Stuff I Hate...
by Tears of Aoki on Dec 7, 2011 12:27 AM EST
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PrintI've been a proud hater all of my life, I hate Lesnar, I hate Koscheck, I hate movies about water monsters (seriously just stay out of the water) and I hate a lot of things about MMA. Don't get me wrong mma is my favorite sport and Ill always support it but as with anything in this world there is some things that I don't like. I'm just gonna get up on my soap box and belt out a few things so if you have something to add, comment. If you hate on my hating then you are free to comment as well.
This is my first post here on BE so please... be gentle
Dana Whites Language: You've heard it on TUF, you've heard it in in almost every interview. F this and F that, he'll even throw in a bro every once in a while. I'm not so delusional to think that its hurting the sport, in a strange sort of way I think it gave the UFC kind of an edgy-ness to it, I even think it helped set the mood for the first season of TUF. But now that the UFC is more in the main stream (not in it yet) is it really needed? It reminds me of my of an 8th grader who just started saying the F word to his friends. Here is an example from a recent quote.
"As for the director, you are sitting in a fucking booth with 12 fucking monitors and you mean to tell me you fucking miss someone's schlong flopping out of his shorts? Fucking unbelievable!" - Dana White
It just seems like it is excessive. I know the situation he was referring to wasn't a really fair of me to take a quote off of but it is something that bugs me.
Elbows to the head of a grounded opponent: I already know there are a bunch of people who love these so just hear me out. I love standing elbows, I love when someone can throw an elbow while separating from a clinch, or when Silva threw that elbow uppercut on that white guy at cage rage 16. But on the ground they just bug me.
I love seeing submissions in MMA but I feel that I see a lot less of them if the guy on top just wants to land elbows and the guy on the bottom just wants to avoid them. I don't like to think that fighters try to get a fight stopped by giving the other guy a cut above his eye,but I'm sure it happens and some people do go for it. I guess I just miss Pride where (I think) the grappling was a little more entertaining (to me at least).
Open letters: Nobody cares... seriously
Quality of Referees: An example of this is Kim Winslow. Anyone who has seen the beating "Cyborg" put on Jan "Cuddles" Finney, at Strikeforce / M-1 Global Fedor vs. Werdum knows what I'm talking about. It might sound a little sexist and I hate seeing anyone (male or female) literally un-able to defend themselves take such a severe beating like that, but seeing a woman take that beating stung a little bit more and I honestly hated watching it.
The fight should have been stopped multiple times during the first round when Finney was turttled up taking punches and knees. The whole thing disgusted me. And Iv'e heard quotes of Finney defending Kim Winslow, "It's my decision, and leave those people (refferee/my corner) out of it". What she thinks is completely irrelevant, what is the purpose of a ref if not for the complete control and safety of the fighters? There needs to be some official training that every professional MMA Official/Referee should be made to go through.
This is just a recent example and I'm sure that there are others but this one stuck out too me and I think it is something that really needs to be changed.
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BTW, WWE sounds more up your alley. Fake Storylines, Fake People
Fake how you want it endings.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING TROLLS ON THIS MOTHERFUCKING WEBSITE!
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by mountaineers101 on Dec 7, 2011 12:52 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
I’VE HAD IT WITH THESE MONKEY FIGHTING TROLLS ON THIS MONDAY TO FRIDAY SITE!
"UFC is so gay, pride is awesome!"
by Hendo_One-Shot on Dec 7, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Please remove your entire paragraph on elbows because it is complete bullshit.
Fights in the UFC are hardly ever stopped because of cuts, so therefore they are hardly ever stopped because of cuts due to elbows, therefore fights being stopped because of cuts from elbows is not a real issue, no matter how many times Bas says it is.
Also, if removing elbows increased the submission rate in the UFC the 3% to match the levels of your beloved pride, you probably would barely notice.
not saying your wrong
but Id love to see the stats could you post a link?
