UFC 128 Odds: Shogun vs. Jones Betting Odds
by Nick Thomas on Mar 15, 2011 9:00 PM EDT
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Are up - The Ultimate Fighting Championship makes its return trip to the Prudential Center in Newark, N.J. on March 19 featuring must-see matchups in every division.
The star-studded lineup includes a blockbuster headliner of Mauricio “Shogun” Rua defending his UFC light heavyweight championship against Jon "Bones" Jones and a co-main event featuring Urijah "The California Kid" Faber taking on Eddie Wineland in a battle at bantamweight.
From Joey Odessa (Sportsbook guy) - All late action has been on Rua, opened low, it was all Jones early and now its coming back down. Same crop seems to be on Rua that were on Vitor.. if that has any useless but historical significance.
Mar 19th, live on Pay-per-view from Newark, N.J.:
Main card:
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (19-4) +170 vs. Jon Jones (12-1) -210 [LHW title]
Urijah Faber (24-4) -550 vs. Eddie Wineland (18-6-1) +350
Jim Miller (19-2) -300 vs. Kamal Shalorus (7-0-2) +240
Dan Miller (13-4) +260 vs. Nate Marquardt (30-10-2) -300
Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic (27-8-2) +225 vs. Brendan Schaub (7-1) -280
On Spike at 9 p.m. ET:
Luiz Cane (10-3) -210 vs. Eliot Marshall (8-2) +170
Edson Barboza (7-0) -300 vs. Anthony Njokuani (13-4) +240
On Facebook at 8 p.m. ET:
Ricardo Almeida (13-4) -175 vs. Mike Pyle (20-7-1) +145
Kurt Pellegrino (16-5) +135 vs. Gleison Tibau (21-7) -165
Preliminary card:
Joseph Benavidez (13-2) -500 vs. Ian Loveland (14-7) +300
Erik Koch (11-1) -175 vs. Raphael Assuncao (16-3) +145
Nick Catone (8-2) -250 vs. Costantinos Philippou (7-1) +200
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i'm so fucking mad about benavidez and koch
this is bullshit
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
You and me both.
Remember though, thinking that relevant match-ups between highly ranked BW and FW fighters should be aired over fights between gatekeepers, journeymen, and fighters coming off multiple losses makes you an irrational WEC fanboy.
"[UFC]’s a great rush, eh? It makes your sphincter get real tight." - Harold Howard
by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
why are we watching luiz cane fight elliot marshall?
who asked for that matchup?
"I have smoked weed with alot of UFC champions" - Joe Rogan
"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
If we're lucky...
And a couple fights finish fast (and Benevidez puts on a good performance like usual) I am sure it’s the first thing they’d be looking to show during the PPV.
However, you could always fire up the Twitter and let DW know we’d all like to see that bout.
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I have no goddamn clue.
Cane is coming off two losses and Marshall was let go in his last UFC stint for being a cautious, boring fighter. Yet somehow these two fighters are being aired over the number fucking 2 BW in the world.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
even the two facebook prelims deserve to be aired on tv more than the spike fights
spike tv sucks, i seriously want the UFC to be done with them
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At least they broadcast in HD...
I didn’t realize how degraded the picture was with Bellator on MTV2 until I went to MMA Live on my DVR right afterwards. Wasn’t that long ago that it wouldn’t have been a big deal, but being jaded now, I’d watch paint dry in HD over most SD broadcasts.
Luckily for Bellator I’m a junkie of the MMA variety and will continue to watch their events, even if it is on non-HD. Hopefully they can upgrade that down the road.
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Really? HD has only been mainstream for a few years. After maybe 5 mins watching I don’t notice anyways. I will admit that SD channels on a lot of fancy HD TVs looks like shit compared to an old SDTV
Sports in HD is the only way to go
Anything else, I could care less, but with sports in HD are amazing. I hope the 3D TV craze never catches on…I can’t afford to get all new shit.
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I thought
that Spike TV got to pick which fights they got? Wasn’t that the issue with Grove bad mouthing how Spike shows the guys in the house and then he got booted off the prelims?
Not saying they’re justified in airing those fights either, I just assumed that Spike would always try to air guys who have been on TUF.
I don't get it...
I’d think you’d want the WEC guys on the Spike prelims as much as possible… That’s where the most people are going to be watching (That or FB, anyways), and they consistently put on wild, fast-paced, entertaining fights…. I thought the whole point of th aired prelims was to put on fights that might convince additional people to order the PPV broadcast. I’m dumbfounded.
