Is the UFC Finally Serious About Making a New Star in Jon Jones?
Last year we identified a problem, one the UFC has been pondering for some time. Where are all the new stars? Since the UFC exploded into the mainstream consciousness with The Ultimate Fighter in 2005, the business has grown dramatically. Stars have been born, men capable of drawing hundreds of thousands of fans with their names alone. Unfortunately, those men, the ones who built the sport, are looking older and older every day.
When MMA Payout did a study of the UFC's top draws, a handful men stood out. Few were the products of their star making system. The last enduring star they created was Georges St. Pierre, a man who won his first world title all the way back in 2006. Since GSP, they've had a hard time creating the kinds of stars that make fans want to put money down. They were given a gift in Brock Lesnar and have done an astounding job making him a bigger star than ever. But the home grown talent with potential seems to have a hard time breaking through. Several years into Anderson Silva's reign he's finally catching a little steam. Too bad he's on the tail end of a great career.
In some ways it has been right out of the WCW school of promotion. Before being sold to their greatest rival, the Atlanta based wrestling promotion was famous for pushing older stars in the stead of new and promising talent. UFC presenting a Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell coached season of TUF was a bad sign they might be on the same path - that they weren't ready to push the next generation of fighters to the fore. Meanwhile rising talents like Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard remain virtually unknown outside the subset of very hardcore fans:
The UFC has done a great job using reality television to populate the middle of their cards with recognizable talent. But they haven't been successful in building the next big thing. TUF has been used as a television vehicle for fringe prospects like Amir Saddolah and never wills like Kimbo Slice. It's brought us gatekeepers like Nate Diaz and Joe Stevenson, quality fighters but not fighters with the potential to replace Chuck Liddell. Where are the mega prospects? Why wasn't Jon Jones featured in a season of reality television? Where was Cain Velasquez? How big a star would Phil Davis be with a TUF title under his belt? Those are men with potential to be huge stars. Instead, they feel like strangers to many UFC fans, fans that would rather give their emotional energy and support to the fighters they feel they know.
We've seen how powerful a tool reality television can be. Use it to take real blue chip prospects - the Mo Lawals, Ben Askrens, and Cain Velasquezs of the world - and make them television stars. Then, if they pan out at the top level of the fight game, you have a guy primed and ready to take the world by storm. You have the next Chuck Liddell and not the next Frankie Edgar - a great fighter who couldn't draw 5000 people on the power of his name to any arena in the world.
After the break we talk Jon Jones: breakout star
Finally, the UFC has taken steps to remedy this situation. When Rashad Evans went down with injury, they wasted little time pushing Jones into his training partner's main event slot. Not too long ago that would have been Forrest Griffin's gig. But the UFC is learning with Jones. Now, not only is he competing for a world title, he and Evans are masterfully building to a big money grudge match of their own as a follow up act. Jones may be the next big thing, that new star the sport needs to maintain its PPV dominance. Now he just has to go out and win.
That's been a real problem in the past. The UFC has spent considerable promotional muscle and time building fighters like Rich Franklin and Forrest Griffin. Unfortunately, the promotion can only push a guy so far - after that it's up to him to make his own way in the cage.
It's why the makeup of The Ultimate Fighter is so important. Sure it's just reality TV. But it's reality TV that is a springboard to combat sports stardom. Better to make that effort with men who have serious potential to make it at the top level of the industry. Men like Jon Jones.
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Unfortunately, the promotion can only push a guy so far – after that it’s up to him to make his own way in the cage.
This is the key. Trying to artificially push someone only to see him fail can be disastrous.
by Coeman on Mar 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Baroni. Lawler. Gono. Etc.
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You think any of Jones Mojo will go Shogun’s way if he beats the kid? Rua is a tremendous fighter but is it too late in his career considering his history of injuries and his lack of command of the english language? Makes me wonder.
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by Jeremy Couturier on Mar 17, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Which is why they should put Faber vs Cruz on TUF.
