Dana White: Excited for Anderson Silva vs. GSP Superfight
by Nick Thomas on Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM EST
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Dana White talks to ESPN.com:
"What happened is they're both close to cleaning out their division. If Anderson (Silva) beats Vitor Belfort and (Georges) St. Pierre beats Jake Shields, seriously, what's left for them?"Lorenzo Fertitta agrees:
"It's a fun fight to do."
"The fans [understand] that (moving up weight classes is a long-standing tradition for any elite fighter). No doubt about it. That's what I love about this fight. I'm all about legacy. That's what matters more than the money. I love it if a guy will go up for a super fight like this. Anderson Silva has already moved up and fought at 205. For 'GSP' to do it, I think it's big for his legacy."
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I know I've heard this before
But what weight does he need to put on?
AS claims to not cut any water weight. That means he’s weighing around 185-190 at fight night. That’s exactly where GSP is right now.
I’m not saying that Georges couldn’t benefit from weight gain at 185, but it’s not entirely necessary for this bout.
GSP is like a scientist with his fight prep...
He would probably want to bulk up so he could cut down a bit. He has also said that any such move would be permanent.
Absolutley
I understand that he’d probably want to be around 205 and cut 20 so he can maximize his strength advantage (provided it wasn’t a detriment to his conditioning).
This makes plenty of sense for the fights he would have at 185 after AS, but I don’t see why they can’t schedule the bout for August/September. That would give him 4 months to start bulking, and provided he was victorious against Silva, another 4 months after that before his first title defense at 185. That seems like enough time to bulk up. Especially if you’ve got a dietitian, strength coach, and discipline.
The reason this fight hasn't already happened:
GSP’s safety concerns
So Silva will have to demonstrate once again his own vulnerability.
He will dumb down another fight just to get a GSP-sized pay day. The Griffin destruction scared everyone off last time.
But GSP wont be fooled.
Ex-manager Sherri Spencer was fired because she said it was inevitable that GSP will have to fight Silva – wrong.
Rather than fight Silva, GSP will give Shields the victory and continue his training with Joe Rogan.
A frequent topic that has come up when fans and analysts discuss St-Pierre’s continued dominance in the welterweight division is that of motivation. Spencer is not worried about her client’s motivation at present, but admits that it could become more of an issue the longer his reign lasts. In that case, she echoed the sentiments of 99% of MMA fans when she suggested that a move up in weight may be inevitable for St-Pierre.
Mauro Interview: http://video.thescore.com/watch/shari-spencer-interview-with-mauro
GSP doesnt’ like her groupie-style managing, let alone her saying he has to move up.
He's on the 'make shit up while you're stoned' side.
I know less about recognizing true fighting talent than George W. Bush does about finding weapons of mass destruction. From now on if I wanna pick a winner I will ask the-gentle-way.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!
It ALWAYS seemed to make sense at the time…I finally starting writing and recording shit, just to see and…damn…suffice to say, it made about as much sense as this guy’s did…at best…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
There is no side to be on – GSP fear will not allow a fight with Silva.
No matter how much money White and Fertita see in it.
No matter how much headway Strikeforce makes against the UFC and the UFC calls on GSP to help them.
No matter how much Silva dumbs down his abilities.
GSP will not fight Silva unless he can get a written guarantee that Silva will not hit too hard.
Are you using one of the dispensery products?
If so, which brand? If you are not high, this is BS of the highest order. What possible reason do you think GSP would have to be afraid of Anderson?
At the highest level, all of these guys truly believe that they could beat anyone…somewhere, Jose Aldo is probably watching tape of Reem in K-1 and thinking “I could chop that fucking grizzly down to size…”
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
GSP fear is well-documented
GSP takes up martial arts to defend against bigger bullies – fear induced training – you still see it today – fear motivates his training – fear of failure, fear of embarassment, fear of injury.
Fighting Silva poses risk of nearly certain failure: injury, loss of status, lost aura of invivibility, loss of endorsments, loss of poster boy appeal.
Enter sports pychologist and recent safe fighting strategies.
read gsp's old blogs
http://www.yardbarker.com/blog/stpierre
He quit blogging due to keyboard strikes.
You think he was kidding when he said he was afraid of being taken by aliens?
