Video: Jim Rome Burns On Fedor
by Nick Thomas on Feb 14, 2011 10:02 PM EST
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Print"No matter how good you are, you will lose. Everybody does, there are so many different disciplines and everybody gets caught at some point. But, that's not what happened to Fedor Emelianenko Saturday against Antonio Silva. After going a decade without losing, he follows up last summer’s loss to Fabricio Werdum by getting his face beaten in Saturday."[UPDATE] - Phil Baroni responds -
"And that's no fluke, that's not a guy getting suckered into a savvy submission hold or just getting caught with one big shot in the chin. That was a bigger, stronger, better fighter on top of Fedor pounding him senseless. Silva said that he was surprised that the doctors stopped the fight. Surprised or disappointed? Did you bother to check that piece of meat that you were bludgeoning between shots. Trust me, he had enough."
"Fedor admitted enough afterwards, quote - Maybe it's time to leave …Maybe it's the last time, maybe it's high time. No maybe's about it, if anything it's probably past time."
"Now it's pretty obvious why he didn't want to sign with the UFC. While Strikeforce does have competitive heavyweights, he didn't want to fight the best of the best on the biggest stage, he knew better. He refused to take any chances; he milked it for all its worth and he got paid and then exposed and now it's over."
Randy Couture's longest unbeaten streak? Four. Chuck Liddell? Ten. Anderson Silva? Fourteen. Those are three of the most decorated and respected fighters of all time and their longest combined unbeaten streak equals 28 fights, or one less than Fedor by himself.
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hey Strikeforce got a name drop on ESPN and not just MMA LIVe.....progress
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still.....
it sounds like he wanted to make his mancrush dana white happy
Jim Rome Trolls of Fedor
“Now it’s pretty obvious why he didn’t want to sign with the UFC. While Strikeforce does have competitive heavyweights, he didn’t want to fight the best of the best on the biggest stage, he knew better. He refused to take any chances; he milked it for all its worth and he got paid and then exposed and now it’s over.”
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 14, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
*correction
Video: Jim Rome Burns On Fedor
Video: Jim Rome Trolls on Fedor
Fixed!
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And it takes someone outside the mma community to finally come out and speak the truth
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by AfroSamurai on Feb 14, 2011 9:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Damn! He’s not pulling any punches there. I don’t agree at all that Fedor was looking for cupcake fights in Strikeforce, but they wanted the moon from the UFC, knowing that he had to be getting toward the end of his career. It happened faster than I expected, and it’s no blemish on his career, but I do kinda hope he’s at the end. Maybe a rematch with Werdum or something, but man I don’t know if I would want to see him fight Overeem. That could be a bloodbath.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Feb 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Afro
Rome says it like it is
Confucius says:
"Baseball is wrong; man with four balls cannot walk."
by RiverHorror on Feb 14, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he refused to “take any chances” how did he end up in the cage with two guys who beat him? There is a huge logic disconnect going on there.
by Jonathan Snowden on Feb 14, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
rome knows jack shit about mma
He’s worse than a tuf guy.
Bigfoot silva is twice the fighter lezner is.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 15, 2011 12:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
rome i fantastic
other than the fact that he is completely clueless and exposed his ignorance in this bias rambling … IDIOT GoSH
EZ Answer Mr. Snowden he Ducked Overeem in Strikeforce
Right when he signed the Strikeforce contract that was the fight that was supposed to happen. He barely beat Rogers and then after Rogers losses to Fedor he fights Overeem? It’s pretty obvious and there’s the logic.
by KillerInstinct on Feb 15, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's Always been more about Business than Fighting
Fedor’s what 20% owner? That is his long term retirement plan. His managers were trying to leverage ways to expand and get more exposure of their business by using Fedor’s Legacy.
He maxiumized this off his Pride wins in the post Pride era and made the best business decisons they could for M1-Global and not make the fights the fans wanted to see because it risked their business. I do not think Fedor is scared of any fighter and would not mind proving himself. It’s just business and his long term retirement plan.
But again, carefully picking Rogers and Werdum over Overeem after signing with Strikeforce totally goes with the logic of avoiding risky fights. I could see many reasons Fedor would of preferred a rematch with Werdum over a new fight with Silva that IMO would be risker. And even this Silva fight almost didn’t happen.
by KillerInstinct on Feb 15, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
If he refused to "take any chances" how did he end up in the cage with two guys who beat him? There is a huge logic disconnect going on there.
Do you really not see the fallacy of that statement? Honestly?
Just because the outcome of a certain fight was one way, does not negate the fact that the odds before the fight were the other way. At the bookies, Silva had a 1 in 5.5 chance of beating Fedor. Those are ridiculously bad odds in the world of MMA… or matchmaking in general. The fact that Silva beat Fedor anyway means one of two things:
1. Silva got lucky, even though the underdog.
2. Silva is indeed a better fighter than Fedor.
Neither of those two possibilities mean that Fedor wasn’t spoonfed an opponent expected to easily overcome. The bookies never lie – it is in their financial interest to have the most realistic odds.
And it takes someone outside the mma community to finally come out and speak the truth
^This…
It amazes me to see how gullible mma fans and the media are. Is it such a stretch that m1 – who’s entire livelihood depends on the perception that Fedor is the best – did everything they could to prolong that?
Why did Fedor fight Hong Man Choi instead of Randy? Why did Fedor fight Brett Rogers instead of Brock?
You can blame all that on Dana and Zuffa but then tell me why did Fedor fight werdum instead of overeem… the champion in the organization he just signed with?
are you going to blame that on Dana as well?
Is it just a weird coincidence that every fight he did take he also happened to be a way bigger favorite against?
This is nothing new. This happens in boxing all the time. It’s new in MMA because everyone has been spoiled by the UFC and cant fathom the act of a fighters management prolonging a perceived “era” for years by simply having control of who they fight and who they don’t fight.
fanboyism blinds.
by mmalogic on Feb 15, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Why did Fedor fight Hong Man Choi instead of Randy?
The people paying you minimum wage to post on this board had something to do with that, I think. They filed a lawsuit and all.
Why did Fedor fight Hong Man Choi instead of Randy? Why did Fedor fight Brett Rogers instead of Brock?
Was Brock even in the UFC when Fedor signed with Strikeforce? If he was with the UFC, what was his record, 1-0 or 1-1 at that point? Yeah, Fedor really needed to prove himself against someone with a record like that.
You’re like a broken record alogical. You got destroyed in your fanpost and you come here posting the same shallow talking points. Don’t you have anything original to add to the conversation?
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 15, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
And here I thought you learned your lesson yesterday.
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by Tim Burke on Feb 15, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Btw
He’s completely right. If fedor had come to the ufc and fought Brock with his tOp control after the Mir fight I think Fedor may have looked even worse if possible
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by AfroSamurai on Feb 14, 2011 9:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Because Fedor doesn't hit as hard as Cain at all.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
and fedors takedown defense and guard looked rock solid....
brock took cain down, remember?
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by milk72 on Feb 14, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Exactly what I was gonna say
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by AfroSamurai on Feb 14, 2011 10:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and the comment he was thinking about was written by me
and i dont mean to toot my own horn but im fucking awesome
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by milk72 on Feb 15, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously.
I hate when people pull some obscure reasoning out that makes no logical sense just because their hero got exposed.
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by zakkree on Feb 14, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don’t think fedor was the love him or hate him type, I think most people genuinely liked watching him fight.
Everyone liked Fedor.
No one likes post-pride Fedor fans except post-pride Fedor fans.
by Roa on Feb 15, 2011 6:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
4-2 < 32-2
Fedor Is a warrior ,brock is a hype job.
That’s the only time their names should be in the same sentence.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 15, 2011 12:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Or when saying “Brock would beat Fedor in an MMA match.”
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 15, 2011 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i know you have no idea what you are looking in a ground fight.
But there is a difference between getting passed by a long time black belt with legit skill and brock lesnar.
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by the-gentle-way on Feb 16, 2011 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brock’s top control…..just like his mythical speed…….is completey overrated. Yes…..he maintained top position on Mir, but Mir wasnt even looking to escape…..god knows why. And Carwin was running on empty when Brock had him on his back.
I look back to Randy and remember how easily he was able to get to his feet from under Brock. I think Fedor would be able to do the same as I havent seen Brock able to keep someone down who has energy and is really trying to escape.
Unless Brock wanted to LnP, then maybe he could keep Fedor down……but fortunately Brock doesnt resort to LnP.
by GeeDub on Feb 15, 2011 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh please
Like Rome even knew who Fedor was until last week.
by zY on Feb 14, 2011 9:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
As practically the only mainstream sports outlet...
To give MMA consistent coverage, that’s extremely disrespectful.
He’s not a PRIDENEVERDIE old school MMA fan, but his interviews with fighters and Dana White and various other hype he’s done is good for the sport.
by Jacob Hayes on Feb 14, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate that he gives MMA mainstream exposure, but it is not good for the sport when he makes ignorant statements about it that are heard by millions of people. It’s not disrespectful to wonder if he has any idea what he is talking about. Rome is entertaining, but he’s not an MMA expert or anyone’s idea of a deep thinker.
No, it’s his idiotic, baseless comments about Fedor that’s extremely disrespectful. It reads like a mashup of Wikipedia and Dana White’s Twitter feed.
by zY on Feb 14, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yea nothing like giving his opinion on his own show…GRRRR
by MemphisMike on Feb 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Baseless?