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"I can’t wait until Shogun blows up everyone’s dreams on Saturday." - by Tim Burke on Mar 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
"And still waiting for a championship. After Saturday, they will still have that in common." (Comparing Bones and Lebron) - by memitim on Mar 15, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
"Within a minute of the first takedown that Jones gets, Shogun will sweep and mount him and then he’ll finish it pretty quickly." - by Luke Nelson on Mar 15, 2011 3:55 PM EDT
especially since benavidez is a marketable personality
and a future champ at 125
this is very very dumb, if i had a twitter i’d be up the baldfathers ass
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Benavidez should be on TV I agree
I am not sure about Assuncao/Koch.
Shalorus and Njokuani are being shown. Plus Faber and Wineland is co-main. That’s damn good considering how stacked this card is.
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It's gonna be on the broadcast...
unless it’s ridiculously uneventful.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless the fight's a boring disgrace of decision....
they will get that fight onto the main card broadcast. I never understood why after the main event, they don’t just show every undercard fight, regardless of outcome. They have the time, and I’ll keep watching, especially since I’ve plunked down 55 bucks.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't they sell the undercard fights on the site the next day?
That’s probably why.
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Eyebrows raised at this.
Same crop seems to be on Rua that were on Vitor.
Not many appealing underdogs on this card though except Shogun. Maybe Shalorus if you think his dick kicks and sloppy boxing are enough to win the day against the overall better fighter.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
shalarous is gonna get tooled on the feet
miller is superior in every aspect
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"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Don't sleep on Shalorus
Miller is an excellent fighter, but Shalorus has vastly better wrestling credentials and there’s no reason to believe he can’t take the fight to the ground any time he wants. If he were determined to simply take Miller down, I think he should be no worse than even given how MMA matches are scored. However, Shalorus loves to stand and bang. Nevertheless such a fight might actually work out in his favor, given that judges appear to prefer sluggers to tactitcans (see eg Garcia’s fights) and Shalorus has an iron chin.
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
having watched the shalarous vs varner fight and the shalarous vs bart fight
i cant imagine that he is on miller’s level by any means
however he should have lost both those fights and appeared to only win because he is a slugger which is a valid point
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"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
He’s an elite wrestler (with a top ten finish at the Worlds in freestyle wrestling) dressed in a slugger’s clothing however, which means that if he decides to wrestle he can cause problems for just about anyone. At these odds I’m definitely laying down some (notional) dollars on him, although he is a bit of a question mark because of his propensity to slug it out.
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your assessment of Shalorus....
but damn I hope Miller wins that fight. He’s toiled in relative obscurity for a good while now, and with a win here, I don’t know what else he would need to do to be in a contenders line, behind the obvious Pettis/Guida winner and other premier lightweight matchups going on over the coming months.
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You are too often blinded by wrestling credentials.
Shalorus gassed something awful against Bartimus and couldn’t even keep Bart down long enough to be effective from top control. Bartimus isn’t on Miller’s level, and neither is Kamal by the looks of it.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Shalarous has great credentials for a skill he never uses in the cage. Shalarous is a talented dude with a really really low fight IQ.
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Good summary of Shalorus
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people are actually overlooking his credentials. Being top 10 in freestyle at some point in the recent past is much more impressive than winning an NCAA championship. Credentials do not equal effective MMA wrestling, but in the absence of significant data points, you should assume that someone with great credentials will be able to impose his will on someone with significantly lesser credentials. (Just to show you I don’t have my head in the sand i’ll note that GSP v. anyone is a counter example; another counter example would be someone like Munoz, who has become a terrible wrestler, despite having excellent credentials. I can distinguish these cases however if you want me to.)
He gassed against Bart because he was going for the finish and failed to get it. This happens fairly frequently. If anything, given that this happened in his previous fight, he, one would hope, wouldn’t repeat the same mistake here.
Shalorus is not the smartest fighter though. If he had a GSP or Fitch like approach to the game, I’d be jumping up and down yelling about how this line is mispriced. I think it’s at least mildly mispriced because he has a clear path to victory (take Miller down and lie on him) and I don’t think that Miller will blow him out standing. At the very least Shalorus’s chin will keep him in it long enough to allow his wrestling or a haymaker to turn the tide of this fight.
