Dana White Says He Thought BJ Penn Beat Jon Fitch at UFC 127
by fightnig.ht on Feb 27, 2011 5:26 PM EST
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And call me crazy, or swear up and down that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, but I am in 100% agreement with the boss man. I scored the first two round 10-9 BJ, and the last round 10-9 Fitch. The last round was not what I would consider a 10-8 round. Sure, Fitch was successful in controlling BJ in the 3rd round but he hardly inflicted any substantive damage and BJ was never in any real danger from Fitch. Fitch merely laid on BJ for 5 minutes and pretended to punch him. That, in my opinion does not warrant a 10-8 score. A 10-8 score should be given when a fighter is close to finishing his opponent and would have if the clock hadn't run out. This was not the case in this fight and we all know it.
So really, the only round that is up for debate is Round 2. Everyone is going to have a different opinion on this one. I'm watching the fight again right now to see if my opinion changes. Perhaps it will once I watch the fight without any beers any me. Nevertheless, my point stands. The 3rd round was not 10-8, and if you think that it was, please make your opinion known in the comments.
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Penn's face was all busted up during the post fight interview
Fitch tied the record for most strikes landed in a round (137). Penn literally landed 0 strikes the entire third round.
If 137 strikes to 0 strikes isn’t a 10-8, then I don’t know what is. Penn looked lost the last round.
by luckydevil713 on Feb 27, 2011 5:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Wow
137 to 0 sounds bad, but was Penn ever in danger? No, and with that logic, Chael had four 10-8 rounds on Anderson. Penn got “Fitched” in the 3rd, which means, no where near finished. Bigfoot on Fedor, now that was a 10-8 second round.
Strikeforce in Dallas!!!!
You are making it out like what BJ went through was no big deal. Have you ever been on the receiving end of a beating similar to a Fitching? It might not look as bad as a KO but it fuckin sucks. You could see by BJ’s reaction after the fight he was broken and knew he had been beaten up.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
But imagine Munoz, Velasquez, or any other real fighter landing 137 unanswered strikes and not even come close to finishing. Pretty crazy huh? Not for Fitch it aint, this is what he does.
I had BJ winning, but even he knew he didn’t win
Strikeforce in Dallas!!!!
I scored it 29-28 Fitch at the time, the only thing I was wrong about was not scoring the the last round a 10-8.
BJ’s only significant offense in the second was the take down and sub attempt, that was like 45 seconds of the fight. The rest of the second was controlled by Fitch.
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Feb 28, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, those shots were getting to him
I remember seeing him kind of fade at one point, I thought Fitch might actually get the TKO. 10-8, easily.
Fedor did more in the 2nd than
B.J. did in the 3rd. I was drunk while watching both and haven’t rewatched, so I could be wrong but that’s how I remember it.
I had it even too.
I gave the first 2 to BJ (IMO TD are worth more than sweeps) and I gave Fitch a 10-8, though I didn’t think they would.
I’m BJ’s biggest fan, but that was indeed a 10-8, Fitch quite literally fucked him up all 3rd. BJ didn’t land one strike, make a single attempt at escape or position or sub.
Fitch should have known he needed a finish against the fan-favorite, it’s his own damn fault and I was jumping around my lving room laughing like a mental patient when they read that call. Sweet, sweet justice.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
Dana thought Rampage beat Lyoto as well…so I’m guessing Rampage and BJ are bigger draws? Yep, that’s it.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 27, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions
Except that Dana is right about Rampage, though Penn vs. Fitch is a pretty close call. I could see it being 29-28 in either direction and I won’t even dispute people (or judges) who said it’s a draw. The second round was razor thin, and while I don’t think the third was a 10-8 (I also score 10-8 in terms of almost finishing) I wouldn’t begrudge someone who did.
Of course Dana Did.
He rides penns nuts so hard. He would like nothing more then for Fitch to lose. He knows in a rematch Fitch will probably win. Dana disgusts me with how much he favors fighters. Shogun and BJ both got immediate title rematch’s after close loses.
Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality. Bruce Lee.
Are you seriously complaining about Shogun’s rematch?
'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Feb 27, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not really.
I am a huge fan of the whole immediate rematch thing at all. It ties up the division. Not in Shoguns case as much as i like Lyoto he didnt win that fight. However it just seems to me that when ever their is a draw it doesnt matter what promotion the boss will always say that the more profitable guy wins. That just kind of rubs me the wrong way, thats all.
Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality. Bruce Lee.
More profitable?
After the first Shogun/Machida fight, Machida was WAY more popular. People were mad that Shogun even had the title shot, because he had lost to Forrest, looked terrible against Coleman and by that point, knocking out Liddell was expected. Machida on the other hand was coming off two BRUTAL knock outs, and had given one of the most bad-ass post fight speeches ever. Lyoto was the money maker, not Shogun.
I don’t think either are among the biggest draws for casual fans, but you are dead wrong that Machida is more popular than Shogun. Not even close.
by Anton Chigurh on Feb 28, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely not
Shogun was more popular among the hardcores because of Pride; Lyoto was FAR more popular among the casual crowd after back to back brutal KOs in the UFC.