Did Fedor sign with the UFC? No.
Did Fedor get beaten down by Sila? Yes.
Was Silva the better fighter? Definitely.
Did Fedor admit it might be time to retire? For sure.
I think it’s pretty straightforward. If Fedor wanted to fight in the UFC, he would have insisted on it. Instead, he didn’t.
by pud333 on Feb 14, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
It's silly. He doesn{t know why Fedor didn't sign with Zuffa...
because nobody knows.
He could’ve said how Silva was better in every aspect or whatever. His needless ball-licking to Zuffa is painful to watch.
by Unabomberman on Feb 14, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're doing the same thing on the opposite side of the spectrum.
Hopefully you’re not in a room full of mirrors, or things could get complicated.
GreenHouse
by Loot on Feb 15, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Idiotic and baseless"
Would be saying he didn’t know who Fedor was last week.
You can say Rome’s statements about Fedor are opinionated, and even spin would be acceptable, but to act like he doesn’t even know who Fedor is? Disrespectful.
I think it’s time for Fedor to hang it up, mainly because there aren’t any money fights left for him really. He’s lost to two of the better heavyweights Strikeforce has, and the only fight that really interests me at this point would be Fedor vs Couture and there is no way that fight happens, and perhaps Fedor vs Big Country which would be highly amusing.
To say he went to Strikeforce because of it’s lower quality of opposition isn’t something that can be verified, but the part that can be verified is Strikeforce was definitely the lower level of competition option at the time. I personally think it has more to do with M1 and their desire to have complete control over everything ever and the UFC balking at that from the word go. However, it’s hard to imagine a world that Fedor could realistically have a better chance against Cain/Brock/Carwin/ than the two guys that DID beat him in Strikeforce. I’m not even saying he doesn’t have a shot, I’m saying I can’t give him a better shot.
At the end of the day even if he didn’t go to Strikeforce for the lesser competition, it’s still a part of the story.
I wish some Mexican would call the Jim Rome Show
and give his opinion on Fedor. I’ve never heard it.
by ScoreCardOTN on Feb 14, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Why some Mexican? I'm a Mexican, but what does that have to do with it?
But what the hell: I, as some Mexican, hereby declare Fedor a nice guy! It’s silly to see Jim Rome doing his best impersonation of a Fox News anchor try so hard at basing him.
by Unabomberman on Feb 14, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
He was referring to Chael Sonnen’s appearance on Rome, having his own voice played back for him and saying “that’s not me, that’s a Hispanic guy”.
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Oh...well...that wasn't me, then.
I’ve never called the Jim Rome show from a cellphone lent to me by a hooker to pretend I was Chael Sonnen.
by Unabomberman on Feb 14, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
No one cares about Jim Rome
Rome didn’t know who fedor was until he lost. Jim Rome needs attention because everyone stopped caring what he said years ago. He is just going to diss everything and everyone until people watch his show. he sucks haha
I like how MMA fans will piss on Rome who is giving mainstream coverage to MMA. Whether Rome knew about Fedor before or after doesn’t matter. He’s talking about MMA. That’s a good thing.
by pud333 on Feb 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes it's a great thing
But what would he say about Anderson if Chael didn’t get submitted? MMA is mainstream now and it grows everyday. MMA doesn’t need Jim Rome. No one needs Jim Rome
I beg to differ.
MMA needs as much exposure on the major networks. I don’t believe MMA is quite mainstream yet. Even in Canada, MMA doesn’t get much exposure on the major sports networks, and Canadians are bat shit crazy about MMA.
by pud333 on Feb 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MMA fans are some of the biggest crybabies you'll find anywhere.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 14, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
disrespecting fedor = disrepecting mma?
It sucks that fedor lost and now everyone is spouting their own take on fedors career.
But if mma fans can’t even realize that fighters\the sport being brought up on a regular sports program is a good thing.
Then I don’t know what to say. Remember fedor however you want, as long as everyone is talking about it and giving the reverence it deserves that isn’t such a bad thing imo.
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by The Blackula on Feb 14, 2011 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jim Rome is one of the worst 'sports reporters' you'll find anywhere
lost all respect for the troll when he disrespected & baited Jim Everett into capsizing his dumb ass…he’s all talk & no action.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
Correct, Jim
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by Jonnycaz2.0 on Feb 14, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Trying to score brownie points with Uncle Dana.
by MMAussie on Feb 14, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
CALL ME CHRIS AGAIN!!!!
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sheer terror...the look on rome's face
that clip stopped short of showing the terror on rome’s face after everett turned the table over and towered over him…rome was very scared and it was incredibly funny.
rome’s a d’bag of the highest order.
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by capt1911 on Feb 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very scared?
I believe Everette pretty much said I dare you to day that again and Romd stepped up. That’s nor scared in my book.
by Bloodsport on Feb 15, 2011 9:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
there was more
the tape stops short of showing the fear after everett turned the table over.
Mozambique Drill
Stepped up figuring the guy wouldnt do anything. A lot of people are like that what can they do at that point they are on the spot.
He should grow a pair and not act like a douchebag saying things behind peoples back. Thats not stepping up thats some highschool girl shit.
by Papercut Elbow on Feb 15, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
He awkwardly grasps like a man possesed!
This foo needs to keep Fedors name out his mouf.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
If anything
this .gif should earn people’s respect for Rome. Van Smack didn’t quite down just because a bigger guy told him too. He put his money where his mouth was and called Everett out.
Would it be better if he just pussed out and quit talking when Everett told him to? Of course not.
And we all know Rome’s shtick is to talk a little smack, so lets not pretend that a more PC version of Rome would ever even have a chance to talk MMA 2 or 3 times a week on an important, long running, stable ESPN show.
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this .gif should earn people’s respect for Rome. Van Smack didn’t quite down just because a bigger guy told him too. He put his money where his mouth was and called Everett out.
Uhhh…I think the more likely reasons why Rome continued to belittle Everett are the following: 1) He figured that the likelihood fo someone assaulting him in the middle of a televized interview was kinda low. 2) If any altercation ever did occur, it would likely be broken up quickly by the production team. Finally, 3) if the unthinkable happened and he got his butt whooped, he could sue for a lot of money.
In sum, if Rome called out Everett in a private area with no witnesses, then I’d give him some props. But Rome came across like the guy that waits until everybody’s held back to start talking shit.
by JTrain007 on Feb 15, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Man Dana White
Looks an awful lot like Jim Rome today
Rome is an idiot. It’s like he read Dana’s Twitter feed on Saturday night and asked his writers to compile a piece on Fedor. He wouldn’t know a Fedor from a Fedora.
A Fedor who gives a shit can beat anyone in HW MMA. The problem with Fedor is, I believe, he doesn’t care anymore. The loss to Werdum was the end for him mentally. I didn’t believe it till I heard him talking this past week and finally saw a relatively apathetic fighter enter the cage Saturday. I have never seen him look that bad technically and just swinging for the KO with no set up. But, please Jim, shut the hell up.
What did he say that was so out of line? Is it such a radically dumb opinion to say Fedor took an easier path than the UFC? You can disagree with the last sentence, but its a perfectly legitimate argument. Everything else he said is exactly right
The point is what does he know about Fedor? About his career. I have seen him talk plenty to and about UFC fighters but the tripe at the end was carbon copy from Dana and is so myopic.
What do you know about what Jim Rome knows? He isn’t hosting a show meant to appeal to only MMA hardcore fans, therefore he reacts on his show like a casual fan would.
by MemphisMike on Feb 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
The dude hosts a nationally syndicated radio show and a daily tv show on ESPN…it doesn’t take a genius to realize that his schtick sells. He says plenty of stupid things but this isn’t one of them. You can disagree with it, but its certainly not a defenseless or wildly off the wall claim to make. Just because he said something negative about the annointed one doesn’t mean he’s ill informed
by MemphisMike on Feb 14, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oh stop with the anointed one nonsense. I’m not the first sports fan to not like Rome’s schtick. Rush’s schtick sells and if he said Fedor was great I would still think he is a dick. It has nothing to do with Fedor, it has to do with Rome saying something controversial (that could literally be taken word for word from Dana White’s mouth) without any back story or understanding of what actually happened back then..
What a stupid, ignorant thing to say.
by sadface on Feb 14, 2011 11:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You
But hey it’s not like you’re not known to zealously defend all thing Fedor, oh wait…
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So tell me what I said that should be deemed “stupid and ignorant” and read my last two fan posts and tell me how “zealously” I have been defending Fedor.
They can’t
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by The Lethal Haze on Feb 15, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
We can dissect your slant, especially when saying “anointed one”. Rome is usually a misinformed jackass, and his “view” of Fedor’s career is asinine at best.
by Stroma on Feb 15, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Bingo.
Especially when Strikeforce had a world ADCC champion, an undefeated brawler, a 6’ 4" inch 365 pound BJJ black belt, and a monster like Alistair. “Ducking” is an uninformed opinion. At the time the challenger in UFC was an inexperienced former pro-wrestler who had a decent but not impeccable record. Guys like Cain, Shane, and JDS weren’t even blips on the radar screen yet.
LOL
“fedor doesn’t care”. If that’s the reason you think Fedor lost then fine, whateve rhelps you sleep at night.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Do you honestly think Fedor looked motivated, had a game plan, and had his heart in that fight? The whole week he was talking about retiring. If you think so fine, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Note to future self: Don’t enter HW tournament when one would rather retire.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Note to future self: WavvyCrockett makes a habit of putting words into other posters mouths while offering little to no counter point.
that’s DRWavvyCrockett to you, my friend.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
wot u doctor of?
waves or crocks?