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't look that fresh against Varner either.
Shalorus’ credentials are impressive. His MMA performances have been anything but. Ultimately, I feel like that is what should be important when assessing his chances in an MMA fight, not how he ranked in the international wrestling scene.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I am basing it on his fights
Against Varner, he failed to complete a couple TDs IIRC early in the fight — basically he caught his leg after Varner landed a leg kick and failed to finish. Once he committed to the TD he secured it without any issue, and that was in the third round so if he was gassed it didn’t impact his performance enough to prevent the TD. He took Jensen down with ease and Jensen had a background in college wrestling. The only time I’ve seen him struggle was against Bart and he had gassed. I stated above why I don’t think that will happen again. Basically when he’s wrestled he hasn’t had any problems taking down middling collegiate wrestlers who are around Miller’s caliber as you would expect given Shalorus’s background. Thus, I’m wedding his credentials with results.
If Shalorus implements a decent game plan, he has the tools to win. He could also win the fight by landing a haymaker or just playing it by ear and landing a couple takedowns. He has a great chin but perhaps suspect cardio. I like him at +240.
Where do you put the odds for this fight?
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you're overestimating his credentials....
in the absence of significant data points
What you take as an absence of data points, are actually data points. We’ve seen absolutely no evidence to tell us that those credentials have transferred over to MMA, Instead, we have data saying that he’s been unable to use that wrestling, which is more valuable to assessing him as an MMA fighter than his performance in another sport.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
See the above resopnse.
He’s taken down everyone except Bart when he was gassed. How is that not exactly what you would expect from him?
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Question for you, since you seem to follow wrestling a bit more than me.
What were King Mo’s credentials like prior to entering the sport? How highly regarded was he?
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Very highly regarded. He was rep for the US for three straight years (2005 -2007) which is very impressive. His best finish at the worlds was 9th (i think). He also won an NCAA championship. John Smith (legendary US wrestler) once said Mo was the only person who could beat Cael Sanderson (in the US).
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
1) Shalorus may have better credentials, but the dude never wrestles in MMA.
2) He doesn’t belong in the same cage as Miller- I can’t see Miller having any trouble here.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He tried to wrestle with Varner and Bartimus but it wasn't incredibly effective.
He had nasty TDD in the Jansen fight IIRC.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If nothing else this debate has made me vastly more interested in this fight. You can guys can call me out if Miller abuses Shalorus (which is certainly possible).
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the beauty of this sport....
on-paper assessments are often useless. Given what I’ve seen from both guys, I just can’t see how this is even competitive, but you’re view is as valid as any other, and it’ll be fun to watch.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I made the case for Shalarous a few days ago… I think we’re the only two, ha.
I mean, he’s probably not going to win, but he certainly has the ability to win, and he could definitely make it ugly.
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by Ephemeral Artery on Mar 15, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll have a hard time pinning Miller to the mat on his back. BJJ black belts Mark Bocek and Gleison Tibau couldn’t, and the one time Maynard made the mistake of taking him down Miller had his leg before he knew what happened.
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by JustBlogGuy on Mar 15, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Njokuani seems solid at +240
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Ehhh
Njokuani has no grappling to speak of and Barboza has better credentials and experience standing. I don’t like his odds.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I just can’t wait to see Barboza again. I want Barboza-Oliviera BAD
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody seems to be giving up on Oliviera. Losing to Miller so early in your career isn’t the end of the world. He’s still a good fighter, he just got rushed.
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he's just a pup...
and probably fighting in the wrong weight class… he could very well be the guy to beat Aldo.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
if there is a undefeated 24 year old prospect with a solid muay thai background
fighting a guy who went 500 in the WEC, bet against the WEC guy
this is a showcase for barboza
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Definitely. Lullo seems like a crazy tough guy, and he couldn’t walk post Barboza, and probably took ~10 leg kicks. Imagine what’s going to happen when Barboza hits a few leg kicks then goes to the head. It’ll be devastating. I like Njoukani, but he seems OVERvalued to me.
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Be really impressed if
Miller can beat Marquardt. I don’t see it happening but it would be great to see another contender at MW.
Yeah, no way...
I’d give Mirko a better shot of winning than Dan. And I give him about a 5% chance. Although I always wished for the sake of Miller’s difficult personal life that he’d be more successful in the UFC.
