UFC 128 Results: Shogun Rua vs. Jon Jones Recap and Analysis
Whatever questions were left about Jon Jones' ability to handle elite competition were answered tonight. Jones didn't just beat up Mauricio Rua in the main event of UFC 128. He manhandled him. He embarrassed him. Rua, once the celebrated wunderkind himself, never had a moment of control in the bout.
The direction of the bout was never in question, but the turning point came around the three-minute mark in the first round. Rua was working to his feet along the fence. Jones threw a damaging knee to the body, timed "Shogun's" ascent to his feet, and unleashed a hybrid knee/kick that landed flush on Rua's jaw. The effects were immediate. "Shogun" stumbled around the Octagon, in that critical state-of-being where the threat of being finished hangs heavy in the air.
Somehow he survived to hear the horn to end round one. He looked to have recovered in the opening stages of round two, but he still hadn't figured out an answer for his stronger, longer, and more athletic challenger. As Jones continued to have his way with the champion, my friend turned to me and said, "It looks like it's just a matter of time." I couldn't disagree.
"Shogun" survived through the second round as well, but it became tougher and tougher to conjure a situation that ended with him raising his hand at the end of the night. His movement became more deliberate, more labored, more of an effort. Some may blame the ten months that he spent rehabilitating his traitorous knee, but it's also important to note that taking an ass kicking will take a lot out of you, as well.
The end came halfway into the third round. Rua's ability to defend himself off his back diminished, allowing Jones to eschew short, chopping elbows in favor of long, strong punches from guard. "Shogun" continued to fight, eventually working his way back to his feet, but displaying the symptoms of a heavy onset of the "Patrick Kane flu." Jones pounced, and landed a knee that put the former Pride champion down for good.
Jones victory was so dominant, so persuasive that looking past his expected bout with Rashad Evans, past the entire light heavyweight division is a natural reaction. With the manner that he's dominated the entire light heavyweight division thus far, what can we expect Evans, a smaller, less complete wrestler to offer? How can we expect a passive, soft-hitting Lyoto Machida to threaten him? Can an unevolved Quinton Jackson even keep up?
The question now about Jones isn't if but when he'll challenge for the heavyweight title. With a 6'4" frame and a walk-around weight already approach 230 pounds, there's no doubt that a 23-year-old fighter with such proven athletic genes will one day find himself competing among the giants of the sport.
And now one must consider if the most interesting superfight in the UFC isn't between Anderson Silva and Georges St. Pierre, but rather Silva and Jonny "Bones" Jones.
- I'm not sure it would have changed the course of the fight, "Shogun's" decision to drop for leg locks twice with back control can be seen as nothing other than monumental mistakes. With such a huge disparity in effectiveness, I can appreciate the fact that Rua felt he needed to take risks in order to win the bout, but he would have been much better off trying to jump on Jones' back to get his hooks in versus giving up position for a very low percentage submission attempt.
- More than anything else, it was the size and strength disparity that made the biggest difference in the fight. Once again, Jones placed his right arm straight on the shoulder of his opponent while in full guard. Unlike Brandon Vera, Mauricio Rua made a concentrated effort to isolate the arm in order to attempt armbars, triangles, and other submissions, but Jones' length, strength, and base was able to keep Rua at bay. Just overwhelming physical gifts at play.
- It feels redundant to say it, but Jones' performance tonight is deserving of all sorts of adjectives like "brilliant" and "masterful." It's become difficult to criticize descriptions of his career as hyperbolic.
More UFC 128 thoughts and event awards after the jump.
- Urijah Faber will need a more impressive performance if he expects to beat Dominick Cruz at 135 pounds. He gutted out a win tonight over Eddie Wineland, who many expected wouldn't last longer than a round in the Octagon with Faber. It's arguable that Faber hasn't had a spectacular win since his victory over Jens Pulver at WEC 34, just under three years ago. And considering how Pulver has looked in the wake of that fight...
- Jim Miller: manly. A very impressive performance tonight against Kamal Shalorus. If a title shot isn't in the cards, the man needs a serious step up in competition. The lightweight division is in a tricky spot at the moment with guys moving around in weight and scheduling tracks.
- Speaking of Miller, the image of him crying backstage hit struck me pretty hard. His brother Dan's first child would have been two today. Those boys both made a lot of fans for life tonight. Good on them.
- Speaking of Dan Miller, while he had spirited moments, I didn't feel like he was competitive at any point of the bout. Nate Marquardt is bigger, stronger, and faster version of Miller, and that showed through tonight. Miller threatened with a couple of guillotines, but seemed overmatched throughout.
- Dana White said Mirko Cro Cop fought his last fight in the Octagon tonight. He looked more competitive tonight than I expected him to, but that's a hard decision to argue. Cro Cop's been knocked out cold three times since making his UFC debut in 2007, and beaten into submission in another fight. His most impressive win in that period is over Pat Barry, a one-dimensional kickboxer who gave him the fight after knocking him down twice in the first round.
- Josh Gross said on Twitter that he's giving Brendan Schaub a higher ceiling after tonight's performance. I'm not sure if Gross just had an absurdly low opinion of Schaub's abilities coming in to the event, but there wasn't much that stood out to me here outside of the final knockout blow. I expected Schaub to manhandle Cro Cop in the cage, but he was at risk of losing a decision (due to a point deduction in round two) if he hadn't finished the fight late in round three. The win should solidify his place in the top 15 of the division, but it doesn't raise his status in my eyes.
- Mike Chiappetta on Twitter: "That second shot by Schaub on a grounded Cro Cop is not gonna help us get MMA legalized in New York, I'll tell you that." Not sure I agree with the sentiment. The statement insinuates that Schaub should have made an effort to hold back after knocking Cro Cop to the mat. Fighters train to fight until the referee steps in. I felt the same way about Dan Henderson's "extra" shot on Michael Bisping at UFC 100. Also, I don't believe that the violent nature inherent in the sport is what's causing the delay in New York state. Politics are at play here, not a revulsion to brutality.