“Shogun and BJ both got immediate title rematch’s after close loses”
and? You mean Shogun and Penn got rematches in close fights that many fans had Shogun and Penn winning what a shocker.I guess Dana White is riding Nam Phan’s nuts as well huh?
Riki Fukuda, Tyson Griffin, Jason Brilz and Gray Maynard as well.
And where Fukuda, Griffin, and Brilz didnt get rematches Dana White still said he thought they won their fights so he’s obviously biased for those guys.
That, in my opinion does not warrant a 10-8 score. A 10-8 score should be given when a fighter is close to finishing his opponent and would have if the clock hadn’t run out. This was not the case in this fight and we all know it.
Somebody hasn’t read the unified rules…
'cause the heart that betrays itself willingly, Is like a nation that trades freedom for stability, its so seductive to be cold and corrupted and isolated and try to be an independent republic, But liberty to be loved on the surface is worthless, The sacrifice of revolution with no purpose
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Feb 27, 2011 6:36 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
I agree. I didnt think Fitch won either. You can’t just count the strikes without seeing the context. The Fitch strikes were laughable. If I were the ref, they would have been stood up .
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
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Fitch "pretended to punch him"?
BJ’s face was more messed up and he looked more dispirited after that one round than it was after Edgar beating him for five.
It just shows you how much the 10-point scoring system has twisted fan’s perception of the victor. How can a fighter inflict five times the damage of a typical 10-9 round, take no damage in return, and people even entertaining the thought about it not being a 10-8?
by Mint on Feb 27, 2011 7:17 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
edgar is a points fighter as well.
a smaller one.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 27, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't take away my point
If you can do a 50-45 decision’s worth of dominance/damage in a single round with your opponent literally doing zero offense, then you deserve a 10-8. Hell, if I had to rewrite the scoring system with the 10-point baggage of boxing, I’d give that third round a 10-6, saving 10-2 or 10-0 for the really brutal near-finish beatings.
When have you EVER seen Penn's face busted up like that?
I don’t even think it looked that bad after GSP II
by Shaun32887 on Feb 28, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While I agree that comment was not really in line with what happened, I don’t score 10-8s unless someone was close to finishing the fight AND dominated the majority of the round. Fitch only fit one of those categories.
Well that's the wrong way to score fights
It’s the reason we have irritating decisions like Vera-Couture, Machida-Rampage, or Shogun-Machida I. A marginally won round is worth as much as a clearly won round or even, as per your definition, a complete beatdown of a guy that’s just hard to finish.
The only other major sport like that is tennis, where a 6-0 set is worth as much as a 7-6 set. How pissed would fans be in hockey if a team was losing 1-0 after the first, 2-0 after the second, and leading 4-2 at the end was declared the loser because it lost 2 periods to 1?
So you are judging people on how many marks are on their face? You can close someone’s eye with a single well placed punch. What does that tell you? Nothing. Fitch has NO intent to finish a fight. That is the point. It isn’t so much that he isnt finishing his opponents, but he isnt even trying to.
Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!
by crizzy on Feb 28, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't have to.
He finishes the fight by beating on guys for 15 minutes and there is nothing wrong with that according to the rules.
by Roa on Mar 1, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Weak
BJ got right up when the round ended. IF he was so hurt and was inflicted with so much damage, he would have needed a trainer or doc to assist but ithat wasn’t the case. Fitch hit him in his arms for the third round. No damage at all. The ref should have stood them up. BJ won that fight 29-28. Guaranteed he’ll lay waste to fitch in the re-match.
Not Pride rules. Fitch's strikes were effective, might not have been deadly but they were effective because they kept BJ from doing a thing to him all round.
The 10-8 has as much to do with BJ doing absolutely nothing the whole round as it does with Fitch beating him down.
Huh, that's interesting. Know who thinks Penn lost?
When asked if he thought he did enough to win, Penn answered simply, "No." When asked if he thought he lost, Penn replied, "Yeah."
Penn acknowledged afterward that he thought he had lost.
I'm happy with the draw . . .
And Dana sometimes prefers some fighters to others. I don’t think it’s a secret that Dana White prefers the style of BJ Penn over Jon Fitch, which in a close fight (which it was) might be enough to sway his opinion towards Penn.
by Christopher Bradley on Feb 28, 2011 3:52 AM EST reply actions
I don't mind the draw
But according to the current rules, I would say it was a Penn win, imo. 10-8 rounds, to me, mean one fighter gets rocked more than once. Fitch did not load up on punches/elbows, nor did he attempt to improve his position, or attempt a submission.
PRIDE judging would have given the fight to Fitch, in my mind, and I think that is what BJ was thinking. Overall, Fitch did more damage to BJ than vice versa, so without a scoring system, Fitch won that fight.
Meh...
I could understand not giving Fitch a 10-8 had Penn scored some punches, but what abour zero? If you get pummeled, repeatedly, how is it that you lose a 10-9 round?
Silly Dana is silly.
Fitch haters...
…Hello, when you are on the streets and you start fighting a guy and you do well against him but he keeps fighting til eventually he holds you down and punches you about 150 times and then his friends pull him off of you because you are just lying there, do you win or lose?
And if that isn’t enough to make you give Fitch the credit he deserves, they are professional fighters. Penn was taking serious damage and if the fight had been a championship fight he would have been stopped in one of the next two rounds, for sure.
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