He wasn’t.
Fear of failure/losing motivates most elite athletes it seems, but you either don’t understand the concept or are trying to completely twist it to suite your imagination.
You say that:
Fighting Silva poses risk of nearly certain failure: injury, loss of status, lost aura of invivibility, loss of endorsments, loss of poster boy appeal.
How does your previous comment of losing to Shields intentionally not damage him far worse?
Rather than fight Silva, GSP will give Shields the victory and continue his training with Joe Rogan.
Still suspecting you are smoking some really high end shit…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Losing to Shields on points or submission is more acceptable
Rich Franklin agrees.
Meanwhile, back at Rogan’s house:
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/298850/Joe-Rogan-teaches-GSP-the-art-of-the-side-kick/
Still suspecting you are smoking some really high end shit…
Gotta be Oracle, at least.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 2, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
High comedy indeed...
Rather than fight Silva, GSP will give Shields the victory and continue his training with Joe Rogan
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
puff-puff-internet conspiracy theory-pass
I know less about recognizing true fighting talent than George W. Bush does about finding weapons of mass destruction. From now on if I wanna pick a winner I will ask the-gentle-way.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 2, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
F'ing hilarious stuff there lowellthehammer...
Must be some serious hydro he’s loading his bowl with…or its laced a bit…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Can't trust these dealers anymore.
I know less about recognizing true fighting talent than George W. Bush does about finding weapons of mass destruction. From now on if I wanna pick a winner I will ask the-gentle-way.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 2, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he’s rolling his own version of what we used to call a primo way back in the day…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
GSP claims to be 192+ in the cage these days, which sounds about right.
He would need to add mass to fight the bigger guys at MW afterwards like Sonnen (who was 207 vs. Anderson iirc).
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
This fight will never happen
I am picking Vitor to beat Anderson.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 2, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why does this fight need to happen? I could understand if it was stylistically interesting but its pretty clear that GSP will get the takedown and is good enough on his feet to not get KO’d by Silva on his way in.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
Hateration
The Chael fight really has opened the flood gates for every Anderson hater to point out how amazingly easy it is to beat him (despite the fact that nobody has yet managed that feat in the UFC).
That outcome may be clear to you, but what’s clear to me is that Anderson will be bigger and longer than GSP, he will have significantly superior striking (power and accuracy) and he will be a threat from the bottom when he gets taken down. If that’s not an interesting stylistic matchup for you, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you skip that PPV.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Feb 2, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I would favor GSP.
But matches aren’t fought on paper. That’s why I don’t get people that say dumb shit like “Meh, obvious outcome is obvious.” like it wouldn’t be the biggest match in MMA as of right now. Both guys are each other’s most difficult test.
I know less about recognizing true fighting talent than George W. Bush does about finding weapons of mass destruction. From now on if I wanna pick a winner I will ask the-gentle-way.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 2, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t know how I’d pick it (probably Silva, just from a sentimental standpoint) but there is something else going on with these guys who think that any guy who knows how to execute a double-leg can beat Silva now.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Feb 2, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
GSP is really the only one with the skillset imo (takedowns, guard passes, submission defense, gas tank) to do it. Rashad might be able to in a 3-rounder, and Shields, Jacare (friend) and maybe even Fitch would all be threats.
Honestly, the fun fantasy fights I want for Anderson are a bit odd to most, aside from Shogun. BJ in vs. Diego shape at a CW of 178 or so. Maybe Nick Diaz with proper time to add a little mass or at a CW as well.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m a HUGE Andeson fan. I’ve flown out to see him fight in three different states. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they have some anti-Anderson motivation. GSP is a HORRIBLE match-up for Anderson.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
maybe but we won’t know for sure until it happens! We can’t, as fans, decide on paper that GSP or Silva would obviously win. It has to happen. Why wouldn’t we want it to happen? As far as a sporting event goes, this would be the biggest fight in MMA HISTORY! The arguable P4P #1 vs #2!
