Bas Rutten: Brock Lesnar Should Train at Golden Glory
by Nick Thomas on Feb 2, 2011 6:14 PM EST
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- 0:19 Anderson Silva vs. Vitor Belfort
- 1:01 Jon Jones vs. Ryan Bader
- 1:52 Forrest Griffin vs. Rich Franklin
- 2:28 Ring rust and never having it
- 4:04 Norifumi Yamamoto vs. Demetrious Johnson
- 5:05 Brock Lesnar shying away from punches
- 5:30 Not seeing how Brock Lesnar ever got hit in practice having seen his fights, "It's a shame"
- 6:19 Brock should go to Holland to train with Golden Glory
- 7:07 Losing respect from other fighters when you tap to strikes
- 8:35 Assuming Pat Barry never hit Brock Lesnar in training
- 9:23 A drill Brock Lesnar should start doing .
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He is, but ....
… I don’t think Lesnar would like having to do hours of hard sparring each week with élite kickboxers who make him look and feel completely foolish.
I also don’t seem him enjoying spending time thousands of miles from home in a country VASTLY more liberal than the US.
I think everyone knows that the rankings bandied around for Brock are a farce and that it will be a huge uphill struggle for him to ever be considered a legitimate top 5 contender, regardless of what he does and where he trains. His cardio and striking are SO BAD.
by papardelle fettucine on Feb 2, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with everything you said but
I don’t ever remember Brock gassing. Even after the beating Carwin gave him in the first round you couldn’t tell that at the start of round 2. He hasn’t been in any 5 round wars but I wouldn’t bet against him in that regard.
by Conesie on Feb 2, 2011 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was totally gassed 3 minutes into the Velasquez fight ...
….
by papardelle fettucine on Feb 2, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Dont recall him gassing either.
by Bloodsport on Feb 2, 2011 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He got hit in the head a bunch but yeah I don't remember him gassing
I have heard Bas compliment his gas tank several times on Inside MMA
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~ Bobby Hill
nope.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 2, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I also deject this crazy idea that he gassed in the Cain fight
He just started panicking once he got hit.
by Horselover Fat on Feb 3, 2011 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
Brock didn't gas
Sure, he relented from the frenetic pace he set in the opening 30 seconds, but nobody can maintain that. Near the end of the fight, you could see Brock do a rather athletic 180 on his back, so he didn’t look gassed to me.
If anything, Brock looked more lost than gassed. His bullrush didn’t work, his takedowns didn’t work, so it was like he had a “WTF do I do now?” look on his face.
Just out of curiosity, WTF would Holland being liberal have to do with anything? He wouldn’t be going there to get into politics.
Brock's ....
… an isolationist, highly conservative, homophobic backwoodsman.
by papardelle fettucine on Feb 2, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Since when is he homophobic?
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Sorry, I don'
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Sorry, I don't spend my time looking up Gay or homophobic shit
It just doesn’t interest me since I am neither gay no homophobic… I respect your choice whichever one you are though.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Feb 2, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
^^ In three little sentences you’ve crafted one of the dumbest posts I’ve ever seen on BE. And dumb on so many levels. This is a true accomplishment.
I was one of the authors of the Port Huron Statement.
by Grappo on Feb 3, 2011 4:24 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
I mostly agree, but anyone think he's a little optimistic about Brock?
Does he really think that Brock can ameliorate his weakness in three minutes after he’s been unable to improve in three years?
Didn’t the Carwin fight sound off some alarms? Surely he didn’t just think, “nobody else can hit me, so no need to train striking defense”. I would honestly rank Brock’s striking defense and defense off his back to be worse than at least 100 UFC fighters. I think it’s more likely that he’s hit a roadblock, because no athlete can possibly be so ignorant of the fundamentals in their sport of choice after three years. Maybe Brock is poor at learning new reflexes, and throughout his life he simply used his aggressiveness and size in a way that made it unimportant for him to react correctly to his opponents’ actions.
says he knows no one is allowed to hit Brock Lesnar in practice
Didn’t quite get that out of what he said. It was more like he just didn’t see how Brock ever got hit in practice having seen the fights.
He’s right that coaching TUF is the wrong move for Brock.
Wrong move for Brock
Right move for the UFC.
Either Brock will disprove the critics, coach fantastically this season, beat Junior Dos Santos and then regain his belt from Cain.