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
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if he doesn’t care, why do you care so much?
That is not a valid excuse, once you step into the cage, you are judged on what happens in the cage, period.
Precisely. All this nonsense about Silva just being bigger, Fedor not being motivated, yada yada should go out the window. He got smashed. A.Silva talks retirement but I doubt people will be as sympathetic when if he gets destroyed.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and if you read my other posts I said he should retire if he is not going to put the effort in. It’s not an excuse, it’s an indictment.
no argument here then. he should have listened to you.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
apparently we all should, lol.
Excuses, anger, sadness… it’s all a cycle. I’m sure fans will get a hold on their feelings sooner or later.
GreenHouse
Jim Rome, you know absolutely nothing about MMA.
Where was this commentary for Brock Lesnar post Cain!? Its quite obvious ESPN is in bed with the UFC (at least Jim Rome). I’m sorry the beating Brock Lesnar took is far far more embarrassing than the one Fedor took, he essentially tapped due to strikes. GTFO.
what's josh gross saying?
i thought he was over at ESPN now?
Mozambique Drill
josh gross...no?
wasn’t he one of the sherdog guys that went to SI and now he’s with ESPN? I was curious what he was saying – and curious to see if he agreed with Rome. I seem to recall that Josh was a bit critical of Dana at times.
Mozambique Drill
Rome has burned on Lesnar a couple times. Google is your friend.
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not at this level, he basically discredited Fedor entirely.
Not to mention he’s had Lesnar on his program.
We want mainstream coverage! We want mainstream coverage!
Never mind.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 14, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
The coverage can still be pants
I think that it’s pretty obvious that, if we want mainstream coverage, it should actually be balanced and fair. Criticising people for pointing out the flaws in the coverage, simply because there is some coverage, is silly.
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by Drunken cutman on Feb 15, 2011 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
Judging by this thread
There’s still a lot going through some kind of grieving process.
by KJ Gould on Feb 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions 21 recs
yea pretty much
i got it all out when he got tapped, but a few tears may have been shed on saturday night
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"Você ta fudido. Se vai levar muita porrada, ta ligado?" - Anderson Silva
Right
Clearly everyone is a butthurt fan, and not just annoyed by ignorant nonsense.
by zY on Feb 14, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I don’t know why Jim Rome gets so much hate. Unlike a lot of other blowhards in similar positions in media (Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, etc.), Rome usually does a good job of backing up his opinions with sound logic. I think he’s a touch of base at the end about Fedor ducking the UFC, but everything he said in the first half of that is pretty dead on.
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Yeah, but that’s kind of like saying everything Kruschev said was ok till he said “We will bury you”. The point is made in the last few sentences of just about any commentary or speech.
Even if you disagree with him, it’s not some absurd point that’s never been made before.
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
True. But when it is almost Dana’s word verbatim and Rome has spent barely any time talking about Fedor ever it comes off as pandering to the UFC and Dana’s POV and not a well thought out point. Does he even know who he has fought since he left Pride? Does he even know about SF’s other HW’s? But, he speaks with authority when he says this:
While Strikeforce does have competitive heavyweights, he didn’t want to fight the best of the best on the biggest stage, he knew better.That’s my issue. There is a legit ebate today about who has the stronger HW division, especially at the top. Apparently Rome hasn’t been brought up to speed about this debate.
by memitim on Feb 14, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or perhaps he feels, as plenty of other MMA fans and pundits do, that the UFC has the stronger heavyweight division.
Again, I don’t even agree with Rome on the point, but it’s way off base to discredit him because you feel like he’s pandering to the UFC.
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
He didn’t need to say a word about Fedor for me to discredit him. I have always thought he was jerk that knew less about sports than most of his contemporaries and just used a personality to get by. This is just another example.
Who do you respect as a sports commentator? And please show us where they criticized Fedor… If those two things are simultaneously possible.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
What does that have to do with anything? Just because Rome gave Fedor a mention I should overlook all of his other obnoxious bantering and down right ignorance on other sports?
sidestep question dosie dough…
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I ask because you say Rome knows nothings and disrespects fedor etc…
I wanted to know if it’s possible that anyone can criticize him (colorfully) and still be credible…
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
What does one have to do with the other. I dislike Jim Rome. Whether he talks about Fedor or not I will still dislike him. Understand now?
yes I understand. No one talk about Fedor, unless it’s a glowing, OMG he did so much for the sport and even when he loses it’s because of XYZ… thanks for the clarification.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Did Rome run over your dog?
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by Richard Wade on Feb 14, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're mistaking Rome for this guy
GreenHouse
by Loot on Feb 15, 2011 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Nice.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 15, 2011 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
UFC having a stronger HW division is debatable. He was able to fight the #2 and #3 ranked Heavy Weights outside of the UFC banner. He was able to support an entire company he was invested in. People need to stop with the Fedor ducking the UFC argument because it’s old and unfounded.
And what was wrong with that? Did the fans not want to see him fight Timmy, AA, Barnett (not his fault Barnett pissed hot)? I swear the revisionist history within the MMA community is astounding. He “ducked” a fighter highly suspected of roiding, he didn’t want to tank his company for the lure of fighting guys like Shane Carwin, Frank Mir and Brock. I’m sorry but I cant blame him for that.
What I really dislike about the idea that Fedor was ducking the UFC is that it is also derogatory towards the guys he did fight. As if none of the guys he’s fought since 2008 could cut it. In case people haven’t noticed Bigfoot Silva is a monster who also possesses a black belt in BJJ, Judo, and Shotokon Karate, as well as being a serious student of boxing and muay thai. God forbid anyone look past his appearance and give him credit as being a really good fighter.
by John Nash on Feb 14, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jim Rome's a blowhard, he doesn't know anything about MMA, and he has no original commentary to add to the Fedor discussion. That's why people don't like him.
by Krumpenstein on Feb 14, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
“Jim Rome’s a blowhard, he doesn’t know anything about MMA”
Clearly he knows something if he’s found it worthy of discussion on his show multiple times.
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Wow, so now reading a teleprompter classifies you as an expert?
by Krumpenstein on Feb 14, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, so baseless conjecture is how you want to converse with me?
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The tone Rome takes in his commentary is profoundly disrespectful. Saying Silva caved in the side of his Fedor’s head, and then referring to Fedor as a “piece of meat” is very distasteful to me. I consider it fighter bashing and it shouldn’t make the front page just because the guy who is saying it is famous. Rome didn’t provide any exceptional insight into the fight.
by Krumpenstein on Feb 14, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
“Saying Silva caved in the side of his Fedor’s head, and then referring to Fedor as a "piece of meat" is very distasteful to me.”
To me this reads as such: I hate colorful and descriptive language.
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Apparently the UFC doesn’t like colorful or descriptive language either. You’ll notice that in the TUF reality show in tie breaker rounds they refer to them as “sudden victory” instead of “sudden death”. Fighters should be treated with more respect than a guy that throws a ball through a hoop because of the possibility of injury or death. Fedor is risking his well being for your entertainment. You shouldn’t goof on the guy when he gets his ass kicked.
by Krumpenstein on Feb 14, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
No one’s ever been seriously injured throwing a ball through a hoop. Just MMA…those athletes are above criticism
by MemphisMike on Feb 14, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I totally foresaw this. You know in your heart you’re being ridiculous.
by Krumpenstein on Feb 14, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
You’re the one who is getting their panties in a bunch about Rome’s description of the fight. I think its a lot more rediculous to act like the “leave britney alone” guy when someone says a guy got his face caved in. If he said Fedor was a punk ass bitch that’s one thing…but all he did was describe what happened
by MemphisMike on Feb 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Say whatever you want about Fedor. Personally, I just would prefer to see the Gracie breakdown on the front page over some blowhard.
by Krumpenstein on Feb 14, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Try googling some serious injuries in non-MMA professional sports before talking about the subject.
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I’m aware there are injuries and deaths in other sports.
by Krumpenstein on Feb 14, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
“Fighters should be treated with more respect than a guy that throws a ball through a hoop because of the possibility of injury or death.”
There’s a huge gap between disrespect and criticism.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
Not when you are talking about our lord and savior fedor
by Phildo on Feb 14, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He's got you there, Mike.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 14, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Get over it, dude.
They are athletes and can be subjected to the same comments and criticisms as any other professional athletes in any sport.
And it’s not baseless conjecture to say that Rome reads a teleprompter and that he isn’t an expert. He does read a teleprompter—it’s an industry standard, and he is absolutely not an expert in any sense of the word. So, no that was not conjecture.
by Krumpenstein on Feb 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, he’s saying there’s no connection between reading a teleprompter and a person’s knowledge of anything in particular.
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Since when did teleprompters become such an awful thing anyways?
It’s way nicer than reading notecards or having a total brain fart and forgetting everything!
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like I should be posting this a lot more. It will be Okay
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I could see this one bein pretty funny as some ongoing hatering
Conducting an experiment on knocking people out in particular ways would be unethical.
A lot of MMA fans are too sensitive. I don’t agree with Rome all the time, but I appreciate that he’s talking about MMA.
by pud333 on Feb 14, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The new O'Reily factor?
I didn’t know Jim Rome had become Bill Oreily, spinning stories whatever way he wants.
