Rashad Evans' Joke About the Penn State Scandal is No Laughing Matter
by David Castillo on Dec 7, 2011 9:50 PM EST
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For the rest of the world that is bound by decency, and ethics, rape has been the topic of a tragic scandal. Jerry Sandusky, the former Assistant coach of Penn State under Joe Paterno, was recently indicted for 40 charges of sex crimes involving young boys: actions that were enabled by a once respected institution. That number has increased with the addition of two new accusers.
Words like 'oral sex' in this context are vile, and Sandusky's acts seem to transcend disgust. It's what has validated the fog of shame that now proxies for Joe Paterno's once heralded status. The Penn State case was not just about a flesh and blood monster. It was also about corruption. When students idiotically protested the termination of Paterno, it prompted Dave Zirin of The Nation, in contrasting the Penn State protests with the protests that occurred on the campus at Berkeley, to ask the question: "Do you defend the ugliest manifestations of unchecked power or do you fight for a better world with an altogether different set of values?"
That's a fine question for students. And perhaps an unfair one for athletes. But is it too much to ask to be even moderately civilized?
For MMA fighters, the scandal has turned into a sandbox for auditions at the comedy club. During the press conference for UFC on FOX 2 that will feature Phil Davis and Rashad Evans, Evans joked "I'm gonna put my hands on you worse than that dude on those kids at Penn State". This of course, harkens back to another example of brainless behavior when Forrest Griffin tweeted that "rape is the new missionary" (Griffin was also bouncing off the rape cases at Penn State). To make matters worse, Phil Davis is on the record defending Paterno's actions. While we're at it, let's pour another into the comedy stew and add Miguel Torres to the list of fighters who think rape is hilarious.
Inevitably, people will criticize this moral outrage as "too sensitive", and that running "stories" like this reveals the real crime of 'political correctness': a criticism so excessively dumb, it possesses a seat on the stupid branch right alongside creationism. If we take seriously the injustice that is rape, we should take seriously the verbal representation of that injustice when it is mocked, and cheapened.
At this point, I'm not asking for Rashad to be fined, or punished (not that I would be opposed to some form of punishment). But who approves of his words? No one. So where is the disapproval?
This is not like Martin Scorsese or other acclaimed artists dealing with network censorship. "The prohibition against swearing in broadcast media makes artists and historians into liars, and subverts the responsibility of grown-ups to learn how life is lived in worlds distant from their own", explains Steven Pinker. Discouraging Evans' statement is not about censorship. It's a question about moral philosophy, and what kind of culture we're interested in nurturing.
Right now the UFC is looking to the federal judicial system to take action against the ban on MMA in New York. And they've molded for themselves an interesting argument: that MMA is a form of free speech. It's not some parlor trick: it's a clever way of attacking the language used to justify the ban, namely, that MMA promotes a 'message of violence'.
Obviously, this is false, and the ban on MMA itself is unjustified. But it prompts the question, 'if not violence, what does MMA stand for?' This is not a pretentious question. It's a question that will be directly addressed in the courtroom given the argument Zuffa is looking to make in order to get MMA legalized.
What values do we share as a community? What principles should be cherished, either as media, as fighters, or as fans? There are some fantastic individuals in MMA's unique universe. And Rashad Evans doesn't speak for everyone. But the silence feels like a confession: the confession we don't stand for much of anything. Foregoing any sense of community, the silence in response to Evans' statement would appear to out us as a faceless cauldron of indifference.
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Rashad, you have a kid...
How can you joke about being worse than a child rapist when you yourself are a parent…
The Machiavellian.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Imagine if he had his kid on his lap when he made the joke like earlier in the press conference.
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Because before telling any joke
One must ask themself, “would I still say the joke if I had a child on my lap?”
by IanParedes on Dec 7, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
on board with this
I worked in online games and one thing we did was change objectionable names like Wytepower, Peniswhatever etc. Our test for something being inappropriate was basically along the lines of “would I tell my parents, teacher, boss, priest, what my handle was, or would it be embarrassing to share?” It was a good deal 100% of the time.
So it was YOU
Your the reason we can’t have hilarious gamertags anymore…
by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Dec 7, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol it's ok to be funny
but there’s a point when it becomes inappropriate and a liability.
That's actually
a good question to ask before you say certain things in a public setting.
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Forgot to add
that particular factoid.
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by David Castillo on Dec 7, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
So who is gonna pen an open letter to rape jokes?
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by RECE ROCK on Dec 8, 2011 7:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You want more than canned replies by atheles
Yet when they give a non-PC answer or joke you attack them.
If he had said:
1. The UFC had been very good to me
2. I will give 110%
3. My opponent will be very tough
4. I have been working to answer his strengths
5. I am better than he is at every place the fight can go
Then walked away – you would complain. You over-react to every word they say and then expect them to open up???
I would take this list carry it with me if I was Rashad and read down it when asked a question.
I think it's possible to be honest, forthcoming, and original
and still not make jokes about raping children
They didn't ask you did they?
They asked Rashad and while I don’t care for him personally and feel this is a stupid joke and insensitive – it gives you insight into who he is.
People ask for this insight and then don’t like it when it reflects at times a shallow and insensitive person. I don’t get offended by this stuff I just add several marks on the side that this guy is a jerk.
Balance out the marks and you get the fact that over time Rashad has proven to be a shallow insensitive jerk more times than not. So in that context this joke is a perfect joke for such a person.
Perfect example of a Fallacy of False Dichotomy.
Thanks for sharing this.
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
Nice try to baffle with bullshit
Read my above reply to MMAth Wiz – the truth is these remarks allow you insight into a person character and you don’t like it when the insight shows they are crude and insensitive.
I don’t like it or dislike it – I just use it to evaluate their character or lack thereof.
Baffle with bullshit?
Read a Logic book.
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
logic book?
a book on logic? or a logical book? what does that even mean? example of a “logic book” would be helpful, otherwise Id have no idea what to google…
Everytime these things happen we get all sorts of replies ranging from logical to absurd in response to the post and inevitable bans will be thrown around. its actually more interesting to read the comments as we get an insightful look into the almighty “collective mind of the people”
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"GSP is me."
by El Pablo Diablo on Dec 8, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
A good Logic book
I agree that these are interesting to get a read on people’s mindset. But my God the informal fallacies… dear lord.
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
so true.
"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.
"GSP is me."
by El Pablo Diablo on Dec 8, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not really,
b/c it is the most probable result.
If you that mild jokes like Rashad made are contributing to a culture that condones child rap, but don’t think that getting bent out of shape over off-the-cuff remarks of fighters contributes to bland/canned responses from fighters, it is you that is being inconsistent.
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mma won't go mainstream
the business of violence can’t be a sport in a civilized world
War sells well.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
as entertainment maybe
sport is different imo
by Parcero Malo on Dec 7, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
mmm
boxing had to change it’s ways for becoming olympic sport, it’s quite different to pro boxing…
by Parcero Malo on Dec 7, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Olympic Boxing is different because you cant have 4-5 pro fights in 15 days, too much damage
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by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Dec 7, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
you're wrong
First off, can’i be a pro. one has to be amateur in order to contest
And how about 4 rounds of 2 min. each. I believe they have to wear sparing helmets also. Can’t be shirtless.
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I disagree
Part of the reason MMA has been growing is that in in the process of creating the product they are controversial. It is not the controversy that is attracting fans, but rather they are willing to alienate some people to attract others. Many sports leagues are taking the approach of not pushing anybody away, and this is a great way to keep a fan base, not not as strong as a method to attract fans. This type of humor is divisive and attracts some fans at the expense of others, the fans it attracts are more likely to have a stronger attachment to the sport because nature of the interaction and the rarity of the occurrence.
this is my point, imo it alienates too much people…and that’s the way it is, there’s no space in a politicaly correct society for a discipline involving KO’s and choking people out, martial arts are that, an art, a discipline,not suitable for the mainstream taste, and pushing mma as a sport, I think is not the way
(sorry for my english, i’m no native speaker)
by Parcero Malo on Dec 7, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
If I could double rec
for quoting Beckett, I would.
by StephenDedalus on Dec 7, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
ill get it for you
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks! I'm also taking a class on Joyce next semester.
I’ve also considered getting that quote tattooed somewhere, but I can’t figure out where (and I don’t have the money). It’s the closest thing I have to an inspirational quote. Also, you;d probably like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p856CfM64w8
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
as a fellow with tattoos ...
I would advise you to use your money for something better. I find that the “I don’t have the money” line pretty much means that one doesn’t want/need it that bad. For example: “I’d really like to train BJJ, but it is too expensive.” (Look that up on youtube, it’s pretty funny and accurate.)
Anyway, keep reading and learning, and get your tats when you are older and actually accomplish something – make it a reward for accomplishing tangible goals in your life.
I now have a signature statement. Behold!
Ignore that other guy.
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by pdl on Dec 8, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Put it somewhere where you don't have to look at it
And it doesn’t matter either way
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I understand that money can be a real issue as a student, though.
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by some schmuck in texas on Dec 8, 2011 6:58 AM EST up reply actions
couldn't disagree more
tuned into SportsCenter today, and the #1 play of the day that every single show is playing over and over, is a hockey player being checked violently clean off his skates.
Which plays draw the most interest in NFL games (btw the most successful US sport)? The most violent hits that normally end up with guys having concussions.
Violence IS sport in a civilized world.
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by Sean in Vancouver on Dec 7, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
It’s funny how there can be a public outcry of “END FIGHTING IN HOCKEY” whenever an NHLer dies and then they find out he has brain damage, but then openly promote the act itself on TV and stage fights on the rink to the delight of the crowd.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
Civilized?
Where do you live? I know in America reading through the paper on any given day will reflect that we are not as civilized as some would believe.
?
Where is this civilized world you speak of?
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
It was a joke.
Give it a rest.
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by joeshowradio on Dec 7, 2011 9:55 PM EST reply actions 27 recs
I think it would have been even funnier if his kid WAS on his lap, nothing like cold hearted, irony humor.
by yellopanda on Dec 7, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
BUT JOE, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
THE CHILDREN, JOE!!
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 7, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sandusky did think of the children.
That’s what got him in trouble.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Um...
Zinger?!
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like mocking child rape...
I’m perfectly OK with mocking child rapists…
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Write a letter to rashad explaining it to him.