- Eliot Marshall? Confirmed orthodox fighter.
- Fun fight between Edson Barboza and Anthony Njokuani. It looked to me like Barboza had a hard time handling Njokuani's range and aggression. Njokuani put on a spirited performance, but his limitations as a fighter are going to continue to haunt him going forward.
Fighter of the Night
(Photo by Al Bello/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC via Getty Images)
This was an event built around the coronation of Jon Jones. He returned from fighting six weeks ago to completely and totally dominate one of the elite fighters in the sport. Jones' future shines bright, and we might have our first undisputed title defense since Quinton Jackson defeated Dan Henderson at UFC 75.
Moment of the Night
I alluded to it in the rundown. Jim Miller's older brother, Dan, fought right before Jim, losing a unanimous decision in a tough fight with Nate Marquardt. Dan's story is well-known: he and his wife lost a daughter and their year-old son has health problems of his own. Watching Jim's emotions in the wake of victory is one of the most touching moments I've seen in relation to the sport of MMA.
Mike Goldberg Line of the Night

"Slip and rip."
I caught this during the broadcast, but thanks to Matt Bishop for reminding me of it on Twitter. Because MMA needs more phrases with two rhyming words conjoined by "and." To be fair, I thought Goldberg was the less-annoying of the men in the broadcast booth tonight, though I set the bar absurdly low for him.
Entrance Song of the Night
As if the Miller brothers aren't badass enough for being tough as nails and putting on entertaining fights, they come out to a pair of Creedence Clearwater Revival songs. Jim went with "Bad Moon Rising" (above) while Dan opted for "Run Through the Jungle." Both excellent choices.
The Chopping Block
Despite Dana White's assurance that Zuffa needs more fighters, there's no margin for error in the UFC. It only takes one loss to find a pink slip waiting for you on Monday morning. Who's on the Chopping Block?
Raphael Assuncao
Constantinos Philippou
Eliot Marshall
Mirko Filipovic (CHOPPED!)
Kamal Shalorus
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James Toney, is that you?
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
by CasualMMAFan on Mar 20, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
imagitchaprincess
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Still prefer GSP vs Silva myself.
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by Goonisis on Mar 20, 2011 3:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I would also like to say that I said Jones needed to earn the same kind of respect Shogun has from us. Jones doesn’t have the career depth of Shogun at this point, but he’s certainly earned our respect, and his comments have all been justified.
Jones looked like an animal and I look forward to his fight with Rashad.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones earned your respect?
I’m sure sure his countless hours of sparring, grappling, bjj, cardio, and strength training has finally gotten what he wanted! ElliotMathenys “respect” haha
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by lawdawgfightcrew on Mar 20, 2011 3:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Obviously I respect all these guys,
but to really considered great, you have to go out there and beat great fighters.
For what it’s worth, I now respect Jon Jones as an elite fighter, capable of beating the best. His actions have justified his talk.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed,
Me & him still aren’t gonna facebook friends though.
The catching a purse snatcher thing is pretty awesome though.
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by the-gentle-way on Mar 20, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*gonna be
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by the-gentle-way on Mar 20, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it wouldn't be a smart fight for Anderson
anderson’s biggest weakness is wrestling, Jon’s biggest strangth is wrestling, not to mention the fact that Jones is much bigger and stronger than anderson
He's already said he doesn't want to fight Jones.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Jones is on fire right now, and is a horrible matchup for Anderson.
The GSP fight is more compelling to me, anyways. Those are two guys who have actually defended their belts. Let Jones establish some dominance within his own division before we call for matches outside of it.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s funny how people think that it’s Anderson’s obligation to fight at LHW, and if he doesn’t want to fight there, he’s scared.
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Mar 20, 2011 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Anderson doesn’t have a LHW body. He did fine against Griffin & Irvin, who he could lure into brawling; Jones wouldn’t be so easy.
This is a guy who has weighed in well under the 185 limit, and started his career at 170.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want to fight Jones either.
But its funny how Anderson will fight the smaller guy in GSP but he wants no part of the bigger guy in Jones. Anderson is scared and I would be too.
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I think that you’re silly. Silva made it clear that he doesn’t want to fight at 205 long ago.
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Mar 20, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
by what?
fighting at 205?
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You can't tell me to not grow dope. It's like telling the NWA to stop being black.-Ricky
The last time he fought at 205 was in the middle of 2009?
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Mar 20, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
it seems to me you wouldn't like to see this fight?
I understand that Okami should get the next shot and Jones should defend the title a couple of times. But are you intrigued at all about this fight
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You can't tell me to not grow dope. It's like telling the NWA to stop being black.-Ricky
Of course I would like to see that fight.
You seem to jump to a conclusion that Silva is scared of fighting Jones, that’s what I’m talking about.
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Mar 20, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If Silva wanted to fight Jones though, now would be the time. If there is a talent gap between them, it will only close or widen in favour of Jones the longer he waits.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Wasn’t that because Machida had the belt and Andy said, he’d never fight his friend for the title and so on?
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
i think its more he doesnt want to fight in machidas division.
He wanted to fight Frank Mir at one point. I don’t think its the size that bothers him with jones. I think he wants machida to be champ at LHW.
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by the-gentle-way on Mar 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm
Do you say the same thing about GSP not wanting to fight Anderson but doesn’t mind fighting BJ Penn????
by Dane Robertson on Mar 20, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yes. yes i do
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Clamoring for Silva/Jones already?
Lets calm down folks. Try defending the belt once before the clamoring begins.
What fight are you looking forward most for Jones at lhw?
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad.
Machida
Rampage
All I am saying is lets see him defend the belt before calling out for a fight against the sport’s best fighter. Jones has skills, but keep things in perspective. i know its hard to do after a guy just won
Yes, but those fighters have shown nothing, at least on paper, that could even come close to posing a legitimate threat to what Jones can bring to the table.