Fedor didn’t want to sign with the UFC because they wouldn’t let him co-promote M-1.
Wow.. Fedor nuthuggers, upset a bit?
One thing I don’t understand is the notion that Fedor did SO MUCH for the sport of MMA. I realize that he is an important fighter in the history of MMA, but he didn’t really do much of anything to help MMA receive the kind of exposure it has today.
Fedor was in it for himself and m-1 who as much into it for themselves as Zuffa is (they ain’t sponsoring pop warner amateur mma anywhere are they?). As much as we may all dislike m-1 a real breakout opportunity in Russia may have been past by with Fedor’s lost. I know for fact there was a lot more interest in this fight and it was getting a lot more exposure than his previous in his home country. As much as m-1 may suck for us American fans they’re good for trying to expand the sport into Russia, a place with serious talent potential.
by John Nash on Feb 14, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I need to start a Fedor Anonymous help group.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:05 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I would love to see their faces when they expect to get helped and you just make them watch him tap on a loop for hours.
and I would have a good old fashioned sweater burning!
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
It sure is a good thing Jim knows soooo much about MMA. Has he even talked about MMA before trying to trash Fedor?
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Yep
plenty of times
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I stand corrected. The times I have watched the show I never saw anything about MMA so I stopped watching. Guess thats why I didnt see it.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
If this is a sign that he will replace Goldberg, I can forgive him.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
I don't know if I could handle Rogan AND Rome going completely bonkers at the same time.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I guess its just the Rome WWE announcer fanboy in me talking here. I am also pretty skeptic of Rome’s knowledge of the sport.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
That would mean he would still be more knowledgable than Goldberg.
by John Nash on Feb 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
and boom goes the dynamite.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Just wanted to say…the sig made me laugh again now when I saw it. Scott must hate you!
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well
He has nobody to blame but himself. I would have never said that sentence in a public forum.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
But if we are going to replace Goldberg, might as well sign somebody who can hang with Rogan.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
you beat me to it
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
One of these guys is probably available
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor ducked the UFC, and that's a fact
Get over it people.
No, Fedor could have fought the biggest fights on the biggest stage, and he passed it up
That’s just what happened.
No. Fedor had two offers in front of him and he made a choice which was better for him. Everything else is opinion. Plain and simple.
When the choice is between an epic superfight vs Brock Lesnar or fighting Brett Rogers, and you choose Rogers, that’s the very definition of ducking.
Yeah, because it just came down to one or the other. Dude, there’s a little more to it than that, and you don’t know anything about the negotiations. You’re presenting no facts here. So stop.
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How are those not facts? The UFC was offering an instant title shot against then champion Brock Lesnar.
1st off, Fedor was signed to M-1 and was not a free agent. 2nd, at one point M-1 did accept a fight with the UFC, a single one-time fight and that was turned down by Zuffa. Who’s is to blame with those negotiations?
As I said, M-1 pretended to negotiate more than anything. They made unreasonable demands that they knew were unreasonable, and then blamed the UFC for not accepting.
What’s unreasonable? They offered to sign a contract for one fight against the winner of Mir-Brock in the UFC and the UFC turned them down because it wasn’t longer and didn’t include a Champions clause. We could of had that super fight but Zuffa didn’t want to risk Fedor winning.
Its very unreasonable to expect a company to give you a crack at top position and then allow you to fuck off back to now where with their top prize.
Its not risking Fedor winning, its risking their belt being in limbo because a crew of russian crooks are holding is hostage in order to dig more money out of your company
Wait a minute. Who says it was for the belt? I doubt it would be for the belt since it would have been a one-shot fight with no champions’ clause.
So what you’re saying is that it’s 100% Fedor’s fault for not only being willing to put his 10-year reign on the line and fight anyone in the UFC but it is also his fault because he was so cowardly he wouldn’t allow himself to get trapped in a contract he didn’t like?
the words “instant title shot” made me think it was for the belt. i never said fedor was a coward at all, if you read it that way then thats your problem.
it is a stupid decision for the ufc for the same reason it was stupid for dream. Right now there are two champions in dream who have been destroyed else where. The only title that actually means anything is the HW title and thats only because reem wears it.
For m1 to expect the ufc to put their champion up for a one shot fight was foolish and unreasonable. There is not enough reward for beating fedor to do that. at the time (probably still to this day) not enough people know/care who Fedor is and by putting him in there with Brock, win or lose M1 comes out winning.
if fedor loses, but makes it a good fight (rocks Brock, takes him down etc) people seen what they expected but they have intrest in this russian guy who just comes in and almost finishes the ufc champ. If he wins well that obvious.
I 100% agree that it would be stupid of the UFC to risk that much on a single fight. Just as it may have seemed stupid to m1 to lock Fedor in with the UFC and not gain anything for their promotion. The point I was trying to make was that it’s silly to say that Fedor absolutely ran away from the UFC because m-1 apparently made that offer in all seriousness. It didn’t happen because Fedor or the UFC were scared it didn’t happen because it didn’t make sense for either party.
Not enough people care about Fedor? You cant be serious. Did you see the media attention and draw that Strikeforce was able to get marketing Fedor for this card? Fedor is an international superstar. The numbers the last time Fedor was on CBS were staggering.
i am dead serious. Kimbo drew well on cbs as well but by looking at the numbers for the ufc 113 event he did not do much for PPV buys. Kimbo and Fedor are not the same as each other on a talent level but the same in ppv drawing power.
Fedor does not draw many people to pay for him, there were quite a few people who watched the free fights because they were curious and never had to invest any thing in them,
On free tv sure, put GSP on free tv and see what happens. What i am saying is that getting people to watch a guy fight for free on CBS is one thing but try to get them to fork over 50 bucks to see him is different.
Guys like lesnar, GSP, Liddell, etc can get tons of people to pay 50 bucks to see them while Fedor cannot.
Do you know the EXACT details of what went on? If not then this is an opinion. I know you don’t know exactly what went on so it is in fact your opinion.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Yeah, because Brock proved to be such a world beater. There are plenty of people who don’t sign with the UFC for many different reasons and most of the time none of them include “ducking”. It’s such an old, pointless debate.
That’s what I said in my other post. Given what we’ve seen from Brock, that was a very winnable fight for Fedor, and would have done sooo many things for his career and status as a legend.
Instead….well we all saw what happened in his last three fights.
Yes, but don’t you understand that there is more to it than a super fight against Brock or being a part of the UFC. M-1 has a TV deal now in the US. That is huge for an international company. It will give many of Fedor’s countrymen the opportunity to fight on a bigger stage. It’s more than “Fedor ducked Brock”. That’s like looking at the US from a plane flying over Kansas and saying “America is flat”.
Dang, I want to concede just because that last line was pretty funny.
However, I will say that the point I’m making is that the offers were soooo lopsided that the fact that they chose Strikeforce over the UFC means they were never considering the UFC in the first place.
He would have gained more financially and for his reputation in one fiight (and win) vs Brock than in his next 10 fights in any other promotion.
It doesn’t seem as if Fedor could choose the UFC if he wanted to because Sergei Matvienko – the money behind m-1 – was adamant about co-promotion. And why does this matter? Because he paid Fedor $10 million and gave him 20% of the company when he signed him in 2007 to turn m-1 into a major promotion. The man was looking for a return on his investment.
Come on
Admit M1 must have been humoring us at time though…Sambo tournaments?
I’s consider myself a relativist, and so IF I were Fedor and didn’t want to really fight anymore I’d take Rogers, Werdum, and Silva over Cain, Brock, Carwin etc. anyday. Plus the UFC would force me to fight more than once a year. Sounds like a no-brainer.
Not saying that was it, but you could make the justification is all.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Cain and Carwin were blips on the radar screen back then. Read this thread. There is a ton more that went into the decision to partner with Strikeforce than “ducking”.
When did I use the term ducking?
If Cain and Carwin were blips, WTF were Rogers, the MIA Overeem and recently KO’d Werdum?
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Do you understand that it was more about building a company than having a fight against Brock Lesnar?
M1 is not a company. It’s one great but aging fighter, and a conglomerate of leeches who understood that said fighter’s unblemished record is all they could make money on. IMO.
Then again, we’ll see how those Showtime M1 shows turn out. Hopefully better than the free CBS show they missed for some reason or another…
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Uhmm, no. M-1 is real company with real fights and fighters all over the world and with a US TV deal. You may not like them but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a real company. I don’t like WalMart but that doesn’t mean they don’t sell shit.
Walmart is not equal to M1. Sorry. Sure they’re both LLC’s, so my argument isn’t over scope but rather legitimacy and long term sustainability.
This remains to be seen with M1, but certainly it’s the house that Fedor built. If Walmart only had one item that consistently sold, I’d understand.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
It’s an analogy on liking the company, not the size of the company. M-1 is legit. They have a world wide tournament they run that is producing some of the top prospects coming out of Eastern Europe. You may not like them but that does not make them a non-entity. They are doing quite well. Do you realize this?
Great. And two UFC shows top all 40. What does this have to do with SF?
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Way to change the subject. You said M-1 is not a company, based around one fighter. If you can’t even figure out how fundamentally wrong you are about that, the rest of your point is kinda defeated.
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That was hyperbole since not many care about M1 fights, they care about Fedor. Obviously M1 is a company…
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Who’s talking about Strikeforce
M1 is not a companyYou apparently are not aware that M1 runs a series of Selection and Challenge cards all across the wolrd, mostly in Europe and the former Soviet Union. This is what they have been trying to build up with Fedor with this unsavory co-promotion they’re always demanding.
