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Why The Big SF Deal Is Not That Big Of A Deal After All

I watched the interview with Dana and Ariel (www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/12/2046507/ufc-purchases-strikeforce-dominance-of-american-mma-landscape) and throughout it Dana keeps making it out to be no big deal, saying that Strikeforce will be an autonomous organisation, just that they're earning for Zuffa now, and that Coker is still the man and can do what he likes. But at the same time he keeps saying "we needed more fights". I don't understand how the Strikeforce deal really achieves "more fights" rather than "more money", except in the small way that we can presume they'll be scheduling events to complement each other now rather than compete, unless Dana's not giving us the whole story...which of course should shock nobody.

There are lots of rumours flying around about what the whole story could be, some from reputable sources and journalists and some from total eejits I know in real life that started watching the fights when Brock won the belt - and everyone in between. If there's anything Dana loves more than Pinkberry and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on sabretooth bones, it's killing the competition but they're really stressing the point that they've chosen not to kill Strikeforce, and Dana's certainly not gloating the way he normally would.

Also it's been part of Dana's MO for a long time now to bring the best fighters in the world under the UFC banner, and what seems to have fans most excited about this deal is the possibility of Strikeforce fighters coming to the UFC, either permanently or for individual fights. Some people seem to think Strikeforce will be disbanded in no time and that we'll have Overeem fighting for the belt by christmas. I doubt it will, and we won't. When Dana says the contracts with Strikeforce still stand I believe him and I guess it's easy to forget that the things that stood in the way of guys like Alistair, Fedor and Aoki fighting in the UFC are still standing in the way, and where some people are seeing dream fights I think the more likely situation is that we just won't be seeing these guys fighting in America at all anymore - if not with Strikeforce. It's feasible that Alistair would take a break from kickboxing to test the waters in the UFC, it's feasible that, having lost, Fedor will bite the bullet and commit to fighting in the best organisation in the world for the first time in a very long time and it is feasible that Aoki would take a short contract, putting another nail in to the coffin of Japanese MMA, to more than likely suffer beatings as bad or worse than the one he got off Gilly. It's feasible but unlikely, and these three specific examples are made no more likely by the implicit power Zuffa will now have in negotiating with Strikeforce and fighters under contract with Strikeforce.

Of course Aoki, Fedor and THE REEM are not the only three fighters Strikeforce has that the UFC might want, and that most of us want to see in the UFC, but when you really scrutinise the list it's not as long as it seems, or at least not as appealing.

Heavyweight:
Josh Barnett - will never fight in the UFC again, probably past it
Fabricio Werdum - didn't quite cut it in the UFC, despite the Fedor thing
Andrei Arlovski - career is probably over
Sergei Kharitonov - let's see how the rest of the SF tourney goes

Light Heavyweight:
Dan Henderson -  who knows
Renato Sobral - washed out of the UFC

Welterweight:
Paul Daley - will never fight in the UFC again according to Dana
Nick Diaz - would love him back in the UFC, but can you imagine it happening?

So ignoring those fighters, and Fedor/Overeem/Aoki which I talked about earlier, as far as I'm concerned you're left with about fifteen fighters, mostly either at the beginning of their careers or approaching the end, that could be "brought to the UFC" or "fighting back and forth" that everyone seems excited about. For me, there are very few fighters here I could see surviving or thriving in the UFC or that the UFC would be too excited about acquiring, for these reasons.

More famous than talented:
Cung Le,
Jason Miller,
Brett Rogers.

Still only good at one thing:
Roger Gracie (sorry),
Melvin Manhoef (but I still love you),
(sub-heading still only a wrestler: King Mo, Daniel Cormier)


Exciting but probably not good enough:
Cyborg Santos,
Robbie Lawler,
Tyron Woodley,
Shane del Rosario,
Ovince St. Preux.

