerable as a LW. So “unstoppable” is certainly not an applicable word there.
“Unstoppable” would be more apropos for someone we have NEVER seen challenged in any way… someone like Jon Jones, as of right now at least.
If you were around blogs and websites at the time you know BJ was really considered unstoppable at the time.
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Not sure why someone who had been legitimately beaten would be considered unbeatable shortly thereafter, but stranger things have happened on the interwebz…
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by The American Ronin on Mar 22, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He hadn’t lost at lightweight since Pulver though. And he had the Marinovich machine running for him. It really wasn’t that crazy.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea after the diego beatdown we basically assumed that bj was unstoppable and had nothing left to do at lightweight
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That’s what I was referring to.
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True
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by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say Machida’s a better reference point. No one came close to touching him until Shogun.
Let's get naked and see who's stronger.
by OwMyArm on Mar 22, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How come “Nobody currently in the division” is not an option
by reciprocal on Mar 22, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
The poll seems phrased wrong...
It should be who is the most likely to beat him…
Because if King Mo could do it, I’d expect half the guys on the list to be able to.
Fitch is awesome, I don't care what you think...
Bones Jones, future greatest MMAist ever.
Considering Lawal has the best wrestling at LHW, and excellent MMA Wrestling as well, I would take him over almost anyone in that poll, Davis and Jones excepted.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 22, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Almost all of them
All of these people can beat jbj, cmon people. Everyone up there could people him, not consistently. But all of them possess the tools to make it happen.
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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Everyone up there could people him
You mean Cecil People him?
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by Worldisart on Mar 22, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
ummmmmm......
would you be weirded out and/or believe me if i said thats EXACTLY what i meant?
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
ill savor the flavor
because living up to the name is a tough task
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
and they didn't
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 22, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wait..
By reading a book that offers help, how is that self-help? Wouldn’t that just be help?
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Can’t wait to see him fight Rashad, Rampage and Machida. If he runs through all of them? Wow.
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I think Machida has the best chance.
I wonder if Chael can move up and get his arse beat by Jon though :) I like some serious trash talk. I think Jon will get caught once for trying those spinning elbows :)
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by SheepleBuster on Mar 23, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
jon jones has unorthodox striking, so whoever will beat him must be someone who has been trained to expect attacks from every angles. also, jones also has a tremendous reach advantage, but no real proven power in his stand up. the way i see this being countered is by someone who is willing to take a hit to land something stronger.
i give it to machida. he’s great at intercepting attacks and staying out of range so he doesn’t get taken down. plus, the sumo training adds greatly to his balance in a different manner than traditional wrestlers – who jones takes down with ease.
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No real proven power in his standup? He broke Rua. No one had ever done that. Knees, push kicks, liver shots… I was in awe of his destructive abilities.
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by judonerd on Mar 22, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
okay....
He doesnt have one punch knockout power. There, fixed.
by b2tharad on Mar 22, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"one punch KO"
It seems to me this is as much about striking precision as power. Machida doesn’t seem to be incredibly powerful, like say JDS or Cain, but he can KO people by laser targeting his strikes. On the other hand you can take a very powerful punch like Brock’s orbital-breaking strike on Herring – but if it doesn’t hit the KO points on the head spot on, it may not KO the guy.
So what I see in Jones is, some really fantastic striking, doing a lot of damage, but not necessarily hitting the KO spot. E.g. his spinning back elbow to Rua against the fence – it hit, but not well enough to KO. I think the power would have been sufficient to KO if the point of the elbow had hit the right place on the jaw, though. Or perhaps right behind the ear. I think the meat of the back of his arm made the connection more than the point of the elbow, and kind of dragged across the face and pushed Rua back.
If anything I think his biggest risk is getting caught like Faber against Mike Brown. Throwing a spinning back elbow/fist and spinning right into an overhand counter. Usually he has good timing but there was one or two that Rua could have got him if he wasn’t so tired. Then again Jones probably wouldn’t have done so many if Rua still looked fresh.
He more or less KO’ed Shogun with that last body-shot…? Yeah, there was a follow up as in every TKO but the shot that sealed the deal was that left (?) to the liver. So…nooot sure we should say he has no KO-power.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Stylistically it's Machida
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by Noah'sArk on Mar 22, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
lol I don't think so
with Lyotos style and reach disadvantage(he has 73 inch reach c’mon jones has 84,5) is a horrible mismatch
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That reach statistic
is literally the only argument you’ve ever brought up as to why Machida wouldn’t be able to beat Jones. Like Lyoto’s style is predicated on having a reach advantage, anyways.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s predicated on getting in and out with precise shots. That’s hard to do when the other guy has a reach advantage of nearly a foot.
While that's true
it’s not like Jones has shown himself to have gnarly counter punching; his push kicks, and posting his hand on his opponent’s head have been his go- to ways of controlling distance. Someone who can get in at an angle while he’s off balance and explode with a flurry could catch Jones.
Coincidentally, this is what Machida excels at.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
nah- he doesn’t have the speed- especially given how much farther out he has to start from against Jones. The sumo that people like to talk about will put him on his back against Jones, and I see him being easily controlled once on the ground. Shogun is a tougher matchup for Jones.
Lyoto has great wrestling,
and I think his striking style presents problems for Jones. Just me.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 24, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
we’ll get a better gauge on Machida’s wrestling pretty soon against Randy. I seem to be the lone person who thinks even a 46 year old Randy has a great shot of winning that fight.
I don’t get where the idea that Machida has great or even good wrestling comes from, except from people hearing that he has trained sumo at some point. I don’t know how much sumo, because those guys are what, 400 pounds, but still. I have seen all of his UFC fights and a couple outside the UFC (Franklin and Penn), and the only real wrestling I have seen was against a washed up Tito who hasn’t looked good in many years. I have seen trips from the clinch against guys like Sokoudjou who isn’t very good, and takedowns against Shogun who has poor takedown defense.
Machida has good clinch-based takedowns and good overall takedown defense, but I have seen nothing that would make me think his wrestling is even good – Shogun got up with ease every time he was taken down.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 24, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
how would Machida get within the reach and not be clocked
Machida keeps his hands to low and would get destroyed in the clinch plus the memo of how to beat Machida is already out
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Reach is overcame with speed and footwork and wrestling with better wrestling or (very) superior BJJ (but I fear this won’t apply to Jones that can GnP you from the guard). When you find a guy like this you find a guy that statistically could beat Jones. I don’t know if Machida is the guy, but 205 is stacked, it won’t be a cakewalk.
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Of the people on that list, who do you think has the best chance of winning?
Rashad Evans…. got his ass beat by Machida who got KO’d by the guy who Jones got to tap to strikes. My guess is… no.
Rampage Jackson vs. Matt Hammill No. Just no. Neither one.
Lyoto Machida: elusive. It won’t be easy or even probable that Machida would win, but of the people on this list… it’s at least conceivable that he could use Jone’s sloppy footwork and strikes to make something happen.
Randy Couture. Couture nearly got his ass beat by Brandon Vera. Old enough to be Jones’s dad.
Dan Henderson. Old. Too small. He’d make the Shogun fight look competitive in retrospect.
Gegard Mousasi Mousasi showed he has a real hard time with strong wrestlers. Would be the smaller, weaker opponent with inferior grappling. Jones would just pull go King Kong.
Mike Kyle. No.
Forrest Griffin. Slow as molasses. Given the top 5 in the division, he has as much chance of getting the LHW title back as I do.
Thiago Silva. Nope. His striking is a level below the top of the divison. Jones would eat him alive.
Muhammed Lawal. He’s as inexperienced as Jones but has shown little of the same prodigious talent.
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira. He’d take the ass beating of a lifetime.
Phil Davis. Nah. Maybe some day.
Roger Gracie. Puh-leaze.
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by Unabomberman on Mar 23, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
he WILL get clocked. but he’s also the type of fighter that will eat one just to serve one.
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by slantedwindows on Mar 22, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil Davis, but not yet and not this year
I’d like to see him fight Jones next year at the earliest. Let’s see how he looks against Nogueira.
by KJ Gould on Mar 22, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
agreed, also a fight i want to see. pretty eager to see how he does against nog just so i can have a better idea of how he would fair against jones. on pure athleticism alone, he poses the most interesting fight.
by The Hashishin on Mar 22, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the biggest threat to Jones looks to be Phil Davis in a year or two if he keeps improving. These two honestly to me just seem destined to meet in the future. Jones may have the reach advantage over Davis, but Davis is not a small Light Heavyweight by any means. If Davis beats Lil Nog and looks good in victory, then there will definitely have clamor for Davis vs Jones.
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Jon Jones (+110) vs Matt Hammill and Mike Kyle tag team (-140)
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More like Jones (-350) Kyle/Hammill(+225)
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by Chris Hall on Mar 22, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who at 205 can match his reach? No one.
Who at 205 can close the distance and outwrestle him when he clinches? Not many.
Who at 205 can close the distance, THEN outwrestle him, THEN beat him on the ground with slick jiu-jitsu or a fatal GnP game? Maybe no one.