Everyone knows M1 is a company. A company with hardly any US presence, and without Fedor it will wane further.
If people can’t understand sarcasm then fine. Let’s only talk absolutes. M1 so far has failed to generate any interest in the US for their other shows.
Sidenote:
I doubt anyone would be saying right now “damn I wish Fedor signed with Strikefore!”
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Saying M-1 failed to generate any interest in the US is like saying Gordon Ramsay failed to gain interest in the US before Hell’s Kitchen. Doesn’t mean he was already a big star in other parts of the world. They haven’t been exposed to the US market yet.
3 years, two renegotiations, two losses for their biggest star and they just got a deal.
It won’t be easy.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
We’ll see. But, watch one of their shows. They have some pretty good fighters and now they have a venue to give them exposure. Something the UFC was not willing to give them.
I’ve seen some of them. Just not incredible talent. they aren’t great at branding or marketing to US fans, as a matter of fact most fans hate M1 so much here I don’t see how they plan to all of a sudden make us want to support them.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fight with Lesnar and subsequent PPV’s would have made more, and done more for his legacy/company win or lose, then 3 years, 3 fights with unmarketable fighters that resulted in two L’s.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
First, once again, your opinion. Second, Antonio Silva and Fabricio Werdum are unmarketable? That’s interesting.
Wait I forgot an argument in invalid because it’s got an opinion. Better burn Plato’s dialogues. Your opinion is no more valid, and you aren’t simply stating facts either… so what’s your point?
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
I started this particular thread by stating a simple fact. Fedor and M-1 had two offers on the table in front of them and the chose one. Everything else is an opinion. Get into the context of the conversation.
SO what should a reply to your statement be?
Yes
Agree
Yes
True
Doesn’t make for much of a thread now does it? Or is that my opinion again?
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
My opinion is that M-1 and Fedor took the deal that was best for them as a company and individual. It had nothing to do with ducking an inexperienced former professional wrestler. I don’t know if they would be better off today if they went with the UFC, no one does. It’s all conjecture. But like the guy who started this thread, it certainly isn’t fact that Fedor ducked the UFC. That is a silly, pointless argument.
WHEN did I say he was ducking? You said earlier I was putting words in your mouth… but you keep bringing up ducking. Clearly you’re hypersensitive to this notion, but I ask why?
I said I can understand either way, but me personally – if I want the prospect of less competition, Im signing with SF hands down.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the first line of this thread and see where the ducking part came in. Once again, get into the context of the conversation.
You claim the signing was “about building a company”…
that is an opinion… Like the opinion that it was more about ducking.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
No, I said that M-1 and Fedor had two offers in front of them and they chose one. The one that gave them co-promotion. That is the only fact we know, along with what noththeface posted. Everything else is opinion.
Do you understand that it was more about building a company than having a fight against Brock Lesnar?
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Could be just the opposite. All speculation. If it was about building a company — in the US — then mission failed for 3 years and counting. And no — screaming “make the sign bigger” at SF doesn’t count as building a company. The Showtime deal is a start, but it might be too little too late. CBS was supposed to do another SF show and they’ve backed off. Wouldn’t be surprised if Showtime put on those shows “with all reasonable speed”.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Please read my post again. I said the chose the company that gave them co-promotion and I pointed out nottheface’s comment as the facts we know. I’ll save you the scrolling:
It doesn’t seem as if Fedor could choose the UFC if he wanted to because Sergei Matvienko – the money behind m-1 – was adamant about co-promotion. And why does this matter? Because he paid Fedor $10 million and gave him 20% of the company when he signed him in 2007 to turn m-1 into a major promotion. The man was looking for a return on his investment.
Once again, M1 has no US presence. It’s barely there. If this was a business move it was idiotic because he would have earned more fans and exposure IMO signing with the UFC and then leaving with more name recognition to carry back to M1. There’s no ROI when you skip a show on network television.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 15, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Also...
Why do you believe quotes from M1 in articles but not Dana when he says M1 wanted a stadium and other ridiculous demands. M1 sources could be just as false.
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 15, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Once again, M1hashad no US presence.
Now they have a TV deal. Something the UFC was not offering. Eventually Fedor would retire M-1 needed to do what they could to make in roads in to the US market. They have done that. Now, we’ll see what happens. That’s all for me, I think this horse is dead.
I’ll see you in M1’s imagined future!
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 15, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
M1 is a company. Wow I said that to be sarcastic and it turned out to be just the opposite, what a coincidence. If only there was a word for that… I shall call it sarcasm!
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 14, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
physician..?
…heal thyself…
ur mouth’s running off again
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
Nice analogy!
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by RearNakedChoker on Feb 14, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
MMA fans are funny. On one hand, they get pissed when major sports media guys ignore MMA. On the other, if they say anything bad about anyone, they say “he doesn’t know anything about MMA” or “shut up”. You can’t have your ice cream and eat it too, people.
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by Tim Burke on Feb 14, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions 13 recs
Shut up with your logic and coherent thought.
FEDOR LOST!!!! AGAYNE!!!!!!! BLARGHBLARFBLAHBLAHBRIJHGRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This.
MMA fans are thin-skinned animals. God forbid anyone say a negative thing about any fighter.
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Or positive about a fighter they don’t like.
by John Nash on Feb 14, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Right
I don’t agree with everything Rome says here, but every word of it is defensible. You’re not going to get that level of MMA breakdown from any other mainstream sports personality.
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by Dave Strummer on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
For me, this is more about Rome than what he said. The guy is constantly talking out of his ass. I can’t wait to see how long it takes for him this year to say Mariano is done. He’s been saying it since 2001.
You complaining about someone talking out his ass?
He makes a point. You don’t have to agree with his opinion but it’s a perfectly reasonable. I hate pulling this line but you blindly defend everything Fedor, how are you offering some kind of reasonable counterpoint?
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by Worldisart on Feb 15, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How dare you bring up ice cream so early on in the grieving process, huh?
We all know how much Fedro loved ice cream.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Feb 14, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
Now I got coffee all over my keyboard
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
@anonymousbungi
This is why I wonder if "hardcore fans" REALLY want the sport to become mainstream
Once it’s mainstream you have to deal with all the negatives that comes with, including people making ill informed comments and analysis. Not saying that’s the case with Rome here, but if people ar epissed about this, I can’t imagine the reactions when Woody Paige says something dumb about pride fc
by MemphisMike on Feb 14, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Jim Rome is Correct!!!
That is why UFC monopoly is so important for us fans. Only when SF goes belly up will we be able the best fight the best just like in any other sport NBA, NFL, NHL.
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Jim Rome who???
another person who’s comments dont matter, thats who..
by Matthew Poulin on Feb 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST reply actions
Incredible insight, random nobody.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 15, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
A bit harsh
The most you can really say is that they didn’t like the UFC’s offer and went with option 2.
But there’s plenty of stuff to speculate over, like how much money was offered on both sides. I’m guessing the base offer, maximum returns, feasibility of achieving those returns, and other promotional concerns contributed to M-1’s decision. And for whatever reason, working with a much smaller promotion that makes less money seemed like a better idea.
The Fedor Is Finished Grieving Process
Step 1: Despair, Sadness
Step 2: Anger, Finger Pointing, Rage
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Repeat Steps 1 and 2.
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by Earl Montclair on Feb 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
That's pretty brilliant.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 15, 2011 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
You know what sucks, Fedor could have beat Brock
Not saying he would have, but he would have definitely been the favorite. And given the hype behind Brock, Fedor would have become soooo popular and probably won over the haters.
He would have gone on to get destroyed by Cain or Dos Santos, but it still would have been a hell of a lot better for him than how it played out in Strikeforce.
It’s just sad.
I think that Rome was off in accusing Fedor of ducking the UFC but I can’t argue with his other points.
by troy_doney on Feb 14, 2011 10:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I can argue about his choosing to bash Fedor but not Liddell who then went on to compile some gnraly beatings of his own, for example.
He rips Fedor on stuff he has no way to know are factual while he does say other very true things in a rather smug way, but since I don’t know the guy, maybe that’s just his style.
by Unabomberman on Feb 14, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
He comes across as uninformed here
It’s a shame though, he’s usually the best at talking MMA of any mainstream talking head.
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The UFC advertises heavily on the Jim Rome Show and JRIB. Enough said.
by pj48 on Feb 14, 2011 10:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
this is BS
StrikeForce HW is way better than UFC
Lesnar is a joke
only junior, carwin and Cain are top HW
the rest is rubbish
but luckily for us UFC doesn’t get a simple truth any mention in the media is a good one which makes SF bigger and stronger
going to see Fedor VS BigFoot ...very exited
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by Rod Mapada on Feb 14, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's awesome. I hadn't noticed the signature.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
The misspelling is the best part. Very exited, indeed.
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by Derek Suboticki on Feb 15, 2011 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
I am not a fan of Fedor at all.
But why this guy is getting this kind of coverage here. Jim Rome thinks he is cool because his
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Jim thinks he is cool because of his name? I just don’t agree with anything this guy says.
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 14, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Lolz
at people getting outraged at Rome just for being Rome. This is what he does. He presents a very in-your-face, critical outlook at sporting events and isn’t limited to MMA. That’s just his style of presenting his opinion, and all the calls of him being in Dana’s pocket are unfair if you ask me.