(provided that Faber beats Wineland)
They need to market their new champion, and both guys are charismatic and good looking, making them a perfect fit for TUF…
Timing is good too as Faber will need rest after his fight at 128 and Cruz still needs a bit more time to make sure his hand is 100% come fight time…
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 17, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'm convinced
Faber walks down the streets and anytime he sees a good looking guy with a butt-chin he gets instantly invited to team Alpha Male.
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now, not only is he competing for a world title, he and Evans are masterfully building to a big money grudge match of their own as a follow up act.
Are you implying this is being staged by the two? I could buy it, seeing how Evans probably got a first hand lesson with the Rampage fight how big grudge matches sell. Hell, with the UFC monopsony setting up their own big money matches in the UFC might be the only leverage fighters really have.
I doubt Jones is, but I suspect Evans knows exactly what he’s doing.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree. The storyline is set. Evans has to be hoping for a Jones win now.
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It's like the Shock Doctrine...
the players are merely taking advantage of an organically created event. Rashad’s smart to do it, too.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 17, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It's win-win for Evans
Jones wins, Evans gets to take out the kid and be the first fighter to beat Jones (yes, I know, Hammill “won”, but Hammill didn’t beat him, the Unified Rules did).
Rua wins, Evans gets the chance he was denied by fate.
Evans can’t lose here, except for a draw or a controversial stoppage or decision that leads to a immediate rematch.
Now watch a split draw happen, 48-47, 47-48, 47-47.
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hey Snowden,
what do you think of a Evans vs Jones match if Shogun actually, you know, wins?
almost everyone is overlooking this possibility, but if it were for a #1 contender spot wouldn’t that be as exiting as a fight for the belt? also, is there any way you see this match going to a decision? i certainly don’t.
by Victor Rodriguez on Mar 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they intend to match Evans with the winner. So he’d get Shogun. But if he’s smart, and he is, he’d be slow building the Jones stuff all the while.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
its probably not entirely staged
but they certainly arent gonna play it down, they sense a big money fight so they’re gonna blow it up a bit
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by Tim Burke on Mar 17, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I liked "jog on"
Way better. In fact, I wish monopsony would jog on.
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC monopsony
I see this will be the new thing to drive me crazy around here. Thanks for the heads up.
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been using that to describe the UFC instead of monopoly since I started posting. It’s nice to see that it has finally caught on.
And I’ll give it until tomorrow until I’m sick of it as well.
It's neither
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA Talent
Isn’t the end all for what services are being rendered. That’s my issue with the terminology. From a purely legal standpoint, as I understand it, any of the terms would be laughable false. I suppose it’s functional as a fan of MMA describing something happening only in MMA but I find it misleading.
The “buyers” as it were have many different sellers since I can’t imagine anyone would boil it down to only MMA. There is entertainment. Sports. Sports Entertainment. There is really a ton of different sellers.for the buyers in any of the categories MMA fits into.
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
A monopsony can also be used to describe the relationship between a company and labor. The buyers are the UFC/Zuffa. The sellers are the fighters. Just as in 1975 it was major league baseball acting in collusion against the players is classified as a monopsony. Under your definition baseball players were either not aversely affected back then because they could have gone into another sport.
I’m not saying fighters are or are not adversely affected. All I am saying is it’s not actually a monopsony because there ARE more buyers than just the UFC. You have to boil it down farther than any one would ever do, at least as far as I can tell, in order for anyone to actually consider it one.
Hell, it’s not even the only combat sport these guys could do it they wanted. There are tons of buyers for their services.
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Within certain defined limits it does have monopsony/monopoly
If we assume that fighters have a specific skill set (for example if you’ve worked 20 years as a plumber, you have very strong skills in that area and shifting to another manual trade is possible but not a great option) which is “fighting” and therefore cannot easily be transferred to, say, tennis, football or other sports…
If we further assume that MMA fighters have honed their skill sets to be suited to MMA and therefore might not be so competitive in K1, BJJ or wrestling…
Then if you have one organisation that controls the vast majority of talented fighters (a situation in which most fighters in other promotions are mediocre or amateur)…
That organisation essentially holds a monopsony position on high level MMA talent.
