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Post Fedor Loss Showtime, Strikeforce and M-1 Global Locked in an Awkward Dance

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In the afterglow aftermath of Fedor Emelianenko's devastating loss to Antonio Silva, we've had a delightful week of picking over the bones of Fedor's career. But now it's time to look at what it means for the future. The future of the MMA business that is. 

Showtime and M-1 Global announced that Showtime will be broadcasting M-1 Global events starting this spring, via MMA Fighting:

International fight promotion M-1 Global and premium U.S. cable channel Showtime have reached a deal to televise four U.S. events in 2011, MMA Fighting has learned.

The first event will take place on March 25 at the Constant Convocation Center in Norfolk, Va. and air at 11 p.m. ET. It will be the first of four M-1 U.S. Challenge shows to appear on the network this year, sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed.

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Back in September when MMAPayout broke the news regarding the negotiations between M-1 Global and Showtime, it was speculated that this was part of the deal in order for Fedor to re-sign with Strikeforce and keep him on board, which was a key piece since Strikeforce and Showtime were already working on putting the Heavyweight Grand Prix together. Since that time, sources close to the negotiations have informed MMAPayout that this TV deal between Showtime and M-1 Global was seperate to the Fedor deal, and has been ongoing since September of 2010.

M-1 took a big blow with Fedor's loss in the first round of the HW GP this past Saturday as he almost announced his retirement on the network, but with a Showtime TV set to air the M-1 Challenge events and Fedor's most recent comments that he will continue to fight, the blow has at least softened a bit.

Jordan Breen talked to Ariel Helwani about the possibility that Strikeforce and Showtime were actually secretly happy that Fedor lost (transcription via Fight Opinion):

JORDAN BREEN: But, do you think there's a real sense of joy and relief from Scott Coker and company that maybe they can go full-speed ahead on Alistair Overeem and maybe put the nightmarish dealings with M-1 behind them?"

ARIEL HELWANI: "Like I said, I don't think that they will admit this to us on the record at least but, trust me, I'm not going to call anyone out but I spoke to a few people in Strikeforce who, when I said ‘what does this mean?', a smile instantly appeared on their face. I mean, I'm not saying that they're rooting for Fedor, obviously not, but let's be honest, I mean, everyone knows that it's very hard to deal with M-1.

"So, now, April 9th it's not an M-1 Global & Strikeforce event. That's just a Strikeforce event. This one had to be an M-1 Global event because Fedor was on the card. April 9th isn't. ... So, just think of that. Whatever their deal is with M-1 Global and, you know, they have to share part of the profits and all that stuff. They don't have to do that any more. And now, fine, you know, Fedor's going to come back and he's going to fight, but I just think it opens up a lot of, imagine if they are going to do PPV for the second round. Well, now, Fedor's not part of the PPV show. He still might be on the card, you know, that could switch things up, but I think it just opens a lot of things up for Strikeforce. They can deal with their own brand, they can make the decisions that they want, they can promote it how they want, they don't have to deal with any politics behind the scenes, and we all know that it's been hard to deal with M-1 Global. Everyone from Dana White to Scott Coker and anyone else will tell you that. Now they're in the clear and they can do whatever they want."

On the other hand, Breen and Helwani also address the fact that Fedor losing definitely slows down Strikeforce's PPV plans:

JORDAN BREEN: "So at this point in time, do you think that, like, how far do you see them away from being on a PPV? What do you think would be an appropriate timeline and setup for them to get on PPV? Is the return of Gina Carano good enough or interesting enough to make it without a Fedor/Overeem fight on the immediate horizon? Is there something they can make do with to break into PPV?"

ARIEL HELWANI: "I thought, you know, Scott Coker said on Bloomberg last week that by Fall 2011 they hope to be in the PPV business and obviously that was before Saturday night. I think what happened on Saturday night definitely delays things. I was going to say kind of delays things, it definitely does. I definitely think that, as you mentioned, Overeem vs. Fedor that's a PPV main event. Would they get 500,000 buys? I don't think so. Would they get 200,000? Maybe, and I think that would be a success.