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by Ominous on Feb 14, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Jim Rome..
He’s quite the in your face Newb about MMA.
Well, I hope Fedor retires, he would make an excellent coach, ive seen some of his videos.
Reasons we should listen to Rome about anything under the sun...
1)….
"Clay "The Missing Link" Guida!!!"
Ugh, I might just wait a week until tuning into any sort of MMA coverage
The mixture of eulogizing Fedor like a dead relative, and blowhards like Rome insisting on denting his legacy with trumped up bullshit is sickening.
The man is a warrior, a good man, and he went out on his shield against a fighter much larger than him.
how do you know he is a good man? Are we now mind reading or looking to people's souls?
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
lol sheeplebuster
You and MMAlogic are too much fun.
I can’t say I ever met Fedor, but in interviews and throughout his professional life, what we the fans have witnessed, he certainly came across as humble, respectful and likable to me.
So does Tom Crurise in the movie Last Samurai
I am not trying to be a pain. But don’t judge people before you know them. Fedor sounds to me like a super religious person with extreme nationalistic views. His hatred for anything but Russia has been known in some of his interviews. He does look like a humble man. But I am not in agreement with his radical views even though some call me a radical ;)
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by SheepleBuster on Feb 15, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're reaching a bit there
Fedor is deeply religious and nationalistic (traits that generally annoy me), but I’ve never seen him openly express “hatred” for anything. He’s always been respectful of his opponents and fans, regardless what country they are from.
We can’t really know for sure, but I think it would be safe to assume Fedor is a decent guy, he always seems to have a dopey smile on his face when interacting with friends and family (or ice cream).
Rome is just being Rome
He’s just doing what he does best: getting us talking.
My main beef with the fight is that Fedor appeared to have no identifiable strategy. What was his gameplan; throw haymakers? Bigfoot had a solid plan and executed it very well: close, pressure against fence (despite Miragliotta’s separating after an eight second stalemate…), look for takedowns.
How does the world’s best heavyweight not have a gameplan going into a fight? Oh yeah, he’s not the world’s best heavyweight – a fake title that is up for grabs in the next 12 months.
by PackMMA on Feb 14, 2011 11:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think his gameplan
was indeed what you said, to keep the fight standing and throw haymakers. When that didn’t work out, everything was fucked. So the more accurate thing to say is probably that he didn’t have a plan B.
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
@anonymousbungi
What to do?!?
I’m torn because I hate Jim Rome and yet I think he’s right… so I’ll paste a gif of his firsthand combat experience:
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
You think Fedor didn't want to fight the best?
There’s no way to know that. For all we know, Fedor didn’t sign with Zuffa b/c Dana White refused to kiss his left nut.
by Unabomberman on Feb 14, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
The Fedor was ducking the UFC arguments are BS
He wanted more money and co-promotion. That’s why he went to SF. Nothing to do with the level of fighters. It maybe that the outcome would have been the same, but that makes no difference.
what a dummy
UFC guys lose, but Fedor gets “exposed”. SIGH. Fedor didn’t come to the UFC because of M1, not because he’s afraid of anyone. Probably the dumbest thing ever said.
All the greats lose. Couture, Nogeira, Lidell etc. STFU you moron.
..!..
When Brock lost he got "exposed" too
"But I was like "I don't know how they do things where you guys are from, but I dont think monogamy is legal in this country."
@anonymousbungi
It's about time I weighed in
(everyone stops talking and listens)
These are all facts:
-Jim Rome has been an MMA fan for a LONG time, and is pretty much the only highly-visible main-stream guy to give MMA events a lot of play.
-Jim Rome has a tired, cliched act where he repeats himself 50 times per every twenty minutes. His favorite phrases are “I’ll say it again”, “I get it”, and “Thank you very much (famous athlete) great job.”
-Jim Rome’s entire radio program is scripted. This is extremely lame.
-Jim Rome fans annoy me.
-That Jim Everett/Rome fight was a total work. You don’t get super mad, flip over a table, and then PUSH a guy.
-Who gives a shit what Jim Rome’s dumb goatee says about Fedor? He is entitled to his opinion. His lame, unfunny, scripted opinion that he will repeat again on his TV show.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Feb 14, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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Its funny how you kinda gave jim rome back handed compliments.
He is entitled to his opinion. His lame, unfunny, scripted opinion that he will repeat again on his TV show.
You sound like a rome hater, who is trying to hard to keep from being looked upon as one.
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by TheRealGunslinger on Feb 14, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I was making it clear that I did not like Rome
And I certainly did not mean to compliment him.
BOOSH
Meh.
I disagree with the part near the end where he implies he was ducking the UFC. Everything else is pretty much spot on IMO.
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I've enjoyed watching Jim Rome on occasion...
But on this occasion, he can eat a dick.
Exhibit A :
Did you bother to check that piece of meat that you were bludgeoning between shots. Trust me, he had enough.
Who the fuck is you to say who’s had enough? Aren’t you the dude who got bitched by Chris Everett on national TV, falling back and whimpering away when he put you on Front Street? Bet you got his name right after that. Punk ass. Mr. Rome is obviously not too familiar with Fedor’s particular style of fighting, otherwise he would have known that it was merely another day at the office for Fedor, and that he’s well known for being a come-from-behind fighter. If not for the heavy swelling, there would have been a 3rd round, and he could’ve possibly won since Silva looked pretty gassed. (not to take anything away from Bigfoot’s awesome win, he deserves full credit as did Werdum)
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Exhibit B :
Fedor admitted enough afterwards, quote – Maybe it’s time to leave …Maybe it’s the last time, maybe it’s high time. No maybe’s about it, if anything it’s probably past time.
Again, what the fuck makes you think you know when a high level professional MMA fighter should hang ‘em up? Fedor may not be at the top of the food chain any longer, but he’s damn sure still capable of being highly competitive and putting on a few more Superfights or dropping a weight class and making one final title run if he so chooses. It seems as though his training regimen has become stagnant and some of the hype had gone to his head, but if he can modernize and refocus, there’s still some fight left in the ol’ Russian Robot.
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Go fuck yourself, Jim. Do some research and stop regurgitating Dana’s bullshit.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Feb 14, 2011 11:41 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Think about this for a second
If you showed Jim Rome photographs of the top ten fighters in each weight class how many guys do you think he could identify? I’m guessing there’s not 15 guys, guys at the very top of the sport, he even recognizes.
He’s a talking head with an opinion.
by Jonathan Snowden on Feb 14, 2011 11:58 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Some of Fedor’s recent opponents would be hard for most fans to recognize…
by Dr.WavvyCrockett on Feb 15, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rome listener since 95
He has discussed Tank and Royce (in a negative way) as far back as the early days. He since came around though. He had Couture on a looooong time ago to his radio show when UFC was begging for media attention. He has given Faber air time as far back as 08. I really think he knows 15 guys but I don’t think he’s spending 4 hrs a day on Bloody Elbow if thats what you meant.
by Wonderlic on Feb 15, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jim Rome had an opinion, and he was an ass about it... so WTF..!?!
Why is this topic and all the others around Fedor losing have such a childish hate / troll/ whine / wha wa pace of dictation to them? …
Are we not here to be of fan to the sport of MMA?!? …. Have you ever gloated about a team you were so sure that they would ‘take it all’ only to lose, and your friends or family members pushed it in your face?!? …
If you are a Fedor fan, deal with it like a man!
If you are a true fan of MMA, ANY of the pervious generation of fighters were eventually going to be taken over by the new breed of true Mixed Martial Artists. Let us face the facts;
The Chuck Lidells, Matt Hughes, Cro Cops, Sakurabas, Nogs and yes Fedors time in the spot light is past , high time if you will. I was happy that some streaks lasted longer than others, but let us be honest to the sport; Be happy he was able to have a streak against huge men all wanting to kick his ass reguardless of the level of competition. To call him great is justified, the best ever … probably not as we know he is not mixed enough to compete with relevent fighters his size and age.
If you didn’t see this coming and are getting your panties in a bunch from the others that are in ‘TOLD YOU mode’, do what any real man would and take it as is.
But if others want to retire the over stated mystics played to Fedors credit for whatever reason, let them, they are assholes and that is what they do. Crying in vain is just that and maybe ifs and theoretics are for guys who want justice for their opinion but don’t compete in anything and find themself suck in emotion.
So my point is, get over it. …
Most of all, be a man and stop acting like children please… MMA athletes deserve better,
Don’t end your post in bold, kills the rest of the comments bruh.
BJJ > Sambo
by lowellthehammer on Feb 15, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Still rather here Rome talk about MMA than Kornheiser ever mention MMA again. Rome is doing his bit and in doing so giving MMA more attention than almost any fighter.
by Rufford on Feb 15, 2011 12:25 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Instead of giving an opinion on this I think I am just going to post about how much fun reading this insanity actually was.
Oh and just remember when talking about Jim Rome and his opinion on this, he isn’t just lightly informed on MMA matters he is at about the same level as the typical North American MMA fan out there (probably a bit more informed as he actually knows who Fedor is). We on the internet are the small minority, the casual fans rule the roost and the vast majority of casual fans are going to agree with Rome on this one. They are going to wonder “why the guy who claims is the best fighter in the world isn’t fighting in the top promotion in the world against the top fighters”? You may disagree with any of that but it doesn’t change that that is what the perception of the situation is going to be by people who don’t blow hours and hours of their lives talking about MMA on the internet. To casuals the UFC is MMA and for some reason Fedor ducked fighting there to fight in a company they had never heard of.