Now:
If you assume that the buying public contains a segment of MMA fans – i.e. those who buy PPVs. People for whom MMA is a far superior entertainment option than other sports, and who want to watch at least SOME sport in their total entertainment viewing (in addition to TV, movies, music vids,live shows, which most people see at least some of)…
Then if one organisation dominates the offerings for high level MMA, then it essentially holds a monopoly position with respect to that segment. It’s like if one farm grows ALL the beef in the country. Although chicken is an option, they still hold the monopoly position in beef. Because there will always be a segment that wants beef, and chicken isn’t a 100% substitute. Most here will agree that there is no 100% substitute for quality MMA in their entertainment portfolio.
It's the new 'dichotomy'.
I remember a day when that word was in every recommended fanpost title and at least one front page article.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 17, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny how that happens
Like when everyone started using the word “narrative” for everything.
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
not that I remember
get to work!
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This is so true; you need that draw.
Rampage is a loose cannon. Shogun although p4p high up there is stuck with that language barrier, Machida needs to regroup, Randy too old, Mir too arrogant and unpredicatable, Brock is Brock, so Jones has that aura that Ali aura of personality and fight savy. If he is able to get through Rua, then the ascension to the top is assurd and so is his popularity. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.
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Why don't we settle down with the hyperbole of "Ali aura of personality and fight savy"
I know the kid has been talking a lot and saying some outrageous things, but let’s not get crazy..
Ali or Clay at the time had that aura at a very young age.
Hell at 20 or 21 he was a talking up storms winning fight and setting himself up for the title shot against Liston. He was younger than Jones and talked a lot of smack. Hell he even predicted the rounds he would win the fight in. I am just referencing personality and fighting ability; if Jones can pull them together like Ali did at his early age then the sky is the limits. However if he slips and falls then its back to the drawing board and reconstruction. Simply put; the pieces to the puzzles are on the Jones’s floor, He just has to assemble it.
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Every young fighter with a big mouth has been compared to Ali, from Naseem Hamed to Jon Jones. Muhammad Ali was a once in a life time phenom physically, politically and socially. Jon Jones is just a good young fighter with a high opinion of himself, not the modern equivalent of Muhammad Ali.
by sheikybaby on Mar 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser.
Patton was right then and he’s right now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Mar 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh ya he was.
I also liked the line “we will us their guts to clean the treads of our tanks.”
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by Derek Suboticki on Mar 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
correction accepted
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I remember someone (Maybe Subo) telling me how the UFC is doing a horrible job building the new breed of fighters and trying to push them into the limelight to replace the veterans that will hang em up soon. I agree with all of this cause they haven’t done much to build Jon Jones. I see the reason for his progression even displaying his “risky style” (it’s called using more than leg kicks and jabs) was all due to his domination of his opponents. They didn’t really do much for machida outside of badass trailers
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The UFC is not in the business of building fighters
The UFC is in the business of building the UFC, and breakout stars like Jon Jones are just a nice little extra.
by Pyrgz Krum on Mar 17, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point but
You need quality fighters that people can relate to in order to grab their attention. You need to give the audience a feeling of the fighter and a constant reminder that they’re human. Otherwise it’d be 2 strong men fighting each other for gold or like that Hugh Jackman movie “Real Steel”
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Hard to build a brand if no one wants to watch the fighters in that brand.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 17, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can you be a cross over star when you’re an American fighting a Brazilian in New Jersey and the crowd at the pre fight press conference are booing you and cheering your opponent? I don’t think Jon Jones has the likeability of a GSP or Randy Couture to be a mainstream star. Shogun would be a much better bet if he had ever learned even a little bit of English. Male model looks and a ferocious fighting style usually equal crossover star.
Or utter annihaltion
If Shogun commits utter annihalation then the fans will love him.
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male models
aren’t soft like shogun.
in fact, they look a little like Jones.
by silent.bisonte33 on Mar 17, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Male models
typically don’t rock the unibrow either.
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by Chris Barton on Mar 17, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I notice that too, ha. Manscaping robs you of fighting spirit, just ask Arlovski.
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by Jeremy Couturier on Mar 17, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Male model looks?