OR
Brock will get punched around for two rounds before he’s had enough, quit mixed martial arts, do a one time gig for the WWE and spend the rest of his life getting on top of his wife and hunting deer.
UFC wins either way.
Maybe Brock wants one big payday before retiring, doing TUF would probably be the best way to hype the next fight. He gets a cut of the ppv, right?
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
Kind of a haters take on it but what do I know? I’m a fan.
Still, Dana might have put too much money on the table to walk away from. Anyone else think this has the potential of being the biggest TUF season yet?
I’m not a hater, just responding to the commenter saying it’s a wrong move for Brock. Maybe he will quit and doing TUF would be the best way to get the most out of his last fight, personally, I hope he sticks with it. Whatever he is, he garners a lot of attention and I like that.
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
There is a 3rd option
He beats Dos Santos by being bigger and controlling the fight, goes on to lose to Cain and then retires because he can’t beat Velazquez.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
He can beat JDS possibly but I can't see him beating a younger, better wreslter with striking
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
I've responded and way more off base than that before it happens
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Bas was talking about the rumors coming out of the camp leading up to the Cain fight, The rumors were that no one was alloweed to hit Brock in the face when sparring, Bas asked Pat Barry on the show and Pat just smiled look all akward and said me could not comment if it was the truth or not, but that told it all.
What a bad ass show
I saw that for the first time last night and loved it. Watched the pilot today. Bas being there was hilarious, although when he let Lights tee off on him and act like it was nothing in the beginning of their fight, I was like come on, have him dodge it but don’t act like he could just eat it! The throat punch was great though!
says he knows no one is allowed to hit Brock Lesnar in practice.
I’d be astonished if that were true. 1) They have to know that’s his weakness at the moment. Why not work on it? 2) Why bother bringing in Barry to train with then?
That doesn’t make any sense.
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I think it's partially true
Pat Barry was there as a kick boxer and not like a boxer. I think he brought him for kicking :) Seriously though. Brock needs to train with Overeem or something if he is serious about being in this business. He could be extremely well trained for JDS and still get KOd. But he should at least not run away. The fact that he has not watched his fight or so he says is disturbing. I mean you need to know what you did wrong and correct it. If Brock wins against JDS, he’ll look like a world beater again. If he loses, I guess WWF is next for him. Can’t see him hanging around not having a shot at the title
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 2, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Brock beats JDS, just because of how divisive he’d be after that. Like no one would be able to figure him out.
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
I think it just mite be true ? hear are my comments from above and why Bas brought up Pat Barry – Bas was talking about the rumors coming out of the camp leading up to the Cain fight, The rumors were that no one was alloweed to hit Brock in the face when sparring, Bas asked Pat Barry on the show and Pat just smiled look all akward and said me could not comment if it was the truth or not, but that told it all.
Yeah I pretty much lost all respect for GSP when he tapped and so did every fighter in the locker room
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
He's like the low level Sumo who has to clean the community bathroom
BTW could anything be worse than cleaning a COMMUNITY SUMO bathroom
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
At night, they beat him up with soap bars, wrapped in towels.
“This is only a dream, frenchie!”, they’d say, then leave him crying alone.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
To be fair to Bas
He’s mostly talking about how the tapping fighters feel he’s looked upon rather than the way he looks at them. I think he’s right from that POV.
It was rather clear that GSP didn’t feel too much shame and used the incident to motivate him, so I don’t think it was much of a problem. It probably helped that he tapped right when the fight was being stopped, i.e. the point where the ref thinks he’s got no chance and is in danger. That would help GSP convince himself that he didn’t quit and leave behind a small chance of winning.
Sad
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 2, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Bas is a god among men
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 6:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bas is a genius!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 2, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Bas or Don Frye?
If only all mma competitors were half as passionate as Bas is, it would be a perfect world.
"I gotta couple of lawsuits against me, yeah, two of em almost drowned when I hit em with the money shot."- Don Frye
by GirlsBeatMeUp on Feb 2, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Bas is great.
Awesome interview, I think he is dead on about brock, I just hope he practices getting punched in the head before JDS does it.
by Jrridermd on Feb 2, 2011 6:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope he doesn’t.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno if he isn’t allowed to be hit but im almost certain his camp is filled with Yes men. I mean its his gym on his property and tailor made to him. Nobody is going to say No Brock and that can hurt him big time in the long haul. Bas has always been iffy with Brock but the guy needs to get somewhere where is just another fighter and not the THE fighter. Id like to see him train with Randy and Xtreme Couture since he is already out in Vegas. Let them beat on him for a few months.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Randy would be the best one for Brock because he knows what it's like to be a wrestler first in the HW division
Not to mention Randy is a genius game planner as well
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
If you don't love Bas....