If it doesn’t happen, it would be one of the biggest letdowns ever.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
ET Son- formerly known as emoney. Effing hax.
it’s the two most awesome dudes of an era. i know what you’re saying about styles, but it’s just so much awesomeness. How do you know Silva can’t KO Georges on the way in? how do you know Georges will automatically get the takedown?
it’s a matchup of a supreme, workmanlike athlete who has great physicality but hat built his rep on maximizing and perfecting straighforward, fundamental techniques versus a guy with alien reflexes, and freaky unorthodox techniques
live pleasant
by eastcoastatlas on Feb 2, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather see
Shogun vs. Anderson at 205, but this is the next best alternative even though I think GSP wins surprisingly easily, so long as he is not fool enough to try to stand and trade with Anderson for any length of time.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Right there with you. Seeing the striking exchanges between Shogun and Anderson would be amazing. People are kidding themselves if they think GSP would go toe-to-toe with Anderson while Shogun definitely would.
"You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either." - Dan Hardy
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Anderson vs. Shogun is my single top realistic fantasy fight in MMA, but I don’t think we’ll ever see it since this fight is more valuable to Zuffa
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
This fight needs to happen because its possible!
How often do any top P4P fighters close enough in weight actually get to fight each other. Pac will never fight Floyd and Jose Aldo will never fight Cain. We never saw Fedor fight Couture. We did see Penn vs GSP and now theres a possibility that we can see number 1 vs number 2. This is once in a blue moon moment and we should be pumped to see this and New York would be the best place for it.
First of all you can no longer call Silva a top P4P fighter. He got tooled by Sonnen who I can’t stand. Silva bearly survived that fight.
Second is that GSP is not big enough to move up to MW. Why do you people want to see a fight where one guy will easily out weight the other by close to 30lbs. GSP will lose by size and reach. I would want GSP to win, but it is a horrible match up.
This fight should not happen and people should stop discussing it.
i dont care for you as a person.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 16 recs
You are nuts
if nothing else the Chael fight proved that a good wrestler can beat Silva, provided that the wrestler has a good ground game and know when a triangle choke is coming. GSP is the best take down artist in MMA. He has great striking and great BBJ. To say that this is a bad match up nfor GSP is nuts. He is a bad match up for Silva.
The best takedown artist in MMA
is actually probably Chael. He’s less multidimensional than GSP, but that aspect of his game is as good or better than anyone in the sport. He is also much bigger than GSP, so I wouldn’t immediately assume that GSP will be able to duplicate every success that Chael had.
As for the headline, yes that person you responded to is nuts.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Feb 2, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
IMO GSP’s takedowns are far superior to Sonnen’s. He sets them up better with his strikes. follows through better and he is far quicker and faster.
Sonnen does fight 12-15 pounds heavier than GSP, but GSP has taken down heavier guys than Anderson (Alves, Fitch for starters) who have far better TDD.
At this point in their careers, I think GSP gets him down 8/10, easily.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Just the fact that two people can look at the match up and come to wildly different conclusions as to the obvious favorite is from a stylistic stand point is strong evidence that this fight needs to occur.
by HarryBolsagna on Feb 2, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Well put...
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
so you're trolling right?
Everything you said is wrong. I hope you’re just bs’ing
Got "tooled" by Sonnen?
No matter what happened in that fight, Silva won. Just because you “almost” lose a fight doesn’t make you any less great. Hell, even if you lose a fight it doesn’t make you any less great as far as GOAT is concerned.
GOAT p4p isn’t about being invincible, it’s about volume of repeated greatness. Like, it wasn’t just “The Scream” that made Edvard Munch a great painter that we still study today, it was his whole life as a painter that made him great.
Fedor doesn’t have a spotless record but he is still one of the greatest pound 4 pound MMA fighters of all time.
As for the whole “30lbs” thing and bigger reach, don’t you remember UFC used to be open weight class? And Royce Gracie still “tooled” people….and won after he tooled them. Sure, it will be a challenge for G.S.P. but, that’s why it should happen, G.S.P. isn’t being “challenged”….
Plus it will make a shitload of money and everyone will love the fight.
Silva v.s. G.S.P. at Madison Square Garden? Man, that would take UFC into another stratosphere.
Your wrong
1. He is a top P4P fighter because he has won 12 in a row in the UFC.
2. GSP comes into fights probably around 185 so the 30 pounds advantage won’t happen. You also don’t know what a “horrible matchup” is.