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"I can’t wait until Shogun blows up everyone’s dreams on Saturday." - by Tim Burke on Mar 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
"And still waiting for a championship. After Saturday, they will still have that in common." (Comparing Bones and Lebron) - by memitim on Mar 15, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
"Within a minute of the first takedown that Jones gets, Shogun will sweep and mount him and then he’ll finish it pretty quickly." - by Luke Nelson on Mar 15, 2011 3:55 PM EDT
HEY
Nate always beats some Ass after taking a loss. Hell Nate might beat Silva if he is coming off a fight where he loses from not doing Jack Shit (Sonnen and Okami).
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
tragically, for Nate....
he has to win to get that fight. And the cycle begins anew….
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh......
So true. I feel bad for Dan, Because Nate is gonna do that crazy ass nine hit combo on him to put him to sleep. Then he will fight, Brian stann and get knocked out
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
Dan Miller would put Stann on his back and tap him.
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by JustBlogGuy on Mar 15, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be shocked if they cut Nate on a loss here...
I would also be more shocked if he loses to D. Miller.
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Shogun is being disrespected by the oddsmakers
The champion as +170 dog is just ridiculous.
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by thetakeover on Mar 15, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So True.
I read yesterday that someone is actually beting their 41k check on shogun.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
you mean from the comments section here?
I took that as a joke, unless it was referencing a real tstory of someone dropping their 401k on Rua?
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
With Shogun Fans
They are almost as Loyal as Fedor fans, I wouldnt be surprised if bet his wife and kids on Shogun.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
Oddsmakers don't make lines based on respect, they make them so that they profit the most.
If you want to complain about people that don’t respect the champion, you should be complaining about the betting public.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oddsmakers sole goal is to set the lines in such a way that they win no matter which fighter wins the fights. This means that heavily bet lines are a very good reflection of how the money has come in on the fight. (If too much money is coming in on Bones, they’ll increase Shogun’s pay out (ie, make him more of an underdog) so that bets start coming in on Shogun and the payouts for the bookies balance themselves out.)
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
screw the oddsmakers...
The lack of respect from the UFC is more unsettling. Since when did they do a half of a Primetime episode to only hype one fighter in the Main??? And the challenger, at that! Ming=boggled.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering about Jon Jones' comments regarding the odds
He said that the oddsmakers were counting on Shogun winning and therefore made him (Jones) the favorite.
Isn’t that backwards though? If Shogun wins as the underdog, the house is going to be paying out quite a bit more than they would if he won as the favorite, no?
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yes...
it was a totally misinformed (that’s not what the odds are telling us), or misguided (trying to be humble) statement.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yes its backwards
if you bet/risk $100 on shogun and he wins you will take home a total of $270 ($100 original bet + the $170).
You would have to bet/risk $210 in order to win a profit of $100 if jones wins ($220 original bet + $100 winning = total take home $320)
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Pellegrino +135
seems like a very good bet, surprised he came out as the underdog
god
If I gambled, I would have lost so much money on Cro Cop by now, and looking at that line I’d probably continue to do so… fuck it
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1. Bet on anyone who fought in PRIDE.
2. Die penniless
3. ???
4. Profit.
by Andy Davis on Mar 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Must've done decent on that Mar Kunt/Tuchschererschererschererscherer fight though.
Prolonging the inevitable penniless death and subsequent profit.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
At least you still have Anderson Silva
But seriously, if Cro Cop wins with a left high kick KO (still pretending it can happen, is this guy, Joe) how many pants will explode from euphoria? I say all the internets.
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We still need a goddamned Cro Cop/Nogueira II matchup (UFC Rio?)
But if he wins by LHK, I’m also ok with him retiring…
The only good bug is a dead bug!
by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm I like it.
Only if Cro Cop wins though
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
CC / Nog II can be 1) epic. or 2) embarassing. However, I am willing to take that chance if CC wins.
Agreed
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to comment that Benavidez should be on the televised card....
good to see plenty of people feel that way. His fights are always entertaining, I hope his fight gets broadcasted.
When you eat a candy bar or have a wonderful dessert, have a diet drink. The calories are cancelled out by the diet drink.
i call bs on that haneda airport and narita airport are still operating?
i was suppsoe to go on thursday before i canceled the tickets .i asked was the flight still going the lady told me yes.