Have you seen Brazilians? If he was born in Bulgaria or Kazakhstan, maybe… he’s what we call a “Romanian 8.”
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't just a reply to you, but to everyone questioning the model thing. From Shogun's wiki:
Before he was a fighter, “Shogun” worked as a model in Brazil, doing books, pictures, and even fashion shows for brands.
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I certainly wasn’t providing serious analysis of Shogun’s modeling prospects….just commenting on the unibrow. Thanks though
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 17, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope shogun just dominates the first 2 rounds
and TKO’s him in the 3rd.
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I used to like Jones
… but with all this hype and him being shoved down my throat i would like nothing more than to see him fail miserably and embarrassingly.
Finally making Jones into a star? Didn’t they headline their first two shows on Versus with him? I’d say they’ve been working pretty hard at making Jones their next big star for a while now.
They’ve tried. Too bad he actually saw an audience decline. This is the next phase.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s also the Versus Channel. Bull ridin’ and deer huntin’
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Hunting and Shootin with Brock Lesnar; Next on Versus.
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You mean the second Versus show didn’t draw as much as the first Versus show?
Frankly, I’m not getting what you think they should’ve done differently in his case. I don’t think you can take a prospect and make him coach on TUF. I suppose they could’ve put him on a few PPV main cards against big names (like Tito), but that’s essentially what they did pairing him up against Vera and Matyushenko on Versus, no? What more should they have done?
How is putting him in with a big name the same thing as booking him with Vlad and Vera?
I think they are doing the the right things with Jones. That’s what the article is about. Not really following you here.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Vera has been a pretty big name in the UFC for a long time, I thought that was a proper fight for Jones at that point in his career. Maybe they could’ve put him against a guy like Tito instead of Vlad the 2nd time around, but the problem is that most big name guys seem to be running away from Jones at that point! Just look at what Griffin would say when asked if he wanted to fight Jones about a year ago!
By saying that the UFC is finally serious about making a new star in Jones, isn’t that implying they haven’t been serious about it before and could’ve done a better job at it? That’s how I took it.
I think the UFC has a tough task on their hands because as fighters become more well-rounded and better trained in all areas of MMA there will be less dominant fighters and more parody in the divisions. The belts will change hands continuously.
When I started watching MMA I couldn’t imagine a guy like Chuck or even Arlovski ever losing a fight since they looked so unbeatable. Aside from A. Silva and St. Pierre-neither of who really win over casual fans-who currently has that type of appeal?
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by Richard Wade on Mar 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jones is more grassroots, then UFC bred.
There is no denying his skill, presence, and potential and I think MMA fans caught on to that rather quickly (especially during the Hamill fight). I think the UFC noticed it around the Hamill fight and really siezed upon the opportunity.
Now, as I noted the other day, he’s got star-power like Lebron James and fans feel like they are riding the wave of the next big thing. It’ll be interesting to see how far he progresses and what he does when he has a setback (loss).
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I think people are just impatient.
Jones, Davis, Edgar and Velasquez all needed time to build up a body of work. With the exception of Edgar, they call got relatively clear shots at the top. It’s the great fights that make the legendary fighters. Chuck Liddell is Chuck Liddell because he fought and beat Tito and Randy, or even because of the first fight he lost with Randy.
It’s always easier and less risky to pit established talent against each other in big exciting fights. It’s a guaranteed draw, and unless they go on a big losing streak, most are unlikely to be too badly tarnished by a loss. It’s less the case with prospects. Anderson Silva has set an impossible precedent. I mean, even GSP loses, he did so twice on his way to becoming the monster he is today. Give these guys time, I know we’re looking for the next dominant star to blow up overnight and become a young phenom, but the thing about young phenoms is they’re young and phenominally rare.
Just watch, if Frankie Edgar wins against Gray Maynard, his popularity is going to go up by leaps and bounds. That first title fight was incredible, and if he can win the second, it will help build his legend. Though the promotion does put on the fights that make the star, it is the stars that have to put on the career that makes them legendary.
I like Frankie…but the UFC seems to be waiting for him to go away so they can hype more interesting fighters.