Welcome to the mainstream people because like it or not this is how it works.
by who me on Feb 15, 2011 12:41 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Dude up there forgot to end his bold, and apparently html syntax errors in a single comment can effect all subsequent ones. All you have to do is put /strong (with the < > brackets around it) directly after the offending comment.
BJJ > Sambo
by lowellthehammer on Feb 15, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
This stuff
is exactly the joke that is the Zuffa vs non Zuffa or rather the Non Zuffa vs anyone who isn’t non Zuffa, crowd is all about.
You shut your mouth about Fedor! UFC nuthugger! You must be Dana White!
lol, hilarious. I know we are Fedor’s good friends and he needs us to stick up for him, but this is just great.
Guess what? Great athletes get old, lose motivation, fall behind the times. They retire, it happens. Somebody comes out and states the obvious and this is what happens, the internet goes crazy.
Damn, I am so sick of the promotion vs promotion rhetoric. Can’t we all just get along, lol?
If you find yourself going bananas over statement’s like Rome’s, then you may want to take a step away.
also
as for Fedor, I think he is still relevant, but if he thinks it is time to retire, then so be it. Thanks for the memories and I hope you keep fighting, but whatever. No fighter is bigger than the sport. Just please don’t end up like Arlovski.
I want Fedor to retire because Fedor really seems to want to retire, he’s been talking about if for a while now but even his comments after the fight weren’t translated completely right to make it look like maybe he would come back. If he doesn’t truly 100% want to be in there he is just going to get himself embarrased or hurt. He owes us nothing more but I am afraid he may be getting pressure to continue with something he doesn’t want to do anymore.
It kills me that I watch Rome’s statement and I don’t really agree with it but then I read the comments and I feel the need to defend his right to actually have an opinion on the topic (it’s freaking insane to think that Jim Rome is bashed just for actually having an opinion on a MMA topic). Rome gave the topic all of a minute worth of talk and then he moved on to something else, shit people should be upset that MMA only got 1:06 of commentary over the Fedor loss not that Rome’s opinion didn’t match theirs.
Agree or disagree with Rome this is what moving into getting mainstream attention will be like, shit ESPN fills up most of their daytime schedule with guys ranting at each other with their personal opinions on sport topics, this is what comes with being mainstream and recognized. Do posters think people who follow other more established sports don’t disagree with opinion commentary on ESPN? It’s just part of how things work once mainstream starts to actually notice you exist.
you're so right in that the Fedor fans are putting me in the odd position of siding with Rome....
to quote the office: “Congratulations, universe. You win.”
by John Danaher's Hair on Feb 15, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Since its mainstream we should accept bullshit?
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
I think he’s wrong and it’s rude and we should be able to state that, but holy shit do some people take it serious.
What bugs me the most, though, is how so many refuse to give any of the fighters that beat Fedor any credit for fear of acknowledging that the Last Emperor was not overrated by his fanboys and that maybe Werdum and Bigfoot are actually really good. This works both ways: I don’t know why some feel the need to prove how “overrated” Brock is, as if a guy who has fought Mir, Couture, Carwin, and Cain hasn’t accomplished anything.
by John Nash on Feb 15, 2011 2:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rant/
Fuck those
people who constantly shit on Fedor
people who constantly shit on Brock
people who constantly shit on UFC
people who constantly shit on Strikeforce
I dont understand why have to fucking take a side. Its fucking ridiculous. Unless you are a stockholder of any org, you are one fucked up dude.
end rant/
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
by vivero on Feb 15, 2011 3:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are absolutely right.
You should be able to disagree. And you should be able to do without the discussion devolving into the same old UFC vs SF, anti-zuffa, UFC shill, crap.
It wasn’t bullshit it was a differing opinion than most longtime hardcore fans have (it’s the opinion that most casual fans seem to have though). It’s not like Rome said that Fedor sucked and MMA is a joke he just said Fedor should retire and that there was a reason he ducked the UFC. Would it of been better if he had explained that M-1 and the UFC couldn’t come to an agreement due to their many differences of opinion? Yes but it was only a one minute piece not a half hour in depth look at the situation.
At the same time, some of you are getting annoyed of opinions out of Rome’s opinions? I just dont get why you would defend an ignorant statement by Rome when its fucking ignorant.
Lets all burn all posters because they are freaking Fedor worshippers and zealots. Hey, its Rome anyways, this is mainstream, he gets a pass – everybody else and shut up or else you are tag as a Fedor sucker.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But I won’t pick against Jon Jones again until I see him lose. - Kwisatz Haderach
It’s not about giving a pass, shit we don’t have the power to affect Jim Rome at all it’s about people who can’t seem to accept that Fedor(or Brock Lesnar or Chael Sonnen or Alistair Overeem) is just another fighter. This discussion reminded me about why religion and politics are banned topics, people were losing their damn minds over a one minute blurb on Jim Rome’s show. it wasn’t that long ago that we would of been excited about anyone on ESPN even admitting that MMA was a actual sport and now people are coming unglued because Jim Rome’s 1 minute blurb wasn’t nuanced enough with the proper details of the situation…………
Shit I came to the discussion originally to say that I disagreed with Rome but by the time I read through the 200 something comments already there I actually started to wonder. People weren’t just disagreeing with Rome they were attacking him as a person just for having an opinion. There is no reason at all for any conversation about anything involving MMA to devolve into a freaking Tea Party rally, I love the sport as much as anyone here but it’s still just a sport and Fedor is just another fighter in that sport. It’s not like people have a problem making cracks about Tim Sylvia or Tito Ortiz but apparently Fedor is off limits for even being seriously debated.
by who me on Feb 15, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
again
I don’t think anyone would really be upset if a poster came on and said they disagreed with Rome, backed up their statement and gave intelligent counter points. Unfortunately, Fedor has become the soap box for everything not Zuffa. And vice versa. The irrational statements are what seems to pushing everyone’s buttons.
Wow...
Everyone seemed to accept the sad state of Fedor on Saturday into Sunday, but clearly some of you were merely in shock and this is the “anger” stage of the grieving process. Maybe you guys should call Vadim Fikelstein to represent you for the “bargaining?”
by John Danaher's Hair on Feb 15, 2011 1:23 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Couple things ...
1. Jim Rome is one of the worst people on television.
2. The hour-and-a-half block of programming that is PTI, ATH and JRiB is the worst block of programming on television.
3. I am not saying he is wrong here. He’s right, even if the words aren’t his own. Whoever wrote them is undoubtedly right and the people who are angry are trying to hold onto something that needs to be let go. My first point (being one of the worst people on television) has nothing at all to do with what is said here. The man just sucks a lot.
by James Brady on Feb 15, 2011 2:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Holy Hell this thread is crazy
Come on , suck it up and lets take some real stock in what he said and argue about that.
by BeardedNerd on Feb 15, 2011 2:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
If Fedor lost in the UFC to Cain or Lesnar people would be saying “Wow Lesnar/Cain are for real etc. etc.” but when he loses to BigFoot it’s “Oh Fedor was never any good” and completely ignore Antonio’s efforts.
Food goes in here
by Pandanus on Feb 15, 2011 2:50 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
This, this, and this. He holds blackbelts in 3 different martial arts, is 6’4" 285 lbs, and is 16-2 in mma. Maybe, jusT maybe, he is really good.
by John Nash on Feb 15, 2011 3:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
way to bring light of realisation you two
good work….
'if you don't have humility as a fighter, fighting will bring humility to you...'
It’s because Fedor’s fans are insane and they didn’t do a good job of pushing the opponent, as usual. At some point on Saturday the announcers should have switched from “anything can happen in a tournament” (which makes no sense), to “holy shit! look what bigfoot did to his face, he must be related to sasquatch.”
At the press conference Coker should have switched from “fedor will fight again and he may go back in the tournament” to, “we hope fedor isn’t retiring, but let’s focus on the guy they just beat the crap out of him.”
That's a good point.
But the promotion didn’t do that to Werdum, either, when he beat Fedor. Thew ere banking on plausible deniability (“Fedor got caught, otherwise, of course, he would have won that fight”). Now that Fedor’s face looks like it was stomped on by a hippo in heat, the plausible deniability is right out of the window.
If Coker & Finkelstein had any sense, they would have set up the first fight between Fedor and Werdum. Had Werdum won again, they could have marketed him as the “new king”, and God knows there are enough suckers that would have gone for that. Had, instead, Fedor beaten Werdum, that would have pleased Strikeforce even more, clearly.
If you duck the best long enough the talent eventually evolves to where even your hand picked opponents start kicking your ass.
Ask Frank Shamrock and how his hype ended against a guy like Renzo Gracie.
If Fedor was fighting the best, his “era” would not have ended by getting choked out in 60 seconds by a 2-2 UFC cast off or being beaten to a pulp by a guy like Antonio Silva.
Fedor hasnt fought the top contender in his division for 5 years… you can only go for so long before the talent level reaches a point where even mid level guys can start kicking your ass.
by mmalogic on Feb 15, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor ducked the best Strikeforce HW fighters
…and struggled against mediocre ones. Enough said.
Because Werdum and Silva are mediocre players in Strikeforce HW division. Nice revisionist history you are writing there.
Yes they are.
Denying that is revisionist history.