I don’t buy the Machida argument. Machida fights on the outside, but he’s still going to find himself within Jones’ freakish reach. I don’t buy Phil Davis either—who is his biggest win over? Boetsch? Stann? The guy has way too far to go and Jones has proven to be an extremely fast learner. By the time Davis gets to Jones’ level, Jones will be doing Showtime kicks off the cage and teleporting forward in spacetime.
You have to have EVERYTHING in place and be superior to JJ in every phase of combat. Another year of training to learn how to escape and get back to his feet, and JJ may be unstoppable.
I never rode the JJ hype train, but his destruction of Rua after three years of fighting was a nasty wake-up call.
Frankly, it may take a heavyweight to beat the guy… someone like Overeem or Velasquez.
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by judonerd on Mar 22, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It's too early for Phil Davis
But, in a couple of years? As long as UFC don’t rush him and we get to see him develop, that’s a fight I’d really like to see. Of course in that time Jones can (and likely will) get better as well.
he haven't even been close to being as dominant as Jones has with wrestlers as he has been with non wrestlers
Phil had a hard time taking down striker Alexander Gustavson and his TD are extremely slow
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the inevitable next 23 year old phenom.
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Judging by history, those come along about twice a decade.
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I’d expect a lot more dominant newcomers in a couple of years. With the sport growing more and more into mainstream attention and big money, kids starting to train MMA at an early age, it should be inevitable that a new generation of fighters will make even Jones look bad. It’s years off though, so he might have a long reign until then.
Until he’s a couple of defenses in, we can’t be sure though he isn’t just another Brock Lesnar who looked unstoppable to many not so long ago as well.
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By the time Davis gets to Jones’ level, Jones will be doing Showtime kicks off the cage and teleporting forward in spacetime
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by AndersonSativa on Mar 23, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
“By the time Davis gets to Jones’ level, Jones will be doing Showtime kicks off the cage and teleporting forward in spacetime.”
If it’s not off the cage, it’s not a Showtime-kick anyway!!1
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 34 recs
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Mind chunks everywhere?
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wait, i had something for this... pita predator
lets just call it what it is…
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone tapped to fight Jon Jones better call Kenny Loggins....
CAUSE THEY’RE IN THE DANGER ZONE!!!!
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by TomAce on Mar 22, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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i touched it…..
i touched… my mothers dildo….
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
??
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Im thinking heavyweight
A Cain or Carwin would be able to do it
by despisedIcon856 on Mar 22, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
good luck getting Carwin to 205
he needs to cut to stay under 265. not happening.
by Victor Rodriguez on Mar 22, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
he was implying
when jbj goes up to heavyweight
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
never said he was going up now, but he will eventually go up.
hes a kid, hes gonna get bigger, start retaining more weight, and having more trouble losing it a few years down the road. jbj going to heavyweight isnt if, its when.
but again, he was implying jones wont lose to anyone at lhw that is presently a threat to him, and wont lose until he moves up and fights someone like cain or carwin. not saying i agree with it, i just think that was the implication
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, jones is totally capable of fighting and fighting well in hw. sterling nailed it, hes a kid, he just started lifting weights and doesnt he walk around at 225 or something already? regardless of whether or not this guy loses he has a very exciting future. him vs cain sounds amazing and hell, i might even pick him over cain today.
by The Hashishin on Mar 22, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know man, something about the way Forrest has been just hanging out on the sidelines
That guy’s got something up his sleeve…I think he’s working on a blueprint as we speak.
no KO power and a fragile chin and 5 rounds.
Forrest could submit him from his backbut thats really hard to do against someone like Jon Jones
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the thing man
How can we know what Forrest is really thinking!? He’s thrown us off the trail!
After Rampage...
Forrest is the most intriguing fight on this list. I don’t give him much of a chance, but he’s probably the only guy at 205 that Jones wouldn’t have a size advantage on (reach yes, but not size). Griffin also has cardio for days, if he could survive the first 2 or 3 rounds, he’d have a shot.
Having said that, Forrest’s average chin and takedown defense would probably have him KO’d before round 4.
Where is the “none of the above” option?
by Gafford on Mar 22, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Lyoto Machida
he should get his own option
Is there really a question of whether he can beat Couture or not?
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
yet Mousasi is an option.
that’s funny and depressing at the same time.
by Victor Rodriguez on Mar 22, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
this man
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by Cory Braiterman on Mar 22, 2011 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Did you know:
Juggernaut isn’t even a mutant, he’s like some magical artifact infused dude or something! He can get royally shitfucked up and still be alive!
Dude got buried alive in cement and he was fine.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 22, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the comics are ridiculous hes fucking prof x's step brother or something too
i liked vinnie jones better……
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yeah, but that depends on the continuity
in the film, he isn’t related to Professor X. i think they were following the Ultimate X-Men continuity.
by Victor Rodriguez on Mar 23, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup its either something to do with the bands he wears or some kinda crystal IIRC Spent some time with Marvel Ult. Alliance and 3 friends a few summers ago lol
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yeah, it was some crystal he found that gives him magic power.
by Victor Rodriguez on Mar 23, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta go with griffin, Phil Davis and couture
But only if Forrest learns how to use his size and outpoint his way to a decision… Phil Davis could do it maybe next year after a couple of fights…and I never count Randy out of any fight…. Anderson silva is the obvious answer, I’d love to see bones try that spinning back elbow when there’s a steven segal kick waiting for him
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by bubski27 on Mar 22, 2011 8:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
griffin nah he is in legend mode i don’t even think he wants a title fight. he just want fights that he can make big money and not risk himself to much
phil i don’t know but what he wants to do is what jones wants to do. that means it comes down to the striking which he is shaky on.
couture barely got bye brandon vera and jones is not going get pressed like that. if vera can hurt randy with his striking. jones has a elbow waiting for randy with a word on it retire.
How on Earth would Griffin win against Jones?
His striking is godawful. I mean honestly, he made Rashad look like a great striker. He was the victim of one of MMA’s most embarrassing exposures. He wasn’t getting the belt back before Jones showed up. Now it might as well be on the moon. He’s replaced Keith Jardine as that guy you beat to get in the top 10.
Couture… c’mon man. You can’t be serious.
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Machida
he will dance for 5 rounds hit jones all of 30 times over the 5 rounds. while jones will never hit him once. then he will be the only ufc champion to win the belt then get fired mwhahahahaha
I can't wait for Hoger to test him
With how damn confident Jones is, and how damn unprotected he leaves his arms in guard, Gracie will triangle him in a second. Submission is the way to take out Jones and Gracie is the key.
Machida on the other hand will wilt to Jones’s aggression like he does to anyone who is aggressive. PLEASE someone test this kid’s sub defense. I’m just hoping it’s Hoger.
Jones would keep that fight standing, he is too smart not to. Plus, Roger would never be able to take Bones down.
Your signature should be this short.
by nerdVictory on Mar 22, 2011 9:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shogun twice lol
agressive in moving forward using punches not just moving forward
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear lord, for a second I thought you were talking about this guy:
Let's get naked and see who's stronger.
I know the chick behind him is Ali Sonoma.
Damn, she was hot.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way Sam Hoger is a submission threat is if you get stuck talking to him on a bus.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by Sam Cupitt on Mar 22, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is that line original to you?
Are you Chael Sonnen?
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by PlantingaFan on Mar 23, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It funny, you look at every fighter in that picture BEFORE the Rua Jones fight
And you’re like, “wow, what a deep and staggeringly dangerous division.” Now that Jones is the champ, I look at that pic and get a feeling of a bunch of chumps with no clear contender
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Cheick Kongo looks like a cross between Evander Holyfield and pop singer Seal!
Melvin Guilard looks like a little Kevin Randelman!
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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Mar 22, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
May be far-fetched
But I think someone like Griffin may actually give him more than others. So far his most competitive fight was against Bonnar, admittedly a while ago. But a constantly aggressive stand up from someone who has the size not to get overwhelmed, and decent take-down and sub defence may be the one that works against JJ.
I think it is more a matter of Jones improving more than Bonnar being more effective. Griffin is too slow, he wont even be able to touch Jones and Jones will bodyslam him. I think Jones’ most effective weapon is his elbows from guard. Those are some ridiculously long arms to throw elbows that far.
I think Jones needs to fight someone tall. Even if they don’t have the reach, a taller fighter will not be as vulnerable to elbows from guard. That would be a big equalizer.
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
I think we're on the same page
Jones needs someone who is physically and athletically near his level, with comparable skills or the ability to counteract them. I realize I am actually kind of talking about another JJ, and we ain’t got many of those going around.
All the people from the list above lack at least one of the above.
For my money, the guy to beat JJ is the first guy to take him to championship rounds, and I give Griffin a shot at that. If he could survive the first 2 or 3 rounds, his cardio could give him the fight.
Against Shogun, Jones looked tired after the first round, and even worse after the second. He obviously pushed through it, but he was seriously slowed by the third round.
Let's not forget that Bonnar has an 80" reach. That might have affected things as well.
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by PlantingaFan on Mar 23, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Im saying it now, Lyoto has a good change at beating Jones
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by *thriive* on Mar 22, 2011 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Stylistically yes, but he’s just too small and has too big reach disadvantage IMO. But other than that I agree he has a good skill set too fight Jones. However I suspect it would be another slaughter fest.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 23, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Roger.