By my count this leaves: Rafael Feijao (just got KTFO so it's hard to be too hyped right now), Gegard Mousasi (it breaks my heart, but he's probably the new Denis Kang), Antonio "Bigfoot" Silva who is a pleasant and talented fighter but who will never sell a PPV and still relies too much on the fact that he was a bantamweight on the day he was born, Tim Kennedy (maybe), Gilbert Melendez who I would love to see at 155 or 145 in the UFC and Jacare who, in my opinion, is the fighter with the most potential currently fighting in Strikeforce.

I could be a denier of the Moon landings, I could believe Dana killed JFK and I would still have a hard time believing that Zuffa bought Strikeforce for some unfeasible amount of money to give themselves more of a chance at getting their hands on ANTONIO SILVA, GILBERT MELENDEZ and RONALDO SOUZA. I think, for once, I might take Dana White at his word.

I had no intention of writing such a long post but there you have it, why I don't think the big Strikeforce deal is that big of a deal at all. The thought of an influx of new fighters in to the UFC is obviously exciting but since first hearing about the Strikeforce deal I've quickly gotten less and less excited. Please feel free to call me an idiot.

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what are 'eejits?'

Matt Janecek
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by mjanecek on Mar 13, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yer an idiot!

…you asked for it :)

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by mjanecek on Mar 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva who is a pleasant and talented fighter but who will never sell a PPV and still relies too much on the fact that he was a bantamweight on the day he was born

i lol’d

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by Bonedoctor on Mar 13, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem here is that Strikeforce doesn’t have exclusive contracts with these guys, so a lot of these guys have contracts, and commitments with other organizations around the world, something that UFC isn’t going to deal with. When Dana says that he is going to honor their SF contracts, what I hear is that he is going to make sure the fighters have fulfilled their contracts to other organizations, and then offer them exclusive deals or send them on their way to a MMA world that has one less lucrative option.

by dpk875 on Mar 13, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Umm you forgot someone...

Don't let my support confuse you, I am in fact a fan of the Giants.

by tito (eight and oh) on Mar 13, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And the man Griggs beat down in Bobby Lashley who is still technically under contract to Strikeforce until the end of april, or there abouts. Also your wrong on Gegard, so so wrong, its laughable? What makes you think he’s on his way to being the next ‘Denis Kang(s)’? If anything, especially if he dispatchs of Kyle in easily or in a talkabout fashion, I’d say he’s the completely opposite. Kids still super young and obviously, super talented and obviously smart enough about his career that he ditched M1 when he knew what was up, that he’ll have no problems making it in the UFC. Your right in thinking that alot of fighters are gonna endup with the shitty end of the deal no matter what though. Im in the camp of this ‘acquistion’ being not a good one for the sport in General, the fans and esp. the fighters. Hoping im wrong, but dont think so ;/ Also think it kinda sucks to hear that Coker tried to take the helms fully somehow, but just didnt/couldnt make it happen. It was his Baby no doubt so least he’s still involved somehow, which is a good thing for the sport imho. Still hard to believe that its happened actually lol

How do you Know where Im at? If you dont Know where Ive been...Understand where Im coming from??

by Chiggs on Mar 13, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like Mousasi. For some reason I had it in my head that he’d lost a couple of his most recent fights but then I checked his record and he’s only lost once in like four years haha, I guess that fight with Mo really had an effect on me. Sorry about that.

by goo on Mar 13, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the general tone of the post

I find White’s reasoning for the buyout disingenuous. SF has a handful of fighters that I think the UFC could have gotten a hold of eventually. SF is not a place to develop careers, it’s a place to go when you want to fight and the UFC doesn’t want you or can’t take you right now.

The rationale makes more sense in terms of the WEC purchase, the UFC DID see a huge influx… two entire divisions plus added value to 155. But the SF deal seems like pure consolidation. .

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Mohandas Gandhi

"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali

"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."

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GSP

by jackbox on Mar 13, 2011 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Good points.

"For your information, I would like to ask a question."
-Samuel Goldwyn

by fedorade on Mar 13, 2011 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

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