"I mean, let's not forget, the UFC name on its own, in my opinion, gets around 200,000-250,000 buys. You know, even their worse show will get that much just because people think, ‘oh, it's a UFC show, we know what we're getting.' Strikeforce isn't a known PPV brand just yet. So, that kind of delays things for them. So, now you have to see how the tournament plays out. If things where it's a match that everyone wants to see, you know, I don't know if Overeem vs. Barnett is really a PPV fight that people will actually pay $30 or $40 for but if things play out and you can sell the tournament and its been some epic fights along the way, I think you can do that.

That's the thing about schadenfreude, no matter how much of a headache M-1 Global is to negotiate with, it's better to have a headache and a successful PPV than no headache and no PPV.

As far as M-1 Global on Showtime goes, I'd prefer them to be back on HDNet personally, but I'm fine with their events getting major exposure. They generally book quality fights and I consider them a solid second tier promotion, right up there with MFC and Tachi Palace. 

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the few M-1 events Ive seen have been lackluster

by Str8_right on Feb 18, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

whoa. startin’ it off in naw-fick. that’s an odd choice.

by woooburn on Feb 18, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

ha, fair enough

i lived down there for close to 8 years, but have been away for awhile, so i guess i’m a little rusty.

p.s. you still have the best username ever.

by woooburn on Feb 18, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Fedor in SF is good for them regardless if he wins or loses. If he wins, the old Fedor is making a comeback, if he loses, the SF heavyweight class has passed Fedor by. Either way, they can spin it to cash in if they do it right.

Werdum beat Fedor, Dos Santos beat Werdum, Joaquim Ferreira beat Dos Santos. Therefore Ferreira is WAAAAY better than Fedor. Keep MMA math alive!

by crizzy on Feb 18, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

but what about M-1?

"How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?"

by DamnSevern on Feb 18, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, they’ll always be the elephant in the room whenever a promotion has to deal with Fedor, and they’re problematic. It’s better for SF in the long run to go, as Breen said, full-speed ahead with Overeem, or even Bigfoot or Werdum if they can spin it.

by Hardcase on Feb 18, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

When it comes to a Strikeforce PPV

I doubt it cracks 100,000 none of the participants are proven draws and the Strikeforce brand is extremly niche.

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by MattParker117 on Feb 18, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

Fedor losing

was the best thing that has happened to MMA this year. Strikeforce can finally go ahead and for once focus on putting on a quality show with fights that people actually want to see. The fight with Fedor made Silva look like a true champ who seems to be ready to take on and possibly defeat, any heavyweight in the world. And this will probably make the UFC put on even better fights.

I don’t see how the viewers lose out on anything.

by Konartist on Feb 18, 2011 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think it is quit as easy as handing M-1 their hat and opening the door. The old contract required Fedor to have his last fight on PPV. But that never happened. Did id that get rolled into the new contract or what exactly happened. Also it they do a PPV they will probably still stick Fedor vs Werdum/Overeem on it for some more appeal. That means stick with the existing deal or negotiate a new one where M-1 doesn’t get so much. No one wants to see them re-open negotiations.

Finally when the deal was signed they had talked about this being more than just Fedor. There were talking about doing cards that Fedor wouldn’t be on but some of the fighters from the Challenge would be. And if Fedor isn’t fighting for SF is Mousassi? It was hard to miss the fact that suddenly all his fights were over seas when the negotiations were on.

I pray they war gamed every thing ahead of time and have all the angles covered for this. If not then who knows what comes next. The good news though is that they can’t screw up the tournament and the M-1 can’t really shoot Strikeforce in the foot by running their mouths about stupid shit. They can only really hurt themselves.

by fitefan on Feb 18, 2011 5:41 PM EST reply actions  

Mousasi is no longer with M-1. They parted ways at the beginning of 2010.

by John Nash on Feb 18, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the story then. But 2 month later he said he was back with them and his GF Cindy Dandois said about 2 months ago that they are both with M1.

by fitefan on Feb 18, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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International fight promotion M-1 Global and premium U.S. cable channel Showtime have reached a deal to televise four U.S. events in 2011, MMA Fighting has learned.

The first event will take place on March 25 at the Constant Convocation Center in Norfolk, Va.

Wonder if this would be worth going to.

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by lowellthehammer on Feb 18, 2011 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

nope

it’s pleasure derived from the misfortune of others and that’s how I used it. unfortunately any schadenfreude strikeforce is enjoying at M-1’s expense comes at the cost of having no PPV to profit from.

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by Nate Wilcox on Feb 18, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

ah my bad.