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by Tears of Aoki on Dec 7, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not only that,
but I don’t get why people think that cut stoppages are bullshit. If you can slice your opponent’s skin so hard that it’s not safe for them to continue fighting, that’s a legit win.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 7, 2011 3:25 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm actually struggling to think of a single cut stoppage from a ground elbow
I mean I’m sure it’s happened but I seriously can’t think of a single example. It’s pretty damn rare and I’m really not for adding more prohibitive rules to the sport at the professional level.
by Chromium on Dec 7, 2011 3:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It really doesn't happen all that often.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
Elbow's are sooo worthless...
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by Fedorable on Dec 7, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Damn dude
you’re gettin a lot of hate for this fanpost, I didn’t think it was that bad. I do agree with the quality of the referee problem. Another recent example was Mazz taking way too fucking long to stop Bedford vs Gaudinot.
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by Rolandando on Dec 7, 2011 1:55 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I m seriously feeling the referee problem
I was starting to think that Mazz, actually has some sadistic issues. On the other hand, i dont think its accidental that they put him into some fights and not in others. Imagine if it happens that Mazz,. is the referee of the Dodson Dillashaw fight, i think the guy would literally have not much face left if they wait out Mazz. to stop that fight.. i think referee stuff after this what i have seen is a problem
on elbows
I thought certain elbow strikes on the back of the head of an opponent were kinda not allowed. But then again i keep seeing and hearing that they look over this problem and its up to the ref. in the end. Maybe many of you wouldnt say you have no problem with the elbow on the back of your head if you actually received it? :)
which means
didnt this guy only refer to that elbows on the back of the head which as far as i know is sometimes really illegal yet sometimes goes hypothethically illegal…
I think the massive amount of hate coming down on this post is a bit much. Perhaps you could offer some alternatives and get some debate going instead of just saying that you hate things? I don’t think anyone will disagree with you that Dana White sounds like a teenager with the f-bombs, but seeing as this thing is kind of like a big open letter against certain things… Idk.
I don’t really agree with the elbows thing. If you start restricting things because you’d rather see submissions, then go watch BJJ. I understand this is a bit of an oversimplification, but there are plenty of places to see great submissions. I don’t think that elbows from the top are a measurably significant factor in a lower perceived number of submissions.
Refs, yeah, it’s a tough thing. I mean, on the one hand, there’s lots of different views on when exactly fights should be stopped. On the other hand, some are just way over the top. Honestly, I thought the Miller-Bisping fight was a shitty stoppage. Not because Miller was going to somehow rally and start winning the fight again, but because if he’s going to lose for not defending himself, it should’ve been stopped a tad earlier. JMO. Biggest issue, I think, is the lack of consistency. But, it’s a hard job, I don’t know that I could do it better.
Perhaps you have some suggestions for alternatives?
At least this post isn't about Michael Bisping...
Doesn’t mean I don’t hate it
Don't be scared Gomi...
Dang
You dudes got good and surly last night.
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Part 2 just got put on ice
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by Our Bovine Public on Dec 7, 2011 8:45 AM EST reply actions
Awesome username Tears of Aoki
Rec’d just for your name. I disagree with pretty much everything you said though.
Dana White’s Language: Boohoo
Elbows on the Ground: If you can’t submit a guy who wants to elbow you, you either need better jiu jitsu or a new plan.
Open letters: agree, it’s just a pompous and annoying format
Quality of refs: could use improvement, but Kim Winslow is not the problem. She is a competent ref. A ref’s job is not the ‘complete control and safety of the fighters’. If the goal was their complete safety, the ref would call them to the middle of the ring, pick a winner, and send them home for a good night’s sleep. If the goal was complete control, they’d have chips in their heads.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
You guys should calm down.
This isn’t winning any Pulitzer awards anytime soon, but god damn you guys get way too worked up over nothing.
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by Zachary Kater on Dec 7, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I hate that you put up a fanpost that you expect us to read
and you didn’t bother proofreading it. The first fucking word is misspelled.
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With that username I thought the list would be something like:
People breathing.