But make sure to include a flow chart; we just don’t know with the guy…
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't that kind of what Rashad was doing, though?
I think it was just the phrasing that made it a little less funny.. I actually thought that the article title from before was actually alot funnier than how Rashad phrased it-
’I’m Gonna Put Hands On You Worse Than Penn State’
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 7, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rashad said he would out-do a child rapist...
Making the plight of these boys seem trivial compared to what Rashad was threatening. I’m not ok with that.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, if I remember correctly...
’I’m Gonna Put Hands On You Worse Than Penn State’
Is a jumble of words. He is saying that Penn State has hands that get put on people.
Obvious symptom that Rashad memorized the joke and then fucked it up on the delivery.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's a clever play on words, personally.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 7, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
It's a stupid mess of words.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Seems straight forward enough to me
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"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry to say this
But it’s completely fucking retarded to assert that anybody “thinks rape is hilarious.” That’s the definition of hyperbole. Do you understand what a joke is?
by Warbreezy on Dec 7, 2011 9:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No!
We can only joke about topics/situations that affect absolutely no one.
by Pillowhands on Dec 7, 2011 10:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
so you phrase your statement it in a way that degrades mentally challenged people
while saying a rape joke is wrong. you are one logical human being.
"Here we are with Seraldo Babalu, you did an awesome job, saw why you’re a black belt in jiu-jitsu, getting an awesome submission there, I want to tell me what you see, let’s go ahead and see by the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito (the Head) Ortiz - Great Commentator, or Greatest Commentator.
"GSP is me."
by El Pablo Diablo on Dec 8, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Rogan accused of supporting rape now as well…
http://twitter.com/#!/Thespar/status/144585809922760705/photo/1
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by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Dec 7, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions
he's a stand up comedian
and joking about the various female teachers screwing younger male students stories is well worn territory for comedians. Hell, Norm MacDonald made a joke about it on SNL.
That shit is just insane. I would’ve fucking LOVED for my 8th grade teacher to invite me over to her house and give me head, double standards are a bitch I guess. I’m 26 and I have to ask my gf for head a few days in advance, wtf’s up with that shit?
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t worry, he’ll blame the government for that.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Dec 7, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Rogan is the one who really needs the censor
"Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong." - 1 Corinthians 16:13
Not really, the situation is completely different.
Joe is talking about STATUTORY rape. The 14 year old kid was obviously consenting.
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure what's more offensive about this:
The clear misunderstanding of why statutory rape is not ok or how a woman who has sex is a hooker. Or a rapist is a hooker. Or… holy shit, it’s just so dumb I can’t even figure out all the ways he’s an idiot.
Rogan is a child and not even a smart child.
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by pdl on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
C'mon, lets not try to say that it was a heinous crime in any way.
The dude was 14 years old, I know for a fact that I wouldn’t have been traumatized in any way, shape, or form if I got to bang a hot teacher at that age. The age of consent differs from state to state, and realistically it’s a very arbitrary distinction.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 3:46 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
If the genders were reversed we people would not have the same opinion. It’s a gross double standard.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 AM EST up reply actions
Well, that's because with a man you have to wonder if he was physically forcing the girl.
That wasn’t an issue in the case we’re talking about. The kid’s parents didn’t like that she was banging their son, but the kid himself was completely consenting. And I don’t buy into the bullshit excuse that a minor can’t give consent.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
Please, girls like to fuck just as much as guys. By your logic a female wouldn’t be a victim either.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
If she were consenting, and of sound mind- no I don't think she would.
I was just saying that in the situation you mentioned, there would be a question as to whether the man forced the girl physically.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not taking a stance either way, but a grown woman can easily do the same thing to a teenage boy.
I have no opinion of the act itself, just against the double standard.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it was just because I've always been a big guy,
but there’s no way in hell that any of my high school teachers that I would’ve banged were anywhere near strong enough to overpower me like that, even at 14. I was probably getting close to 6’, 180 lbs at that point.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
then clearly every 14 year old was 6' 180 lbs
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I'll just say
that unless the teacher in question was a fucking Amazon woman, and you’re just a complete wuss, your average 14 year old boy should be able to handle a lady. Women are quite weak, if you didn’t know.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I was just messing around
I will say I wish a hot female teacher would have banged me when I was 14. Or now for that matter :)
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 8, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
At 14, I was short enough to walk under a volleyball net without ducking.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
It's a double standard that's never, never going to change
First of all, it’s just different. A 37 year old woman can’t really fuck a 13 year old boy (well, she can but you get what I’m saying), the boy would have to be doing the fucking. If he really, really wanted to he could just not fuck his teacher. But let’s be serious for a minute, if we all had a fairly attractive woman who wanted us to stay after school and fuck her brains out at 13-14, which one of us would really say no?
Now it’s different, and it just is, for the situation to be reveresed. If it was a 37 year old man with a grown man’s appendage having sex with a young, delicate 13-14 year old girl, that image in itself is just wrong. I don’t make the rules, it’s just the way it is. Like EM was saying, we can honestly believe that 13 year old boy could just not have sex if he didn’t want to unless the woman was Chyna or some shit, so more than likely it was consent. That’s not necessarily the case with a grown man and a girl because a girl could at first show consent, but after the act started and she realized that she made a huge fucking mistake, she really wouldn’t be able to stop a full grown man from going through with the act. The double standard is crazy, but some double standards just can’t be helped.
Also, it’s crazy to think that it was ok for a grown man to marry and have sex with a 15 year old girl 120-150 years ago and it was the norm.
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
There really is no difference between an under aged male consenting to sex and an under aged female consenting to sex.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
But there is.
One has a penis and the other has a vagina. Think about that for a second, and I’m not making a lame joke about the difference in their anatomy either.
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
It sounds like you’re using sarcasm to prove my point.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
...
it just is,
some double standards just can’t be helped
When you make points like that, you need to acknowledge that your argument isn’t based in logic. At all.
Maybe you find it hard to believe because it challenges popular masculine stereotypes but statutory rape does get committed against underage boys. Just like a (small) percentage of sexual assault in the military is against men (typically used in conjunction with date rape drugs). Just like some male employees are sexually harassed by their female superiors. A lot of people just can’t wrap their head around the concept that sometimes, sometimes, a guy doesn’t want to have sex with a willing counterpart.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“When you make points like that, you need to acknowledge that your argument isn’t based in logic. At all.”
I completely agree because most times double standards are highly illogical.
My gf makes a bit more money than me, but it’s instilled within the very core of her soul that I should pay rent and that she should pay utilities, that it’s my job to take care of her financially. BUT she doesn’t cook or clean or lay on her back whenever I ask. She wants the 1930’s dependence of a man while simultaneously having the 1980’s independence. Logic be damned. She picks and chooses which decade of gender dominance she wants to be in when the situation best suits her needs.
And yes I know that not all chicks are like that, but sometimes these things happen with double standards.
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Dude....
get a new girlfriend
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
:'(
But I lover her so…
and she’s sexy as fuck.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's bullshit. Time for an upgrade friend.
"The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?" -Anonymous
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
The pro-rape contingent is growing fast. Any chance it will be legalized soon?
by Pillowhands on Dec 7, 2011 10:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
Actually, marital rape is considered a lesser crime than non-marital rape in many states.
It wasn’t even illegal until late 20th Century.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
And many states
wrote their rape statues as requiring vaginal penetration so anal rape wasn’t rape.
Raping and pillaging was the in-thing for the Norse Vikings back in the day....
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
Pillaging
I’m bringing it back!!!
by Pillowhands on Dec 7, 2011 11:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Not with them pillow hands, you aren't.
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I'd pillage
but I am no Michael Bisping
by Andy Anderson on Dec 7, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm almost certain he's joking
I know that realistically women can rape men (http://rt.com/news/hairdresser-turns-robber-into-sex-slave/?fullstory) but let’s not pretend that a female “raping” of a typical 14 year old boy is the exact same thing as what Sandusky did. In both cases, the intent by the perpetrator is disgusting and immoral and obviously illegal. But I guarantee that female teachers having sex with youths is nowhere near on the same scale of psychological and physical damage as the likes of Sandusky.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
by SSreporters on Dec 7, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ummm other than the harming the genitals par...
I would have been just fine with that happening to me
Soon as my flow starts, I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
If Daniel Tosh can joke about it
So can every other f’cking person.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
by Chris Groves on Dec 7, 2011 9:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Agree
CarrotTop4: Who exactly said Tim Tebow couldn't win the Heisman??
AlabamaJammer: dunno. I don't care. He's in the pros now.
And we have crocodile tears to prove it.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Dec 7, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
The reason Daniel Tosh can can do that is........
He has a comedy show, on comedy central, and everyone knows he is a comedian.So there is no question he does this in jest.We can all make joke like this with our friends, but being a public figure, in a public forum you should have a little more restraint and respect.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
and he is actually good at making jokes
people are more ready to forgive an edgy joke if it makes them laugh, or it is at the expense of the child molester
aka BuckeyedBear34
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-George Patton
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-Aristotle
I think you have it backwards
Daniel Tosh has a comedy show on comedy central and everyone knows he is a comedian because he made so many jokes like that in a public sphere that he developed large enough following to get a show.
Brilliant reasoning. I can't wait to hear Barack Obama in the 2012 debates with rape and abuse jokes
“My fellow Americans. I am going to beat Romney/Gingrich worse than Chris Brown on Rihanna! YES WE CAN!”
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by SSreporters on Dec 7, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You are comparing a UFC fighter to the President of the United States?
Yes, I’m comparing them to comedians…but still.
For the record, if Obama made a joke about any subject, I’d be cool, because it’s a joke.
I know plenty of people would feel offended…but plenty of people feel a little bit too much.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
by Chris Groves on Dec 7, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
You also said "so can every other fucking person"
Implying that it’s fair game for anyone to make that joke.
It might sound funny (and better written) if it came from Stephen Colbert but there would be an epic shitstorm if it came from someone like the President of the US or anyone who is a public figure and probably isn’t a part of Hollywood.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
And I'm saying there shouldn't be
Humor is humor.
Yes, there comes a point where humor isn’t needed…or it it being used solely as a tool of disrespect.
But I don’t like to really say ‘Well, a fighter can’t joke about this, but a comedian can, but the president cant’’
So what if a fighter isn’t the best at telling jokes….I’m not going to get up in arms if a comedian can’t throw up a decent triangle.