You must hate yourself
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Feb 2, 2011 7:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bas Rutten: Ever Fighter Should Train at Golden Glory
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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Dave Meltzer: Brock Turns Down Rutten’s Offer, Eyeing Wrestlemania Again?
Luke: What was our best moment?
Nate: When I banned Subo?
Luke: That was a good one.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 2, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm pretty sure he just said Brock.
You know, because of his sucky standup, and the fact that GG fighters are pretty good at that.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 2, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
According to Bas, Holland is the answer to every question when it comes to MMA.
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Ok then he might be just a tad biased. :P
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 2, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
What Bas Bias? No way! I would never expect someone to rep Holland when he was born their haha
That is also the only reason he has Overeem ranked as the number 1 HW in the world.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Bas ranks based on who he thinks is the best fighter, he doesn’t seem to give a shit about rankings.
Boys becoming men...Men becoming wolves
He said on Inside MMA The only reason he had Overeem ranked 1 is because they are both from Holland
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
"He's from Holland and no ones wants to fight him"
Just re-watched his rankings of the top 10
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Overeem wasnt born in Holland
He was born in England.
"You're as violent as they come. I know. because I'm as violent as they come. Don't embarrass yourself by denying your own blood lust, son. Don't embarrass me. If the constraints of society were removed, and I was all that stood between you and a meal, you'd crack my skull with a rock and eat my meaty parts. "
Well someone needs to tell Bas because he has repped that one more than once
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
This always happens. If someone is successful, every country is quick do adopt them. In germany, the Klitschkos are regarded as “our boxing champions” by many since they lived / trained here.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
yeah because if you wanna improve your striking why would you wanna train with the reigning k-1 champ who also happens to be a very experienced mma fighter. That clearly doesn’t make sense.
Semmy Schilt, Ubereem, Zimmerman, and Leko….. Why in the world would Brock ever wanna go train with those scrubs??
"I gotta couple of lawsuits against me, yeah, two of em almost drowned when I hit em with the money shot."- Don Frye
by GirlsBeatMeUp on Feb 2, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps because he doesn't want to kickbox?
and instead wants to train with mma fighters?
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 2, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that if you saw his last two fights he was lacking in the striking department. Wouldn’t it be beneficial for him to get the very basics that a gym like Golden Glory possesses?
"I gotta couple of lawsuits against me, yeah, two of em almost drowned when I hit em with the money shot."- Don Frye
by GirlsBeatMeUp on Feb 2, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure someone who doesn't like leaving his family
Isn’t going to travel to another country for a month and do work… Brock isn’t that type of guy because he isn’t Brock and this isn’t his last option as it is and was with so many guys. Worse things that happens to Brock if he loses is he goes home, counts his money and plays with Sable’s boobies.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Nice!
I guess you summed it up there. Brock is gonna keep his arse at DeathClutch, never progress, and thus never get his title back. Oh yeah and the Sable part.
"I gotta couple of lawsuits against me, yeah, two of em almost drowned when I hit em with the money shot."- Don Frye
by GirlsBeatMeUp on Feb 2, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Probably
but he also probably realizes he can’t beat Cain anyway and he might as well just bank one more time or two if he can’t get out of his final fight and go home.
He has a new kid and no real need to fight, what is wrong with that? Just because you and I would rather he dedicate himself 100% to the sport doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the right to do it this way.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
He can also afford to fly in the talent and has. Still, that leaves him with the case of being the fighter and not one of the fighters.
Guy just needs to use it properly.
I don't see the motivation for Overeem to go train someone he doesn't know and chose to "KO" with the "voice"
It’s not like he’s hurting for cash as much as he has fought lately and if he ever comes to the UFC it would be better for him if Brock doesn’t learn to strike and does quit.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
I wonder if Brock makes her wear the hand prints?
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
The King certainly would.
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
You gotta like the king! Puppies!
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
better
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
by splint on Feb 2, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
So that's where Brock got his moves
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Feb 2, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
that...