They’ve all fought each other before and there’s nothing that Jones doesn’t do better than all of them.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
The same was said when Forrest faught Rua
And when Rashad fought Rampage
and dozens of other fights at other weight classes. Fights are unpredictable- sure Jones is a monster, but no one is guaranteed a victory, especially at 205.
El Santo inspired me to be a submission grappler.
All I am saying is based on what I see right now.
I just can’t get excited for those matchups. I could, of course, be absolutely wrong but I just don’t see it.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Suddenly the depth of the LHW division is similar to MW, you’ve got a (seemingly) dominant and unbeatable champion and a division full of guys who don’t seem to pose any threat to him
disagree
the LHW is one of the most stacked and tumultuous divisions, even at the top end.. Since Liddell no one has been able to hold on for long, if at all.
Rampage defended once
Griffin 0
Evans 0
Machida 1/2(he sorta defended)
Rua 0
Jones over 9000
But who interests you to beat Jones and why?
I see none of those guys baing able to lay Jones.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Machida prevents an interesting style matchup;
Phil Davis could contest him in the grappling department; Evans should give him a good fight.
Just off the top of my head.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d imagine that Jones will be fighting Rashad next and he will probably smash him. I feel bad for Rashad because he probably watched this fight and has no real gameplan to win in his head, I mean how can you plan for this shit? Maybe try to wrestle him? But he is a better wrestler, try to box with him? But he is a better boxer.
And Jones probably knows more about Rashad than any other LHW.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
My point exactly.
Unless Phil Davis’ game suddenly evolved, or Mousasi in a couple of years traveled back in time, I think we’re out of luck.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Rashad is coming off probably the biggest layoff in his entire career.
Jones is not a dude you want to approach rusty.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
He might get wasted.
Besides, who will he train with? And whom will Jones train with?
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Jones will train with GSP’s camp since they have a good relation with the Jackson camp and Rashad will stay at home base since he’s the more veteran fighter.
That’s just my assumption though, but I can’t see them just dividing the camp with tape and saying “Jones don’t touch Rashad’s water bottle.” during the training.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I remember that i read Rashad whining, saying he was ready to dump Jackson's.
And Jackson, I believe, said he wouldn’t want to coach either of the two.
We’re in for an odd one, I’m afraid.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The pre fight talk will be:
Rashad: “Dude always used my towels, like wtf?”
Jones: “This guy always took an extra 5 mins in the shower.”
Rashad: “And then he would drink my gatorade, I dont know where he got the balls.”
Jones: “He thought we were friends, but I fucked his wife.”
Rashad: “He fucked my wife!”
Jones: “We were training partners, we shared everything, EVERYTHING bro.”
Rashad: “And then I fucked his wife.”
Jones: “You better believe it is on, I know he took my car and put a ton of mileage on it.”
Rashad: " I drove his car and his wife from las vegas to california."
Jones: “Motherfucker is going to eat a jab.”
This is just for posterity sake, but I hope this is the pre fight shenanigans for a change.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
by DirtyML on Mar 20, 2011 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Machida holds a special place in my fandom
For still being the only guy to knock out Evans(others have come close)
But I expect Jones to join him pretty soon
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Machida is the author of the stnky leg. That shall not be forgotten.

by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact that the belt has changed hands so much only indicates that LHW has been evenly matched so far. It could be evenly matched with mediocre fighters, good fighters or excellent fighters – the small number of title-defenses says nothing about that.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
Really? People didn’t know Rashad is a better wrestler than Rampage?
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Mar 20, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If people weren't saying Rampage was a better wrestler
they were saying he was at least good enough to keep Rashad out standing and neutralize the gameplan he used against Thiago Silva. Seriously, there were very few people that publicly said Rashad had a distinct advantage anywhere.
El Santo inspired me to be a submission grappler.
by Enmascarado on Mar 20, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad was even money against Rampage
Not sure where this whole thing came from.
Not afraid to nitpick
and in 2012
Mousasi, King Mo….heck, let’s put Dan Henderson on a retirement trip if he’s still SF champ in 2012..
"You just got your asses whipped..by a bunch of god damn nerds..NERDSS!!"
by Lambda Lambda Lambda on Mar 20, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Mousasi?
He’s two years older than Jones and a lot more experienced, but i don’t think he will be able to pull it off, but we’ll see.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
ummm yea
Maybe were calling for the bout due to the fact that Silva doesn’t haven’t much time left before his age becomes a defining factor.
Assuncao should definitely keep his job. I think Njokuani might get cut, fight of the night or not.
Still a Beer Monster.
http://www.instrength.com
Would have been real easy to make different fights if they wanted strikers gone.
Njokuani vs. Lowe, Barboza vs. Lentz. Both get flushed. But that’s not how the UFC plays.
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-Randall Munroe
They’re cutting everyone that loses at 155, it seems. Njokuani is now 4-4 in Zuffa. Not exactly lighting it up. I don’t think it’s about his style, I think it’s about numbers. Besides, they made this fight because it would be exciting, not for the express purpose of cutting someone.
Still a Beer Monster.
http://www.instrength.com
Right.
but they made Lowe vs. Lentz because it’s a competitive fight, when one guy is ranked and one isn’t? Or because it’s gonna be super exciting?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Nik Lentz is ranked? Where? I think they made this matchup for the same reason they made Barboza/Njokuani – same styles.
Still a Beer Monster.
http://www.instrength.com
Aw shit, I was sure he was top 25 here.
It’s stupid that Stevenson is still top 25. Lentz beat Tyson Griffin (on paper) which is better than Pettis or Henderson ever did. Either way I’m technically wrong, which is the worst kind of wrong. Number 26 is close though, and Lowe isn’t even top 45.
But the point still stands. UFC matchmaking is meant to create spectacle.
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-Randall Munroe
Assuncao probably tumbles out of the top 40 with that loss. Why should he keep his job?
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by Richard Wade on Mar 20, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Styles make fights?