It’s not necessarily that he physically couldn’t make it, if a tragedy like that happened that class to my home chances are I wouldn’t be in any condition to fight a week later either.
Hey UFC4 go fuck yourself, how about that? Fucking punk, I was just asking for the source that says lesnar gets 5 mill a fight, it’s obvious one does not exist. Bunch of gabronis on a site pulling figures out of your ass.
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by ufc4 on Mar 15, 2011 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The distraction has to be immense. I’m sure DayGeaux or Machiavellian or some others from the bayou would probably say just going to work or school right after Katrina seemed difficult, much less preparing for a fight against a top-5 opponent
The only good bug is a dead bug!
by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, there’s a lot going on over there, especially for him. I wouldn’t be calling BS on anything.
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Call Bs?
That’s pretty unwarranted considering he’s doing what the majority would do. As in take care of your family and friends in such a time as this. Everything he knows is destroyed no power, possible nuclear melt down on the limb. How or why would u call bs? He’s doing what a man would do drop everything when your blood or country men are in peril.
by Bloodsport on Mar 15, 2011 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Would that have helped
with I’m sure the many people he knows effected by the tsunami. In short, youre a prick if you don’t understand why someone wouldn’t call off work after a disaster of that magnitude.
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
I took it more as...
he couldn’t focus on the fight with the tragedy, rather than an inability to get here….could be wrong though.
I was really looking forward to that fight, too.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
word to your mom
how will jones react when he gets hit in the noggin by a three punch combination???? we will find out!
I’m afraid shogun will snap one of jones’ skinny legs with one of his kicks…that would be gross…
You gotta pay the troll toll to get into this boy's hole, you gotta pay the troll toll to get in.
I'm insanely invested in the main card of this event
I mean, most of the time, there are guys I like and guys I’d prefer to win, but this is different.
I passionately root for Cro Cop, Dan Miller, and Jim Miller every time they figtht. I passionately root against Urijah Faber every time he fights.
The main event is actually the one where I am just about even, I don’t really care as much who wins this one.
The one thing that sucks is most of the guys I want to win, Cro Cop and Dan, are underdogs. I want Faber to lose and he is a favorite. Jim is only one I’m rooting for that ‘should’ win.
And I would say I am leaning toward Jones though, because I think he gets a lot of unwarrented hate, and between the Jones fanboys and the Shogun/Pride fanboys, the latter get on my nerves a LOT more.
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I think
Faber is vastly overlooking his opponent this time, and I think it will cost him as well.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
Why the passionate rooting against Faber?
just curious
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I passionately hate him too...
There’s just something about his cockiness that’s tremendously grating to me. Also, I hate the name “Team Alpha Male.” It just screams of meathead douchery.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I passionately agree with you...
That name Team Alpha Male, and his nickname the California Kid, Sounds like something from Jersey Shore!
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
And his corn-rows, and his existence….list goes on.
I definitely respect him as a fighter though.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Same Here. like Like I dislike Frank Mir and Especially Nick Diaz, but I respect Mir. I dont think I will ever Respect Diaz.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
You're just jealous of his follical superiority to your Master
Cornrows? Why’d it have to be cornrows?
/frantically searches internet for image of cornrows on a monks tonsure.
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Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
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that's just...
it’s so…I can’t…. it’s like…. /head explodes
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You wouldn't be the first legend to rock that look
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
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Jerry Rice's corn-rows...
would get prison raped by the above, fine, upstanding citizen’s rows.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
if you think that corn-rows are superior to master's inexplicable coif....
then there’s nothing I can do for you. It is already too late.
by John Danaher's Hair on Mar 15, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's just because I'm from Sacramento
But he definitely seems more goofball than arrogant meathead to me.
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Team Alpha Male is an incredibly douchey name
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by Anthony Pace on Mar 15, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much everything they mentioned above
I know he’s a good fighter, but I can’t stand virtually everything about him.
I just get the vibe that if we knew eachother, I probably wouldn’t be able to stand talking to him for more than a few minutes.
I mean, it’s not JUST that he is cocky, its the way he is, plenty of guys are confident, but it’s just his attitude about it.
I dislike Mir as well for the same reason, you can tell he thinks he’s like the best sh!t since sliced bread, but he tries to hide it behind his demeanor, when he critiques other fighters he has such a condescending attitude about it.
Diaz I rather like though, just because of his style, not a fan of Diaz the pot smoker, or Diaz the mean mugger.