I dunno. I think if he wins this next fight, there’s just too much there not to hype him. The dude dominated Penn in that second fight, and managed to pull out a draw from the jaws of a first round beatdown that was nothing but pure incredible grit. The dude may not seem marketable, but he’s putting on exciting fights and I think eventually the marketability will come to him.
ignoring
Kos, leben, sanchez, mitrione, kingsbury, schaub, griffin, and rashad himself? Just because they aren’t a finished product doesn’t mean they aren’t valuable
by Austin Martin on Mar 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I am sorry. Did you just list people like Kyle Kingsbury, Brendan Schaub and Matt Mitrione in a discussion of stars that can carry the brand on PPV? None of them are even TV main eventers at this point.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Aside from winning fights, what do you feel are the necessary characteristics for a breakthrough fighter?
Intangible. You have to just have it. Timing, charisma, a combination of things. Winning fights isn’t always the key. It’s important. You can’t lose everytime. But guys like Frye and Shamrock and even Tito pulled it off after they had lost a step.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t think most of that (especially Tito) was residue from their previous success? They fell slowly, but they got high on the basis of consistently winning fights.
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by Derek Suboticki on Mar 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Schaub is on his way if (when) he beats Cro Cop. TUF was the first time a lot of people saw Roy Nelson, too.
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by Derek Suboticki on Mar 17, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Nelson? You have no idea what the topic is about clearly.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He was going to main event a PPV had he beat JDS.
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by Derek Suboticki on Mar 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
See above. That’s your transcendent star? The guy who might have had one main event had he not lost badly?
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you can “make” a transcendent star. That shit just kind of happens.
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by Derek Suboticki on Mar 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You can put people in the right place at the right time and hope for the best. But if you kill everyone off with a series of midcard battles and use valuable TV time for retreads and never will be’s, it’s harder.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This I can agree with wholeheartedly
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by Derek Suboticki on Mar 17, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically, what the WWF/WWE have done with varying degrees of success over the years
Recruit people that seem to have star charisma; give them training and advice and assistance to create an image and persona; put them on the big show and bring them up the “ranks” until they get a title shot… then if they are deserving (well, assuming you run the model correctly) they get to win the title and hold it for a while. You have to admit, Brock, the Rock, Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, Sting, Undertaker, Ric Flair, Randy Savage, Bret Hart etc make a pretty big stable of stars, some of which are pretty known to the mainstream (Hogan, The Rock, and I guess Undertaker and Stone Cold)
And one just "one main event"
It would have been a HW title shot that morphed into a TUF coaching gig and a fight against the biggest draw in the sport. Not too shabby.
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by Derek Suboticki on Mar 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t the UFC, especially Dana White, liked making a UFC event poster with Roy Nelson posing with his fat stomach. I love Roy Nelson but the optics of that are not what the UFC is in the business of selling. They want to put huge built guys with aspirational bodies out there.
I'm saying that they are serious prospects
Who are all doing well in the promotion and have a great chance of being main eventers in a few fights. Just because they aren’t at that level yet doesn’t mean the UFC failed to produce them as top tier talents. Nate Diaz is only 25 for cripes sake.
by Austin Martin on Mar 17, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No one is talking about main eventers. Every fight card has a main eventer.
by Jonathan Snowden on Mar 17, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree the UFC needs to do a better job of building stars and "homegrown" talent
But I don’t necessarily agree that TUF is the format to do it. For one, a true top prospect probably wouldn’t want to put himself through the hell hole of living in that house with 15 jackasses having his every move filmed with no music, books, or contact with the outside world. A blue chip prospect would probably make it into the UFC anyway so why go through the pain?