Only thing that comes to mind.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That and
the 3’rd consecutive surgery on the same ACL… I doubt Shogun will ever be the same. It might be that the duo of fights with Machida was the zenith of Rua’s career.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s had more knee surgeries than anybody, I expect him to retire within a year. You can be 18 years old, but with all those knee surgeries, you are going to be walking with a cane if you keep it up in athletic competition.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Exactly
It is amazing how athletes are surprised when they get injured again after repeating what caused the first effin injury. Yao Ming after making millions and becoming a star in China, decided to keep playing after his surgery(s). Same with Shogun, 3 knee surgeries before age 30, and still fighting? WTF! God bless em
Strikeforce in Dallas!!
Mayweather = embarrassment
He looked soft too, physically
But I don’t think he’ll retire in a year, and I think he can still tool a lot of top 205 competition. He seems to still have the fighting spirit and seemed all to relaxed going into things if he thought he was in poor condition and about to get stomped. Hopefully he keeps up with the training and keeps his knee healthy. I know I would be excited to see him fight again.
"If at first you don't succeed, destroy all the evidence that you tried"
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He might show up for paychecks, but he is done as a contender or as a serious threat for the belt.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
You think he won't be able to beat, say, Rampage or Griffin?
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage maybe, because Rampage gives more of fuck about his cushion arrangement on his couch than competing seriously, but Griffin? Probably not. They both utilize similar strategies, leg kicks and takedowns, I see Griffin winning via not having multiple knee surgeries, similar to their first fight.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I have watched it, Rua fades within 2 rounds, it is an embarassing. I think his knee surgery and lack of cardio at the time really hurt him, but I don’t see it being much different now.
If Rua can’t dictate the pace of a fight, he will crumble under Griffin’s pressure. And I’d love to see Jones vs Griffin, even though I am almost certain that Jones will win.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I'd still want to see it.
I discovered that for some reason I enjoy watching Forrest get beat.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, you must be a sadist! Forrest often cries, perhaps that is it. I think personally he should just write books, as he is more successful at that.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I am sick man...
I have a list of fighters that I enjoy watching get beat…and I don’t even dislike them.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
this is Frankie-poo's wife
he just ran out of the room crying after reading this post. it saddens me as well that there are people like you out there, good sir. now excuse me let me go find frankie who is crying loudly in our backyard
by Franklin Goodish on Mar 20, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Shogun hasn't been cut in a long time. Ever really.
Always carried extra weight. He looked a lot slimmer for this than he did for Lyoto II.
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-Randall Munroe
If you really like Rua
you would want for him to not need a walking cane. The dude’s knees are literally bound to go out if he keeps training and fighting.
Strikeforce in Dallas!!
Mayweather = embarrassment
LHW Cro Cop that won the title from a ‘seemingly’ invincible Lyoto Machida. Relax, take a deep breath, maybe a week’s holiday and then make your assessment. I’m sure you’ll feel better for it. Not trying to be a dick but Shogun lost his title to a phenom. Like the words of Mike’s friend. Just a matter of time.
I prefer No-weight Crocop.
He should lay down and go enjoy his fishing. He’s earned it.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I felt that Jones dominated Bader, but didn’t destroy him like he did Rua. In the Bader fight, Bader got next to no offense on Jones, and Jones took him down at will.
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by chrisbboy82 on Mar 20, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Bader tried to pull guard.....AFTER getting waxed on the ground already
Jones fucking destroyed Bader.
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Those guys definitely made a life long fan out of me tonight. Hard not to pull for those two.
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by Worldisart on Mar 20, 2011 3:20 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I think Machida is the ideal guy to beat Jones, he’s got better wrestling chops than Shogun and has the speed and footwork to dart in and out past Jones length to hurt him on the feet while avoiding the clinch.
Food goes in here
Except he got soundly beat by Shogun the second time and has shown to be able to get cornered by the likes of Rampage.
What would Jones accomplish with his massive reach?
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I still feel he beat Jackson, but in terms of overall movement Machida has that over Jones.
Food goes in here
I feel Machida beat Jackson as well
And while he was clearly beaten by Shogun the 2nd time..the performance up until the beautifully timed strike by Shogun was very good on Machida’s part…He got Shogun down twice, was checking at least a portion of the leg kicks, and landing some good shots of his own. One thing he made a point to do was to strike any time they finished tying up. When Shogun broke from the catch, Machida threw an elbow, when Shogun got up to his feet after being taken down, Machida landed a knee.
I felt he was definitely winning the fight…even though that doesn’t really matter when you get KO’d
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He might have the best shot… but he isn’t ideal. Machida just can’t seem to pull the trigger unless he feels that the opportunity is perfect. With an opponent as dangerous and unpredictable as Jones I doubt he will ever have that perfect chance. So Jones will just chop him down and finish him. And that is granting that he as the speed and strength to beat him, which is in doubt. The only opponent that has a good chance at dethroning Jones is Haagen-Daaz.
Honestly I don’t see anyone at LHW beating him. He’s super talented and he’s huge. I mean, when Rashad was standing next to him I kept expecting him to say “Whatcho talking about Willis?” Rua and almost everyone at LHW looks short and fat compared to him.
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Shalorus shouldn't be cut
but I’ve seen Dana do crazier things.
Why shouldn't Shalorus be cut?
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by Richard Wade on Mar 20, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Shogun tapped
If you take a look at Shogun’s right hand the moments when Dean was stopping the fight, he begins to tap.
He was ready to quit either way.
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He gave one tap. It could've been anything.
For the record, I do believe he was signaling he was done, but maybe he just tapped involuntarily. has happened before.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Either way
It can’t be good for your internal organs to take many more of those elbows. Those look fucking painful—I reflexively tapped while sitting on my couch when Jones made an elbow move towards the camera, after the fight.
Um, I've watched that part about 10 times
He is tapping, it’s not just a single tap, if you keep an eye on his right hand the whole time, you’ll see it.