I don’t know….maybe I’m just not into the whole ‘double standards’ thing. I know society in general has this mindset where some people can say certain things and some can’t…and I think it’s pretty bogus.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
by Chris Groves on Dec 7, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's absolutely ridiculous
Context, delivery and audience are a huge part of why any joke has ever been funny to anyone. Daniel Tosh on Tosh.0 is speaking specifically to an audience that has a taste and affinity to blue collar, low brow comedy. Rashad is speaking to fight fans and the MMA media. On top of that, Tosh is a PROFESSIONAL comedian, he understands the importance of wording and delivery of inappropriate jokes in a way Rashad never will. The situations are no where near congruent or even vaguely similar.
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The Season 1 Blow the Staff CHAMPION!
The Season 2, 3 and 4 Cat Molesting CHAMPION!
The reigning and defending Transgendered S&M CHAMPION!
And the soon to be Ugly-Ass Ben Saunders Shirt Buying CHAMPION!
I agree
but just kinda. I have no problem with a boxer, mma fighter or any other athlete being non pc, mainly due to them being entertainers and by that alone their core demographic consists of normal people who drop “fbombs” and things of that nature. But I do feel that it definitely wouldn’t be ok for the president, mayor, governor or preacher to casually make jokes about rape and domestic abuse…at least not in a public setting. I mean if Obama was at the house and he just joked to Michelle that he was gonn beat her like Chris did Riri if she burned his burgers, or how Ike did Tina and she laughed, I have no problem with that at all. But by them being politcal figures or what have you, they’re held to a higher standard than just “ordinary” people.
True story, my gf’s preacher was trying to get her number, but he’s a preacher…who has a wife at home. If that was just a regular guy at Wendy’s I wouldn’t have gave two shits because his job is to put salt on the fries, BUT a preacher’s job is to speak the word and try to instill a sense of morals in his followers, how the fuck can you do that when you’re blatantly being immoral? He’s held to a higher standard. Her argument was similar to yours, “well he’s just a man”, that’s true and all, but he’s a man who’s in the position of power to sway a person’s thoughts and/or ideas simply based on what he says on a Sunday morning.
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Obama is a funny motherfucker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mzJhvC-8E
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Probably shouldn't, but...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/in-major-gaffe-obama-forgets-to-dumb-it-down,26820/
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
"Feeling too much"
Right up there with “thinking too much” on the list of tried-and-true cop-outs by people unwilling to own up to their own hypocrisy.
Nobody’s saying rape is a forbidden topic that can’t be used in humor. It can, and has, by many people.
How Rashad used it, however, was stupid and indefensible. He compared the potential beating that Phil Davis, 205 lb. professional fighter, was going to receive to the sexual assault inflicted on adolescent boys by a grown man in a position of power and influence. 1:1.
What’s more, he thought that out beforehand. It means he gave some honest, focused thought to it. So it can’t be dismissed as an unthinking, off-the-cuff misquote.
Want to make a joke about genocide? I’m open to it. Point out that more people are concerned with American Idol results than the daily suffering across whole swaths of Africa. Put an intelligent and witty spin on it and I’ll laugh. But I’m not laughing at or denigrating genocide. I’m laughing at the hypocrisy of unthinking people. That’s the difference.
"The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?" -Anonymous
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
If South Park can joke about it FOUR FUCKING DAYS afterwards
Anyone can joke about it.
by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Dec 7, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
South Park joked about the people making jokes about it.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Using South Park as a standard of decency is the worst thing about people who grew up with South Park.
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
South Park is one of the most brilliant shows to ever be created.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a rec.
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
by Avap on Dec 8, 2011 7:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This completely misses the point.
No one is saying you can’t joke about it. We’re saying you shouldn’t. You’re also committing an appeal to authority fallacy.
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
Rashad needed to jeer back after the comment about his chin. Being a fighter that sounds like a huge negative jab thrown your way, especially coming from Jon Jones who he has a beef with. He needed the last word, and said a dumb joke. Who’s getting pissed at the crowd and Dana laughing and smiling? I don’t see anyone.
Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. - Bruce Lee
When did
comedy become a bullet proof vest against indecency?
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by David Castillo on Dec 7, 2011 10:03 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Stop posting
Follow @DavidCastilloAC
by David Castillo on Dec 7, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
No
It was a joke. If it does not appeal to you, then don’t talk about it. Be the bigger man and ignore it. Sitting here whining is getting us nowehere
Actually
The more people complain about other people in positions of prominence acting like feral animals, changes happens. Change, mind you, away from being a feral animal.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 7, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Okay Superman
Stir up a media storm and have Reshad apoligize. Still won’t get us anywhere in my oppinion. If it was so wrong an unfunny, then how come everybody up there was laughing their asses off?
I don't care if he apologizes
I don’t even care if he thinks kids who get molested deserve it. I don’t care if he and his friends laugh and laugh about kids getting mouthfucked.
Just don’t talk about it in his professional life in front of corporate partners.
It’s not necessary, there’s a huge potential cost, the joke (such as it was) sucked and Chael Sonnen was a billion times funnier without ever having to resort to kid rape.
For you to say Chael is funnier...wow...
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
The point is everybody up there and in the crowd was laughing. That’s the problem, rape jokes are pretty common in society. It was a jab at Phil Davis, hit him right at home. I didn’t think the joke was funny(bing a PSU fan) but it was pretty funny seeing Davis’s reaction.
Blast Reshad all you want, the joke was tasteless, i’m sure he regrets it. But people say dumb things in the heat of a moment. Sure he does not endorse child molestation, i mean he had his kid up there 10 seconds ago. Just let it go. Ignoring it would be much better then having this.
I come here for MMA, not liberal lessons. If i wanted those, i’d go to ESPN. Look at that site, it’s terrible since Disney bought it and liberled the fuck out of it. Come on man…bring some MMA news here. Reshad telling a bad joke is not news to me.
the heat or the moment?!?!
It was a fucking conference call! He was probably eating Golden Grahams when he wasn’t being questioned. there is no heat in that moment.
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to Bloody Elbow
I just wanted to take a moment to say “hi” and “bye”, because the oddsmakers have you as a -1200 favorite to get banned before Christmas.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Dec 7, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
i was at work
cancel my comment.I thought it was conference call
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Liberaled? So, addressing matters of decency is now a liberalization of this site. Sorry, that’s fucking nuts. This is an MMA news and commentary site. An editorial opinion is exactly what this article is and what the sport needs otherwise the sport would go unchecked. That is the role of media and journalism in general. You have the right to disagree with this opinion but it still is a valid one and trying to squelch it by calling it “liberalism” is an incredibly ridiculous, myopic point of view.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 7, 2011 10:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
I gotta say, I am far to the right politically, and disagree with a lot of the sentiment on this
site. But I agree here, some things are just off limits. Intelligent humans need to show some respect and class when it counts.
by Skoobs on Dec 7, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Irony:
Intelligence and count in the same sentence! Someone will get it…
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing this guy is involved
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
lulz, nope.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Someone in Northern England, I imagine.
But I’m no “that guy”.
"The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?" -Anonymous
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
yep
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody made you read the article, nobody made you comment.
You felt the urge to get your $.02 in, just like everyone else. Trying to limit the content and the conversation of this website (which has developed a distinct voice in the few years I’ve read it) is pretty stupid.
If the content isn’t for you, go somewhere else. It seems to be the direction you’re talking yourself into, so more power to you. Bye.
"The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?" -Anonymous
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think it should be
In selling a product there should be more public that mirror those that individuals have in private. A single forum is better for the marketplace of ideas than having an “appropriate” public forum and then a separate private forum where people can speak unrestrained.
you mean like BE and Mania?
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To act like making
a dumb joke is the same as condoning rape, or saying that kids deserve it is so freaking dumb, I don’t have words.
I smoke on the mic like Smokin' Joe Frazier
Really?
“Chael Sonnen was a billion times funnier without ever having to resort to kid rape.” But he resorts to so, so many other fucked up things. He makes comments in poor taste about an entire culture on multiple occasions, he’s chauvinistic (see: Arianny and Mrs. Silva), along with a host of other low-brow topics.
Wow.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Because they lack a basic sense of empathy or human decency.
Next question.
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
Since it was comedy
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
by Chris Groves on Dec 7, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you
that explains nothing.
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by David Castillo on Dec 7, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Newsflash
Jokes aren’t meant to be taken seriously
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
by Chris Groves on Dec 7, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Not familiar with satire?
The Machiavellian.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yes
I missed all of the deep satiricial underpinnings of Rashad’s statement.
I HATE Rashad…but come on…this is nothing to get worked up about.
and I don’t want to hear ‘rape is nothing to get worked up about?’
Rashad wasn’t making rape comments or condoning it in any way…he made a joke….J-O-K-E, joke.
If you don’t find it funny, fine…but it’s not like he was praising rape in any way, shape, or form….only to LATER try and cop out by saying he was joking.
Not pointed directly at you, just the topic in general.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
by Chris Groves on Dec 7, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
No, he is right.
I’m going to jail now, because I heard Rashad’s comments and immediately went out and raped somebody but I stopped thinking it was abhorrent. You know, just like how I murdered somebody after playing a violent video game.
by Warbreezy on Dec 7, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
Point... missed...
Besides, language matters. What you call something affects how it’s thought about.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
The point isn't missed
It is completely stupid to assert that joking about a subject in anyway diminishes how disgusting people view it to be. I’ve laugh at all sorts of horrible jokes about rape and pedophilia but it doesn’t make me think that rape is any less of a vile act.
by Warbreezy on Dec 7, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Nonsense.
Joking about something is a way to undermine it’s power. Imagine old people telling racists jokes to belittle minorities – it’s a way to dehumanize them. Why do you think China bans any comic who targets the state?
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
You're missing importance of context to comedy.
A racist joke told by racists is offensive because the intention of the racists is to derive humor from belittling minorities. If somebody who isn’t racist makes a racist joke, the humor is derived from the shock and inappropriateness of the material. Any perceptive, intelligent human being can tell that the second type of joke isn’t meant to be an endorsement of racism.
Let’s hypothetically change the subject matter of Rashad’s joke. Let’s say he said “Im gonna put hands on you like a fat kid in a candy shop.” Would you accuse him of mocking childhood obesity? Of course you wouldn’t because you know he isn’t doing that. It’s just that the rape is such and emotionally charged subject that you can’t help but exaggerate or ignore context.
by Warbreezy on Dec 7, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly. Rashad said he would behave worse than a man who butt-fucked boys.