"I got my ass kicked pretty bad, Roger is really good at taking the fight where he wants it – to the ground. He’s much better than people think. He’s not just a Jiu-Jitsu guy. Roger is a true MMA fighter," said GSP.
Taking down a welterweight,
and taking down Jon Jones are much much different.
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Or Jones would stand with him
and f’ck him up
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones is not a bob and weave stand up guy. He needs to engage. And Jones is arrogant enough that he would discount Roger and try to take him down to ground to pound him out. Then it would be too late.
And Jones is arrogant enough that he would discount Roger and try to take him down to ground to pound him out.
So since Jones is so arrogant he kept it standing the whole time against Shogun just to prove that he could strike with him, right?
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Mar 23, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
But I believe you’ll be the one sporting a sig you don’t want. Also, do you still remember the sigs we agreed on? Not that it matters, I’d pretty much be up for any.
But as far as Jones vs Roger
I think with a camp like Jackson’s behind him, gameplanning the way they do, the last thing they would want Jones to do is takedown Gracie, they would plan to keep the fight standing. The whole Jackson mentality is about taking the fight where your opponent is at their worst…for Roger, thats standing as opposed to on the ground.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I know for my sig, if I lost, was “Chris Groves and The American Ronin are the font of all MMA knowledge and I can only wonder at their every word in envy.” And yours was something like “I bought into the Reem hype only to realize he could only beat up that female reporter and pales in comparison to Werdum as a MMA fighter.”
The thing you have to remember about Roger is he is 6’4" as well. He is a big guy. Jones is not a stand up fighter. He works to the ground, that’s where he finishes. I think it could be a very dull fight as they circle each other or like I said, Jones would get cocky and tempt fate by taking him down. Roger would be a dark horse but extremely capable of subbing Jones and could easily be overlooked by Jones till it was too late. Like Fedor against Werdum. Phil Davis probably has the best overall skill set to beat him.
Jones may prefer to go for the takedown
But still, ground game aside, Jones’ standup is better than Roger’s…and there is no way Jackson and co gameplan him to work into Roger’s strength. Jones has taken a lot of guys down because they were either strikers or because they were wrestlers who weren’t good off of their back. Against a BJJ expert of any kind, especially Roger who’s standup isn’t so amazing, no way Jones takes him down. Jackson is the master of gameplanning. It could always happen, guys often don’t follow gameplans, but I think by the time Roger gets a crack at Jones, he’d be too disciplined to let his head get in the way.
As far as the sigs, that sounds about right to me. I could have swore mine was meant to have something about Reem being ‘chemically enhanced’ or something along those lines. But either way…when the day comes, we’ll re-finalize everything. I don’t know if I want you praising me, praising Overeem, or maybe have something slanted against Werdum. We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. That was the angle. Yours was “I bought into the Reem hype only to realize he is a chemically enhanced goon with a fraction of the talent of Werdum.”
Jones stand up game to me is ok. It’s not where he does damage. It’s when he gets in tight with a guy that he does the most damage and he is just going to wind up in the clinch with him at some point. I can’t imagine the fight turning into a kickboxing match up. It is going to the ground at some point one way or another.
I think it could
But it’s not like Jones is a nobody on the ground, I think he’d be able to defend well enough to get out of a bad spot.
And I have to fully disagree on his stand up game not being where he does damage. He mixes in his ground work with his stand up, but he is quite effective on the feet…and definitely moreso than Roger Gracie.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but his stand up game is made up primarily of a very unorthodox, almost sloppy, style with incredible power. And a lot of his stand up is done up close. Spinning elbows or heel kicks. He can snap off a high leg kick but he wants to get in tight, even in his stand up. That is going to lead to a clinch if he doesn’t flat out KO him.
As far as once they go to the ground, Jones chances drop faster than Reem did to the canvas when Kharitonov dropped him.
Yes
But Jones is quite strong in the clinch
I do not believe that clinching = automatic takedown and sub for Roger
Jones is quite well rounded and improving at a fast rate.
Fighters have been seen adjusting gameplans all the time based on opponent…it’s illogical to believe Jones wouldn’t do the same thing and avoid the ground game at all costs.
I do not have faith in Roger’s ability to take him down, and if he pulls gaurd, I have a lot of faith in Jones’ ability to stand up and get out of it…he is very strong.
In a kickboxing match, Jones wins all day long…even if he chose to not fight his normal in close fight and use his distance more, even as bad as it as he MIGHT be when compared to some, he’d still work over Roger.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 23, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe if each round started in the referee's position...
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by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think there was something about “chemically enhanced” as well, but I would have to find it. Not that I will need to. ;p
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by The American Ronin on Mar 22, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to see Gracie fight a few more names than Trevor Prangley before I’m willing to bet money on him.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 22, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?!? ADCC creds must mean nothin to you _ idiot
by Richiiie on Mar 22, 2011 10:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow
what’s with names? ADCC is not MMA (you know the thing with wrestling, punches, kicks, elbows).
_thanks
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 22, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not according to the guy above me.
Apparently BJJ guys make absolutely flawless transitions to MMA.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 22, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
see Maia vs Marquardt
Maia made a flawless transition from the standing position, to mid air and out of consciousness.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 23, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
This needs to be green.
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by SSreporters on Mar 23, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta go with Rashad
Rashad has the fastest hands in the division and is a sick wrestler.
He is at his best when “his back is up against the wall”. Chuck and Forrest were beating him (out pointing him) and it seemed like evans got frustrated and said “fuck it” and started to trust his hands/striking abilities.
I just hope his chin holds up long enough for him to connect (b/c he will not be able to lay and pray with JJ)
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Ummm....?
Rashad has the fastest hands in the division…
No.
by PackMMA on Mar 22, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He's actually up there.
Gustaffson, Rogerio, Rashad… who else at LHW has blazing hand speed?
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Machida & Shogun fast hands too.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Not entirely sure I would put Rogerio in there these days…
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by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
His hands were like greased lightning against Cane, not long ago. He just hasn’t had a fight to display that since.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s crazy. Rashad has no chin because he got knocked out once?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 22, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He almost got put away by Rampage and Thiago in the 3rd round of both those fights. His knees got wobbly and Stanky Leg was trying to kick in. If Rampage or Thiago weren’t so gassed they would of put him away.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Mar 22, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You do know that both of those guys punch really hard though?
by Horselover Fat on Mar 23, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he has been rocked a total of 5 times in his last 3 fights
twice in the Machida fight(leading to a KO)
once against Silva
once against Rampage
He can’t seem to go 3 rounds these days without getting clipped.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Machida knocked him out, yes. But like…saying “you got wobbled by two of the heaviest hitters in the division” is not “you have a bad chin”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 22, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe saying its 'bad' isn't the right word
But he is very rockable, Machida did it(twice, and the 2nd led to a finish) Silva did it and Rampage did it. A clean shot means he’s going wobbly.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 23, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Having been rocked so many times
Also proves that he is very hittable.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 23, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
"Rashad has the fastest hands in the division and is a sick wrestler"
No and no.
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by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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LLLLLLLLLLLLLEESSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Time to put some meat in your pain sandwich.
by Ubernoober on Mar 22, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
gross
The only good bug is a dead bug!
by Anthony Pace on Mar 23, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The only guy who can stop jones is Cain…
by mmalogic on Mar 22, 2011 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The Reem
You can talk him up now, it’s ok.
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by Neil Manich on Mar 22, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ill wait wait until the reem actually beats somebody in MMA first. He’s got skills and is clearly a different fighter from when Chuck, Shogun and the other 205lbers were pushing his shit in but his chin will still be a problem for him.
As soon as a guy with Top control gets on top of him he’ll be done… especially at HW.
Alot of people are gonna be disappointed. He may eventually prove to be a fringe top 5 guy but in all likelihood he’ll never be the best. One, his fighting style (sprawl and brawl) is obsolete, 2) his body type is gonna have serious cardio problems when grappling is involved and 3) Zuffa’s in control of drug testing and jurisdiction now.
The common assumption that everyone cheats anyway within commission drug testing… what should people think guys are doing when there isnt any drug testing? There’s a huge difference when you can take stuff to recover during training camps and pushing the margins versus being able to pop anything in your mouth minutes before your fight and not having to wory about what range your levels have to be by fight time.
lotta people gonna be disappoint especially if he ever makes it into a cage against an elite mma wrestler.
You have such a broad definition of sprawl and brawl
Especially considering Overeem incorporates a lot of hip tosses. I don’t know that I entirely disagree with you on your “style revolution,” I just think your terminology is lacking. Also, a lot has yet to see about Cain too. He has some good power, but his chin isn’t exactly made of granite. He ran through Brock, but Brock’s issues have been discussed ad nauseum. Taking down Cheick Kongo at will isn’t the most impressive thing in the world. It’s really hard to say how these new heavyweights are going to pan out.
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I was just signing in to say some version of this, though less artfully
not every primary striker is a “sprawl and brawl” artist. Overeem has a pretty sick guillotine, and while not a wrestling-base guy, is a pretty complete mixed-martial artist.
