UFC 127 Results: FightMetric Reports and Records
by Mike Fagan on Feb 27, 2011 11:29 PM EST
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FightMetric news and notes from UFC 127:
- FightMetric scored the main event 29-27 for Jon Fitch. In the second round, FightMetric credited B.J. Penn and Fitch each with one takedown and Fitch with a sweep. The striking totals favor Fitch (59-18 Total Strikes, 14-5 Significant Strikes). FightMetric also scored round three 10-8 for Fitch, who outlanded Penn 149 to 2 in the round.
- Those 149 strikes place Fitch second all-time in strikes landed in a single round in the UFC, behind Matt Riddle's 168 against Steve Bruno. Fitch tied Riddle for the UFC record for strikes thrown in a single round with 181.
- With 231 strikes landed in the fight, Fitch leaped into the number one spot over Georges St. Pierre in total career strikes landed.
- Fitch's two takedowns moved him into a tie for third with Gleison Tibau for total career takedowns landed with 52.
- FightMetric scored the Fukuda/Ring fight 30-27 for Riki Fukuda. Pretty interesting raw stats: Ring outlanded Fukuda in both of the first two rounds, but FightMetric scored both rounds for Fukuda, who was only credited with one pass to half-guard, anyway.
- Michael Bisping's 50 Significant Strikes landed moved him up one spot to number seven.
- With five UFC bouts now under his belt, Ross Pearson entered the Significant Strikes Defended list at number two.
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FightMetric
is manna from heaven for fight nerds.
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by Nate Wilcox on Feb 27, 2011 11:18 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
lol
its just one more thing we can all pointlessly debate for no good reason at all.
God Bless them. lol
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 27, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
who did you give the nod to? or draw?
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 27, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I love it so much.
GSP hit Fitch with 69 strikes and ate 11 in return of round one, his most dominant round, in their fight. Fitch hit Penn with 149 shots and ate 2 in return in the third. And some people still don’t think it was a 10-8 for Fitch.
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by pdl on Feb 27, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Its the Nature of the Hits.
if we all agreed we would have nothing to talk about on here.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 27, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck that noise. That was an utter domination; Fitch literally mauled him in that third round. I know its the cool thing these days to hate on Fitch but don’t let you hate blind me. That was a TEXTBOOK 10-8 round.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
The thoughts I had as I switched off the television were about judging, judges and what parts of the fight get scored…
The 10-9 must, an import from the wonderful world of boxing, was designed for a contest in which the only real means of interaction is punching. Also illegal headbutts and low blows, if EA Fight Night is any indication. I played the demo for Fight Night Champion and that is one fast game. There should be an option to turn it into a turn-based game or something. That’s silly. No, well, yes.
So judges, right? They have to judge and weigh factors against each other, things like position and damage and gauge just how close a rear-naked choke was to completion and all that. It’s just so darn complex.
Which is why I propose a new judging criteria. If a fight goes the distance, both fighters must grapple Mike Goldberg and the fastest to make him tap wins.
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"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 27, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't think the third round was a 10-8 round.
Sure, Fitch dominated, but at no point was he ever close to finishing the fight. At no point did he even try to finish the fight. No submission attempts, not a single dominant position. He just hung out in BJ’s guard, Fitching him.
That’s not a 10-8 round to me.
Had he passed guard and rained down punishment from mount for example, that would be a 10-8 round.
If you’re never close to finishing the fight, you don’t deserve a 10-8 in my opinion.
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by Peter Nathaniel Fury on Feb 27, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions
1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants appear to be
fighting evenly and neither contestant shows dominance in a round;
2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a close margin,
landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;
3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly
dominates by striking or grappling in a round;
4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally dominates by
striking or grappling in a round.
If BJ Penn mounted even the tiniest bit of defense, he’d have a case for a 10-9 round. Jon Fitch dominated the grappling and striking of round 3, and that’s all there is to it.
by Pyrgz Krum on Feb 27, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
one to the criteria for an "effective strike" is "hard"
so there is that…
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 27, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Over 20 siginifigant strikes according to fightmetric
So there is that
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by sitnam90 on Feb 28, 2011 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting. Under those rules, maybe it should have been a 10-7 round.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Since when is passing the guard a prerequisite for doing significant, fight ending damage?
by Jorge Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
With 231 strikes landed in the fight, Fitch leaped into the number one spot over Georges St. Pierre in total career strikes landed.
That says very much about the striking power of Fitch.
So let me get this straight: the WWE has gone from the powerful "Austin 3:16" to the dominant and iconic "Can you smell what the Rock is cooking?" all the way to... (cue baby voice) "You can't see me." Oh, believe me, we all can see you. A blind-folded, sleeping, stuck in the basement, Stevie Wonder can see your monkey ass. - The Rock
Fitch has never stopped a single UFC fight with a punch/punches
he has one tko stoppage from up kick
in 2006 . Jon has had 15 fights since 2005 in the UFC. Not a single GnP stoppage.