3. This fight should happen and we will discuss it.
4. I just don’t like you.
GSP probably comes to fight around 185 which means Anderson will much heavier than him, since 185 is Anderson’s weigh at the weigh ins, just like GSP’s 170.
Anderson said himself he walks around 220, so it is probably safe to assume he fights over 200.
by mmablitzkrieg on Feb 2, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't
Walking around weight refers to between fights. Anderson and Ed have said Anderson doesn’t cut weight (in the proper use of the phrase). He was 192 two weeks out for Maia and said he would get off the plane at 185. He fought at 185-188 there.
GSP on the other hand enters the cage at 192+ these days.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
It is quite strange for someone to lose 35lbs in a camp without cutting any weigh, it sounds more like Ed trying to make Anderson sound better than he is (“look, he does not cut weigh, he is not trying to fight smaller guys”)
by mmablitzkrieg on Feb 2, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
“Cutting weight” refers to the rapid dehydration/rehydration process that many of the (mostly) North American based/trained fighters use (GSP, Maynard, Fitch, Sonnen, Jones and the like) to make weight yet enter the cage much heavier.
A guy who weighs 192 two weeks out and 185 several days out is just not going to enter the cage at 195+.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
I do understand what cutting weigh means. What I meant is exactly that it is quite strange for a guy who’s 220 usually (without being fat) to get to 185 without any weigh cutting technique.
Ed usually changes much of what Anderson says in his translation, I don’t really doubt that he’d lie about Anderson not cutting weigh just to make him look more impressive.
BTW, most Brazilian pros cut weigh too, even in regional circuits.
by mmablitzkrieg on Feb 2, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Few of the high level Brazilian-based fighters cut weight (other than maybe 5 pounds), although many of the US based ones do. In fact, I am not aware of any who do using true scientific weight cutting techniques (i.e. the only way it works where you still keep your strength and endurance).
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
???
Alves looks like a LHW. Gleison Tibau looks like a MW. Vitor, Wandy, Anderson and Palhares are all guys who could be fighting at (or have fought at) LHW.
So just because Anderson doesn’t sit in a sauna and drop 10 lbs the day before the weigh ins, doesn’t mean that he doesn’t cut weight.
He has to go from 220 to 185 some how…He might just be more proficient at cutting weight then most other guys.
although many of the US based ones do
Alves, Tibau, Wandy, and Vitor are US based.
I know less about recognizing true fighting talent than George W. Bush does about finding weapons of mass destruction. From now on if I wanna pick a winner I will ask the-gentle-way.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 2, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I know of local (Brazilian-based) fighters who cut more than 15lbs for their fights.
by mmablitzkrieg on Feb 2, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't doubt you at all,
But I was saying the elite or high level guys (Andy, Shogun, Machida, Aldo, etc) don’t cut like that.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Anderson doesn't cut weight,
He enters the cage for a MW fight at 185-188. Even fighting at WW, GSP enters at 192+.
There is a height and reach component of course that is a valid concern.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Soares has said a bunch of times
that Anderson is about 185 in the days leading up to the fight.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
I find that to be highly suspect
But, we can’t really tell, so may as well take him at his word.
However, for this fight, I would expect Anderson to want to come in slightly heavier than usual, to intensify his weight advantage.
"All the time he's boxing, he's thinking. All the time he was thinking, I was hitting him." - Jack Dempsey
by Drunken cutman on Feb 2, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
AS has weighed in at 182
so I don’t think he is ever cutting more than 5 pounds.
I’ll try to find some articles, but I’ve heard it numerous times, AS has no problem getting to 185 days before the weigh in.
"I'll rock your body with big nasty hooks!"
IIRC
It was on the “Countdown” show prior to the Maia fight where he discussed it.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I have no reason to doubt him
And because he doesn’t truly cut weight (nor do any of the elite non-North American based fighters I can think of) there is no way to come in heavier, not that being heavier would improve his game, given his fighting style.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Jake sheilds Rd. 1 by Murphy's Law Choke.
Jake shields is the destroyer of the best laid plans in mma.
I kind of thought jake was gonna win to begin with. Now I am absolutely positive he wins in Devastating fashion.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 1:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I like GSP, and I want the superfight to happen
but I would probably die laughing if Shields choked out GSP in the first.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Feb 2, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I cant get that idea out of my head now.