I also think this rush to lump Jones and GSP into an emerging new breed of fighters is WAY premature, just like the rush to lump Brock and well, Brock into a new breed of athletic super HWs was way premature.
Jones, for now is one of a kind. Ditto GSP. They aren’t all that similar to each other and they aren’t like anyone else either.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 22, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m confused every time someone says that Cain’s chin is lacking by pointing to the Kongo fight. Kongo, partially because Cain wasn’t defending himself well enough, got blasted by shots that could have taken down a bull elephant. Then by the time he had regained lucidity he had taken Kongo down. His autonomic functions include offensive grappling maneuvers, for christsakes. Very few people can say that. The fact that he was visibly hurt by those shots shouldn’t serve as anything more than an illustration that he can hit really fucking hard. And Cain’s response should make everybody feel pretty good about his chances, even if he gets tagged.
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by Rundownloser on Mar 23, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Cain got staggered by a not-particuarly-soul-rending punch
And survived by the grace of excellent wrestling instincts and the fact that Kongo really isn’t that good. I think people are interested to see what happens when Cain gets in there against the real heavy hitters of the division (JDS, Carwin, Reem). If he survives JDS blowing up his chin, I’ll retract what I wrote. Until then, still a question mark.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 23, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
At the very least he shows some good instincts when rocked. That's definitely encouraging...
as oppose to that other guy.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 23, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh sure
He’s got great instincts, but the original commenter’s assertion that Cain’s reaction to that punch somehow proves what an awesome chin he has is just wrong. Kongo is not among the hardest hitters in the HW division, and that punch wasn’t all that special. There are guys capable of doing the same thing to him that might end it if they put him in that spot.
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by Dave Strummer on Mar 23, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like we’ll have to agree to disagree about the potency of those punches.
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by Rundownloser on Mar 23, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
For Christ’s sake everyone WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHO CAN BEAT JONES AT 205!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No right now it's about who can beat Jones at any non-LHW division
I think Jim Miller would have a pretty good chance at beating Jones at a catchweight
We should throw Pudz in there with him and we can get a snuff film out of the deal.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 22, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the catchweight
Miller beats a Jones that has to chop off both his arms to make weight.
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Who are you to decide what we are talking about?
Kittens, milk, cereal. I like purple flowers.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 23, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
From left to right on the photo array
Nope
No
Only by DQ
Maybe, but probably not
No
No
No
No
No
No
Interesting, but no
No way
Maybe, but probably not
Yes, but only if they start the fight on the ground.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Rashad.
I have a feeling that he will whoop his ass. And yes, it is completely unsubstantiated by the evidence, but there you go. I feel like Rashad can really get it done now.
You know you're a bad@ss when
people are looking for someone to beat you…
and they can’t find anyone O_O
I think Paul Harris would take home that leg in a way that Shogun could only dream of. He wouldn’t even have to change levels.
by castleeb on Mar 22, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Mr. Harris practices them kneebars for his diet. It's expected he would succeed where Shogun didn't, in that aspect.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and there's a whole lot of leg to grab
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 22, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He's at 185 though
Harris fighting Jones at 205..that’d be a big size difference.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you didn't know...
But Whales don’t have legs b/c eons ago Mr. harris’ ripped them away. Weight classes are a mere formality to him.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Must have fallen asleep during that history class
Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce Heavyweight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion, DREAM Heavyweight Champion
June 18th, 2011:
Fabricio Werdoomsday
Game Overeem
by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't blame ya.
The only cool parts are when Mr. harris rips shit off, hibernates, rips more shit off, hibernates, rinse and repeat.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have to admit though
‘The great greasing accusation of 2010’ was quite an interesting scenario.
Alistair Overeem - StrikeForce Heavyweight Champion, K-1 2010 World Grand Prix Champion, DREAM Heavyweight Champion
June 18th, 2011:
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Game Overeem
by Chris Groves on Mar 23, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Related question
Who are some notable Greco-Roman background mixed martial artists under the ZUFFA umbrella currently?
I honestly don’t really know who came from what wrestling background, aside from Jones, Randy and Dan…
Sonnen made his name at GR, although he had a fair folkstyle college career as well.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 22, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't he a multiple time NCAA runner up?
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He was something like 8th once iirc in NCAA Nationals. He was a two-time “University National Champion” (for GR) as well as the 85 kg silver medalist at the 2000 Greco-Roman World University Championships.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 22, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Sonnen has a severe case of self loathing – one of those rare opinions of oneself that are actually true. He knows he is not worthy and subconsciously undermines himself…
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by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Jon Jones will never, ever lose...
He will be better than Fedor. I loved Jon Jones since he first started 3 years ago and I thought he would never lose than. He can’t even beat himself. Jon Jones is GOD. Jones is already the G.O.A.T. How can anybody even think about him losing? All will bow to Jones like they are now
Machida has the best chance at defending the clinch takedowns.
Plus Bones’ flashy striking does leave openings that Machida’s counterstriking style can capitalize on.
Jones cut on the flashy crap against Shogun.
He only pulled the stops when he did that freakish knee at the beginning and when he had him all messed up, but other than that Jones was fairly contained.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He cut the flashy crap?
He threw a flying knee in the first 3 seconds of the fight, threw a spinning elbow that didn’t land (on top of the one that did in the clinch), and threw front kick after front kick. What’s your definition of flashy??
Not afraid to nitpick
under sized Lyoto?
as I said before we have only really seen Lyotos TDs in the Tito Ortiz fight and that doesn’t say much
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones looks good for sure.
But it is funny how quickly all of you MMA fans forget…
Machida was supposed to start a new era of holding the belt and everyone was crazy for him. He could still come back and win.
Then noone thought that Shogun deserved a title shot when he got the first one against Machida. Then Shogun beats Machida and all of the sudden Machida sucks or isn’t as good as everyone thought he was.
Now there’s Jones who has been running through guys and destroys Shogun.
I think he will lose. Who knows when but it will happen. I just hope that everyone who is crazy for this guy doesn’t change their mind the minute that someone makes him look human
by Lunchbox15 on Mar 22, 2011 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No.
It’s b/c Jones looks that much better than anyone else. Dismantling Rua adds to that mystique. He’s resembling a 23 year old Fedor Emelianenko, but one that actually cuts weight to fight at his actual weight class.
I still, for some reason, think that Rashad will beat him.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the mystic of Machidas karate that
bedazzled everyone
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't mean that he's bad
it’s just that at the time he was an unsolved puzzle and no one knew how to stop him. Now the mystic is gone
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It was something other than Wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai, Dirty Boxing, or any other era Joe Rogan has ever seen.
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Mar 22, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Couture
Shogun was a good stylistic match for him. Shogun has no takedown defense and that was the biggest thing.
Randy was putting Brock back against the cage, and I don’t see how Bones could avoid that. Sure Randys older, slower, smaller, but… he’s faced all that before and has always been game. He’s crafty and I think he could come up with a game plan similiar to what he did to Gonzaga. Bully him against the fence, dirty box him and wear him down by extending the fight. Of course Bones has sick throws, but tossing Shogun around is a lot different than tossing Captain America. I actually think Bones is an easier matchup for him then Machida stylistically, because Machida ceratinly knows how to stay away and win decisions.
I mean Machida would be tougher for Randy than Bones
just to clarify
Uh, what? I'm pretty positive Randy wouldn't even come near Jones. Hell, he was even clipped by Lesnar...
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar's hands looked better at the time, but you're right.
Jones would destroy Randy in a way that would hard to watch.
GreenHouse
He got caught by a much bigger man, but I think he'd give it the best fight
Can you really count out Randy?
But he's the only guy on the list with a proven track record...
of beating guys he had “no chance” to beat. That counts for someting.
That said, JBJ would be a massive favorite against all of these guys right now.
He's also getting way up in age. That "you can't count Randy Couture out" is Dana White's shit. You can always count him out and make a fair, logical case for it.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with most of what you're saying
But I think out of those fighters shown, I meanI don’t see anybody else that poses much of a threat at all to him.
dude...
people are saying anderson is getting up there in age. hes 36. you know how long people have been saying randy has been ‘getting up there in age’… about 10 years.
so, no, you cannot count out randy, you just cant… thats like rule # 6 of fight club, you do not count randy out of fight club
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well...
a) I counted him out against Lesnar, and he lost; b) I counted him out against Nog, and he lost, c) I counted him out against Vera, and he wasn’t to convincing in his “win,” as he himself admitted. Then he fought Coleman and won, followed by Toney.
So yeah, I can count him out all day long.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
did you count him out...
against gabriel gonzaga and tim sylvia? because he was 43 years old, and beat them prior to their collapse
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
?
I did against Timmeh, and I was wrong. I did against Gonzaga, and a freak accident saved Randy when he headbutted Gabe after a takedown (shit happens, noone’s fault) that turned the tide of the fight. Remember that had Randy not finished Gabe at that point, he’d have been forced to forfeit the fight ’cause his forearm was broken from blocking a kick.
So yeah, I’m counting him out already against Machida.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Machida is a bad matchup for him.
but I’ll never count him out!!! Shit he could be 86 yrs old and they could do a countdown show and I’ll get all nostalgic and put $100 on him lol
at this juncture
i will agree with unabomberman
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
so you know...
i predict a brutal, brutal ko win for the dragon.
but im far from counting out randy… please refer to rule # 6 of fight club
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Fight Club isn't real...