He is clearly free to say that. It’s his privilege. I’m saying it was a moronic thing to do.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
But it's blatantly dishonest to spin that in a way that asserts he condones rape.
He’s saying that he is going to brutalize Phil. It’s like saying you’re going rape somebody when you’re playing a video game. You’re not literally going to find them in real and sexually assault them.
I know what he was trying to say...
…but forcing him to the logical extension of his words would have highlighted the complete idiocy of what he said. Turn his words against him. That is funny.
So, Mr. Evans, you would behave worse than a boy butt-fucker? What exactly would you do?
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Taking things to their logical conclusion makes sense with what Rashad said.
“That guy who worked at your school did something really bad to a lot of other human beings. I’m gonna do something bad to you when we are locked in a cage and told to fight.”
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I got that he was going to rape & sodomize Phil in-ring.
He compared himself to Sandusky – simply KOing Phil wouldn’t be enough to outdo him, as he bragged. I think forcing Rashad to explain what he planned to do, and then keep telling him it doesn’t match the boast would have been funny.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Phil said he wouldn't be able to get hands on him.
Rashad replied with a a topical quip that degraded an institution very close to Phil while also asserting that he would be physically dominant and prevail in their fight. All in the heat of a verbal exchange in front of a significant audience. Sure, the execution could have been better (as demonstrated by what commenters have come up with) but I gotta give Rashad credit for what was a pretty solid retort considering he gets punched in the head for a living.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Dec 7, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The intent was spot on.
His delivery sucked, we could say.
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
he said hands on him
not hands in him
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Eh. Maybe.
That delivery was key, and he flubbed it, and it came out much worse than it should have been. I mean, Phil Davis has lost me as a fan, and I want Rashad to brutalize him, no doubt. If Evans were to grab the mic after winning and say, “I’ll fuck up anyone who defends Paterno or Sandusky!”, I’ll laugh & cheer my head off.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
his delivery was fine
People that were offended by it are going out of their way to say that their interpretation is the right one.
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
That works, as long as the end state is the same.
What’s that? One ended with sexually abused adolescents and the other with a 205 lb. MMA fighter getting beaten up?
“Really bad” is a very thin veneer on dramatically different situations.
"The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?" -Anonymous
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
true
but to use a specific case of a specific person molesting children is low. that doesn’t mean he condones rape, it just means it was a tasteless thing to do at a press conference.
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- Jaron Namir
by Victor Rodriguez on Dec 7, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Which was my point
It’s fine to say that something is tasteless or not funny. However, it’s idiotic to say that anybody finds the act of raping somebody to be hilarious.
You'd be surprised.
There are people who enjoy that sort of thing.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Enjoy what?
If anybody enjoys raping people, or find actual cases of rape funny, they’re a sociopath and their opinion has no place in this discussion. The opinion stated in the original post was that making jokes about rape or pedophilia somehow diminishes the seriousness of those actions. I can’t think of a situation in which a joke would actually make somebody think that rape or pedophilia were less vile or disgusting.
by Warbreezy on Dec 7, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1) Some people enjoy rape.
2) Jokes can diminish power. If society said it is ok to make jokes against the victims of rape, how would that not distort how we see rape? (I’m not saying everyone does that, I’m just using an extreme example to highlight my point).
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, and in your context, you're completely ignoring an actual segment of the populace that counters your claim.
That’s cherry-picking. I’m not going to make Aryan-themed, anti-Semitic jokes and then defend myself by saying that the existence of skinheads doesn’t count.
"The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?" -Anonymous
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
In part I agree & in part I disagree. What Rashad said was way out of bounds & obscene, but then so are movies that make millions off of rape scenes or murder. Or even music that is purely violence driven. There was a wise man who had a good quote for this type of behavior of judging a guy like Rashad yet promoting other things much worse or on equal term in a lot of senses.
“straining out gnats to swallow camels”
A violent sport is going to propagate violent speech. Trying to be politically correct & say giving a guy a broken nose or broken arm for entertainment doesn’t mingle well with perfumey fake talk. They try to beat each other physically & verbally it will be no difference than a prison scene. I respect the horror of what he said but brain damage & broken limbs aren’t what children want to see on their parents either.
Rome wasn't built in a day, but the backyards of Sodom were destroyed in a night
I have an advanced theological doctorate from the university of Bill O'Reilly technology institute, I can say whatever I want
I have no problem with sex, violence, or rape, so long as it's not gratuitous.
Irreversible is an absurdly violent film – Monica Bellucci is anally raped in a subway, so her husband kills the (wrong) guy with a fire extinguisher. Yet not of it feels like it’s there for titillation. It makes sense. As violent as The Wire is, it all fits together. Rashad’s threatened DAvis with something worse than butt-fucking boys. That’s pretty unnecessary. He could have made a much better joke on that topic, as others have suggested here.
Disagree on the “wise man”, too, but that’s a different topic altogether…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
If it is within the context of a story or an art piece, then yes.
It is a very thin line to walk, though.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Although it can usually be written out of the story, showing it can add to the story.
See: A Clockwork Orange
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Straw Dogs (the Peckinpah original)
I'm all out of bubblegum
by some schmuck in texas on Dec 7, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Sometimes less is more; and restrain, not for moralistic purposes, works much better.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, that scene makes the film what is it in a lot of ways.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
BTW, there is something interestingly meta about that movie. When it was first screened you had a lot of people walk out and remove themselves to the situation. Just like the character that witnessed the rape and decided to leave and remove himself from the situation.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn't her husband.
It was the friend.
I’m bored and would rather talk about movies than rape at the moment.
Ah. It's been a while. Thanks.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I never said that Rashad was being satirical - rather, satire is a genre of comedy/jokes that means to be taken seriously.
The catch is that he said he would be worse than a child rapist. I have no problem making fun of rapists, mind you. The Catholic Church is a bete noir to me for that reason.
I make offensive jokes – I make jokes about Pedobear – but I understand the context of what I do, and a high-profile press conference isn’t the right place. Rashad’s joke was dumb, but I find Torres’s joke worse. I find Davis’s defense of Paterno the worst, though. Fuck that.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Since people forgot the difficulty of being as good as Bruce, Carlin, Hicks, or Louis CK.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
And as soon as Rashad hangs up his 4 ounce gloves and goes on the road as a comic he can enjoy the latitude comics receive. Comics, going back centuries, have the job of lampooning and satirizing society. Rashad is not a comic. He’s an athlete, and under the guise of athletics, the young children Sandusky abused deserve his respect, sympathy and restraint, not his poor attempts at comedy at their expense.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 7, 2011 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, as long as you have passed the test for your comic liscence, anything goes
If you haven’t been trained as a professional comic, don’t try humor. Remember kids, humor is dangerous. People on the internet said so!
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Don’t be stupid. These are public figures dealing with extremely sensitive subjects not a bunch of frat buddies having a beer. There’s a big fucking difference.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 8, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They are prize-fighters,
promoting a fight in a cage. So not exactly your run of the mill politician or CEO or other “public figure dealing with extremely sensitive subjects.”
Big effing difference.
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They're grown men in the 21st century.
Not that big a difference.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
So, always innappropriate at all times?
at least for adults living today? Or just innappropriate for “public figures”, whatever the hell that means?
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Same standards. I actually don't agree with memitim's point about comedic latitude, everyone should be judged evenly.
Just like anyone on BE. If you type something stupid or offensive, and I call you on it, don’t come back with some excuse like “layoff bro, I’m a (college student/veterinarian/longshoreman/panhandler), not a comedian!”
We all get held to the same standards. That seems pretty sensible.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 8, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I was responding to folks who did make that distinction.
and I don’t see what sense it makes myself. Context does matter, but promoting a prizefight just isn’t the same as speaking at a church-service.
As a fan of prize-fighting, I just don’t seem to be able to get up the dudgeon to condemn someone over a fairly tame joke like that.
I smoke on the mic like Smokin' Joe Frazier
I’m sure the kids and their parents don’t find any joke about what happened to them “tame”. That’s bullshit.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 8, 2011 3:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And?
There are far, far worse jokes out there. Mostly what stands out about Rashad’s is that it was off-the-cuff, and so not all that great.
Seriously though, he made a joking remark about his opponent in a cage-fight for money—said opponent being a defender of PSU/Paterno—about beating him worse than PSU.
The controversy here is manufactured.
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Yeah, manufactured. That’s why Dana went out of his way to say that it was the dumbest thing someone could say. Even Dana gets it and spoke up about it. But, keep defending it. Good job.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
Dana doing his job
doesn’t mean it isn’t a tempest in a teapot.
I’m moving on from this.
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Good. Because you’re wrong.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
Since I was the one to bring up louis ck in the other thread
let me go ahead and point out that the intent of his comedy routine about rape was not to trivialize it. It was to say
a – I’m not a rapist and don’t want to be because that’s a horrible thing to do to someone
b – The more closely you examine rape, the more you see the horror of the action.
c – when you try to justify rape, you sound stupid, ridiculous and cruel.
If Rashad’s half-assed wisecrack accomplished any of those things, I didn’t notice it.
I'm all out of bubblegum
by some schmuck in texas on Dec 7, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
furthermore
I’m noone’s idea of a comedy genius, but you can talk shit about his school and reference the scandal and have the last laugh without trivializing the rape of children. Here, let me show you.
“Phil, I’mma do to you what they NEED to do to that kid-fucker Sandusky…”
I'm all out of bubblegum
by some schmuck in texas on Dec 7, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
A-FUCKIN-MEN
Beautiful. It hammers to Phil that he defended Paterno, and Paterno defended a child rapist, and still threatens Phil without being at the expense of the kids.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
You win
If Rashad had said that, I probably would have bought a t-shirt.
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by Rundownloser on Dec 7, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
I have a serious question
When you hear a joke about rape, do you suddenly think it is less disgusting of a crime?
You could turn that around too. What is so bad about indecency? It can actually be pretty funny.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 7, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever laughed, dude?
Comedy is created by indecency and the upsetting of an expected norm. When somebody falls, it’s funny because you didn’t expect it to happen. And when a comedian says something you considered to be out of bounds, it’s even funnier precisely because you didn’t expect it. These guys are entertainers when it comes to fight week and promoting themselves, and I think you are taking Rashad’s comments far too seriously. They were obviously insincere and meant to offend in the way that South Park is meant to offend.
