Fedor Questions Overeem's Rapid Growth

Who’s fighter bashing? Me?

But, you can supplement with testosterone LEGALY!

The problem with PEDs is that there IS a GRAY line…

There is a fuzzy area, depending on the sport. The same supplements can be either legal or illegal based on dosage…
Doctors give the $hit out like candy…
Fighters can use the same thing legaly to rehab injuries…
I think the biggest problems occur when fighters, such as most of the HW in this tournament, usually fight overseas where there is no commission.
They appear in the US for 1 fight and pass a piss test on ONE day out of the year?
Fedor fought in this environment for years in Japan…Why complain Now
HMMM maybe the pot calling the kettle black??
After all, his Baby Fedor was juicing and it wasnt obvious….

Alistair is usually always shirtless…He cant hyde his unnatural physique.

He fights overseas mostly, so he is not doing anything wrong…

I can get on the scale and weigh 170 and 15 min later weigh over 180…It is not gaining weight…it is what the scale said at that particular time…

They are not using your mom’s scale, the only way it would change is if you consumed 10 pounds of food/fluid.

Mir went from 245 to having to cut weight to make 265 in 5 months. I can’t say its impossible, but in my career I have never seen a 30 year old man who was already training gain 25+ pounds of lean mass in 5 months unaided, but I have no idea how much was lean mass.

I also can’t say this is impossible:

He most likely cuts some water weight for the weigh ins in order to look better on the scales…Mir is a vein (SIC) person…

Bottom line – we know nothing about either guy’s actual usage, although given the sort of training Overeem does and the long period of time, he would likely have blown up to 265+ from 228 in under 2 years if he were using AASs during that time.

Mir’s weight gain was one of the main storylines going into the Carwin fight. C’mon dude, stop working to be provocative.

Easily 40 to 50 lbs heavier( and lean) than a previously in shape Mir .
FWIW I liked Mir at that size. I would have liked to see him grapple with brock and Carwin at that size.

Any of those guys you mentioned can put most people’s lights out at any time.

First, yes, at least theoretically because neck muscle strength is one of the prime determinants in “chin”. You also have to think about how much more easily one can be KTFO when your mouth is open gasping for breath as Overeem often did in his LHW days.

At the end of the day, if the K-1 guys weren’t turning his lights out, I’d say its at least good.

Overeem beat Shogun up bad in the stand-up until Shogun got him to the ground and TKO’d him from mount the first time and KO’d him with a diving punch into guard the second time. Wouldn’t read into his stand-up defense too much based on either of those fights.

Also, the Chuck fight was an eternity ago. Overeem has evolved a great deal since then.

but his kickboxing has progressed to a point to where he can really minimize his exposure while putting himself in a position to be able to deal damage. He does have 5 inches in height and probable 8-10 inches in reach on Fedor afterall.

Fedor and Vadim talk way to much about Overeem, and it’s making them look worried/scared. It didn’t bother them with Barnett, and now Bigfoot. But they’re bitching about a guy who has never failed a test? GTFO

I’m an SC Coach, and no, there is nothing strange about a man who has the time and resources to train full time starting in the 220s adding 40 pounds of lean mass (or 25 like Overeem did) over 4 years when they did not previously train using any form of heavy lifting techniques.

I wouldnt say that for GSP, not enough mass to tell
Overeem yes, he lack legs tho. Get that squat up

I was comming up with “common sense” reasons one would believe he used.

Please Fedor and M1 stop w/ all the questioning he not on it. This tournament just seems to good to be true. I just feel someones gonna bow out of the tournament not allowing for the The Reem vs Fedor fight.

As for the speculations of ROIDs come on then you would have to suspect the entire American Top Team camp, b/c all of those guys are huge. What about Gleison Tibau, if you gonna speculate and be uneducated then take down everyone while your at it.

Is that even an argument? Some steroids are undetectable past 4 weeks, 2 weeks or even a few days. I have no idea what Barnett did but anybody knowing what he injects can pass those tests

But hey I am not cynical towards people who achieve things I cant.

What he did is completely achievable (less than 12 kilos (actually 25 pounds) over about 4 years).

….If Overeem thinks Fedor is scared of him when he isn’t, advantage Fedor. Whether or not he is on PEDs.

Also, if Fedor succeeds in turning the court of public opinion against Overeem it could very possibly affect Overeem, especially if he is clean.

As opposed to drug tests which explicitly state what they will be testing for…

But the fact remains that physical changes, especially growth in muscle, is a good indicator of PED use. In fact it’s pretty much the third best indicator behind blood and urine testing.

Don’t put words into my mouth please, and don’t suggest that because I look at pictures of athletes competing at the highest levels in a sporting world where performance enhancing drug use is rampant and think that someone is using based on said pictures that I would apply the same sort of logic and reasoning to other issues.

…I did. And isn’t this forum a place to come bullshit with your cyberfriends?

skinny as in “more muscular than 95% of the population”? yes
He was no starvin’ marvin really

1. He was eating a diet by choice to keep his weight down as low as possible?

     - Certainly not. As a professional fighter simply by virtue of having to train twice a day he’s eating a higher calorie diet than a normal person. Just to maintain his weight he had to be eating a lot.

2. He went from no lifting to heavy lifting?

   - Again, I’m going to go with certainly not. I’m not sure if this is something that he has said to explain his growth as reasonable, but there is no way that he was a professional fighter who just trained punching and kicking and pushing bodies around. That would be ridiculous.

..So there are guys who also take PEDs that don’t show noticeable gains. And you are using that as proof that using before and after pictures to suppose someone used is stupid?

Athletes use PEDs not to gain weight, but to be able to train multiple times a day without fatiguing. In MMA they have weight classes, so they tailor their regimes to keep their weight the same, while still having the benefits of the drugs.

Some may use it to gain weight, like bodybuilders and baseball players. Baseball players, since they have no weight classes, all got huge because it didn’t matter, they used the drugs, trained more than normally possible and got the gains you’d expect. MMA fighters generally don’t gain weight on PEDs because they don’t want to.

But in the case of AO you have to ask, why did he move up to heavyweight at 27 years old after fighting for 8 years at LHW. Did he all of a sudden decide “hey I’m going to lift weights now and see what happens?” Did he decide that the HW division had less killers than LHW? Was the weight cut getting harder and harder because he was getting bigger and bigger?

Barry Bonds and all sorts of baseball players failed the picture test and later failed the blood testing. It’s not stupid by any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps in MMA it is less applicable in most cases, but I explained why that was. In AOs case it is fine because the before and after pictures are damning.

…this would explain why it was hard for him to cut the weight….Was he not doing it North American style?

I only say this because it isn’t unheard of for guys like Forrest Griffin and others to cut down from 230+, and if Overeem was doing it properly it wouldn’t be nearly as difficult as he claimed it would, right?

Everyone’s head gets bigger past 23years old? huh? heavier brows, wider jaw.. thats one delayed puberty.

and my brow ridge is sloped like a gorilla.

Barry Bonds’ shoe, hat and glove sizes all went up after 30. Brock Lesnar grow 3" taller after 21. Those are documented facts. Brock said it himself recently.

I stated earlier I was talking about HGH, not steroids for thoses changes. If he used one theres no doubt in my mind he used the other.

The left looks pretty normal (minus the wing), but the right has 2 arms and like a C or D cup.