I cant recall him ever knocking anyone down on the feet either. Maybe someone can help me? But i think its safe to say Jon Fitch has never thrown a punch in the UFC with the intent to stop a fight.
if you are 6’ 185 lbs and you arent stopping people at some point its cause you arent trying imho.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 27, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
He’s competing effectively within the framework of the Unified Rules, and that’s all there is to it. He stops his opponent from mounting any offense, and then racks up points with strikes. Throwing a punch with intent to finish is not part of the judging criteria. He’s playing the game and winning for the most part.
"He’s playing the game and winning" I like fighters not game players. Different strokes for different folks I guess. I dont watch football, or baseball etc.
Just fighting: Bjj , Kickboxing, boxing, judo. I dont wanna see someone try to exploit a loophole in the rules.
The only reason the rules were ever implimented was to get back on tv. The rules are worded the way they are worded to to help with legalization. Big John has talked about it before, about how when they were writing the UR’s they took out words like damage and such. He and many others have said they think they need to go back over the wording and judging.
If you cater to the Judges and not the Fans and your boss you better win. Cause if you dont you win DW may give you the finger and a wave good bye and you wont have any fans that give a shit.
I honestly LOVED the Fitch vs. Alves fight. I really thought Fitch turned a corner in that fight.
I was really disappointed by the way he fought Bj. I HATE punching from guard ( except Jon Jones he gets a pass lol). Its amature and is only for scoring points.I think Fitch is better than that or could be. there is no intent to finish. Its a silly game. The only reason they dont get their teeth kicked in and/or kidneys smashed is because they took away kicks from the guard player. imho
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 28, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Or it could be he’s fighting incredibly tough opponents. At the time of fighting Fitch:
Larson – undefeated
Burkman – tapped by Fitch
Alves – KOed by Fitch
Fioravanti – tapped by Fitch
Jucao – tapped by Fitch
Diego – 1 loss, never finished
Wilson – never KOed
Gono – KOed twice in the span of 15 years, by middleweights
Thiago – undefeated
Pierce – never finished
Saunders – stopped once in 6 years
Alves – only one KO loss, to Fitch
Penn – only stopped by Hughes and his cornerman in 10 years of fighting
by Jorge Martin on Feb 28, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
All I’m going to say is if someone laid on top of me for 15 minutes, I’d at least ask them to buy me a steak dinner first.
Shit, he should have started last year. It ain’t going to compare to my mustache. I shave mine every morning. About a half hour later it’s already fully developed
by Don Fryeman on Feb 27, 2011 11:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think I just realized the value of FightMetric
Aside from them being really fun.
They justify their scoring. One can disagree with their criteria, but you know how and why they’re scoring. It generally sounds pretty reasonable, and they’ve adjusted their algorithm in a couple of cases where it seemed broken.
With ringside judges, who the fuck knows why you got the score you got? And the few times someone decides to openly explain their criteria, it’s Cecil Peoples.
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As I live and learn,
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In Return.
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they gave fitch points for the sweep but didnt give bj points for the back mount
that complete bullshit
by Mohammedini Hussein on Feb 28, 2011 9:05 AM EST reply actions
It’s curious that people defend the Fukuda-Ring decision based in that he outstruck him in round 1 and 2. Almost all Fukuda strikes were power shots to the head or to the body. Ring threw a lot of leg kicks, but almost all of them were blocked!!
Fukuda completely outgrapple him in the three rounds, and cause way more damage. He only absorbed 4 significant strikes to the head on the whole fight. It was a completely robbery.
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Feb 28, 2011 1:48 PM EST reply actions
I might sound foolish for this but,
Why can’t judges be removed and just let FightMetric pick the winners?
I know, athletic commissions, and getting things sanctioned, beyond that. Would we “want” FM making the decision, cause, I’ll be honest, there hasn’t been a FM decision that I have found wrong or at least forced me to really reconsider what I originally thought.
Can FM do it’s calculations fast enough for a live event? If say, we had 3 FM servers at a bout, one for each round (or 5 for belt fights), would they have enough time over the course of the fight to figure out a winner? How much manual calculations, decisions are made for FM to do its magic? CompuStrike is real time (though, far less complex calculations) and I have seen that thing quoted as Truth during boxing/MMA fights.
Just throwing it out there, not that the judges did “that” bad, (I can see the Penn, Fitch draw, but the Fukuda decision was a clear robbery) but anything to make it more legitimate would only help MMA grow more.
Go Orange(men)!
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