I want this super fight soooooo bad and sheilds is gonna ruin it. Or vitor… someone is gonna ruin it. I just feel like its gonna be sheilds.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
c'mon, that shit would be funny
especially if it was Shields. Can you picture the look on Dana’s face, as Shields is giving his boring-ass interview with Rogan…as Nick Diaz mean-faces behind him? It’d be awesome. I’m kinda rooting for that now.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Feb 2, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i would laugh sooo hard.
"True strength is not always shown through victory. Stand up, try again and display strength of heart." - Rickson Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree that someone will ruin it.
Which is why this fight should’ve been made a year ago. But whatever.
I know less about recognizing true fighting talent than George W. Bush does about finding weapons of mass destruction. From now on if I wanna pick a winner I will ask the-gentle-way.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 2, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think Vitor has a better chance than Shields
Shields is gonna get destroyed on the feet for 5 rounds. This will be GSP / Fitch 2
Even Fitch got GSP down a time or two, didn’t he? And its during the scrambles when Shields is the most dangerous. GSP should win, but Shields has a history of finding a way to win when he “shouldn’t”.
Now that Dana has said this, Vitor and Jake probably win…
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong.
I know less about recognizing true fighting talent than George W. Bush does about finding weapons of mass destruction. From now on if I wanna pick a winner I will ask the-gentle-way.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 2, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
how so?
i know from watching the fight that Fitch didnt get any takedowns, nor was he ever on top
i checked fightmetric, which also says that fitch was 0-5 in TD’s and was never on top.
please tell me how i am wrong?
Bazinga!
Fitch didn't score any takedowns
but I clearly remember him being on top at one point, I think from rolling into guard when GSP had his back. FightMetric doesn’t tell the whole story.
I know less about recognizing true fighting talent than George W. Bush does about finding weapons of mass destruction. From now on if I wanna pick a winner I will ask the-gentle-way.
by lowellthehammer on Feb 2, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
By "finding a way to win when he shouldn't"
do you mean winning an undeserved decision over Kampmann?
Shields was injured leading up to that and had a terrible cut. Having said that, if Martin fights smarter he wins imo.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Me too, although my confidence in Vitor is waning as the fight approaches.
Shields is awesome, I like him as a fighter, but this is a bad matchup for him.
I hope Vitor can give Anderson a good fight.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
live pleasant
by eastcoastatlas on Feb 2, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
it’s funny, even as a GSP and Silva fan, i almost always root for challengers in title fights, just for a shakeup, but right now i’m rooting for this.
live pleasant
by eastcoastatlas on Feb 2, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
and by this i mean GSP/Silva, not shields winning, even tho i like him too
live pleasant
by eastcoastatlas on Feb 2, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Because its better for a grappler to be in against bigger, stronger guys?
Shields is a natural WW and was way puffed up as a MW. He may have struggled with the cut for Kampmann, but he is much more suited to fight at 170.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Feb 2, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
He is better suited for 170, but
MW is a division ripe for the taking for him, particularly once Anderson retires.
"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." -Mark Twain
by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
MW is a little weaker than WW
especially minus Silva, but at the top, its still pretty nasty for a guy like Shields, who would give up a lot of size to an Okami or a Sonnen (assuming he doesn’t deflate post roids).
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
he wont ever be off of them.
He will just cycle better.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If what Sonnen and his doctor claimed is true,
he won’t be off them.
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by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Post roids? Why you say so, only SF fighters take roids?
SF fights are comissioned just like UFC fights, by the same comissions.
And BTW the recent roids scandals were on the UFC.
by mmablitzkrieg on Feb 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
He is talking about Sonnen deflating, not Shields, nothing to do with SF.
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by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Makes a lot of sense, sorry then, got it wrong.
by mmablitzkrieg on Feb 2, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
It would be sort of like Liddell vs Silva
Should have happened in 2006 when both were at their peak. In the end, both lost and still had a great fight against each other, but some of the lustre of the fight was gone.
by funkywanderer on Feb 2, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm.....
Jake shields is the destroyer of the best laid plans in mma.
