Yes, Michael Bisping Does Deserve My Scorn
by MMABookworm on Feb 28, 2011 1:13 PM EST
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Consider the following to be a response to Jonathan Snowden's article UFC 127 Results: Michael Bisping Does Not Deserve Your Scorn:
First, let me say that I have no problem with Michael Bisping intentionally spitting on anyone in Jorge Rivera's corner.
When you talk smack, and especially when you take it as far as Rivera's camp did, you lose the ability to complain when your intended target gets mad and retaliates. I'm not saying Bisping's actions were classy or appropriate, but I don't blame him for taking the chance to get his digs in at Rivera's team.
Rivera and his camp did not show any class leading up to the fight so they certainly weren't entitled to be respected by Bisping after the fight. If Bisping wanted to make nice and be the bigger man, fine. But it was not required.
Now, on to the knee, and why Michael Bisping does indeed deserve my scorn.
When I was watching the fight, I though the illegal knee was intentional. I though Bisping took his time in setting it up, which indicates that he wasn't just caught up in the adrenaline-fueled action of a grudge match.
But regardless of whether the knee was intentional or not, remember what Bisping did while the medical team was assessing Jorge.
He was clapping his hands together and waving them in the air, celebrating like he was named champion of the world - a detail the MMA media somehow missed in virtually all articles I've seen covering the affair.
If Bisping had at that moment just cleanly (as in with no illegal blows) won the fight, he could have done the whole Tito Ortiz gravedigger routine for all I cared. But no, he was celebrating knocking his opponent down with a blatantly illegal blow.
If that's not worthy of scorn, somebody please tell me what is.
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Thanks, that is fucked
He needs to go watch tape of Wanderlei NOT soccer kicking his head the fuck off.
by hardlyworking on Feb 28, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
yep
that one. the one where you also see where he almost blasts him again.
by Victor Rodriguez on Feb 28, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I still can’t believe the people who can look at that and still believe that Bisping didn’t realize that Jorge hadn’t gotten up yet. Timed it wrong my ass.
Yeah, a guy at work was going with that argument as well. It was ‘accidental’ and ‘timed wrong’. I told him to watch it again when he gets the chance and it was obvious that Bisping was setting up for a second knee and pulling back even further for it.
What really gets my goat is that he claims to be the better sportsman before and after all of this…
by Empty Thoughts on Mar 1, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bisping is a strait tool and deserves all the scorn he recieves .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Feb 28, 2011 1:29 PM EST reply actions
If that’s not worthy of scorn, somebody please tell me what is.
Spitting on people
Oh wait…..
by macrazy on Feb 28, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If that’s not worthy of scorn, somebody please tell me what is.
by who me on Feb 28, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Inside leg kicks gone awry are way more understandable than the Bisping knee.
As for Joe Son, Karma’s a bitch.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
by Snatchl on Feb 28, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hackney didn't hit Son hard enough
Plus, back in UFC 4, that shit was totally legal. But, in retrospect, Hackney could have saved the world some trouble if he had been able to hit Son harder.
by Christopher Bradley on Feb 28, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who said all of those shots were kicks "gone awry"?
The last knee to the balls wasn’t an accident, He was complaining about different knees to his balls, but they weren’t to his balls, they were to the inside of his legs and that upset me. But of course, I apologized for that, but when you fight, you have to fight like a man."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C6Z9lj5BRc&feature=player_embedded
Yeah Kongo is a dirtbag
'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Feb 28, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure he’s not the only one that’s “acceidentally” intentionally tagged someone in the balls during a fight.
But he one of the biggest foulers in MMA.
'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Feb 28, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Gilbert never cheated in the UFC.
'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Mar 1, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Really
The guy knocked out a ref! And then kicked him! That guy wasn’t even planning on being in a fight that night and Yvel straight knocked him out AND THEN KICKED HIM! THE REF!
That is a bajillon times worse then anything Kongo has done and he DFW knew he did before he hired him.
You apparently missed the part where he said in the UFC. As horrible as he was pre-2005 he didn’t fight in the UFC till 2010 (he went 0-3 and was cut after UFC 121). Heck I don’t even think Yvel fought in the US until 2009 (no one would license him until several years had passed since his last “incident”).
He was clapping his hands and trying to get the crowd going during a pause in the fight
Bisping’s punishment was a loss of a point. Rivera and the doctor said they could continue. And Rivera came out with guns blazing when they did resume, showing no apparent ill effect of the knee.
Not to mention of all the fouls possible, a knee to the head like that is the least problematic since it’s a ruling people have been calling to be overturned for several years. It wasn’t en eye gouge, fish hook, or groin strike. It wasn’t even a back of the head damage the brain stem foul.
Whether we believe Bisping or not in his reasoning for throwing the knee (waiting for Rivera to stand and pulled the trigger early) doesn’t matter. He was punished in fight in accordance of the unified rules.
Case closed.
Wyatt Earp: The law is coming! You tell them I’m coming . . . and Hell’s coming with me! You hear?! Hell’s coming with me!
Wyatt Earp-Tombstone, 1993
Yes give Bisping all the scorn you can muster internet, let him feel your dark anonomous hatred, he spit on a guy after a cage fight, he’s got it coming.
cause mma fighters are known for saying they can't continue from an illegal strike...
the deliberate knee clearly changed the entire fight and then you got Bisping celebrating how he blatantly broke the rules…Bisping could have taken a piss on Rivera’s corner for all I care, but he took his time and then fired that knee off Rivera’s face when he was probably going to win the fight anyways..dude’s got 15 minutes to beat a guy that he said shouldn’t have been in there with him in the first place (agreed) but he couldn’t do it fairly. No interest in seeing this BS (pre-fight/fight) again.
by ao1sauce on Feb 28, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Doctors can still be wrong and make poor decisions
Rivera clearly looked less – able after that knee.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
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by Drunken cutman on Feb 28, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rivera came out guns blazing with his best combo of the fight
After the fight was allowed to continue. It’s not like he fish danced his way over to Bisping to throw a 1-2.