Machida’s fists are.
Though, hey, I’m on the record on this, so if Randy by some freak chance ends up winning feel free to call me up on it.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But, as Mr. Dalton would say: "Be Nice."
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
no calling out necessary
we agree on our prediction, i have a machida W penciled in as well… but you inked the victory. youve been posting on these boards long enough to know better
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Know better about what?
Note: I’m not trying to pick a fight, I just don’t know what you mean.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
no hostile tone taken
no better than to call a fight prior to its outcome. not many would have even given randy much of a chance against vitor/tito/liddell when he was 39/40. im just saying, when it comes to mma nothing is a lock. and when you through randy in as a variable of that mma equation, the one man that has defied the odds for years, it makes for an unpredictable outcome.
its reason like that that im in love with this sport, why i find it to be so pure, which is why im defending this until i eventually fall asleep at my laptop going rounds with you, or i finally get you to say “ok, its not a definite, buts its the most likely outcome”
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
throw*
not through
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, we can agree on that.
Honestly, I hope he doesn’t get smashed. I remember watching an interview with him after Lidell thoroughly smashed him and he just announced his retirement and he was crying and stuff. It was kinda moving, but I don’t wanna see Randy like that ever again, not b/c he was crying but b/c of how much in pain he looked after knowing he had just gotten thoroughly dominated in his last fight (though he later came back).
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone posted a gif in one of the other thousand Jones posts...
…but Gabe’s nose got broke by his own knee. Unless you’re talking about something else.
by black dragon on Mar 23, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
it’s different. Anderson has been practicing muay thai for ~20 years now, and fighting for 10. The kind of hard sparring that they did at Chute Boxe… that takes a toll on your body. Anderson has had over 30 MMA fights, and a few boxing/ kickboxing matches.
Randy has had less than 30 MMA fights, and wrestling is easier on the body than Muay Thai.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, 'you can't count him out' won't last forever
Think about it this way, when Randy is 56, will anyone still be saying ‘you can never count him out?’
That mantra is only going to last so long, he is slipping, he has been slipping. You can’t fight time. Randy is nearing irrelevancy with every passing day.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 22, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem there is that Randy vs Jones would be a Greco vs Greco fight, and Jones has displayed some fantastic clinchwork throughout his career. It’d be interesting to see, definitely, but I get the feeling that Randy’s cage-clinch based strategy would be stifled by Jones.
Jones does what Randy does but with more physical tools. Even a younger Randy would be hard pressed to deal with him.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
But he’s got nothing for Jones other than try to beat the younger, faster, non-impulsive young man at his own game. Had Jones had the mental fortitude of a Guillard circa two years ago, then maybe, but that’s just not the case here.
His body just can’t keep up. Against certain people, with a certain body type, he can be competitive when he manages to circumvent their striking and initiate the clinch, but against Jones? Just no.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
tell the san antonio spurs
that youth and talent beats age and experience
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Let's compare MMA to Basketball...
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, that is what i did.
i compared two things where people are athletic in respect to their age. i didnt compare it to the who playing the super bowl halftime
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The exception does not disprove the rule.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
rules dont have exceptions
that would defy the very definition of the word ‘rule’
its not a foregone conclusion, its highly likely, but you telling me winners of fights that havent happened
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes they do.
The rule is that younger, well conditioned fighters beat older, well conditioned fighters. And it has exceptions.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Show me
This rule, having trouble finding it in the unified rules or any other combat handbook
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
A few locals here seem to have their own revised versions of the URs. Most of it is about scoring/judging effectiveness, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they had this one too…
You guys know who you are…
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by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
you know whats sad?
they dont, they dont know who they are, the people you are talking about will read that and will be convinced it does not apply to them
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
What's the last fight that Couture looked good in?
And don’t say Toney. It’s been how many years since the Gonzaga fight?
I love Couture, but he’s done.
this could be true
i see a vicious KO victory for captain karate kick… but i will never rule out any fighter, least of all couture. the guy has proven us wrong for 8 years… that should mean something, you know?
im far more interested in that fight then i am the main event, and thats not because i believe gsp is going to dominate, i expect that fight to be more competitive than most are assuming. but 47 year old randy vs machida is just so god damn intriguing
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Dan Henderson
one fucking right hand of doom.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
Henderson would have a puncher’s chance but that would be all I think. Unless he incorporated his wrestling into his gameplan. Relying on the right hand only against Jones would be a huge mistake. I could see Hendo pulling it off
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
but would hendo even get a shot when his contract is up?
Not sure what the relationship is exactly with DW and Dan
Roger Gracie
i have seen him fight and the dude is pretty huge i believe he is 6’4 or 6’5
i dont know his reach tho but he has very long arms and legs
not to mention best bjj guy in the world
Fabricio Werdum vs. Jones would be very intriguing I think. Roger Gracie would be interesting too. Werdum is a better MMA fighter though so I would rather he did.
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
his name is
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by DamnSevern on Mar 22, 2011 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
He’s done so much drugs and he’s still alive and..uh…WINNING (duh!), so maybe…
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
WOLVERINES!!
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I give Machida the best shot.
Objectively speaking, Jon Jones has the take downs, submission defense and striking to take out anyone on that list. Machida is the guy who can give him the most trouble with his funky karate.
He would bully Machida
I actually think that Machida would be one of the easier fights for him in the division
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
do anyone point out how low Lyoto keeps his hands all the time
even when he’s pouncing in
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Rampage?
Lately if he loses its by decision. Could Jones finish him?
yes
rampage is easy to psych out in my humble opinion. you can get in his head, make him fight with emotion which in his case is a bad thing. if you put randy in the ring with jones all hell think about is what jones did to shogun, and what shogun did to him.
i could be wrong, anyone up there has what it takes to beat jbj, but, thats just personally how i see the fight going 9/10 times
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 22, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Ominous on Mar 22, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Davis will be the one to beat Jones
He has a long way to go with his striking before he’s ready, but I don’t see Jones stopping his wrestling when the time comes.
Machida is excellent in the clinch, but he’s also susceptible to being hit while in it and coming out of the clinch like in the Rampage and even the first Shogun fight when they would break with punches and elbows.
I would have given Randy in his prime a good chance: unlimited cardio, excellent clinchwork, great wrestling, although after the Vera fight, I don’t have much confidence in Randy’s ability to stand with anyone
Thus far, realistically, Rashad has the greatest chance of beating him: fairly good cardio, great wrestling, experience and the fact that he may know some of Jones’s tendencies from training (but it’s also a double-edged sword)
Because Jones has shown that he's susceptible to talented wrestlers?
Davis beating Jones is just a pipe dream at this point. Davis has shown a ton of potential (similar to a young Jones) but he has also shown holes in his game that Jones didn’t show as an up-and-comer. Davis has shown me nothing to indicate that he can stand for any length of time with Jones, and Jones has shown me nothing to indicate that he’s susceptible to being put on his back.
To me, Davis is similar to Jones in terms of his physicality to Jones, but not better than him at anything.
In the poll above, I voted for Roger Gracie — not because I necessarily think he could beat Jones today, or any day — but because I think it will take someone who possesses a clear advantage in some area of his game to beat Jones.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 22, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In the poll above, I voted for Roger Gracie — not because I necessarily think he could beat Jones today, or any day — but because I think it will take someone who possesses a clear advantage in some area of his game to beat Jones.
I voted for Lawal for the same reason, but I debated between him and Roger.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 22, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see that, though Lawal seems kinda Baderish to me
in that he’s got that compact, thickset wrestlers frame that Jones just seems to eat alive. I’d be really interested to see what Gracie could do with Jones on the ground. Minute form breaks that would never cost him against other guys could mean an immediate end of the fight, from what I’ve seen. Of course, short of Jones slipping on the logo, it’s really hard for me to imagine a scenario in which Roger gets him to the ground, but still, fun to think about.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 22, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Jones eats wrestlers for breakfast
just like GSP
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously? are there anyone here who have seen a phil davis fight?
he had a hard time taking down a striker in Alexander Gustavson who had no wrestling background and he struggles with TDs on lesser fighter and execute them extremely slow with no setup. Phil is a serious prospect with good credentials but he haven’t been nearly as dominate as Jones has with wrestler as he have with non wrestlers. Davis is devoloping in a much slower pace then Jones fight for fight and he’s 26, his roof is much lower then Jones
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil Davis do have impressive pure wrestling
but when it comes to mma wrestling he isn’t even close to Jones
by Mohammedini Hussein on Mar 22, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Davis doesn’t seem to have the incredibly explosive shot that Jones has shown.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s funny that everyone still talks shit on Jones for being overhyped yet everyone is crowning Phil Davis as the champ in 2013 at the latest and nobody ever says anything about him being overhyped.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Mar 23, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not Rashad
When Rashad entered the cage to talk about challenging Jones for the title, it was obvious that there is a huge size difference between the two. If Jones looked “a whole weight class bigger than Shogun” then he looks almost two classes bigger than Rashad. Jones will pepper Evans from range and hurt him early. Rashad has a slim chance of making it out of the first round, let alone beating Jones.