I’m not trying to insult him or say anything less of him. I’m just making a statement that Jones put a world class beating on him, and even he knew it needed to be done.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He did tap twice
GIF courtesy of pud333 in another article…

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by The American Ronin on Mar 20, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMG thank you
I’ve been waiting for a gif of this
The days as champ are done... but the juggernaut known as Brock Lesnar will return.
Yeah digging those long sharp elbows into Shogun’s abdomen while in his guard was just nasty too. Kid is viscous! Intention mispell!
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think "viscous" means what you think it means.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 20, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
:)
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He definitely tapped. That body shot was the icing on the cake, and Shogun had fought through one hell of a 10 minute beating already. When Shogun is tapping to fucking strikes, you know Jon Jones is an absolute killer.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
As I said...
I do believe he was signaling he was done, but there’s a chance we may never know for sure.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, and Shogun can do whatever. Anyone who criticizes his heart or toughness doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry! No, I’m just pre-empting any jackasses giving Shogun grief for it. It was what it was.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Shogun lasted a LONG time.
Longer than any other fighter at 205 would against the Jones that showed up today.
If a single person calls that a tap and uses it as a reason to question Shogun’s heart, they are a moron. I know you aren’t, so don’t take this the wrong way. But that dude took his licks, fought through them, and eventually knew it was over.
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Yeah I totally agree with you. I don’t want here any “he tapped to strikes!!!” type garbage either. I think he did, but he was totally right to. Shogun is all heart, that shouldn’t even be in question. It just makes what Jon did tonight that much more impressive. Shogun having to quit is something I never would have imagined happening. He couldn’t defend himself properly, I’m glad it ended when it did.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
He had to be completely on queer street or injured…cast iron nads he has…
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by The American Ronin on Mar 20, 2011 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That knee to the body probably fucked up his ribs. That would explain why he dropped after the left hook .
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by dancingChicken on Mar 20, 2011 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd bet he has a legitimate rib injury or something from that knee + body shot
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Great post! The same thoughts were running through my mind!
by troutki on Mar 20, 2011 3:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i wasnt impressed with Schaub.
Getting Mirko down and not doing anything
constant clinch to nothingness.
gassing pretty hard
eh
by Discman2 on Mar 20, 2011 3:24 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Schaub is going to be a perpetual journeyman, kind of like the Ryan Bader of HW, and I see him losing to anyone in the top 5. Perhaps he will be the one to fight Carwin in June?
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Wow.
Bader loses once to the Champion and he is on a one way train to Journeymanland?
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much, Bader is never going to be champ while Bones is around, do you think he is going to be #2? Nope. there are plenty of LHW that are better than him.. which makes him.. oh my god wait for.. a journeyman.
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Holy balls man. Jones will probably be at HW soon and Bader is how old?
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by Barack Lesnar on Mar 20, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Assumptions, assumptions.
Tibau cuts just as much weight as Jones will have to in 5 years.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
And you are assuming that Bader won’t/can’t improve
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by Barack Lesnar on Mar 20, 2011 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
He won’t.
He will lose to pretty much any top 5 UFC fighter at LHW.
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What lottery numbers should I pick for next week’s drawing?
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
deal.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
How do I get some of this pot?
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by Barack Lesnar on Mar 20, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
suffer from a disease ranging from Glaucoma to Nightmares
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I do have a microwave
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by Barack Lesnar on Mar 20, 2011 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
stand yourself on that chair boy and drop em in! I’ll get you a wheelbarrow as a congratulations gift
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Just going to get a little cancer
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by Barack Lesnar on Mar 20, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Bader have a disease that prohibits him from improving?
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
What does that have to do with me thinking Bader has a shot at being a contender one day?
If Koscheck did it so can he.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes I agree his chances at winning the belt are the same as Koschecks
It's just a world, it's just a life.
But Koscheck was not a journeyman. He was a contender. You're just hating for the sake of hating.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Koscheck was always a journeyman, a temporary placemat while Shields came over.
Nobody expected him to win, nobody was surprised when he didnt.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Give it up dude. You’ve already made yourself look foolish enough.
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Certainly, he was the underdog, but he had a chance. Their first fight went to a decision and Koscheck was even able to score a takedown on GSP. He had only improved since that point. The only problem is, GSP improved more.
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Fair point, but I think that everyone knew that it was going to be a landslide victory for GSP or the 1-5% chance of Koscheck landing a hail mary.
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Nah man
Kos was seen as a legit threat. I had GSP, but noone thought Kos would get dismantled like that.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Then who is a contender?
A contender is someone who keeps winning until they get a title shot, right?
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
A contender is a successful opponent who has a viable chance of winning.
Koscheck did not have a viable chance of winning, much like Rashad has no chance of beating Jones.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
So...if a champion is extremely dominant then there are no contenders?
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Not in a literal sense, but there are opponents who will get their ass beat, look at Pacquiao, it is hard to say he has any contenders besides Floyd, and he will beat all of their asses, and nobody will be surprised.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
The only thing Floyd can contend right now is keeping his ass out of jail.
Knocking around the mother of your kids kinda does that to you.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea what he did or what he has done, I don’t follow boxing that closely but he if he beat a woman then he is a douche.
Too bad, I want to see Floyd vs Pac and that is the only fight I’d want to see in boxing at the moment.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
I don't follow boxing either, but that was kind of big news.
I guess it sucks trying to be considered a contender right now both in ww, mw, and lhw.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he does
Now me and other BE users have to think of semi-witty names of diseases because of you.
So were Jones and Evans and look what happened...
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That is a title fight
Carwin v. Schaub is a throwaway match up.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm always pulling for the Miller brothers.
They’re such great guys. As for Shogun, I have serious doubts as to whether he will ever overcome that bum knee of his. He needs some serious rehabilitation.
I actually think Rampage and Machida have the best chance of beating Jones.
Both have excellent defensive wrestling and have a more polished counter-based standup that could capitalize on the holes in Jones’ sloppy striking and footwork.