You can't...
It’s just like, your opinion, dude…
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by Danthemmaman on Dec 8, 2011 7:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I've been a huge Rashad fan since the beginning ...
… and I’ve met Rashad, his family, and his coaches (although not the current group except for Mike Van Arsdale, who I have met) multiple times, so maybe I’m more “qualified” to speak about him than just about everyone else on here.
My take on this is that Rashad hasn’t been “right” since Lyoto Machida KO’d him; and I in fact had a premonition back then that he was going to split with Greg Jackson: There was a lot of innuendo going back and forth about the gameplan right after the Machida fight; plus he never started talking like this pre-fight until he fought Rampage (he was nothing but respectful toward Chuck, Forrest and Machida). And Jackson’s right-hand man Mike Winklejohn had a lot to say about the changes in Rashad during this period right after he did leave Jackson’s.
I also know all about the situation at American Top Team that caused Jorge Santiago, the Villeforts, Gesias Cavalcante etc. to leave and form the camp Rashad joined about two weeks later. It is a case of Rashad laying down with dogs and waking up with fleas.
I am very concerned about Rashad right now. He is well on his way to imploding his whole career and ending up fighting for the kind of promotions that guys like Jeremy Horn and Jens Pulver are now with.
Rashad, if only after you said, “Im joking, Me and Phil like to have fun”
by yellopanda on Dec 7, 2011 10:06 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
While I understand the purpose of the article. I disagree with it. The only thing we share as a community is our love for MMA. Other than that we may not share any other values.
Also, it’s stuff like that that gets people interested sometimes. A statement that catches people’s ears and makes headlines (For good or bad reasons). Fights need these sort of bombastic statements to catch someone’s ear, if not for these outrageous statements some people just wouldn’t pay attention.
IMO, it was a good zinger, but I don’t make much of it. Just a quotable throwaway one-liner.
by IRodC on Dec 7, 2011 10:09 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I agree with you about the values thing. I don’t think “we” have any certain values and it’s pretentious to act otherwise. I’m certainly not going to subscribe to the idea that we have to be morally upright about even the slightest possibly of inappropriate jokes and comments. Things will be pretty damn boring and uptight if we have to go around forcing ourselves to absolute decency all of the time. It’s not a big deal, it wasn’t super funny but I thought it was a fairly clever reference only because of Davis previous support of that coach guy. It’s not a big deal.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 7, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I think
it was a tasteless comment by Rashad.. To use children being molested to trash talk another fighter was low rent… Rashad showed himself to be a clown today… too bad…
Thanks for posting this David…
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A big deal was made about Forrest's joke
and absolutely nothing came of it. Tasteless? Yes. Will it cause problems for the sport? Absolutely not. Much like the article about Forrest, this one is an overreaction at best.
by thievesdont on Dec 7, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I bet, behind the scenes, Dana told him to shut the hell up with those "jokes".
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Are you stupid?
NPR even did a segment on it. And he wound up apologizing, donated to a rape crisis center and I bet you my mortgage won’t make a stupid ass rape joke in public ever again, thereby saving himself and the sport unnecessary embarrassment or unwanted attention.
Nothing came of it? You’re living in a van down by the river, player. Wake up.
by Luke Thomas on Dec 7, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
I've missed you in the comments.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Did it cause people to walk away from the sport? Did it make them lose ratings or anything like that? I’m willing to bed not at all. In the wide spectrum of MMA this, nor Griffin’s situation will do anything to set it back.
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 7, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Dec 7, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
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by Damon O. on Dec 7, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by DirtyML on Dec 7, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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So it looks like some old guy just slapped John Oates.
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by glib_mf on Dec 8, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You my friend have a great sense of humor!
by Fedornuthugger on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
It was in at least one Chicago paper today.
Front page of the sports section in the Red Eye (free commuter paper), and it was the most prominently featured part of the spread on that press conference.
Anyone who takes the train or a bus to work in the city will have the opportunity to read this.
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Rashad is a Grown Man
living in America. Free speech is a constitutional right. That does not mean it wasn’t a terribly stupid, innapropriate, and insensitive comment. He as an employee of Zuffa is put in a position of responsibility, especially with their first official event on FOX. His comments are going to draw an immense amount of negative scrutiny towards himself and the UFC. All this during a time when the UFC is teetering on the edge of going mainstream or not. You would think as a person that has been made a multi-millionaire by the UFC Rashad would do things to help them in their fight for acceptance instead of doing things to hurt them. The UFC doesn’t ask much of their fighters, I sure don’t think it’s too much of them to think that their employees could be smart enough not to do things like this. As a grown man, a father, and a husband Rashad knows better. This comment will stick with him for the rest of his career and is sure not something he wants to carry with him along with the rest of the terribly stupid things he has said in the past.
Rashad is a Grown Man
living in America. Free speech is a constitutional right
This doesn’t mean shit in the real world.
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You're both wrong. And ignorant,
The first amendment refers solely to ones liberty to say what they want without government persecution. As there’s absolutely no government involvement regarding the judgement of Rashad’s statement, it has zero applicability in this argument.
There’s is absolutely no law, in modern US legislature, that grants anyone the right to say something stupid without criticism. In fact, any such law, would be in direct violation of the First Amendment.
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by Fedornuthugger on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
It was a stupid fucking thing to say.
The End.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:18 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
This is all that really needs to be said
Not some blown-up piece about how we collectively don’t have compassion for people.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 7, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that people are completely defending Rashad seems to indicate it needs saying.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
people defend a lot of defenseless shit
that is why i dont have a problem with the article.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
No, it doesn't
People are going to say whatever they’re going to say no matter what. This only encourages them. We give power to words, not vice versa. Power— given.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 7, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
The power was give to Rashad when he had the platform of a public press conference to say something like that
It’s not like he said it in his own home with no one around to listen.
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I usually fall on the other side of this line
but in context while watching the conference live, I laughed. Not an uncomfortable laugh, but a “Aw shit, Phil tried to talk some trash and Rashad upped his game.”
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I like that Rashad went for the Penn State connection...
…I didn’t like that it seemed to be at the expense of the kids. some schmuck in texas had a better line than Rashad.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
my point was totally that we should all hold hands, and exchange bro hugs. Fucking hell…
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by David Castillo on Dec 7, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
More rash generalizing
Keep writing dude, you’re awesome.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 7, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Just because you have the right to say something
That doesn’t mean that you should. Situations like this always reaffirm my opinion that people are stupid.
Aimed at the crotch...
by Damon O. on Dec 7, 2011 10:18 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
hiding behind the 1st Amendment in situations like this embarrassing.
This isn’t a free speech issue. It is a respect and decency issue.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm waiting for a
“That’s the dumbest comment I have heard today” from Luke
I guess it;s coming in 3-2-1…
I've never been overly impressed by Rashad's humor
most of his jokes is on the school yard level and based mostly around calling someone gay, so this idiocy hardly surprises me…
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I still think you are black.
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Judging by a lot of opinions expressed today...
…the idea of what comedy is has become fairly vague and quite cheap. Guys, smiling when you say something doesn’t mean you are a comedian. It means you say nasty shit that makes you and those associated with you look like scummy idiots.
This is a little stream of consciousness, but here we go...
I feel very conflicted on this topic. On the one hand, I want comedy to be free to exist in all subjects, especially the most heinous. Humor is a very unique element of humanity, one that can fill a void where all other forms of communication fail. To say that comedy has no place in any area of human existence is prima facie troubling if not downright problematic.
On the other hand, a whole buncha folk defend this crap with the tired, “It’s just a joke, you can’t judge it.” That line of logic renders everything a joke. If everything is funny, then nothing is funny.
There’s that joke, “Would you sleep with me for a a billion dollars? (Yes) How about a dollar? (No, you think I’m a whore?) We’ve established what you are, now we’re just quibbling over price.” Similarly I worry about leaving the door open for morality to confine humor.
Ultimately, the metric I have used in the past is this: the determining factor for whether a joke is okay, is if it is funny. That said, funny is not an objective binary standard. Something is funny on an individual level, which takes into account a whole host of other factors, leaving the burden extremely high on the joke teller. I don’t know how to reconcile this, though I suspect that there isn’t a way. It would be too serious.
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by Rundownloser on Dec 7, 2011 10:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think Rashad wasn't that funny except for attack Davis close to his heart. There were also better jokes to be made about it.
But it wasn’t that creative, and he compared himself to a guy who butt-fucked young boys. That’s generally not a good idea.
I mean, Bill Hicks does a routine celebrating Hitler for trying to eliminate all the stupid people… he then turns it around to get the crowd back on his side. That’s master comedy. Rashad… didn’t…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
also, i think a follow up question of "what acts would you do to Phil that are worse?" was warranted.
I am oddly curious to what his answer would have been
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
It was remarkably unfunny
Not only was it unfunny in terms of content, but also in terms of structure (it sounded like he was gonna rape Davis extra hard the first time I read it, which is to say it radically failed to convey his message).
Still, on the more abstract question of standards of “funniness” is interesting to me. I don’t think it is an objective standard (though some factors like timing seem to manifest themselves at higher levels than the individual), and if the article is about establishing a moral standard, I don’t think it can be done. Ultimately, I wonder if anything can be said outside of why something was or wasn’t funny to you.
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by Rundownloser on Dec 7, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to spend my academic career analyzing humor. But I also want to be employed.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
My silly dream would leave me penniless as well. Unfortunately, that hasn’t stopped me from pursuing it.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Dec 7, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
supposedly this is from Mark Twain - no idea if that's accurate
“Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog – it’s easy to do, but the frog dies.”
I'm all out of bubblegum
by some schmuck in texas on Dec 7, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard that's by E.B. White. Awesome quote, too.
One of my closest friends has a degree in rhetoric & linguistics, so I force him to listen to stand-up and analyse it for me.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
not Benny Hill?
I'm all out of bubblegum
by some schmuck in texas on Dec 7, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. If you’re going to joke about a touchy subject, it has to be funny. Otherwise it’s going to be hurtful or awkward or just plain distasteful.
This also means that 98% of people need to leave the rape jokes alone, because they’re just not fucking funny. This includes Rashad.
Humor is subjective at the end of the day, so who is the judge of quality?