Any wrestler that is better then JBJ
and is willing to come in amd get tagged a bit. I think potentially Rashad can beat him and Phil davis. I also hear a small wierd arguemnt for forrest if his chin is better because I think from back forrest is a decent fighter, on his feet his chin is weak but I think he has a decent reach, yet sorta slow.. but beinga bjj black belt he can offer something to a ground fight. The same way before UFC 104 machida was a god who never lost a round, I don’t think JBJ dosent ahave a weakness that can’t be explioted.
ps : Sterling Archer nice handle
by Joshro on Mar 22, 2011 10:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nope no one. I honestly feel that UFC’s entire LHW either needs to cut down to 185, or just plane retire if they are pass the age of 27 (Rua proved that being at the elderly age of 28, is way to fucking old). Most of UFC’s Light Heavies are either to fat with love handles or pudge sticking out from unflattering areas (Machida, Ortiz, Shogun, Griffin, Rampage,etc) which is evidence that they could shed some weight and maybe. Honestly it doesnt matter if you get LHWs, or Heaves, Bones Jones would destroy them all.He is to MMA what Michael Jordan was to basketball, we are on a new frontier of fighting and honestly everyone but him and Anderson are dinosaurs. And with that Jones is going to make every fighter he faces (the entire division) extinct
One headbutt and the fight is done. I take Ortiz by Glorious KO and instant disqualification.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is soooo slow nowadays
and is extremely predictable.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
If Tito was 100%, he'd beat Jones
Just Breed!
by ScoreCardOTN on Mar 22, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, replace "Jones" with "Machida" and this thread would not be out of place in 2009
Including the premature burying of an entire division when an undefeated phenom with an original style takes the belt. Do we learn nothing at all every time this cycle works its way through?
El Santo inspired me to be a submission grappler.
by Enmascarado on Mar 22, 2011 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Some might call me weird
But Thiago Silva and Lyoto Machida have the best chances to beat him.
by ANDERSONS GOT THE JUICE on Mar 22, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
I went with Thiago Silva. Why the fuck not? I’m going with the guy that has shocking punching power since right now I’m in full “drinking the kool-aid” mode and think that the only way any of the guys on that list beat Jones is to land a flush shot before he starts doing whatever he wants.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 22, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
Hey brent
Do you know the day The showtime contract is up? Is Overeem on it? You think we have any chance in seeing him in the Octagon in the next year or two? Maybe in time to get Jones at HW.
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~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
I honestly don’t know. I have some contacts at Showtime, I should see if I can get some info
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 22, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice
Because that would be epic!
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
juiced up thiago, maybe
my back hurts thiago, no chance in hell
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Thiago wasn't juiced...just half-juiced.
Anyone know how the other sample came back?
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thiago Silva
has “shocking” punching power? If you’re gonna go with straight power, might as well go with Rampage.
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Randy Couture
Will beat Jones and then retire after TKO’ing Machida.
by SkeezinSteevin on Mar 22, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
You forgot to add the sarcastic font
Someone will take you serious.lol
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
I am 100% serious...
if that happened I would write one last article and be done with the sport of MMA forever. Not because I were upset or because I dislike Jones or anything but because there’s not going to be a better story than that. I’d be happy…it’d be done for me.
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 22, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think your writing career is safe.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 22, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
i'm holding you to that
If anyone gives you 10000 to 1 odds on anything, you take that bet.
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
If John Mellancamp ever wins an Oscar, I will be a very rich man.
"Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness... give me truth."
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1968-1992
by T.C. Engel on Mar 22, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Man
This gets me all sorts of excited :)
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
Ray Lewis
Will be the man to stop him!!!!
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
The only man that can stop Jon Jones.
"Okay, I stay clever like Mayweather, will lay leather 'til your face sever, one of the greatest ever." -- Big Daddy Kane
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 41-0-0 (25 KOs)
Boxing Top 5: Mayweather, Dawson, Martinez, JM Marquez, Cotto
MMA Top 5: Penn, Rampage, The Spider, Yasubey, Mayhem
K-1 Top 5: Overeem, Jienotsu, Masato, Buakaw, Zambidis
i'm beginning to think theres only one thing that can take him out
FALCON PUNCH
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Jones isn't teen pregnant so you lose.
by Unabomberman on Mar 22, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahaha...
oh shit…hahahahahahaha.
Nope. Bones' Batterang Elbow would null that Punch.
The only man that can touch Bones.
"Okay, I stay clever like Mayweather, will lay leather 'til your face sever, one of the greatest ever." -- Big Daddy Kane
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 41-0-0 (25 KOs)
Boxing TOP 5: Mayweather, Donaire, S. Martinez, JM Marquez, M. Cotto
MMA TOP 5: A. Silva, Hendo, Rampage, Bones, Nick Diaz
K-1 TOP 5: Overeem, Jienotsu, Masato, Buakaw, Zambidis
I know of someone who has lots of cardio and knows a shitload of martial arts
Might just revive JMMA!
by Unabomberman on Mar 23, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
He taught Machida "Dragon Feet"
He taught Vitor Belfort “Stone Hands”.
He taught Shogun Rua “Fatal Steps”, although that’s illegal outside of PRIDE.
My money would be on either one of these two, although I grant that it would have to be open weight...
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know the first one is Thanos, but who the fuck is that other clown?
by Unabomberman on Mar 23, 2011 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Originally Algrim (a dark elf) he was made into Kurse by the Beyonder to enable him to satisfy his desire (killing Thor, who he wrongly thought was responsible for his previous condition). Later renamed Valgoth (or something close to that) when he lived in Asgard. Has more than 4x the strength of Thor.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
What about...?
The Beyonders? Or Death? Eternity?
either way im Rec’ing that shit due to my comic book hard on
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Figured I’d limit it to those with physical bodies.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
im tempted to make a fan post called...
called ‘ronin and archer disregard mma and talk about comic books’
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I like it.
If you really want some fun with it, start a “Marvel is better than DC” discussion with DC fan Chris Barton (nee Vegas Batman). Fair warning though, he is a mod here, although not an overly ban happy one.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
....
what’s ‘DC’?
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
That might be a good way to start it…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That's sad
Winner of Machida Couture is winning.
I know MMA math doesn’t work, but damn Shogun beat Machida twice and look at what Jones did to him. And well, Randy is old, Jones would STEAMROLL him. I didn’t know who to pick. Maybe, just maybe, a very focused 100% on his wrestling game King Mo could eel out a dec, but I still doubt it. This guy will be champ fir a while, folks.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
It’s about time you came to your fucking senses, I’ve been telling you this shit for a while now.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
by Garrett Bennicas
Hey man I love Shogun and thought he had a chance. That went out the freaking window. =/
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 23, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
People are going to laugh at me for saying this, but if Shogun could get back into good shape and win a few fights (assuming this is even possible with his knee) I’d be interested in seeing him take another crack at Jones. First, he’s proven how tough and durable he is – his tap out and the end of the fight has to be the least pussy tap out to strikes in MMA history. Second, he’s got unbelievable killer instinct and multiple tools to finish. Finally, with the Machida fights, he proved that he has a talent for game planning. Assuming Shogun could get healthy and is not mentally broken from the first fight, I’d be interested in seeing what he could come up with for a rematch.
I couldnt never laugh
at anybody for saying sho has a chance. I rewatched it IMHO dont think he tapped it seemed to look like he was just hitting the mat a few time like" oh damn". I know hitting the mat a few times is tapping but it looked like it was just after the ref stopped it when Jones was already standing up. But I can’t call anybody out for tapping to a professional fighters strikes because I havnt been there and felt it so I cant say shit. But myself I would never tap to a pro mma fighters strikes not even the uber knea simply for the fact I couldnt tap while uncouncious lol. I kid I kid
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
wow
That was a horrible display of english lol
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
I think it was the shots to the liver that led to the tap, knowing he had no way to recover in time.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He most definitely tapped, sorry.. but the ref was already in the process of stopping it, so it was redundant.
I’m normally not a fan but I have no problem with this one, because he had taken a shit ton of damage and was quite clearly done.
by Horselover Fat on Mar 23, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m all for fandom, but making an assessment as such while ignoring everything that you just saw is foolhardy. You know you have Shogun blinders on when you’re declaring moral victory on tapping in “the least pussy” [sic] manner. I’m a Shogun fan, and you’re post was hard to read.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 22, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
IMHO
Nobody’s a pussy for tapping to anything, these are pros man shit hurts.
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
well then there’s no reason to declare him the least pussy-ish. Whatever you think of the other taps, that’s what Shogun’s tap was. It was no different.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 22, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
ummm
I didnt declare him least puusyish that would be jahbolon
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our English dead! In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."
~William Shakespeare
"War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."
~George S. Patton, Jr.
"The times we laughed, the times we cried, the times we fought and even lied, when the shit hits the fan and rounds spark up and fly. I am your brother as you are mine."