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"The reality is we now own Strikeforce"
by Chris Groves on Mar 15, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
If there was ever one person that I just hated and disliked everything about him it would be Nick Diaz
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
Fair enough, each to his own. I don't think I could tolerate him in person
The ‘thug’ persona etc etc but the way he fights is enough to counterbalance that for me.
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"The reality is we now own Strikeforce"
by Chris Groves on Mar 15, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Im really want this Daley fight to happen so Diaz will get put to sleep.
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
i am sure you have seen the pics of him giving the middle finger
in childhood class photos. somethings tells me that is just how the diaz brothers are. the faker of the group to me would be jake he gets a little tough when they come around his personality changes
I didn't mean to imply that it was a put on
I think it’s genuine, I just don’t particularly like it.
I’ll be rooting for him like crazy to beat Daley though.
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"The reality is we now own Strikeforce"
by Chris Groves on Mar 15, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
What did butt-chin ever do to you?
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
It's just an accumulation of everything about him
The way he talks, conducts himself, everything.
I know if I ever fought, and I were able to fight at 135(I could maybe make the cut), I know exactly who my rival would be.
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"The reality is we now own Strikeforce"
by Chris Groves on Mar 15, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know what i liked more brown knocking him around for 5 rounds or aldo
mmm it would have to be the aldo fight (superman a.k.a faber because of the strong butt chin) relies heavy on his physical skills not so much technique to beat oppenents. when he fought aldo he turned back into clark kent. he just looked lost after a while he put up a good fight. he just had a look like how is this guy so much faster than me . why can’t i do what i want to do.
also that was how brown caught him in there first fight. springing back elbow off the cage really? this is not lucha libre and he paid for it. he should have created some space and reset himself.
Yeah, I was a senior when that fight happened
and someone I knew(barely) was being very cocky about ‘knowing’ Faber was going to win, spouting off all this stuff about ’He’s going to get his belt back’ and I just kept saying ’we’ll see dude, we’ll see’
Safe to say I loved the result of the fight.
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"The reality is we now own Strikeforce"
by Chris Groves on Mar 15, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's your answer
Faber stole his girl.
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So stoked
Herb Dean will be the third man for Rua Vs Bones.
by Bloodsport on Mar 15, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like those odds on Pyle
I’m picking Pyle.
"If I had a dollar for every brain you don't have, I'd have one dollar." - Squidward Tentacles
As far as underdogs go, I like Pellegrino, Philippou and maybbeee CC.
Catone has done nothing to impress me and he hasn’t fought in over a year. Plus, he was going to move down to WW but now he’s fighting at 195. Philippou seems like a strong bet at +200.
I don’t love CC in this fight but Schaub has never fought a striker of CC’s caliber.
War Shogun
I’m going to say Shogun is slightly undervalued on the theory that Shogun’s knee is actually healthy. I feel more confident that his knee is healthy now that I’ve learned (thanks to Orcus’s transcription of an interview with Shogun) that Shogun knew he would fight the winner of Jones-Bader and had an opportunity to defer the title fight but went ahead and said he wanted to fight anyway.
A one sided case for a healthy Shogun:
1. A healthy Shogun could set a pace that wears Bones out; Bones looked tired in the third against Bonnar).
2. Shogun is a human weapon and is one of the best finishers ever.
3. Shogun is very, very good at BJJ and I think he’ll be able to avoid damage on the ground and potentially sweep Jones (using leg locks).
4. Shogun’s chin is outstanding.
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by The Darkness on Mar 15, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
let me reply to your questions sir
1. how many fights ago was when jones fought bonnar. also how many crazy moves did jones pull off on bonnar. bonnar is always game and not a bum he is hard to control.
2. i can’t argue on that
3. hmm going for the leg lock/sweep might not work in the early rounds. if jones tires it will work easy. with shogun coming off the surgery a ground battle is not where he wants the fight.
4. also can’t argue with that but if jones gets it down and gets a good position. the elbows won’t knock rua out but enough in a row will lose him the match.
This^ 100%
Jules: Normally, both your asses would be dead as fucking fried chicken, but you happen to pull this shit while I'm in a transitional period so I don't wanna kill you, I wanna help you. But I can't give you this case, it don't belong to me. Besides, I've already been through too much shit this morning over this case to hand it over to your dumb ass.
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