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Whoever hears it
If a lot of people laugh, that’s cool. If a lot of people don’t laugh, oh well. Apologize for your inappropriate joke and move on. Or don’t apologize, whatever.
Disappointed to hear this from Rashad
He has grown on me as a fighter and personality in the past 2 years, but this recent personality swing is so obvious. The Tito trash talk, and now this, he’s reaching to try to build the fight and this is across the line.
I enjoy the most vile and crude humor out there but this recent story of Sandusky makes me sick to my stomach. When I read the words ‘anal intercourse’, I literally cringed. I’m scared what I would do to the man who did that to my child. How Rashad didn’t learn from Forrest is beyond me.
lol.
people are so funny.
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It was a very stupid joke that wasn’t funny. We all say stupid stuff all the time (read most comments on any board) yet we do not have a mic in front of us.
People saying we have a right to free speech because of the First Amendment are wrong. Free speech shall not be infringed by the government. It does not mean not repercussion from your employer.
i thought it was funny
and as much as i love mma, were talking about a sport where guys train to beat each other up. how mature and politically correct do you expect most of these men to be?
So Rashad couldn't find a babysitter?
Hopefully the UFC won’t allow kids at press conferences anymore….that was painful!
Rashads shot at humor was pathetic and an epic fail.
More MMA Media should listen to Rogan's podcast
He’d probably be fired by now.
Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. - Bruce Lee
that is his podcast that is not affiliated with the UFC
so since it is his own thing, he can say whatever he wants.
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Does that honestly mean anything to the people in higher positions i.e. Fox?
Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find a way round or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. - Bruce Lee
Kinda, but...
Actually not. The moment people really start paying the attention we so crave into our sport, the moment Joe Rogan is gonna get reprimented. Count on it.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Considering Joe Rogan doesn’t need the UFC, I think he’s safe.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 4:21 AM EST up reply actions
He is a comedian by trade.
and acts as so.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
by Rutager on Dec 7, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's no Michael Bisping.
Irony (n.) -Michael Westbrook as the hero on Bully Beatdown.
by Jim America on Dec 7, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
OMG
Please get over it
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him that a year ago. I pulled it out of him and beat him over the head with it. [Now] I'm going to drink a Coors Light. That's right a Coors. Bud Light don't pay me nothing. I may even get on top of my wife tonight," Brock Lesnar.
by IcyAbyss on Dec 7, 2011 10:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
OMG???
This is no place for tweeners.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
it all comes down to taste, i love me some dark humor. If any of these 3 guys would have said it i would have laughed
I treat Rashad the same when he is making a joke. Nowhere does he condone what happened, it is just a joke
Mark Hunt's Special Move: Oceanic Heritage! Years ago someone told Polynesian DNA that everyone was surrounded by sea monsters and it believed them. It made humans that were immune to head injuries, fast enough to run on the highway, and big enough to use the carpool lane. Putting two of them in the same ring is like telling your local tectonic plates to fuck themselves.
"I said ‘let me tell you, you’re one punch away from being worth zero’ and I was wrong, he was one triangle choke away from being worth zero." - Dana on Fedor
"Guillard told the commission he used cocaine on March 30 and expected it to be out of his system by the time he stepped into the Octagon"
by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Dec 7, 2011 10:48 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Christopher Titus is underrated.
My problem is that the joke seemed to be at the expense of the victims of Sandusky. There’s ways to make that same joke that didn’t do that.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
If the joke was something like
“I’mma destroy you so bad your reputation will be worse than Penn State.” then I think that’s brilliant.
His delivery sucks and the joke wasn’t really funny.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
by SSreporters on Dec 7, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Perfect.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Or “I’m gonna give you a taste of the kind of beating your boy Sandusky is gonna get in the yard.” Especially since Phil has been defending JoePa.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 7, 2011 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So the problem with the joke
was that if it was better crafted it would have been fine?
The problem with the joke was that it alluded to the actual rape acts themselves and that Rashad would be performing them on Davis. Please tell me you see the difference.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i see the difference
it is an arbitrary difference. and i think both jokes are appropriate.
It is as far from arbitrary as it could be. I think the victims would be able to tell the difference.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That joke would be terrible and there is no way for it to be delivered funny
It’s a 90’s style joke that went out with In Living Color
“Ima….So Bad…..your…. lame in 2011
I’m not resting until I’m officially Anderson Silva status.- Jon "Bones" Jones
That was corny.
“Ima put more hands on you than a Penn State football coach” is a funny thing for a fighter to say.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 3:48 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It really is
It was a really good comeback.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
none of them would have made that joke
they were funny
aka BuckeyedBear34
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
by T.P. Grant on Dec 7, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
good point lol
Mark Hunt's Special Move: Oceanic Heritage! Years ago someone told Polynesian DNA that everyone was surrounded by sea monsters and it believed them. It made humans that were immune to head injuries, fast enough to run on the highway, and big enough to use the carpool lane. Putting two of them in the same ring is like telling your local tectonic plates to fuck themselves.
"I said ‘let me tell you, you’re one punch away from being worth zero’ and I was wrong, he was one triangle choke away from being worth zero." - Dana on Fedor
"Guillard told the commission he used cocaine on March 30 and expected it to be out of his system by the time he stepped into the Octagon"
by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
THEY ARE COMEDIANS!!!!!!
They would have been ashamed that some jock even tried to enter their craft.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
by Rutager on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
why this is such a hard thing for people to grasp i have no fucking idea
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
people assume that since they make their friends laugh
or get an LOL on the forums that they could get into the business.
nobody is better than walking that line between funny and offensive that the pros, and for every pro there are 100 guys like Rashad who have no sense of that line. Even the “edgiest” comedians know where the line is, in fact they know better than most.
aka BuckeyedBear34
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
"The complete man must work, study and wrestle."
-Aristotle
by T.P. Grant on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
not to mention
HE IS NOT A FUCKING COMEDIAN! HE IS A FUCKING FIGHTER!
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd like to see the standards chart for that.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Mark Hunt's Special Move: Oceanic Heritage! Years ago someone told Polynesian DNA that everyone was surrounded by sea monsters and it believed them. It made humans that were immune to head injuries, fast enough to run on the highway, and big enough to use the carpool lane. Putting two of them in the same ring is like telling your local tectonic plates to fuck themselves.
"I said ‘let me tell you, you’re one punch away from being worth zero’ and I was wrong, he was one triangle choke away from being worth zero." - Dana on Fedor
"Guillard told the commission he used cocaine on March 30 and expected it to be out of his system by the time he stepped into the Octagon"
by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Dec 7, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Common sense makes a rare appearance.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 7, 2011 10:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Common sense is not so common."
Voltaire
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nice!
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 7, 2011 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, when will we learn?
Jokes are the sole province of comedians!
I smoke on the mic like Smokin' Joe Frazier
by jhf884 on Dec 8, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Who gives a shit?
Just because they’re comedians they’re the only ones allowed to say certain things? Rashad didn’t go outside of mma and attempt to put on a 50 minute standup routine. He made a witty, one line comment in response to what another fighter said to him. They’re fighters, they talk shit back and forth. That’s similar to a random guy just walking up to Carlos Mencia and punching the shit out of him while someone yells “Carlos, don’t fight back just turtle up! You’re a comedian, not a professional figher!”
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Titus has become WAYYYYY too preachy for my taste these days.
Replace him with Bill Hicks and you have the 3 horseman of dark comedy.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 7, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Norman Rockwell is Bleeding is fucking magnificent.
Also throw Lenny Bruce up there. Not as funny as the rest, but he broke the ground from which the rest flew forth.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Insert outraged comment here. Can we move on on now?
by Pillowhands on Dec 7, 2011 10:54 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions 4 recs
like the way you think brotha
Mark Hunt's Special Move: Oceanic Heritage! Years ago someone told Polynesian DNA that everyone was surrounded by sea monsters and it believed them. It made humans that were immune to head injuries, fast enough to run on the highway, and big enough to use the carpool lane. Putting two of them in the same ring is like telling your local tectonic plates to fuck themselves.
"I said ‘let me tell you, you’re one punch away from being worth zero’ and I was wrong, he was one triangle choke away from being worth zero." - Dana on Fedor
"Guillard told the commission he used cocaine on March 30 and expected it to be out of his system by the time he stepped into the Octagon"
by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Dec 7, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Are you Bisping?
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
by Rutager on Dec 7, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rashad Evans said something offensive and wrong!!
I am mad!!! He should apologize!!!! Anybody who is not mad is an awful person!!!!! This is going to hurt our sport!!!!
David Castillo, I get the feeling you’re not really the most fun guy to be around.
@allinbr
by Alpha & Omega on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Finally
a comment I can agree with.
Follow @DavidCastilloAC
by David Castillo on Dec 8, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm Matt Roth
and I approve of Rashad’s comments.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
Now I’m sure Rashad did something wrong.
by IRodC on Dec 7, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
in a related story
grass is green
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Since when???
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
my grass is purple
When I'm on the mic it goes down, CINTRON
-Joell Ortiz
by The Lethal Haze on Dec 7, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Now I know why people around here don’t like you.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
I dont do the twitter, so I do not care.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
OK
Now I get the full picture.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm not your guy, buddy!!
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm not saying that. I'm asking do you know the context
or are you being the person commenting without knowledge?
by Matthew Roth on Dec 7, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man, that was a joke I thought you would get, damn.
I did see it, and I know it was a joke.The point is not everybody knows he was joking.When you tune into a comedy show there is no doubt that its in jest.I just see no good reason for Rashad saying something like that.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
No, I know the South Park reference
But if you’re going to insult me at least be honest if you know the topic in discussion.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think I don't?
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
I don't ghink they have to be apporved perse.
But it is a weird thing b/c it was a joke, where people lauged in the audience, and then somewhere else people got outraged.
Someone should just have a serious chat with Rashad. Not a grilling, just a talk.
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
*approved
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I just want to know how many of the people that are upset
that actually watched the press conference and saw it happen. How many of you have just read it and not seen the context in which he actually said it?
This.
This is super important since the context is everything in this case.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 7, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I watched it. Thought it was funny for all the wrong reasons, and saw people laugh in there.
The joke wasn’t that good, but it still managed to piss a bunch of people off.
I wonder who are we trying to crucify here; Rashad, the people who laughed, or both.