Besides, Werdum and Silva are the ones that Fedor LOST against, not just struggled.
Rogers, at the time he was fighting Fedor, was indeed mediocre. Nowadays he’s much better, but back then his head was better wired at car workshop stuff than MMA.
in all fairness, he is only top three because he beat fedor. Gonna take your side though, other guys a douche.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Feb 15, 2011 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
in all fairness, he is only top three because he beat fedor.
Exactly! And same goes for Bigfoot:: before he beat Fedor, he was considered a mediocre HW at best. Bigfoot vs. Fedor was a 5.5 to 1 underdog! Let me repeat: 5.5 to 1 – and now, all of a sudden, he’s a world-class HW fighter? Give me a friggin’ break! I have nothing against Fedor himself – he used to be the best HW MMA fighter in the world, back 2005. After that, who knows? And in the last few years, definitely NOT the number one anymore. But that’s OK, not being #1 anymore is fine, if one tries hard enough to measure him/herself. Which Fedor, unfortunately, didn’t do.
Fedor HAS NEVER BEEN A STRIKEFORCE CHAMPION! How come?
How come Fedor Emelianenko has never, never ever gained the Strikeforce HW Champion belt? Because he was fed cans, all along.
Fedor was a dragon in 2005. But today, and for several years, Fedor has been a paper dragon. History WILL remember this, don’t kid yourselves. History will have in his legacy, the fact that Fedor avoided the best HW fighters. This will be part of his legacy, especially if he leaves the sport at this young age (34).
Well because the Strikeforce champion was far more concerned with another sport and didn’t agree to the testing proposed by Fedor’s people. Calling fighters ranked in the top-10 “cans” is just foolish and disrespectful.
Calling fighters ranked in the top-10 "cans" is just foolish and disrespectful.
That would be disrespectful, I agree, had I done that. But I didn’t, as Fedor did not fight any top 10 fighters since he joined Strikeforce.
On one hand, this is pretty much par for Rome – start off with a credible opinion, that stir shit up by pushing it over the top with brash smugness and ridiculous hyperbole. You’ll see the same standard applied when ARod has a two game slump or when Pac fights Mosley. Rome is a hater, it’s how he sells himself.
On the other hand, I can see why people are upset. That last bit about not fighting in the UFC or fighting the “best of the best” is just complete horseshit. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talkng about, and its unnecessarily disrespectful, yet many people will accept it as truth.
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Just me?
Am I the only one that is sad for Alistair Overeem. This guy wanted to hit Fedor so hard that Fedor would have poop leave his but. Now that will not happen.
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"Exposed"
I’m a big Fedor fan, but the only thing Rome seems to be off on here is in claiming Fedor was “exposed”. He lost to two very good, legitimate top-ten heavyweights. That’s a pretty low threshold for “exposed”.
And, even after the Silva drubbing, I’m pretty sure most MMA fans would expect Fedor to beat Werdum in rematch.
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Randy Couture’s longest unbeaten streak? Four. Chuck Liddell? Ten. Anderson Silva? Fourteen. Those are three of the most decorated and respected fighters of all time and their longest combined unbeaten streak equals 28 fights, or one less than Fedor by himself.
Im sure if Randy, Chuck and Anderson silva were lucky enough to have their management pick and choose their opponents their records would look alot better.
Anderson could have gone on a 40 and 0 run with the right matchmaking.
Fedor is the only top guy in MMA that was managed the way boxers are managed.
by mmalogic on Feb 15, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
“Fedor is the only top guy in MMA that was managed the way boxers are managed.”
Seriously? I guess he was ducking people back in Pride too huh?
And last time I checked, Anderson list of opponents isn’t that special…
by amoladora on Feb 15, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So are you suggesting Couture never had a hand in picking Tim Sylvia (after Randy “Retired”) or James Toney, really ?
by Hioki's Hamster on Feb 15, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're absolutely right
Not like Zuffa gave Chuck fights against Vernon White or Jeremy Horn.
Or gave Anderson fights against Patrick Cote, Thales Leites, or Chris Leben.
Or gave Randy fights against James Toney and Mark Coleman.
by hoohoofred on Feb 15, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1. White and Horn was the best they had at the time.
2. Ditto with Cote and Leites. Leben was Anderson’s first fight in the UFC. Nobody knew who AS was at that time considering his career in Pride wasn’t that stellar.
3. Randy was not considered the top HW when he fought Toney and Coleman.
Vernon White wasn’t in the UFC and was specifically brought in to fight Liddell, and didn’t fight in the UFC after the loss. Horn was a handpicked opponent, moved up from LHW, to fight Chuck so that he could get his loss back. Horn was also brought in from outside of the UFC, hadn’t fought in the UFC in over 5 years, and his last fight was in the IFC against Spencer Canup. You’re right, those aren’t handpicked opponents at all.
Cote and Leites were fringe contenders at best and no one considered them to have anything resembling a shot of beating Silva.
It doesn’t matter if Randy was considered the top HW when he fought Toney and Coleman or not, the argument was that if he received handpicked opponents he could run up the same record as Fedor. The Toney and Coleman fights were handpicked opponents specifically selected to showcase Couture and give him easy wins.
The run of victories and opponents that Fedor has beaten rival any fighter in any weight class and are higher quality victories than any other heavyweight in MMA history. Sure, his opponents recently have been lacking, but during his run in his prime, he was consistently fighting a murders row of the best talents and beating them soundly.
Yeah, if only Anderson had avoided Ryo Chonan and Daiju Takase…
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by Mike Fagan on Feb 15, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't get all the Fedor bashing...
Isn’t the beating Silva gave him enough? Until Cain or maybe someone we haven’t heard of takes the mantle, Fedor is still the GOAT of the HW division.
So he didn’t go to the UFC, big deal! It’s obvious he doesn’t care. He doesn’t even look like he enjoys fighting, it’s just his way of paying the bills. If he was serious bout fighting and cared bout legacy and that other stuff, he would have gone to the UFC. Probably would have lost at some point. Maybe cut down to 205 and been a beast or a bust. We’ll never know. Let the man’s accomplishments shine. I don’t hear people saying HCuck was over rated because the comp in the UFC was second rate until the PRIDE acquisition. (end rant)
Now it’s pretty obvious why he didn’t want to sign with the UFC. While Strikeforce does have competitive heavyweights, he didn’t want to fight the best of the best on the biggest stage, he knew better.
There was also the factor of fighting the best of the best on a more consistent basis than he has in years.
What a blow hard
Atleast we have Baroni to make some sense of this. I give credit to Silva and Werdum. Big deal he lost. I don’t think it proves anything about why he didn’t want to come to the UFC. There are a lot of factors that played into that, and I don’t think any of us know what was going on in the negotiations. It is foolish for anyone to comment on that. Just because we all wanted to see him in the UFC, doesn’t make him obligated or scared of their fighters. Maybe he didn’t like the restrictive contracts, maybe he was tired of hearing Dana trash him. Maybe sticking to his principals was more important to him then appeasing the critics. In the end father time waits for no man. We should be talking about what heart Fedor does have. He went into that fight giving up at least 40 pounds maybe 50 or 60. Would we expect Anderson to beat Cain if he walked in at 205 and Cain was sitting at 240? Probably not. I would see Cain shooting for a double and doing to Anderson exactly what Silva did to Fedor in the second. We only expect that of Fedor because he has been so good. Take Fedor’s accomplishments for what they are. 10 years on top without losing. A once in a lifetime talent. An incredibly humble sportsman. A great ambassador for the sport. Michael Jordan didn’t look too good in a Wizards jersey but that’s not how I remember him.
Not sure if this was discussed
But after the BADDEST MAN ON THE PLANET danced all around the octagon and got his face demolished into a piece of meat beat by Cain, did Rome address it?
I figured he would, seeing as it was BROCKTOBER and you know, it’s Brock. EX-WWE superstar, biggest UFC draw, big name recognition, baddest man on the planet etc.
Or is this just a Rome troll job on Fydor?
WAR AKEBONO!
But after the BADDEST MAN ON THE PLANET danced all around the octagon and got his face demolished into a piece of meat beat by Cain, did Rome address it?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4846813
Yeah do some research.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
doug y u comin at me bro
bro i asked asked a quick question before class y u gotta be all mean ??/
WAR AKEBONO!
Because you made me take up for Jim Rome. I don’t like Jim Rome, but he does shit on everything equaly.
If you can't wow them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.
fair enough
I didn’t mean for my comment to have such a trollish tone. It was early and yeah.. my bad.
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Rome does talk about MMA. I give him credit for that. A bit misguided, but he does bring it up. I just don’t think he has a lot of credibility when it comes to the sport. It’s cool that’s he’s talking about it, but I don’t like that he is misrepresenting Fedor, who has meant so much to the sport, to a bunch of people who don’t really follow MMA.
didn't know it was possible but...
i think i like Phil Baroni.
by EnterTheDragon on Feb 15, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions
The best thing about people that hate fedor that strong, is that Fedor couldn’t care less. He certainly has behaved the same way throughout his career, winning or losing, with respect, stoicism, honor and discipline. Fedor has never bitch about anything, disrepect anyone and is the fighter with the most recognized respect from other fighter. Those haters are laughable.
He is the legend
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Feb 15, 2011 4:01 PM EST reply actions
What's a Fedor?
Is is a type of haircut?
Confucius says:
"Baseball is wrong; man with four balls cannot walk."
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