Not to say that Jones isn’t totally deserving of what he’s accomplished, but he’s only 23 and he’s got bad habits just like any young fighter. The question is whether he tightens up technically during his reign as champ or neglect them until he loses when an opponent exploits said weaknesses.
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I disagree.
You are assuming he won’t improve from here to when he fights Rashad, much less to when he fights either of them if he beats the latter.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually specifically made it an open question as to whether he improves the holes in his game or not.
I don’t think it’s all that far-fetched to speculate he might not drastically fix his footwork and striking right away since this sport has time and time again demonstrated instances of young champs getting by on sheer athleticism and unorthodox brutality only to get eventually drubbed by a solid technical opponent and/or bad style match-up.
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Good point, but does anyone think anyone can drub Mr. Jones right now?
The best striker couldn’t, remember? That just happened.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
right, it just happened.
this is why I am not a fan of immediate post fight discussion on mma boards.
I am quite sure that Jones wouldn't be very succesful at heavyweight
His biggest assets at 205 are his size, his reach and his strength, sure he has great wrestling, but his stand-up consists mostly of kicks that help increase his already long range.
At HW he would no longer be the biggest or the strongest guy in the divison, i have a hard time seeing jones stand with Overeem, or try to wrestle with Cain, in fact i think cain would be able to negate Jones’ wrestling and out strike him in the stan-up.
Jones is a very skilled fighter, but most of his success has come from his physical traits not as much from his technique and skill
I’ll say this. He should dominate at LHW for a few years, allow his technique to improve, and then move up when it gets too hard to cut the weight. By then, he’ll be able to handle Overeem and probably Cain’s wrestling as well. Saying it’s mostly his physical traits is pretty wrong though. He’s built his game to exploit those traits, and his striking and BJJ have made enormous leaps in the past year and a half. He’s going to have the ability to customize his training, diet, everything. He’ll have the best coaching and sparring partners. He’s going to get a lot better, and I definitely think he has it in him to destroy Cain, JDS, Brock, Overeem, whoever. Just needs time to grow.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd have to do it over time
His frame would support him being 275 pounds at least if he really took the time to do it right.
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Shalorus should NOT be cut
I mean damn, the dude just lost his first fight ever, to one of the very best in the division.
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plus he has the whole international appeal that the UFC loves
i bet he will fight on the next Abu Dabi card
to add on to that, he was on CNN for christs sake, it's his first loss, and he could be very useful if the UFC plans on going back to Asia
idk here is a link:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/sports/2011/03/18/baddoo.kamal.shalorus.cnn?iref=allsearch
He lost the Varner fight, judging be damned.
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by Mike Fagan on Mar 20, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It is time to pour out a 40 for PRIDE...R.I.P.

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by The American Ronin on Mar 20, 2011 3:42 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Theres still Overeem right? He counts he has to count he was a PRIDE fighter. It’s not dead damn it! its still real to me!!!
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by Barack Lesnar on Mar 20, 2011 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though Overeem totally counts right?
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by Barack Lesnar on Mar 20, 2011 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Dan Henderson is a current champ in the sport
He certainly counts.
by AwkwardBoner on Mar 20, 2011 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Being champion in Strikeforce doesn't count.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 20, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it disrespectful how Jones not finished a wobbling Shogun in the first round in orden to showcase all his abilities and flashy moves in the upcoming rounds.
by Merthiolate on Mar 20, 2011 3:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Silliness.
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by Earl Montclair on Mar 20, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Jones was pacing himself, wearing down Shogun while expending as little energy as possible?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 20, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones really caught a purse snatcher while meditating in a park getting ready for the fight? Seriously?
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atleast he was semi right about ruas heart
but that was one hella of a beating to forceit out.
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by Patrick Tenney on Mar 20, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I missed Jim post-fight, as I was there and thus shuffling out to go stand around twenty minutes for a train, but it’s not surprising that he had that release. It was obviously an emotional day for them, both for the personal reasons and the professional of having to watch his brother lose right before his bout. I was worried he’d let the emotions get to his performance, but thankfully that wasn’t the case.
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Jones had a great gameplan for the groundwork, he knew Shogun liked two side deep half to hit leg locks and sweeps and he baited Shogun with the leg to either grab (in which case he dove his hips in and made the sweep impossible) or he allowed Shogun to reestablish full guard where he knew Shogun was less threatening.
That outside leg in half guard was a trap by Jones, I can almost guarantee he was leaving it out there because of watching Shogun footage so he could bait Shogun into positions where he wanted him and into expending energy trying that rollover sweep.
Pretty goddamn genius and I’m generally not a Jackson camp gameplan nuthugger but if their plan was to disrupt Shogun’s ground game like that then well, kudos, seriously.
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by Patrick Tenney on Mar 20, 2011 3:51 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Also lends some credence (to me at least) that leaving his arm out for Vera was tactical rather than a mistake.
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by The American Ronin on Mar 20, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s possible but I still am not sure I liked that, that’s a seriously f’n dangerous thing to do, the leg bait is significantly safer just because it’s more of a positional thing, not a do/die situation.
If Shogun was going for a kneebar from bottom half I’d give more credence to the Vera thing, but Shogun only tried the kneebars from dropping back control (which he just was not trying to do correctly, I think he was just running on vapors).
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by Patrick Tenney on Mar 20, 2011 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Jones mentioned during some interview or something
That while watching tape they noticed Vera really liked to maintain wrist control from his gaurd, and that they practiced letting him do that and then flipping the wrist and landing the elbow.
did Jones ever do that in anyone’s gaurd before(Was he ever in someone’s gaurd?) and has he done it since?
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he did it against Shogun tonight.
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by Patrick Tenney on Mar 20, 2011 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It could very well be intentional by the way, I’m just saying that it’s not something I would suggest doing; you can flip your wrist all you want but with the potential of having yourself submitted or injured by what’s a pretty open armbar… it’s just too much risk for the reward.
It’s a situation where if Vera suddenly decided to actually be mobile on his hips instead of laying flat, Jones could of been in a lot of trouble.