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
This article definitely seemed to go after both
Thought it was funny for all the wrong reasons,
I didn’t feel good about laughing but it was funny to me with Phil being from PSU and the banter they had going on. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it.
As far as him being punished(which I dont think he should be), just have him make a donation to an appropriate charity and everything will be alright.
I was funny for all the wrong reasons.
rashad is trying to be a tough guy and drops teh atomic bomb ‘cause Phil is from Penn State; but for anyone even paying moderate attention, it comes across as strange b/c it seems that Rashad is telling Phil that he’s gonna rape him in the future, which has nothing to do with his macho posturing, ending up making him look like a clown.
Again, it was wrong, but I thought it was funny.
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
they were arguing about who was going to hit who. Then Rashad said the joke which imo was just saying he was going to be hitting him an awful lot. Nothing insinuating rape
that is what I got out of it too.
honestly if you watched the press conference as a whole, and not just taking this one line out of context it was gold. the best part was definitely when bisping and chael were asked about henderson’s comments regarding Anderson’s injury.
by Andy Anderson on Dec 8, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
I understand that.
All I’m saying is that it seemed that way to me.
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
I'd bet you the majority of them didn't see the press conference
They just saw your headline and it was like piranhas after a fresh carcass
You must be this guy
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
The fuck is that?
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Where do you get these wonderful toys?
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
Mega Piranha
watch it. love it.
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
That honestly makes me more uncomfortable than Rashad's stupid joke.
The word Mega should never be written before Piranha. It is a sin…
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
the movie also stars former teen pop sensation Tiffany
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Dec 7, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Amber Tiessen?
Or was she born with a single name?
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Two different people
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Pics or she does not exist.
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
OK.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Shi--
She looks like Suzanne Vega…
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
no wonder molly ringwold was so overrated with people like this to compare her to. yeah i went there.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
Don't you go there...
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
goddamn I'm old
People who have never heard of a 1 hit wonder I couldn’t avoid for love or money in high school (not that I had either love or money in high school (or now))
I'm all out of bubblegum
by some schmuck in texas on Dec 7, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
God
original SyFy movies are absolutely atrocious.
My mom and big sis love ’em though.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Atrociously AWESOME!
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
...
true.
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saddened.
The fact that this argument is taking place makes me feel that the legendary Patrice O’neal died in vain.
Really, Patrice summed up rape jokes perfectly on Fox News when asked if a joke about rape can ever be funny.
Patrice replied “I say a few. Watch my HBO special.”
The worst thing I say about what Rashad said was that it wasn’t that funny. The intent was funny but he could’ve worded it better. But, I’ll defend his right to say it.
RIP Patrice
by Steve W on Dec 7, 2011 11:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
People have a right to get outraged, I think.
But sometimes one has to wonder whether or not that outrage is reason enough to skip a discussion on the topic. Just saying “I’m outraged,” as justified as it may be, shouldn’t just be the magic needed to quiet the argument.
Patice was right.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
That is still one of my favorite things that ever aired on television. Anytime someone complains here about something a fighter said, they should have to watch that clip 100 times.
by Steve W on Dec 8, 2011 1:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Fox Business host accuses Bill Nye of ‘confusing viewers’ with science"
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I had no idea O'Neal died.
God dammit.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
November 29.
Stroke complication from diabetes, I believe.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
God dammit
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Dec 8, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Well since this is a debate about comedy in a way.
I am gonna pimp out my favorite comedian Louis C.K. has his new spacial coming out on Dec. 10th on his website for 5 bucks, if you know Louis it is worth it.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
Thanks for the tip
Big fan of Louis, even before the show (although his show is great).
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 3:49 AM EST up reply actions
Others have already expressed my opinion better than I could
So I won’t speak on this topic other than to note that the top related FanShot is bikini pics of Kenda Perez.
Spinning with the Fishes for the 2011/2012 BE Civil War. IT'S ON!
Here's the thing
There is no way that the majority of the commenters here haven’t made at least one joke about something they probably shouldn’t joke about.
People typically crack jokes within their inner circle. It’s up to figures of the sport like Rashad to know what is publicly acceptable and what is not.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
Yeah, this was pretty dumb...
It was in extremely poor taste, but at least Rashad is willing to say something to try to hype the fights.
Honestly I thought it was pretty damn funny.
It’s just a joke, if it hurt your feelings well get over it..
I think it was a stupid, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging joke. Get over it.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dear Phil Davis
I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.
by elmojo on Dec 7, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
That episode of ATHF was fucking hilarious.
I guess I condone rape now…
Anderson Silva, Edson Barboza, Jose Aldo, Charles Oliveira, Thiago Alves = Muay Thai wrecking machines!
by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Evans is just digging himself into a bigger hole
I would not come off saying I would never say anything like that because I have made jokes about the Sandusky crimes. Where Evans shows that he an idiot is that he made the joke on a public stage. And I didn’t think it was very funny anyway. He should be fined by the UFC for the comment just as Forrest should have. With the UFC going forward mainstream via being on FOX, purhaps it is time for the UFC to get their fighters and employes some sort of seminar on what is not OK to say or do via social media and public apperences much like how the NFL does something like that for their rookies.
Also, I disagree with the writer of this piece. I agree with the students in protesting Joe’s termination. It was handled about as poorly as it could have done. You don’t fire the icon of your school via a telephone call based on one person saying that they told him something at 11pm. He had to go but not that way. That is what the students of PSU were protesting.
by San Jose Sharks Fan on Dec 7, 2011 11:45 PM EST reply actions
Nah, he had to get dragged in the mud.
So what if he was a fucking icon? There are very plenty of things you can fail at in life—not telling about a child rapist is not one of them.
The Internets: Where there are no girls and men become children.
by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
They weren't protesting procedure - they wanted their precious fucking football coach back.
The Machiavellian.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 7, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Th eKool-Aid was strong on those ones.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 7, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sharkie hangs his head.
"For art to exist, for any sort of aesthetic activity to exist, a certain physiological precondition is indispensable: intoxication. ." -Friedrich Nietzsche
Rashad was paying out Phil Davis for defending Joe Paterno. He had every right to do so.
by StJustice on Dec 7, 2011 11:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Tyson has been acknowledged by society as a sociopath and Ali needed the Nation of Islam to give him security for the things he said. Rashad can take some scrutiny on this.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 8, 2011 12:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right. correct me if I'm wrong, but
Wasn’t Ali as hated as much as he was loved during his heyday?
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By white people...
and Joe Frazier.
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by John Danaher's Hair on Dec 8, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t forget Sonny Liston.
Ali was talking smack, Liston pulled a gun on Ali and started shooting…he shot blanks but Ali stopped talking and started running.
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by Guillermo Ponce on Dec 8, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Way more hated for the most part,
even before the Nation of Islam thing.
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Again I'll be skipping everyone else's comments
I can never bring myself to read them whenever there is such a serious subject. First off, it was a joke. I get that. And I even think Rashad was trying to mock Davis’s weak defense of Joe Pa and Penn State. Unfortunately, his delivery isn’t that good and he couldn’t pull it off.
Now, here is my take why he shouldn’t even be attempting such jokes (on a side note, isn’t it amazing how many mma fans apparently can’t be offended – unless you criticize a fighter’s poor taste jokes or dislike mma. Then look out!):
The UFC is asking a bunch of new fans to let them in their homes with the Fox deal. Fans that are unfamiliar with them. Many of whom are women or have children. If you were being invited into a stranger’s home would you make such a comment? Wouldn’t you worry that they’d misconstrue your intent, would be offended instead of laughing? Well, that’s kind of the UFC’s position right now. I’m not going to say he can’t say it, but I am going to criticize him for saying it.
by John Nash on Dec 8, 2011 12:03 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Right
I mean, its just not that hard to avoid saying stupid shit.
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by hardlyworking on Dec 8, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
The UFC is asking a bunch of new fans to let them in their homes with the Fox deal. Fans that are unfamiliar with them
I think this is the main point that i disagree with. Not offending a target audience is not the same as attracting that audience. Being able to have a discussion, use jokes, and use language that people use everyday in a professional arena is a unique thing. More would be lost from the character of the UFC by making these changes. Additionally, I believe it is that uniqueness that helps draw in new fans. Yes it does push people away. but you make the assumption that they would be fans but for this type of occurrence. I am more inclined to believe that the audience that turns away at this is the audience that would sit ambivalent at MMA otherwise.
If that joke so seriously offends these elusive "new fans"
God forbid they ever watch a fight.
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Wow BE is so predictable when it comes to stuff like this.
But Mr. New Guy, you’re no Mike Fagan.
by Rob Young on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions 11 recs
David,
Thanks for writing this. Even though we all knew exactly what the comments section was going to be. Glad someone on staff has a prefrontal cortex.
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Goddammit gzl!!
You’re comment had me stoked that David had been brought over to BE!
Castillo’s articles tend to be awesome all around, and there’s no reason he should be stuck with the likes of me and MDH.
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While we are on the Sandusky subject
anyone here read the grand jury statement yet? pretty damn graphical in terms of detailed sexual abuses.
I gotta rec it.
Can’t stop. Won’t stop.
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Rashad Evans’ Joke About the Penn State Scandal is No Laughing Matter
C’monson. BE is better than this. You’re better than this.
After cunty-gate, missionary-gate and a few slightly less monumental events in between,
are you really that surprised?
Man...
The BE writers must have gone into seizures over the South Park episodes on the Catholic Church.
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by KJ Gould on Dec 8, 2011 6:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe Rashad actually wants Phil Davis to beat him?
That way, he can move down to 185 without anyone accusing him of ducking Jon Jones, because if Rashad can’t beat Phil Davis at this stage of Davis’ development as a fighter, then how the hell could Rashad expect to beat Hendo or Shogun or Machida in a rematch, much less beat Jones?
Rashad can also point to where Nate Marquardt ranked at 185 at the time he announced he was going down to 170 (he was supposed to fight first Anthony Johnson, then Rick Story, then Nate got kicked out of the UFC over that TRT thing and Charlie Brenneman wound up fighting, and beating, Story).
I don't know whether to take you seriously, or if you are just trolling to hate on Rashad.
Regardless, that is a pretty far out theory, why would the former LHW champion be afraid of anyone in the division? Especially since he’s currently ranked number two. Rashad is getting a lot of hate and a lot of trolls attacking him recently. He’s starting to look like Blastoise.