I thought you meant we’d be happier in the end with SF having a headache with M-1 then without them.

by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Feb 18, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I really do hate that word.

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by James Brady on Feb 19, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems like a conflict of interest to have M1 global doing events on showtime.

by DirtyML on Feb 18, 2011 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

Speaking for myself, I think an Overeem/Barnett final would be a pretty nice entrance into ppv, provided a few things:

1. Barnett and Overeem get enough exposure (this shouldn’t be hard, they’re both marketable fighters, steroid problems notwithstanding)
2. The rest of the main card fights are anchored by Carano, Diaz, Walker, and/or Cyborg.
3. They abandon the “local boys” angle for the undercard. Unlike their Showtime slot, if fights end early, Strikeforce could pepper the broadcast with dark bouts. For this, regional hopefuls won’t do. Guys who’ve been headlining the challengers series would be far better choices.

I’d drop down 50 for that just the same as I drop 50 for a UFC card.

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by Rainer Lee on Feb 18, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know if I would trust Barnett with a PPV main event personally

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by hobbie on Feb 18, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that’s a fair point. In concept though, it’s something I would buy.

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by Rainer Lee on Feb 18, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Last Saturday's Quarterfinal

was better than many UFC’s of recent memory. Sometimes after a UFC, I feel like I got ripped off. If I would have paid $55 for the HD broadcast of SF’s GP Saturday night, I would have been fine with that (minus Gus Johnson).

by ScoreCardOTN on Feb 18, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

Really?

Last Strikeforce card felt like a TUF finally for me. Maybe a free Spike card. Yeah it had names but outside of Fedor it didn’t have much.

by Riney on Feb 18, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

TUF finales generally suck

It’s just a bunch of cheap fighters with limited futures in the UFC facing each other. This last Strikeforce card was, aside from the Fedor fight on CBS, the first time it felt “big” like the major UFC pay-per-views, and I think it lived up to the hype.

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by Anthony Pace on Feb 18, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I had just the

opposite view, maybe I expected too much from Strikeforce.

by Riney on Feb 18, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I would pay $45 to see Fedor lose every day of the week...

Not cuz I dont like him, hes a nice guy…but why would you not want everything to go wrong with his management/team…

Nick Diaz does not like wrestlers just like Rock doesnt like Paper!

by cardiackidz on Feb 19, 2011 4:49 AM EST up reply actions  

PPV quality?

Heavyweight Grand Prix quarterfinal bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Antonio Silva
Heavyweight Grand Prix quarterfinal bout: Andrei Arlovski vs. Sergei Kharitonov
Heavyweight Grand Prix reserve bout: Shane Del Rosario vs. Lavar Johnson
Heavyweight Grand Prix reserve bout: Chad Griggs vs. Gianpiero Villante
Heavyweight Grand Prix reserve bout: Valentijn Overeem vs. Ray Sefo

Fedor vs Bigfoot was a big time fight and Arlovski vs Kharitonov would be worthy of being on a main card for a ppv fight but those other three fights wouldn’t be out of place on a TUF finale card. People would be griping up a storm if the UFC actually asked fans to pay for Griggs vs Villante or the other Overeem vs Sefo. Heck people would probably gripe if those two fights were on a main card for a fight night on Spike.

by who me on Feb 18, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Just the overall quality of the fights-

Not 4 of 5 going to a boring decision. The fights were exciting, that’s all I was saying. It was just refreshing and different. I don’t know if SF could sell a $55 PPV, but maybe a $25-$35 PPV for a STACKED Finals Show.

by ScoreCardOTN on Feb 19, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The fights all ended very early except for Fedor’s but there wasn’t undercard fights to fill up the time. There was around 22 minutes of actual fighting for the entire main card and Fedor vs Bigfoot was 10 minutes of that, if I had paid PPV money for the card and only got 22 minutes of fighting I would of been a bit pissed off. Most of the Strikeforce card was entertaining it’s just that it wasn’t enough actual fighting to justify paying for it in my opinion, if Strikeforce goes to PPV they are going to have to do a real undercard with interesting fights they can use to fill out the time properly. Say they moved Griggs fight and Overeem’s fight to the undercard and added two other solid competitive fights in and then I also got to see the Griggs fight and maybe another undercard fight or two on the ppv due to the first round finishes, that might be worth $25 to $35 bucks. Now if they had all four of the first round fights and the Del Rosario vs Johnson fight as the main card then that would of definately been a killer $55 ppv.