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by Patrick Tenney on Mar 20, 2011 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, it's a calculated risk I wouldn't take
And I didn’t notice him specifically outstretching both tonight, but I’m having a hard time remembering the exact positioning.
But I suppose if you are putting them out there on purpose to give up wrist control, you should already be prepared to counter any armbar attempts.
I mean, there is a bit of a difference between putting your arms out on purpose vs leaving them out for lack of paying attention
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He was doing a can opener on Shogun from full guard at one point and I was thinking “Shogun should be throwing up triangles/armbars from this…” but Jones was just all over him and I don’t think Shogun was thinking too clearly.
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by Patrick Tenney on Mar 20, 2011 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, after that moment in the first
Where Jones landed those very flush shots while Shogun was getting back up, Shogun never seemed to fully recover.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
What was it Shogun was saying about Jon Jones' knockout power?
He said some stuff about how Jones could tap you with shots, but couldn’t hit you with anything that would hurt you…
Jon Jones made a highlight reel out of Shogun Rua.
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He wasn't knocked out, he was just thoroughly squished.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but the 'power' part is what I was focusing on
Jones clearly has a lot of power in his strikes…enough to rock Shogun and/or make him tap.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Up to that point Jones had never screwed up anyone with punches.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
Pre-UFC he had 3 TKO and 2 KO(punch) victories
As far as the UFC goes, I can’t speak for Gusmao, but we all know how epic Bonnar’s chin and ability to absorb punishment is, and he stunned him a few times.
Hamill also has an epic chin, although Jones didn’t do a lot of punching in the face on the feet in that fight, or his fight with Vera, Matyushenko or Bader.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that Shogun was talking fist strikes.
".He still has a ground game that seems heavily dependent on lying still and hoping that his opponent won't notice his very kimura-able arm..."
by dancingChicken on Mar 20, 2011 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
That was far worse than a one shot knockout.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? You feel the need to hate on Shogun after that fight? Come on, give it a rest.
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I'm not hating
Just making a note about what someone said before vs what happened.
I said when Shogun said Jones had no knockout power that I hope Jones would knock him out.
And while Jones did not knock Rua out proper(I believe that is impossible) the power of his strikes are what absolutely lead to the end of the fight.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Shogun merely expressed his opinion on Jon Jones and he was wrong, big fucking deal. There’s no need to kick sand in his face now.
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If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure Rua won't read Chris' comments.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 20, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I've got a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth for Shogun
He knocked out Machida, who was the first guy in MMA that I ever became a huge fan of. He was like my hero.
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, so you were hating after all.
Shogun knocked out your hero and you wanted to see him beat up. Now, after he has been thoroughly beat, you want to rub it in his face. That’s real classy of you.
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Please, I've got a ton of respect for Shogun
Especially after he knocked out my favorite guy.
Did I still want him to lose? Yeah sure
It’s not like he is reading anything I’m saying, and I would mention the same thing if ANYONE said that. I HATE it when anyone discredits a particular part of anyone’s game just because you haven’t seen much of it yet. I love Cro Cop, but him saying he would beat Schaub because ‘he is just a rookie’ got on my nerves.
And I would not be surprised at all if the quote, along with a very smartass retort, weren’t included in the next ‘This week in quotes’
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by Chris Groves on Mar 20, 2011 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone is on Jones's jock
I stopped reading the article at “passive, soft-hitting Machida”.
Just ask Rashad, Thiago Silva, Rich Franklin and Rampage if Machida is soft hitting.
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Greg just seemed hurt in the interview. It was odd to watch.
Oddly enough, seeing Rashad’s confidence gave me an odd twinge that he just might be able to put up a good fight.
Damn, go Rashad.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
There has to be more behind the scenes. Rashad seems really hurt and thats why he’s leaving Jackson’s MMA. As if all the gym’s weight is behind Jones and Rashad is out in the cold type of deal
Yeah. I got that same exact vibe.
It might be enough to fuck with Jones’ head for a while.
And you can bet that Rashad will get the drop on him in the trash talk department. I’m sure Rashad’s mind is spinning with real hurtful things he wants to say to someone else that then will get repeated to a beleaguered Jones.
by Unabomberman on Mar 20, 2011 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad asked if he was rooting for Shogun to avoid awkwardness:
“Regardless if Jones won or lost, I was gonna fight him”
Run and tweet that, homeboy
As my user name suggests, i am a huge fan of shogun rua.
I think those who think the sport have left Shogun behind (read the UG) are a little misguided regarding knee surgeries.
I had ONE knee surgery and it took me 2 full years to recover 80% of my former athletic ability. Knee surgeries have the ability to screw up your career if you rush back into sports (or fighting) before you are close to your pre-surgery condition.
No excuses though. Bones is clearly the better man tonight. I just wished the the wild and injury-free Shogun of 2005 could have appeared tonight and give Bones more of a fight.
Shogun said he's been at 100% for the past five months and has felt absolutely no pain.
that’s all i’m saying…
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Everyone says that pre-fight. He didn’t mention the appendix issue pre Machida til we saw the Countdown show.
Food goes in here
I know they all say it
but all I can go off of is what they say, rather that what others speculate.
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Pride Grand Prix Heroes may have lost but their legacies live on.
Though I’m still not a fan of Jon Jones, he earned my respect today after taking out Shogun. It’s Jones time now, I’ll accept it and maybe grow to like him one day. As for Shogun’s performance, I was bummed but he put forth an effort to hang in there. Hopefully he’ll use this to comeback stronger and not let it affect him mentally.
As for Schaub, I’m still not sold on him even though he did a good job timing CroCop and had some good takedowns. Mirko’s reflex’s are not what they used to be and that is what led to his demise. Back in his glory days that kick would’ve came with a quickness. I’m happy CroCrop got his licks in and kept it competitive, but his best days are behind him. Hopefully they’ll be room for him in the UFC Hall of Fame for his Pride accomplishments.