I think you meant, Jake Shields plan is to lay in MMA. Like how he just laid on Mayhem unti lthe fight was over.
So stupid...
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by Richard Wade on Feb 2, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Did you watch the Shields - Mayhem fight?
I thoroughly enjoyed that fight, hardly a LnP example.
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by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i had to break out the billy madison for this one.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Stop taking the internet so damned seriously.
It’s called a joke.
You guys attack comments like Wanderlei Silva attacked Sakuraba.
I'm glad Zuffa has finally come around to this
In terms of relevance, this could be the most important fight in the modern era of the UFC. I have little doubt that St. Pierre will hold up his end of the deal by beating Shields- I hope Silva does as well.
"Anderson Silva has already moved up and fought at 205. For 'GSP' to do it, I think it's big for his legacy."
First off, I’m all for this fight. But this argument is not a valid one.
Anderson didn’t go up in weight and fight a dominant, undefeated champion. He fought James Irvin and Forrest Griffin. Forrest is a former champ, yes, but he has no title defenses. Anderson has 7 (8 if you include Lutter).
It would be smart to see how GSP.
Still, this fight will happen. I really hope Anderson and GSP both win their fights so this super-fight will still have the same (or more) magnitude.
Griffin is very credibile
Wins over shogun,rampage,tito,sonnen,monson,bonnar*2,etc. And he was up 2 rds. On rashad when he got caught. No need to rewrite history to fit your hating.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 2, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wish they would stop teasing us.
Stop with this shit already. They always do this. They’ve been doing this for years. They pull up the skirt, but never take off the panties. Are they waiting for Silva to be an old man. Either do it this year, (if they both win their fights) or stop talking about it. Just say it won’t happen.
I think I’d rather Anderson move up and see what he’s got for the LHW’s. That division is the toughest by far. Anderson\Shogun, Anderson\Rampage, Anderson\Evans the list could go on for days.
Texas A&M got beat so bad in the Cotton Bowl there was a 21 gun salute at the end of the 4th quarter.
None of those fights have the kind of impact of GSP/Silva
Not one UFC LHW champ since Chuck LIddell, has had more than one sucessful title defense. That’s 4 years without a legit champion. Silva and GSP are the most dominant champions of our time. THey need to fight.
There the most dominant because thier divisions are shallow. Well not GSP’s, but MW lacks a lot of big time players. And I agree that they don’t have the impact of GSP\Anderson, but I also think that Shogun\Anderson or Rampage\Silva would be more fun to watch.
Texas A&M got beat so bad in the Cotton Bowl there was a 21 gun salute at the end of the 4th quarter.
since none of us can see the future and therefore have no basis for determining which fights would definitely be more fun to watch, wouldn’t you want to see the most historically impactful fight happen?
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by eastcoastatlas on Feb 2, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. I put my reason a in another comment down the line. I’m stealing what jcbrewer and truck were saying.
If Anderson wins, he just beat a really, really good guy that was smaller than him.
…and if Anderson loses, all of the questions about his strength of competition pop up again.
Plus I don’t like GSP. If he wins he will be proclaimed the best fighter in history. And even with my hate for him I couldn’t deny that either.
Texas A&M got beat so bad in the Cotton Bowl there was a 21 gun salute at the end of the 4th quarter.
He can do that whether he beats GSP or not and it will still be interesting.
But he’s got to fight GSP first. Especially if GSP is moving up permanently.
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I would love to see this superfight. I’d love to see it even if GSP or Silva got beat by Shields/Belfort. This is a fight that is just worth seeing, but more so if both fighters remain undefeated, which I think will remain.
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If he can beat Silva it would be epic for his legacy. He’d have wins over two other perennial P4P fighters, one bigger and one smaller than him. It’d make him the best fighter to date.
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This is true.
The upside really isn’t there for Silva though. I don’t know that GSP is a better matchup for him than Shogun and moving up and winning would be better for him.
Also, I think Silva wrecks GSP.
It does less for Anderson, but I think it would hugely bump is star power if he won. Besides, he’d have a win over the only guy who ever competes with him as #1 P4P.
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True
but they’ll still be silly.
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Same issue
GSP had fighting BJ. Be nice for GSP to get to play the opposite card for once.