…is one of the funniest gifs out there. Especially with regards to the Cain-fight. Brock should’ve stole the show with that routine during Bruce Buffers introduction and that fight would have been completely different.
Anyone else get the feeling
Bas might be partying a little too hard?
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
High on life,
and mescaline.
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
by RolloTomasi on Feb 2, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Loves his training... Loves PCP
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Feb 2, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The next time someone interviews me
I want them to wear a logo of me on it. Or maybe I’ll make them grow a beard. Something that gives credibility to the interviewer.
Follow me on Twitter: @MMANation.
A tattoo of your own silhouette
that says ‘Credibility’ beneath it.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
So...
You’re giving away Matt Brown tees to your interviewees?
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Matt Brown gives away Luke Thomas tees
"2 queens on casino night..... I'm gonna drop a deuce on everybody" - Michael Scott
by Earl Montclair on Feb 2, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
While interviewing Overeem
You might be wearing more than his logo
Bas is the man
Seeing him sing “El Guapo” in an episode of The Reem was priceless.
Smart guy, thoughtful opinions.
by Hollywood19 on Feb 2, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bas is the man
that is exactly how i felt about brock. i never thought that he wasn’t sparring just that he wasn’t sparring hard. he wasn’t doing any shooto style sparring like wandy and those guys do.
Bas is freakin crazy
Gotta love his breakdowns on things, great coaching skills.
Think for a second.
Brock with lets say half of the Ubereems striking capabilities would be DANGEROUS.
I’d paid good money to see Brock try his hand at kickboxing with Ubereem.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
I have paid money expecting Brock to strike.
by Rufford on Feb 2, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But is it me or did he take some good shots from Mur and kept going?
He didn’t run or anything.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 2, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why would you do that? That's like paying money and expecting Thales Leites to beat Silva.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Unless you just took Acid then AMAZING PIC!
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Righty O man, righty O!
Learn JiuJitsu, it's fun.
by RolloTomasi on Feb 2, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
One of the greatest movies of all time…Never was a Depp fan saw Fear and Loathing changed my mind completely
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I wouldn't go so far as to say I wasn't a fan but he wasn't high on my list until that movie
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
benicio del toro was great in that movie as well..Im sure him and depp “researched heavily” for the film
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Benicio's character was my favorite in that movie because you didn't know when he might merk someone
If only they really could have taken some adrenaline from someone brain like in the film haha
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
At least I'm pretty sure it was adrenaline
Been a while since I’ve seen it though.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Depp
lived in HST’s basement for 6 months to research the role
Its safe to say that without Playboy we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today. - Jonathan Snowden
why dont more fighters train with bas?
i mean hes pretty much seen and done it all in mma. just wondering why more guys dont go to him.
I'm pretty sure fighters think he is talking down to them with the way he puts things and a lot of fighters are too proud for that
plus he also makes you do whatever he says with no ifs ands or buts and a lot fighters hate that.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
really?
Maybe fighters that are on top in their weight class don’t like being told what to do. But I have to imagine that 90% of training camps are that “my way or the highway” approach
by Fedorable on Feb 2, 2011 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You don't have to be a top tier fighter or even a goiod fighter to have an ego
That is the reason Kimbo stopped training with Bas in the first place as well….
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Would certainly be interesting if Brock trained at GG.
I’m all for it. Would love to see the results.
great interview
man I just love these interviews with people who know what they’re talking about..
my dissapointment in Brock
Comes from his mentality after the fight /w Cain, he should have changed gyms, his whole philosophy of ‘they made me champion’ is bunk.
He would make a great addition to a camp that caters to proper game planning and avoiding total damage, he is quick enough to avoid damage but he obviously needs to learn how to take the damage, and not appear hurt as hell.
Fedor when he used to get DESTROYED would appear undamaged, unphased, it totally disencourages the other fighter.
The people he hires aren’t yes men but I do somewhat believe they propably have a ’don’t hurt brock / strike brock" policy in the gym
Fedor grew up in Russia... Brock is a rich American
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Feb 2, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
By that I mean Fedor has a real since of pride and country and Americans grab cash and run
I’m American BTW so I can say that because it’s true.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
you’re on fire with the astute observations.
I was one of the authors of the Port Huron Statement.
by Grappo on Feb 3, 2011 4:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Godspeed and party on!
arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded!
ring rust is not that obvious when you fight Ruben Villareal, Bas
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Feb 3, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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