Even after these performances I am still a fan of both these former Pride Grand Prix Champs. These guys may not be in the same form as their Grand Prix Versions but they still had the heart earlier tonight.
Jon Jones makes me sick
And it’s not even because of him personally. Let the guy defend his title before everyone gets on his bag. Jones beating Shogun proved that Jones belongs in the upper tier of the LHW division. Get off the hype train… seriously. He hasn’t even defended his title and there’s already a clamor for super fights?
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I think you mean “sensational nuthuggers make me sick”. Jones looked great, but yes- he needs to establish his dominance in the LHW division before any superfights happen. Beating Rashad would be a big first step.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, you’re probably right about my post title… and I don’t think that him running through everyone in the division is a foregone conclusion… Rashad has the tools to beat him for sure and even a guy like Machida can beat Jones. It’s an issue of solving his range because that is his advantage over everyone. He can kick a guy from like 8 feet away and shoot takedowns from even farther. If someone can figure out how to navigate that range I really don’t see how he won’t end up as another (previously mentioned) Machida.
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by exsanguinator on Mar 20, 2011 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn't anticipated that Jones
would learn to use his reach so effectively so fast. But really, Shogun’s style is the worst style to fight an aggressive striker who knows how to use their range, like Jon. Walking forward into Jones’ reach is the worst thing you can do. You have to draw the opponent in, and explode inside at the exact moment when they’re coming forward.
Machida is a master of that, and also has great wrestling. He presents a very interesting style clash for Jones. Rashad does too. He’s far from cleaning out his division.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Please explain to me the tools that Evans has to defeat Jones, I’m very interested.
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by ufc4 on Mar 20, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's something of a wildcard, or rather a non-tangible value
But Rashad has knowledge of how Jones trains and how Jones thinks. They’ve sparred together probably dozens of times by now.
That may prove to be Rashad’s key — knowledge of Jones.
It goes both ways, of course. Jones knows a lot about Rashad too!
Evans began his career fighting much larger guys, his wrestling is possibly better, he’s fast, more technical standing up and has great cardio. I maintain that Shogun lost because he had too much respect for the wrestling game of Jones, which he should have. Rashad won’t have that problem. Also, even though there were a lot of jokes at the time of the black belt award, Rashad’s defensive jiu jitsu is definitely at a black belt level.
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by exsanguinator on Mar 20, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't wanna make excuses but
Shogun looked kinda soft in the tummy. Not like 113 Shogun. Of course, Jones wasn’t his 113 opponent.
All I can really conclude is that Shogun might have some more rehab to do, and Jones is a fucking beast.
I don't know if Shogun
will ever be the same. Of course, he gradually recovered from his other surgeries, but the 3’rd time… not exactly a charm. The way he was moving around, I don’t think he’ll ever be in the same form he was against Machida & Chuck.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 20, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
This sounds like an excuse.
Over time we may hear some whispers from his training camp, until then everything else is . . . just a guess.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
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by VeeisAnimated on Mar 20, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool recap Fagan!
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I am surprised there is no mention of the crowd.
I thought this was one of the worst crowds I have seen at an MMA event in quite some time. Especially compared to the educated crowd in Australia.
by MrPants on Mar 20, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I have a hard time imagining Jones not fighting for the HW title at some point. Physically it makes a ton of sense, economically it makes a ton of sense. Physically I can definitely see him going the way of Overeem and it’s just down right scary. I really hope the UFC pushes him to leave 205 same way they should of pushed Silva out 185 but HW’s are extremely marketable so he’s got more incentive.
I was pretty torn last night
as Shogun is a legend and Bones has been my favorite young fighter even before his time with the UFC (thank you Inside MMA). While it was tough to see Rua get dominated like that I really hope we were the witnesses of the start of something special. The 205 division is the craziest in mma with 6 different champions and only 2 successful title defenses in the past 4 years. So I’m not going to sit here and say that Jones will be champ for years to come but his performance last night was one of the all time great performances and he definitely has the tools to bring some stability back to the division.
Now my question is how does the division play out from here with what we know about the schedule? So Jones/Rashad Rampage/Hamill Machida/Couture are the three big fights. Then at the next level you have Davis/Nog as the only other fight with any relevancy scheduled. Forrest doesn’t have a fight, Bader and Franklin are coming off losses, we still don’t really know the exact status of Thiago Silva. So how do you guys see things playing out? For the sake of argument I’m going to assume Jones beats Rashad. If Jones wins and Rampage loses to Hamill does the winner of Machida/Couture get a shot? Would Randy look at Jones as one of those important and fun challenges? Would he view Rashad the same? Or will Matt Hamill get a shot with a victory? They could potentially sell that as a revenge match for Jones. That sounds absurd to me. Where does Forrest fight next? Please not another Tito fight.
A lot seems to be riding on a Rampage win for the future of 205 title fights. If Randy beats Machida then hopefully (not for his sake) he would step up as a fight with Jones would be easy to sell. I would personally hold out on scheduling Forrest for a fight until after the Rampage fight. If Rampage wins put Forrest against a Bader or a Davis. If Rampage loses and Randy loses (machida needs more than randy for a title shot after losing 2 straight) then you can have Forrest challenge for the belt… a move that makes more sense than Hamill.
by jpooch on Mar 20, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
also...
Where does Shogun go from here? I wouldn’t mind seeing a rematch with Griffin or a fight with Franklin. I would even enjoy him beating the crap out of Tito.
Joe Silva has a Hell of a job to do with this division, but it sure seems like it would be fun (relative to any other job that also requires hard work)
by jpooch on Mar 20, 2011 3:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want Shogun to fight Rampage, get the bit back in his teeth and maybe take another run at Jon down the road.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 20, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say Rashad, then Lyoto assuming as I do that he beats Randy. By then, things will have sorted themselves out, and some Strikeforce contracts may be expired, leaving guys like Mousasi, King Mo, Dan and the rest to come over and take their licks if Phil Davis or someone young hasn’t grown into the role yet.
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