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by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 8, 2011 6:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Charizard was always better.
What would you rather have in your party, a blue Super Mario reject with super soakers on his back, or a FUCKING DRAGON?!?!
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 6:19 AM EST up reply actions
The plant one personally, because it could use a solar beam which was the strongest
attack in the game. The Charizard had to be like level 80 to get ANY decent fire attack, it was confusing/.
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by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, TM’s are your friends. Charizard+Hyber Beam=Death
It didn’t matter much to me, because I traded for all three of them anyway.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
are we talkin game boy here?
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by ODBasyoucansee on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Fuck the new Pokemon games. They’re ridiculous.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Ah yes
The carefree days of my youth. Walking into things, spending all my money on batteries.
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by ODBasyoucansee on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Holding left, a, and b while catching a Pokemon even though you knew it didn’t really do shit.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Omg
so fucking true, although I held down plus b thinking that it would latch it tighter or some shit.
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I watched Theo Fleury's press conference yesterday
then came on this site, and saw this. Imagine if a hockey player said "Ill put hands on you like Jerry Graham. " there would be a shitnami of unbelievable proportions, and rightly so. UFC has done alot for their organization in promoting the idea that UFC and the sport itself are good for kids (even donating shwag to anti bullying based mma classes here in the Yukon), this is definately not a step in the right direction.
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the best way to make articles like this go away
is to not comment on them … over 400 comments?
what do you think they will write about next time something “inappropriate” happens?
next topic!
by AnotherBadPrediction on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 AM EST reply actions
Just pointing out that this is a fantastic article.
Although the joke could have been in better taste. It was in way offensive to the people who went through it. Satire is an interesting concept.
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by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
In no way offensive*
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by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Don't people understand ...
… the difference between satire and being a jerk?
When South Park sent Priest Maxi to the Vatican to try to get them to address the child molestation issue and found a bunch of people from a variety of planets trying to keep everything covered up, it was brilliant. It wasn’t insensitive to victims of abuse.
When Rashad Evans compares what he’s going to do to Phil Davis to ABUSE THAT A BUNCH OF TRAUMATIZED YOUNG MEN SUFFERED … good grief. Are we that dense?
I’m glad Bloody Elbow speaks up on stuff like this. If it didn’t — if the perception of MMA fans was that we all thought this sort of nonsense was OK — we might as well toss the sport back in the freaking Fringetown Casinos and watch webcasts from someone’s Flipcam instead of a slickly produced PPV or Fox broadcast.
by Beau Dure on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Why is it worse to say something like “I’m going to rape you in the cage” rather than “I’m going to kill you in the cage”?
Both are crimes which have many victims all over the world. Neither statement should be taken literally.
Why is it worse to bring up sexual assault than other forms of violence?
The argument can easily be made that neither of these forms of expression should be allowed (and if they’re taken seriously, threats aren’t allowed) but then we’re all going to have to get up in arms about a lot more of the things that fighters say before a fight.
I’m too young to have been watching combat sports when Mike Tyson was champ but is this how everyone responded when he talked about eating someone’s children?
actually
I read an interview with Lewis before they had that fight. I believe his quote was “Mike is an idiot, i dont even have kids” or something to that extent
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by ODBasyoucansee on Dec 8, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
I remember that interview. Lewis was somewhat bemused by the comment than anything. It was more like:
“He said that he wanted to eat my children. Which is odd because I don’t have any children yet. What can I say? He’s a little intense.”
Plus it was quite some time after he was champ. He was already past his peak.
yeah
I think with Tyson people were so worried about what he might actually DO that when he said twisted shit it was preferable.
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by ODBasyoucansee on Dec 8, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Legit question
It really has to do with the trauma that rape induces. It never really goes away. It can affect that person’s ability to have stable relationships with family and friends.
When we’re growing up, we don’t understand. We understand “kill.” It means you’re dead. We don’t understand the lingering effects of rape.
That said, Frank Mir still got in trouble for saying “kill.”
Tyson was just so ludicrous that I’m not sure anyone could take it seriously.
It has to do with how the term is received. We grow up using the word kill as descriptive to any kind of lopsided competition outcome. All of us, when kids, said ‘kill’ when we were mad at someone or we were just talking smack. The intercontextuality of the term “kill” is completely different to Rape. When the word rape was introduced to me, it wasn’t in the context of defeating or making someone pay for something, it was the literal context of a man forcing himself onto a female. Context is everything in the case of rape and kill. When guys say “man he gonna get raped” I flinch every time. My best friends’ son was raped by an in-law. It’s changed his boy, my friend, his relationship with his wife, his relationship with the other kid. The entire family is trying desperately how to heal and deal with it, and they don’t know how. It’s really really hard. I have friends who have lost family members too, and it’s completely different somehow, possibly because of what the other guy said, kill is easier to understand, and it’s something basic that we deal with. Rape just isn’t.
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Or, for a more relevant reference-
Mr. Adams: "I’ve been looking over my file and see you kids have all been horribly physically and emotionally abused. Oh, whoops! That isn’t your case file. It’s the Penn State University Gazette. Ha! I’m joking. That’s just a joke. We like to have fun here. It is your case file. I was all just like, ‘It’s the Penn State Gazette,’ to be like a joke. We have fun."
“Now listen, you’re going to be put into a foster home, so I need to know would you like to go to Neverland Ranch, the Catholic church or Penn State University.”
“I’m going to get you to smile! A Penn State administrator walks into a bar…Where’s that smile? How about this one? Joe Paterno doesn’t walk into a police station…C’mon, that’s a good one!"
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
This is from the SP episode that actually dealt with the PSU scandal.
Kinda hard to use Southpark as your example against making jokes about children being sexually abused.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
South Park is making fun of people making fun of Penn State.
Who’s the target of the jokes: the councillor. He’s trying to be “edgy” and “topical”, but instead, he’s unfunny (like Rashad). Notice the depictions of the children being abused later in the episode – do you think Matt & Trey didn’t take it seriously?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but the situation is supposed to be funny-
a children’s case worker making jokes about the Penn State situation; ironic humor and whatnot.
But yeah- the problem is that Rashad didn’t word it well or deliver it in a funny way. If he’d flat out said “I’m gonna put more hands on you than Jerry Sandusky” I think it would’ve been alot funnier than “I’m gonna put my hands on you worse than that dude on those kids at Penn State”.
The “that dude on those kids at Penn State” part is clunky and ruins the joke IMO.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
A tastless joke on a fox broadcast?
Lord knows what shame MMA might bring to that venerable and respectable network!
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by jhf884 on Dec 8, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know if this would have been an issue or would continue to be an issue if Rashad’s statement was actually funny. It sounds like Rashad went out of his way to make a joke about Penn State and as we all know, you just can’t force comedy.
That being said, to act like jokes about the terrible acts that some people perform are per se wrong is asinine. Similarly, to assume that making a joke about a thing is a tacit acceptance of that thing is ridiculous. No matter how much anyone talks or jokes about it, no one is on the fence about molesting children. There isn’t a single person in the world who will in any way change their position on whether or not molesting children is acceptable based on the words of Rashad Evans. Maybe there are some gray areas, but the forcible rape of children is so clearly black and white that there is little one can do about it besides punish the rapists and then crack a joke about it so we can all get on with our lives.
by RamboBatman on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Quickly...let's stoke us some more feigned moral outrage...
…Athletes, and people in general, make a habit of saying stupid shit. Trying to encourage a witch hunt because of this reality is tiresome, irksome and asinine. There are better headlines out there. Stop clutching at straws…
by Mr. Braun on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
How is this feigned?
Is it impossible for anyone to be outraged by these statements?
"All noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
- Baruch Spinoza
The most classless fan in college football since 1984.
You can be offended by something,
but you also have to take offense to it. Unless you or a family member/ close friend was abused by Sandusky himself, then you probably shouldn’t be OUTRAGED by this situation.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how this follows.
At least the last bit. We can get outraged, justifiably I think, by all sorts of acts which we view as general violations of human dignity (e.g. raping a child). Given this outrage, I think it is also justifiable for people to be offended when others make light of these violations. Saying this is feigned is, in my view, a lazy attempt to discredit the outrage without actually attempting to face the objection.
This just sounds like a “it doesn’t affect me so I don’t care” approach, which I find to be quite dangerous when applied to certain situations.
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This article is pointless
We don’t need a new article saying how upset everyone should be because you take offense to someone’s joke. This was just discussed with Forrest’s comments not too long ago. We had a good argument, people got butthurt, people got banned. Move on
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 8, 2011 8:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
People do seem to get butthurt about rape jokes.
by discoandherpes on Dec 8, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Enough of this manufactured moral outrage
BloodyElbow is becoming the Fox News of MMA sites
by EvilScott on Dec 8, 2011 9:10 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
You know who would accuse BE of that?
HITLER!!!!
by IRodC on Dec 8, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Nothing like starting off your day by dying a little inside.
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You hungover?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yes.
As an aside, the upshot of these comments is that I’m getting plenty of fodder for when I teach my Logic class informal fallacies next year.
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Show them this video, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjqxayxwt4
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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Now that I think about it
that almost sounds like a joke this guy could’ve made.
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I'm stupid late to the party
but Didn’t Mike Tyson say something along the lines that he was going to rape a man and cannibalize his kids and the media,well, the boxing world, ate that up? With that being said though, I don’t know any rape victims and jokes about rape wouldn’t sit to well with me if I had a wife, mom, daughter, niece or auntie who had been raped. It’s a crazy world we live in.
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by SentientAndroid on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions
'if not violence, what does MMA stand for?'
While the controlled violence involved with mixed martial arts is undeniable, to me it really stands for hard work and discipline, dedication, camaraderie, physical activity, and respect. It’s unfortunate and disappointing that people use the comments made by certain fighters to disparage the entire sport. No different from any other sport, there will be athletes who’s careers and lives will embody these values, and there are others who will not.
Every comment like this makes a difference in our culture. The trivializing child rape packaged in male bravado empowers pedophiles. Albeit a little bit, every time it’s presented pedophilia is empowered. All the press that Sandusky gets? This is making pedophiles closer to acting on impulses. When Rashad trivializes such a serious thing, he brings our culture just a little more de-sensitivity.
A real shame on people here who endorse it through claiming that it’s just a joke. It’s not just a joke. It’s ultimately a demoralization of something that shouldn’t be.
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