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by Chris Barton on Feb 2, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, everybody wanting to see history made with Silva vs St.Pierre will see the first ever guy to win titles at 185 and 205 when Vitor finishes Anderson Saturday night, so don’t feel too bad about it.
hey, if this happens, he’ll probably end up as WW champ
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by eastcoastatlas on Feb 2, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Would GSP just hold 2 belts in both Weight classes? Really sucks to be him. It’ll be Penn and probably another #1 contender fight against Ellenberger before they entertain Fitch/GSP II.
St. Pierre has said in the past that if he goes up to 185 it would be for good. I would imagine that the winner of Penn/Fitch would fight someone else for the vacant welterweight title.
by BilboMcFonzie on Feb 2, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
the conventional wisdom is that GSP would be moving up permanently, in which case it would be impossible to deny fitch a shot for the vacancy if he beats BJ. i like fitch more than most, but Silva/GSP is just too damn good for me to worry about Fitch right now. he has a sweet truck, he’ll be fine
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by eastcoastatlas on Feb 2, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I voted for Silva moving up.
There are a number of interesting fights there for him. Shogun, Page, Evans, Bones / Bader winner. All of those fights would be awesome, especially Shogun though.
GSP is a one time deal and one of them walks away damaged.
Not to mention I think GSP gets destroyed unless Silva has truly lost a step and the injury was a non factor in the Sonnen fight.
Great minds think alike.
Except for the part about GSP getting destroyed. I don’t want to see that fight because I don’t want GSP too get anymore clout. Damn goody two shoe’d bastard!
Texas A&M got beat so bad in the Cotton Bowl there was a 21 gun salute at the end of the 4th quarter.
Getting KO'd wouldn't give him clout.
If Silva wins it would be by KO or sub. Can a smaller GSP really out wrestle him for 5 rounds?
The last time GSP faced a striker that good was never. He did work Alves though.
The last time GSP faced a BJJ player that good will be Shields, but neither he or Penn is as dangerous off their back as Andy
The last time GSP faced a striker that good was never.
You could say that about anybody Anderson faces.
GSP always has a good gameplan. I think he could wrestle fuck Silva to death. I’d like to see GSP in a tune up at MW against Chael to see if he really is one of the best wrestlers in MMA.
Texas A&M got beat so bad in the Cotton Bowl there was a 21 gun salute at the end of the 4th quarter.
by DayGeaux on Feb 2, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is true, but Alves is the only fighter recently that was even close.
FWIW, Silva hasn’t faced many strikers who are as good as GSP either. Belfort may not be a walk in the park. He has tons of speed and power.
GSP is heavier, but shorter at WW than Andy is at MW. Alves was heavier than Andy when GSP fought him.
Unlike the submission-prone Sonnen, GSP does not linger in the guard of someone with dangerous BJJ, he passes, and Andy has never shown an inclination to get off his back once he’s planted there.
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by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is true, but Andy's long limbs and submission ability off his back
do present problems that neither Penn or Shields did.
True
And if GSP was a guard-sitter I would be worried about that, but he’s not and will work to pass every time.
Shields has a very different style and is far more dangerous in the scramble than he will be off his back IMO…he is the one guy I would genuinely be fearful of GSP scrambling with.
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by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
How do you hold AS down without being in his guard?
Watch his non-Sonnen ground fights. He’s a helluva squirmer. He’s got lots of hardtoholdontoness.
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by TheFilt on Feb 2, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're gonna have to unrec it :(
Lord Joseph(Benavidez) invented it.
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Great photo editing
That almost looks real.
by INGO B on Feb 2, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I can’t believe people are actually voting for Okami with all this other stuff on the table. darn ultra-purists
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Hmmmm...
Given that Anderson has repeatedly stated he’d like this fight (even publicly offering to drop to WW for it last year) I’m not sure there’s much weight to that argument.
Seems to me that GSP’s reluctance to go up in weight has been the major factor in postponing this fight. Not saying I don’t agree with his logic or that I think he’s scared of Anderson, but he’s definitely seemed the more reluctant to me
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I suspect he has been reluctant to give up on WW
and move permanently to MW.
Personally, and for many reasons, I would much prefer this to be a 5-round 178 CW.
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by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
First of all...