Unhyperextended elbows
short trunks
I'm all out of bubblegum
by some schmuck in texas on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
OK, gonna give it to you straight!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And anyone can write a fanpost to share whatever boolshit is on their mind! I happen to agree with the hate for Lesnar, Koscheck and Dana dressing like a teenager and his lack of a vocabulary. Not really sure about the elbows issue. Elbows are elbows and if you don’t like the heat stay the fuck (dana) out of the kitchen. You don’t like open letters yet you write a fanpost—basically same shit! Bad reffing is always gonna be a part of the sport as long as a ref is in the octagon. Nothing is perfect and you and I aren’t gonna change anything so go with the flow.
This post should be rec'd...
For not linking to another blog that nobody gives a shit about.
For not being a run-on sentence masked as a post asking why Fighter A has the nickname he does or why fighter B doesn’t get mad props.
For not being the 15th analysis of a fight card.
For not having such poor grammar and spelling that it is incomprehensible.
For not digging up old crap we have gone over hundreds of times.
"Okay, Lindsay, are you forgetting that I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist."
by BJJDenver on Dec 7, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
For not linking to another blog that nobody gives a shit about.
For not being a run-on sentence masked as a post asking why Fighter A has the nickname he does or why fighter B doesn’t get mad props.
For not being the 15th analysis of a fight card.
For not having such poor grammar and spelling that it is incomprehensible.
For not digging up old crap we have gone over hundreds of times.
"Okay, Lindsay, are you forgetting that I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist."
I hate Dana White’s fucking cursing as well. Totally unfucking necessary.
Elbows suck. Why should you be allowed to use a perfectly valid technique in a fight?
Who likes open letters? Stupid fanposts are always the way to go.
And finally, that fight should have been stopped a lot sooner. Cyborg is the most accurate puncher in mma and landing everything she threw.
I agree with the Dana White thing… but it has yet to hurt their business, or the sport, so what are you going to do? Sure it makes him look unprofessional to many people (normally of an older generation), but odds are they aren’t going to start watching the sport at this point of their life anyways.
The elbows is ridiculous. That gives an unfair edge to fighters with a grappling background. That is like saying that we should eliminate the Thai Clinch because it allows fighters to Wall’n’Stall (when in reality it sets up devastating finishes).
The quality of MMA reffing is something that needs to change, but I believe is becoming better and better.
We are always going to have ref’s making mistakes. Its what humans do. Very much like refs make mistakes in Baseball, football and basketball.
That said, I would like to see a major combat state (Cali, Nevada) require their refs to get a license from a ref school (John McCarthy’s or Herb Deans).
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Hate hate hate hate hate
While I agree with almost nothing written in this post, let’s take it easy on the new guy.
"Denique nullumst iam dictum quod non dictum sit prius."-- Terence
"By doubting we come to inquiry and by inquiry we perceive the truth." -- Abelard
It would be way easier...
If he wasn’t doing a post that was specifically about Hatorade®. Like the internet needs more hating for the sake of hating. If you’re gonna do that, it has to be justified by either entertainment value or a very well thought out argument, not just hating. It just makes it very easy to hate back on the guy.
As much as I’d like to shoot down this post entirely, I will now be fair and objective here: this is hardly the worst fanpost I’ve ever seen, and not worse than normal for a first fanpost, even if it’s nothing special. To me, he just handicapped himself with the premise.
I realized after I posted how annoying I sounded because I didn’t offer any solutions.
I did ask for the negative feedback but to be honest it was more than I expected.
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by Tears of Aoki on Dec 7, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point
I can’t disagree with you there.
"Denique nullumst iam dictum quod non dictum sit prius."-- Terence
"By doubting we come to inquiry and by inquiry we perceive the truth." -- Abelard
by Patrick Wyman on Dec 7, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
How to fix the referee problem
Give them all earpieces.
Done.
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by nannerb on Dec 7, 2011 4:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
An open letter to Tears of Aoki...
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." - Wayne Gretzky - Michael Scott
it’s when people want to whine about something but put it in the form of a letter to someone that they are going to post here instead of actually getting to the person.
If you want an example put “Dear, mma” at the top of this post and “love, tears of aoki” on the bottom.
Or you can give him the original.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." - Wayne Gretzky - Michael Scott
by Sugel Mendoza on Dec 7, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL SEO.
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by Zachary Kater on Dec 7, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
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