I do agree that boring decisions are boring but I rather see a solid three round fight between two fairly evenly matched opponents instead of a quick KO or sub, just going to a decision isn’t what makes a fight boring. Hell Overeem vs Sefo only lasted a minute and a half but it wasn’t really worth much at all in terms of entertainment value. That’s one of the things I will miss about the WEC, even the decisions tended to be barn burners and the booking was pretty darn good.

by who me on Feb 19, 2011 2:44 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That’s one of the things I will miss about the WEC, even the decisions tended to be barn burners and the booking was pretty darn good.

Hells yeah. WEC events were way better than UFC or Strikeforce ones (with very few exceptions – as in, some UFC and Strikeforce events were great).

by marietto on Feb 19, 2011 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Just comparing the coverage in the week leading up to it and the overall hype behind the start of the tournament made it feel like a big event, but then again it’s coming from the perspective of a “hardcore” such as myself. And you know the Fedor vs Rogers card was stacked. This is only the second time more than just hardcores were getting legitimately excited for a SF card, not the novelty interest that Gina Carano/Herschel Walker bring. And while it’s certainly not a UFC (numbered event) quality card, and if the exact same matchups occurred in the UFC the rating would have been bigger, it’s still a milestone for Strikeforce.

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by Anthony Pace on Feb 19, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

PPV would be suicide at this point.

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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 18, 2011 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, they dont have the talent pool to put on fights that last long enough to fill the window.

SF is somewhat exciting because of all the mismatches that they produce.
This type of matchmaking is only a good strategy if you dont have a strong roster…they dont.
Their talent is scattered.

Nick Diaz does not like wrestlers just like Rock doesnt like Paper!

by cardiackidz on Feb 19, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Article about M1/Fedor...

cue M1/Fedor defense attorney Memitim.

by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 18, 2011 6:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

and his colleague...The Gentle way...

Nick Diaz does not like wrestlers just like Rock doesnt like Paper!

by cardiackidz on Feb 19, 2011 4:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, he is just a pro-elite BBJ guy (i.e. pro-Werdum and pro-Bigfoot, in the context of Fedor). Mint on the other hand…

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by The American Ronin on Feb 19, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see both sides here, but

I really think not having to deal with M-1 anymore is a substantial silver lining to Fedor losing. And with two losses in a row, Fedor is almost surely more trouble than he is worth at this point.

Unless he and his management suddenly become decidedly more easy to deal with, it will be easy for Coker to focus on building other stars. Namely Overeeem, but also Werdum and Silva, the guys who beat Fedor. Of course they still have Carano and Diaz.

 All in all, I think Strikeforce’s stock is on the rise despite the fall of Fedor.

by Anton Chigurh on Feb 18, 2011 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

It's a disgrace...

…that any fighters management team should have the stones to try and put promoters over the barrel. This is the same kind of thing that fighters unions would try to do. Who will look out for the promotions?

by Nacho Madness on Feb 18, 2011 9:06 PM EST reply actions  

I couldn’t agree more. Big Foot vs Overeem if it goes that way can be a huge card for them. But they need to be pushing the legend of Big Foot right now. Big Foot vs Werdum has the battle of the Brazilain titans angle going for it. But again they need to be pushing these guys.

by fitefan on Feb 19, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Is any body else as shocked as I am that it is not called the “Strike Force M-1 Global Heavyweight Grandprix”.

Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.

by Mr.Kib on Feb 19, 2011 7:01 AM EST reply actions  

It isn’t any more.

by fitefan on Feb 19, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

This deal doesn't make sense

How many guns were involved in the meeting?
Was there a psychic on site?

by Coeman on Feb 19, 2011 7:28 AM EST reply actions  

This move has been the motive from jump.

 M-1 Global have been working for this from the beginning. This is a doomsday scenerio. But, if Strikeforce were to go out of business, M-1 will already have a standing contract. Then Showtime could promote M-1 Global Exclusively on Showtime. Nice business move, but who is gonna really care? If Strikeforce does go out, most of it’s assets will sign with the UFC or others orgs. Leaving M-1 with not much to market.

If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?

by whardiek on Feb 19, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

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