~Sgt. R. Jones R.I.P You will not be forgotten U.S.M.C Semper Fidelis
disagree
gsp/brock were pussy tap outs, in my opinion. not to fire up the old ‘did brock or didnt brock’ debate, because its not even a debate. he verbally submitted. i even like brock, that shit was hard to watch… ‘baddest man on the planet’ yelling stop 3 or 4 times. Dana said it himself….
so yes, in my useless opinion, degrees of tapping do exist, and i further more agree the shoguns tapping to strikes was ‘the least pussy’ ive ever seen. i didnt have a dog in that fight. i had a $50 bet on bones to win, but either guy winning in my opinion was good for the sport and i would have been happy with it. fan of both, fan of good fights. i could barely watch the end of that fight. when shogun got up for the final time and backed into the cage i was begging for the fight to be stopped… i couldnt take seeing that done to shogun, for him to be manhandled and hurt so badly. so his tap, while not honorable for a chute boxer, was needed in my book…. he was in serious danger, serious serious danger.
gsp/brock (and others im sure im forgetting) gave up in my opinion.
my useless (emphasis ALL mine) opinon
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you rather a fighter continue on and get severe damage that will put them out of commission for long periods of time and shorten their fighting careers? It is smart to tap in some cases. Rua’s tap was completely justified IMO. He was physically done and would have only taken more damage.
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
completely agree there
shoguns was justified, he could do no more. gsp…maybe… he had taken considerably less damage than shogun, and was likely to be KO’d shortly… brocks to me was unacceptable… and i love me some viking beard. i wanted brock to be an animal… but hes… just… not. i commend him for trying, but damn man… ‘the baddest man of the planet’ cannot yell stop in a fight, you just cant.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that there's a spectrum of tapping quality...
I was just referring to this guy commenting that he can’t call anybody a pussy for tapping and for the other guy saying that Shogun’s tapping was manly.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 23, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a Shogun fan. I just think the fact that he’s already fought Jones for an extended period of time and has shown a talent for game planning would make a second fight intriguing. One of the challenges of fighting Jones is how unique he is, thus a fighter facing him in a rematch would have an advantage that no one who has faced Jones has had. And, if you are going to look at it from the perspective that a rematch with someone could offer something different, why not go with the best game planner Jones has faced to date? As far as him tapping out, I just feel that there is a continuum of tapping out to strikes with Shannon Rich at one end and Shogun tapping out to Jones near the other end.
Anyway, I apologize for my hyperbole in extolling Shogun’s toughness, clearly it is distracting from the point I wanted to make.
No, I got your point. Shogun literally had nothing for Jones. The great footwork that we saw from as recently as the Machida fight, the attitude, the trademark stretching his arms out after avoiding an attack were gone. I don’t think he’ll ever be the same. I hope I’m wrong, but combined 3rd knee surgery + that asskicking he just got don’t bode well for him.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 22, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Minowaman make 205?
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
by SSreporters on Mar 22, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Minowaman NEVER DIE!
"Okay, I stay clever like Mayweather, will lay leather 'til your face sever, one of the greatest ever." -- Big Daddy Kane
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 41-0-0 (25 KOs)
Boxing TOP 5: Mayweather, Donaire, S. Martinez, JM Marquez, M. Cotto
MMA TOP 5: A. Silva, Hendo, Rampage, Bones, Nick Diaz
K-1 TOP 5: Overeem, Jienotsu, Masato, Buakaw, Zambidis
Rec for you sir. Rec for you.
"Okay, I stay clever like Mayweather, will lay leather 'til your face sever, one of the greatest ever." -- Big Daddy Kane
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 41-0-0 (25 KOs)
Boxing TOP 5: Mayweather, Donaire, S. Martinez, JM Marquez, M. Cotto
MMA TOP 5: A. Silva, Hendo, Rampage, Bones, Nick Diaz
K-1 TOP 5: Overeem, Jienotsu, Masato, Buakaw, Zambidis
Pssh! Lies!
"Okay, I stay clever like Mayweather, will lay leather 'til your face sever, one of the greatest ever." -- Big Daddy Kane
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 41-0-0 (25 KOs)
Boxing TOP 5: Mayweather, Donaire, S. Martinez, JM Marquez, M. Cotto
MMA TOP 5: A. Silva, Hendo, Rampage, Bones, Nick Diaz
K-1 TOP 5: Overeem, Jienotsu, Masato, Buakaw, Zambidis
by Ryan Tical on Mar 22, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
i have a feeling bones will get gsp v serra 1'd
clipped with a shot get beat and come back even more domiminent
Fine! I'll go build my own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack.
PRIDE fan boy
I hope this doesn't happen
Or else 205 will be completely pointless and whoever does “Serra” Jon Jones will be crippled in the rematch.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
by SSreporters on Mar 23, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It will definitely happen at some point, it does to everyone…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
that was suppose to happen...
against shogun. from now on that will be brought up before every one of his fights
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Aldo at 205
Or Reem vs. Jones at heavy. Either way that cocky bible thumping brainwash boy is getting taken to the cleaners.
Aldo would really have to put in some time at the food court
to make 205, but I admire you’re spirit.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 23, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
No need to insult the guy. As a fellow non believer I think you’re goung way overbiard. Let the guy preach his stuff, he isn’t being negative.
by Unabomberman on Mar 23, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
*overboard*
Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgh….stupid typos!
by Unabomberman on Mar 23, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The more I think about it, the better chance I give Rashad. He’s the only person on the list who has experience with Jones reach and style. I’m sure they spared a lot, and Rashad won’t be surprised by it. He also fought and won against Brad Imes who has long reach too.
Machidas sumo background, footwork and excellent clinch ability makes a fight with Jones interesting. He would also be able to capitalize on Jones sloppy sticking in a more precise way with his karate.
Phils wrestling, grappling and suffocating top control would could wear Jones out after a couple rounds.
Rampage has an IRON chin and great boxing. If Jones had trouble finishing him, he could come back to win. Same goes for Griffin.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Mar 23, 2011 12:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jones would dismantle Rampage and RaShad,
"Okay, I stay clever like Mayweather, will lay leather 'til your face sever, one of the greatest ever." -- Big Daddy Kane
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fan since 7/12/97 — 41-0-0 (25 KOs)
Boxing TOP 5: Mayweather, Donaire, S. Martinez, JM Marquez, M. Cotto
MMA TOP 5: A. Silva, Hendo, Rampage, Bones, Nick Diaz
K-1 TOP 5: Overeem, Jienotsu, Masato, Buakaw, Zambidis
Oh I think Jones wins against Rampage and Evans eventually, but I’m just putting out possible scenarios.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Mar 23, 2011 12:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
....
He’s the only person on the list who has experience with Jones reach and style. I’m sure they spared a lot, and Rashad won’t be surprised by it. He also fought and won against Brad Imes who has long reach too.
This works the other way around, too. Jones should know Evans’ wrestling habits and uh…..training is different from actual fighting.
Brad Imes is not Jon Jones in the slightest. And even then Evans gassed in that fight.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
by SSreporters on Mar 23, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I know. Imes is nowhere near Jones level. I’m not saying Evans will win, but I’m saying his experience with sparring with Jones and fighting Imes gives him a the unique advantage (over the rest of the 205ers) of experience in fighting ppl with freakishly long limbs.
Are our bones not dust?
Is our Blood not Poison?
On my knees in the black light
Praying for Salvation, bitter Redemption
So throw your dice and cast your shadow
You may look away
But your children will not...
by ProfessorBLove on Mar 23, 2011 12:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Another thing here
Is I guarantee Greg Jackson is aware of this and will have a completely different gameplan for Evans simply known as “Operation Mindf*ck” .
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
Jackson is not coaching Jones, so Operation Mindf*ck might just go the other way.
by Unabomberman on Mar 23, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
dont believe what you read
jackson will coach jones, he will keep the lhw belt in the jackson camp right next to the ww belt. if evans didnt leaveim sure this would have been true… all bets are now off.
it would be foolish not to coach him, now that evans defectedand publicly insulted both jones and jackson.
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree
Had Rashad stayed, Jackson would have stepped back, now, I seriously doubt it.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
complete and utter speculation
but im buying it all day, whether they admitt it openly or not (doubt they will) i believe jackson will be coachin jbj through this
Jonny Bench called.
by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The funny thing is, and
I’m not one who sees conspiracies everywhere (you know, just where they actually are), but I can’t shake the nagging feeling that some of the animosity we are seeing between Evans and Jones wasn’t a bit pre-planned.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought the same thing
but the post fight interview in the cage was clearly uncomfortable, cant help but think that it is that way due to it being a reality…
but its possible that it was uncomfortable because theyre both bad at selling a work
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The real question is how long can Jones keep making the cut to 205 before it starts to physically affect him? This kid is huge and only 23, I say give it no more than 2 years and he will have trouble cutting without losing muscle.
He claimed to be in the 214-221 range at various times in his recent camps, if that is his pre-cut weight now he will be fine for a while. Everyone is different, but generally speaking 230-235 is probably the ceiling for someone at LHW doing a proper weight cut without it affecting their performance.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions
i said the same thing...
way, way WAY up there ^
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
the most likey person is Machida
his foot work can cause frustration to Jones. his back peddling and counter striking in attack,attack,stop…attack attack stop is like fencing strikes. Lyoto can get someone like anderson to imitate some of those ackward long range strikes thrown by jones. and machida does have sumo background and good cardio and tough (considering all those leg kicks from shogun in first fight, he only got knocked out in the second fight for going in not being countered that got him.)
then again we haven’t seen jones be tagged by a heavyhitter before can his chin take a shot from someone like rampage or a kind of shot rashad did on chuck?