That doctor was sketchy
The dude let Chris Tuchsherer continue to fight when his fucking eyelid was hanging down into his eye. I really don’t trust his opinion after that.
this
Ultimately Jorge chose to continue, and as a fighter in the co-main event, I applaud him. In retrospect I wish he came right out and kicked Bisping right in the balls. He’d only risk a point deduction right? Perhaps while Bisping was down, he could place kick his face…it’s only a point deduction, right? Bisping should’ve been DQ’d.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
If Jorge had said he couldn’t continue then the doctor would of called the fight and Jorge would of either got a no contest or the DQ win(the doctor can only go on what he observes at ringside, if a fighter says the right things then the fight is over). He gutted it out so good for him but if he had fouled Bisping then he would of risked being DQ’d himself.
Bisping has a point taken away (they don’t take away a point for every foul it was a ref’s decision to do so), punishment was delivered and regardless of what any of us think that is that as far as the knee goes. Scorn Bisping all you like but the end story on the knee is already written.
I admit I found Rivera's complaints against Bisping to be comical
Or at least half of them. I actually enjoyed, in a dirty way, Rivera’s epic trash talking. But much of his complaint against Bisping was definitely for stuff they encouraged. Rivera’s camp tried, and succeeded, in making it personal so, shocker, Bisping reacted personally.
I figure the knee was wholly intentional, myself. Rivera should have not gotten up, taken the DQ. I was totally not surprised when he didn’t do that. Fighters almost never do that. Yuki Nakai got BLINDED in the first round of tournament, went on to win that fight and his next fight, then put up a spirited effort against Rickson Gracie . . . and for years hid the fact he had been BLINDED in one eye. So, yeah, no shocker that Rivera didn’t stay down. But, having gotten up, he accepted what followed. So, saying that Bisping should be additionally sanctioned doesn’t make too much sense. Rivera knew the rules of the fight.
So, I can’t help figure that Rivera’s complaint isn’t anything other than sour grapes. In the first part it’s absolutely ridiculous, in the second part it’s asking for special care beyond the rules be taken for his benefit.
by Christopher Bradley on Feb 28, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions
Rivera was classless?
He hyped a fight. He made silly videos. They were funny and the fact that Bisping lost all control over that is pretty weak. The knee was intentional, the celebration and flipping off the corner during Rivera’s recovery was classless, and spitting on cornermen there to do a job because you’re butt hurt over a viral video you didn’t think was funny is pathetic. Athlete’s in the “big” sports would be raked over the coals for that, and Bisping deserves the same.
by Tag01 on Feb 28, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Michael Bisping.
Fuck that guy.
Why?
Because.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Time to put some meat in your pain sandwich.
by Ubernoober on Feb 28, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Oddly enough, my fanpost of near equal, yet profane brevity, go me a warning for fighter bashing.
more like fighter disappointment to the Nth degree.
Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
George Carlin
Two things.
1. Rivera should not have agreed to continue. Ideally, he would have fallen when he tried to stand. If you want to stick it to your opponent, have his fight end in a wholly unsatisfying way and make it his fault.
2. I dislike Michael Bisping, and I want to see him fight Rousimar Palhares.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Paul Harris or Vitor would fit the bill.
Vitor for a violent KO and Paul Harris for some ligament tearing.
Bisping was clapping and raising his hands in those exact same motions before the fight even started. He was geeing up the crowd. After the knee the crowd went “oooh” and then pretty silent. He was trying to get the crowd back into it.
My interpretation was that the crowd was very pro-Bisping, so when the illegal knee occured, the crowd started booing Rivera like he faked it or was embellishing. I thought Bisping was trying to show that the crowd was booing Rivera and not him.
I was pretty surprised that they reacted so positively to Bisping after the knee.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Feb 28, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
It was a really weird crowd. Everyone around me was booing Bisping and yelling that he was a wanker, but then he would raise his hands and they would cheer. I think the crowd just favoured him, even if they hated him, because he actually invoked an emotion as opposed to plain-Jane Rivera. There was a real love-hate kind of thing going on.
Shut the hell up you american cry babies !
Get over it. Every bisping thread is already full of loads of you guys saying ‘i hate him, i hate him, i hate him, i want hendo gifs here, i hate him’. Your pathetic and frankly very boring.
Jorge and his team insulted Bisping’s country and family. If Bisping had done the same, he would have been called rascist and a bigot, but Jorge was given a pass.
The knee looked intentional to me, but was handled under the rules. The rules may need to be improved, but then we argue about the rules after every UFC event.
Bisping could have been the bigger man, but he wasn’t, and we should not fault him for it. Jorge and company gave up any claim to fair treatment with their pre-fight behaviour.
I don’t understand where the Bisping hate comes from, especially after his family was brought into it, and I certainly don’t want to see him punished, unless it is with the traditional “banned from competition for two months” (ie nothing).
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
"This is the internet: you either have soul-stopping power or you’re a pillow-fisted pansy. There is no middle ground." - woomikee
I don't give two shits about either's schtick, the knee Bisping through was a flagrant foul and I believe intentional.
Before I just didn’t like him but respected him as a fighter, now not so much.
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Mar 1, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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