I said it just because I thought it was funny…
Second, there was A LOT of people delaying this fight, one of the big ones was Dana.
I have been fooling myself
into thinking I was indifferent toward this fight, but when I saw the photoshopped staredown at the top, I had a seizure. This fight. Must happen.
seriously? no love for okami?
he just beat marquardt, hes gotta fight silva before this superfight happens
also if fitch gets a win over bj penn, he deserves his shot against GSP again (im not saying fitch has a good chance of beating gsp, all im saying is he deserves a shot)
after those two fights, yea i guess we can see the superfight
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The problem with this is...
You can string it out forever. Anderson Silva is 35 years old and may have lost a step already. St. Pierre destroyed Fitch the first time. Okami lost to Rich Franklin and Chael Sonnen.
They have the opportunity to make a historic fight- they need to do it before it hits its expiration date.
by BilboMcFonzie on Feb 2, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
was just about to say something similar. Anderson will already be 36 if this happens later this year. The others can wait. They should still be hanging around the top 5 for another couple years
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by eastcoastatlas on Feb 2, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Okami will have to settle
for getting the winner of this fight…
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by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Again, yes Silva has put in some work. But to be P4P in my book you need to be more well rounded like GSP. Silva got lucky Sonnen quit paying attention for a split second. I wanted that fight to be a double KO. I dislike Sonnen BS and Silva’s cage antics. Silva claims his walk around weight is like 235 and GSP’s like 195. I think GSP is the more well rounded fighter, but he will lose to size.
And yes Sonnen tooled Silva. With Silva’s size I would rather him fight “Bones” Jones.
I am not a Sonnen fan and GSP should not fight Silva. Size does matter.
Silva walking around at 220ish is very different than his fighting weight which is 185-188, maybe 190…less than GSP fights at in WW.
Size does matter, but only to our women…otherwise, see Lesnar/Cain where, as almost always, superior technique wins the day.
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by The American Ronin on Feb 2, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
The longer this gets put off the better for GSP
Andy gets older. GSP grows into 85 more. Every day prolonging it is to GSP’s advantage.
18 months ago I’d say GSP loses. Now I’d pick him in a grinding decision like the Sonnen fight bout without the sub at the end.
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Feb 2, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions
Don't see it
I know this is a very unpopular opinion, and it seems like I’m trying to rain on everyones parade, but I don’t see this fight ever happening. GSP says he’ll do it if he has the time to do it right, but his body language is clear as day, he has no desire to move up. He will retire at WW, mark my words.
Forget GSP vs Silva
How about Nick Diaz vs GSP. Both fighters are in the same weight class and are in their prime.
I’d be about as pumped as I was when GSP fought Dan Hardy.
Texas A&M got beat so bad in the Cotton Bowl there was a 21 gun salute at the end of the 4th quarter.
I'm the biggest Nick Diaz fan in the world.
But I don’t think he has an answer for G.S.P. yet.
I think it would be a competitive match, but I see G.S.P. saying to hell with getting jabbed x infinity and taking Nick down and holding him there.
Nick could submit him, but unlikely. His only submission loss was Matt Hughes back in 2004. I say if G.S.P. felt Nick getting close to trying to submit him, he’d just stand up, and then take Nick down again. Rinse and repeat.
He’d get wrestle fucked(since you liked that term). GSP’s pretty good about passing to either half or side control if he thinks his opponent has some ground skills. Diaz would eat him up on the feet though.
Texas A&M got beat so bad in the Cotton Bowl there was a 21 gun salute at the end of the 4th quarter.
Diaz absolutely would not eat GSP up on the feet
Primarily because GSP wouldn’t give him a chance, and secondly because Diaz is sloppy, has poor defense, and throws mostly bloody arm punches.
I’m not saying that GSP would beat him down, but it would be closely contended on the feet, at the very least.
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by Drunken cutman on Feb 2, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
This one would nice
seeing Nick get tooled by GSP would be really fun. Can’t stand Diaz.
by mmablitzkrieg on Feb 2, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Mini tourney in each weight class while the champs are sidelined with this fight
winner faces each champion when they come back for their title.
Sure one champion will be coming off a loss, but i have a feeling this will be a catchweight superfight.
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