More importantly, TUF’s format doesn’t make stars as much as it does reality stars. If Forrest didn’t have the awesome fight with Bonnar he wouldn’t have made a name for himself, he was relatively low key on the show. A kid like Jon Jones is great in small doses in controlled settings but throw him in the TUF house and who knows what will happen? He might end up coming off as the aloof weirdo none of the other cast mates like or a Jesus freak that turns everybody off.
that's the problem with Pro-Wrestling comparisons.
in Pro-Wrestling you build a star by molding his act around something and market him accordingly. the fight game doesn’t work that way [e.g., Kimbo Slice had some hype, but he ultimately could not back it up on the big stage. there’s only so much you can do].
besides, while featuring fighters on reality shows sounds great for exposure, some talent can’t wait. a guy like Jones, who has grown exponentially in his short MMA career would have mopped up some contenders on TUF for all we know.
all in all, it’s got to be tough to build up a future superstar.
by Victor Rodriguez on Mar 17, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
are they really hyping a new star
or building him up for the title shot PPV ratings? Personally I thought he was about 3-4 fights away from a title shot, but after the Vera fight the UFC went into overdrive to push him as a star.
Great for him though, regardless of whether he wins or not he gets some rec. I just hope that if he loses, his confidence isn’t crushed.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
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I noticed this problem as well in that there aren’t many new stars being built into PPV draws that can replace the old. However, how does this come about? The Ultimate Fighter is a great vehicle for this, but what else? They put fighters who may be contenders in co-main event slots and even main event slots on Fight Nights, UFC on Versus, or Ultimate Finale cards. It is also up to the fighters as well in that many MMA fans have a difficult time supporting a fighter with a boring personality. Then, a fighter has to keep winning in order to stay in the minds of many MMA fans, but there are exceptions like Bisping, Sonnen and Koscheck. With Jones, I feel that the UFC has done the right thing with him.
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The problem with TUF is fighter have so many other options, Bellator and control your own fate and win 100k in three months, title shot, no house, MTV 2. SF challengers. So other options, then its whose the fighter and what div is the UFC doing on TUF.
Not speaking English for a fighter from Brazil also hurts. Guys like Charles Olivera, Yuri Alcantara, Edson Barboza, Massaranduba would have been perfect for last seasons LW TUF, but not speaking English keeps them out.
But hte UFC has done a great job signing top talent outside TUF. Building guys like Jones, Davis, Cain, JDS, fighters like Oliveira, Barboza, Weidman are signed.
I do think it would be good to get a top prospect like that on TUF so if he wins the show he has a bigger name. A guy like Phil Davis would be a major star right now, he is starting to get the push, big fight vs a top 15 LHW, some might even say top 10/12, main event on SPike, a win here pushes him into fights vs top guys, Rampage/Hamill, Thiago SIlva, Bader, Forrest, Franklin, Machida/Randy etc.
But imagine him coming off winning a TUF season. Unbeaten, great wrestler, long limbs, picking up bjj nicely, working on his striking, having 2 mill people a week watching him. He would be the next big star in the making but he wasnt on a TUF.
With so many other options its hard for the UFC to get the very best prospects to do TUF.
This is why doing a TUF Brazil, UK, Australia, China/Japan would be a great thing.
TUF Brazil is what needs to happen asap, plucking the top Brazilian fighters and making them stars in Brazil and getting fans behind them in Brazil would be very helpful.
Hopefully since this is the first time BW/FW get a shot they get alot of the top talent.
Jimmie Rivera, Carvalho, Sharipov, Alan Omer, Dantas, Yusup, Easton, Adams
by Aldo27 on Mar 17, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about Jose Aldo?
I know he doesn’t speak English but he is young, an absolute monster, puts on exciting fights and comes across as a nice guy having fun in his interviews. I think he has a lot of potential to become an international star but I fear that the America will never embrace someone who isn’t homegrown
Jones is def a star in the making. Young, black, athletic, exciting, new breed, intelligent, likable, has a good personality, is a good kid, easy to market him, good at interviews, they def have someone they can sell in the mainstream. He is from NY, dont think that doenst help, could be a good face for mma to get legalized in NY.
Now all he has to do is win the title come Sat.
Man I’m so amped for this fight/card, I’m pumped for every UFC event, every mma event, but I havent been this pumped for a fight in a while.
This, Silva/Vitor, Rashad/Page were the recent fights I was really amped to see.
Cant wait for Sat night. Jones wins he will have the world in his hands
i'm really hoping you put out an article title the rise and fall of jon jones after the fight
it’ll be like the ballad of john and yoko exceptm bitter sweet

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