No one will be a favorite for the next our or five years but...
a few guys would have a solid chance.
1.Machida has a style that cound confound him and maybe get the tko or just outpoint.
2.Phil Davis in about 18-24 months could be your best best.
3.Anderson somehow decides to move up to prove a point.
4.If Roger Gracie ends up being the beast I think he may, he could be a potential problem too.
devils advocate, though i like your thought process
1. jones reach will nullify machidas elusive style
2. real talk
3. jones is match up kryptonite for anderson (and im a AS nuthugger)
4. no striking game
its gonna take another new age mixed martial artist to dethrone jones, or an old dog will have to call upon lady luck. jones has got the tools, the talent, the drive, and the family/religion to keep him grounded and motivated through the fame and hype. im in love with the kids abilities… just wish he was brazilian and ed soares translated for him. people may laugh at this but im serious. every now and again i stop and wonder if we would all like him better if he didnt speak english and we never heard the egotistical shit coming out of his mouth because he had someone like ed editing what he was saying so he doesnt sound like a sack full of squishy douches
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is the guy to beat Jones I thinks. I’d love that fight. Fedor closes distance so well with guys that have reach advantage over him, his samba is the perfect defense against the greco Judo type throws, and they’re roughly the same size. Eegads I’d love to see Fedor fight Jones. That would be insane.
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i would love to see this fight
old legend first born star. however fedor will never fight in ufc due to the co-promo crap with M1. once his contract is up it will not be renewed, same with barnett and daley.
i hope i am wrong on this, i hope you dig this quote up down the road and rub it in my face with the fire of a thousand ‘i told you so’s’
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
With impeding NFL and NBA lockouts
I’m interested in seeing other ultra athletic guys try their hands at MMA. D-League guys like Gerald Green and James with their 48’ and 46’ vertical leaps. As MMA goes forward I think we’ll see Jon Jones type athletes as norms rather than anomalies.
tell me who would go from making 20MIL a year to maybe making 2MIL and getting punched in the face for it?
Most guys in the NFL don’t make $20M, though. They make a million or two, at best. And pretty much none of the NBA guys would fare well in MMA, they’d look like Struve and get bambi’ed constantly.
Yeah Struve's tall, but he's not strong or athletic
And it’s not just tall guys. You have guys like Allen Iverson who are about 6’0 but have amazing quickness, athleticism and footwork.
Guys in D-Leagues
who makes $12,000-$20,000 a year who couldn’t make the NBA and want to make a living out of their athletic gifts
ill do it now
im a motherfucking secret agent
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
but i will say this, so far the hype is as close to justification as we have ever seen, no? not since fedor in his prime have we had something like this to talk about. which was a long time ago, because the last fight i recall fedor being relevant in was against cro cop….. when HE was relevant… circa 2005ish?
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
weight cutting
Jon Jones should not be competing at light heavy…How big he is compared to his opponents is just wrong, its not fair…Shogun is a natural 205 pounder and he looked like a lightweight beside Jon Jones…Jones being in the 205lbs weight class is completely killing that whole division….205 is perfect for fighters like rampage, rashad, machida, thiago sivla etc, but you throw jon jones in there and it completely kills the whole division just because of the sheer size and power advantage he has over everyone…There needs to be a 220-225 weight division…Anthony Johnson is another example, when hes not fighting he weighs over 220 and he cuts 50lbs to make 170!!!! Same with Thiago Alves…These guys get their asses beat in one division, and instead of improving and giving it another shot, they back out and drop 20lbs in order to beat guys half their size down…Anthony Johnson can’t even make 170 yet everyone sings his praises when he visciously KO’s guys half his size who actually made their weight…Fight someone your own size!!!
Weight cutting is here to stay in combat sports. Jones is perhaps 220-225 max in the cage. He seems huge next to guys that don’t really cut weight (Shogun, Machida, Rashad), but his low BF% and height make him appear larger than he is.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
by The American Ronin on Mar 23, 2011 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.headkicklegend.com/
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd cuz I don't know wtf iceman is talking about.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Mar 23, 2011 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions
He's whining
about fighters who cut alot of weight, saying they have an unfair advantage, and that it “completely kills the whole division”.
As long as you make weight, I could give 2 shits about how much weight you cut. The only weights that matter are what’s on the scale, and what you walk into the cage/ ring at.
It’s all moot though, considering that Jones has never missed weight. And although he’s a big LHW, his size is exaggerated. Yes, he has long limbs and a built upper body, but he also has toothpick legs. A huge amount of your mass is carried in your legs, and with Jones’ long skinny legs he’s carrying alot less weight in his lower half. I wouldn’t say he’s significantly bigger than Forrest, Rampage, or Feijao.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 23, 2011 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions
As a good as Jones is...
I want to take nothing away from him. But he still has some serious flaws in his game. Look at how many times Shogun trapped his arm from guard and its not as if he is known for having a world class guard. He has only beaten 1 elite fighter.
Again with this? Only reason Shogun trapped his arm was because Jones wanted him to. It opened up Vera to big time shots, and the exact same thing happened to Shogun… Jones puts arm on shoulder, opponent focuses on arm, Jones cracks big left hand or elbow to opponent’s face. Rinse, and repeat. It’s not a flaw, it’s a tactic, and it’s working, big time.
completely agree
jones is baiting when hes doing this, and his long limbs are actually helping this process rather than making it easier to get subbed like many (me included) thought. this became evident when shogun threw up a triangle attempt that he could barely even cross his feet on, never mind lock tight… the guy is just to long to sub like that.
jbj has potential to be a god, potential. think about it this way… if you were able to create a fighter, from scratch, im certain without knowing it you would create bones’ body structure. its just perfect for what needs to get done.
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
sigh
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 23, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m confused, where’s Leonard Garcia? We all know that he’s got more than a shot at beating anyone; he’s proven that many times recently.
thats way up near the top, i said it as soon as this article was posted
look for the green with 20+ rec’s
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
couture???? is anyone serious? if i hear “couture” and “gameplan” in the same sentence again i might scream.
please stop with the endless couture nonsense. after machida schools him i really hope he just goes away only so i dont keep coming across the nuthuggery….its really really ridiculous.
jones is a new kind of fighter. if hashad doesnt figure him out it will be a while until someone does…but like everyone else, it will happen eventually
i think couture would lose the fight....
but are you saying your giving couture less of a chance than everyone else on the list… because i think thats foolish.
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
well, since you missed it, let me repeat myself:
“if hashad doesnt figure him out it will be a while until someone does…but like everyone else, it will happen eventually”
That implies that i don’t see anyone else on that list beating him right now, except, PERHAPS hashad evans…..
and yes, i do think couture has less of a chance…who cares what he did 4 years ago? and besides, couture didn’t even deserve that decision against Vera. Did you even see that fight? do you honestly think handy deserved that decision? his ENTIRE fight consisted of having most of his takedowns stuffed and holding vera against the fence…after seeing Jones embarrass a solid wrestler like Bader and then obliterate a great striker like Shogun, do you honestly think couture has a chance in hell against Jones???
please tell me why this is foolish
have a nice day
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
tone unnecessary
i agree with 90% of your thought process, and im honestly not a randy nuthugger, i just have a large amount of respect for what hes been able to do at his age. not only do i believe he would lose to jones, i have him getting KO’d in a brutal fashion by machida. however, the guy has a track record for pulling off the impossible. did he win the vera fight on my score card, no, no he didnt. but i recall alot of people saying he would lose to vitor, liddell, ortiz, sylvia and gonzaga because he was old. yes, that was a long time ago, yes, hes even older now.
my point is that our reasoning (mine included) back then was old, so he didnt satnd a chance. thats the reasoning in this fight as well. anything can happen, i give him just as much a chance as anyone else on the list. that chance is a very small one, just like everyone else on my the list. but its still a chance, no fight is a foregone conclusion.
my day will be better than nice, it will be totally ninja.
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by Sterling Archer on Mar 23, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions
Rashad
I said Rashad because of that list, he’s the only one with good wrestling, speed and boxing. With that said, there’s like 0.00000001% chance of him even keeping that fight close. I expect a total blowout, and probably another nice chicken dance to happen.
Roger Gracie
Because JJ has shit jiu-jitsu and you won’t see Roger dropping down half-assedly for unlikely kneebars…
If JJ has shit jiu-jitsu, what does that make of Shogun’s jiu-jitsu? JJ saw everything Shogun was attempting a mile away.
Tough Choice...
But i would say Rampage or Anderson. Jones has great top control and takedowns, so i dont really see him getting submitted or decisioned. I think the way he will end up losing is getting clipped by a strong striker.
"You hear people say, 'You're the greatest,' and all this stuff. It's BS. It's fake, it's all fake. You've just got to keep training as hard as you can. The only thing real is the fight, everything else is fake." - BJ Penn
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