Thank you, Brock Lesnar
by Earl Montclair on Dec 31, 2011 9:32 PM EST
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I came into the MMA world because Brock Lesnar came into the MMA world. I have not been around since UFC 1 and I am not even a TUF noob. I came over to the land of mixed martial arts to see Brock Lesnar. After his brutal loss to Alistair Overeem, Brock Lesnar hung up his 4XL gloves and called it a career.
Brock came into the sport and had one easy fight. After that, he fought a list of men that no man with his experience level had ever had to face. Mir, Herring, Couture, Mir, Carwin, Velasquez and then Overeem. That folks, is a murderers row that no man who is just dipping his toe into the combat sports waters should ever be lined up against. He went 5-3 against these men. Something I feel comfortable saying that no other man would be able to do or be asked to do. All while battling a severe intestinal disease and having a foot of his colon removed
To me, Brock Lesnar is an enigma. He is an athlete like we rarely get to see in action. The man's ability to sell a fight is unrivaled by anyone past or present in MMA history. Either you love him or you love to hate him. There is no middle ground. The bottom line is, you always showed up to watch him fight. If you dislike the man, that is fine with me, but there is no denying the impact he has had on the sport we love.
Frank Mir had his career brought back from the dead thanks to his two fights with Brock Lesnar. The prospects of a superfight with Lesnar (along with several other circumstances) brought Randy Couture back into the Zuffa fold. Cain Velasquez and now Alistair Overeem have got the rub from Brock by defeating him. Their performances against Brock made them stars and vaulted them into prominence.
I will always remember the Brock Lesnar who unleashed the "who's the fucking man" ground and pound onto Frank Mir, teaching him a lesson for eating Brock's precious strawberries. The Brock Lesnar who sent Heath Herring somersaulting backwards across the octagon and straight into a Ferrari-less retirement. I am thankful for the man who taught me to drink Coors Light because Bud Light isn't paying me anything and that it is totally okay to announce to a worldwide pay per view audience that I plan on having missionary style intercourse with my significant other. He has a sword tattoo, he God blesses God and he put his drooly, bloody mouthpiece in Joe Rogan's shirt pocket. He made us all pay attention.
Brock Lesnar is first and foremost, an entertainer. This served both to his benefit and to his detriment in his mixed martial arts career. In the end, he brought thousands of new eyes to the sport of MMA. He delivered the highest pay per view buys of any fighter in the history of the sport. This put more money in his pocket, the UFC's and all of the other men who fight in the company. Everyone benefited from Brock Lesnar being in the sport and that is undeniable.
I just want to say thank you. A thank you I know that he will never read because it is on the internet. So thank you for bringing me into the world of mixed martial arts. Thank you for always putting on exciting fights. Thanks for everything, BROCKLESNAR!!!!! 
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Great piece MDH
It still hasn’t settled in, for me at least, the magnitude of his MMA career. The man did what no man should be capable of, and with so much other shit going on. The man was belligerent at times, but that’s what gave his name the awe. No matter what the naysayers decide to spout out about him, he’s single handedly brought MMA leaps and bounds ahead of where it could be without him. All of the current awesomeness, and a hell of a lot of the future awesomeness, should be attributed to what he did for the sport. Long live the BROCKLE SNAR!!!!!!!
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by halitosis on Dec 31, 2011 9:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
thanks man.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 31, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
You know I did not like Brock.
But, he did prove me wrong(and a lot of others I can assume)Before his first fight with Mir a friend who was just getting into MMA asked me if Brock stood a chance, and talked about how big and scary he was.I said he has no shot being in there with those killers.After his loss to Mir, I was sure of my comment.After Herring, I thought it was a fluke.After Randy I was pissed.After Mir 2 I thought he was a Jackass.After Carwin I thought, damn he does belong here, that fight no matter how much I hated him, I had to respect him.And for that I say good job Brock.I ate my words and they were bitter.
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Well dude you are light years ahead of other people who will never give him an ounce of credit for anything he did
Those people will detract from “real” fighters that they uphold just to discredit Brock’s accomplishments.
Also, I can’t believe it took you until UFC 100 to realize he was a jackass :)
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 31, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well before 100 it seemed more cartoonish and not so much dickish.
I enjoy a good hype battle before a fight, not after.Even Diaz and Kos, drop the heel act after the fight is over.
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see I dislike the making nice afterwards that Diaz does and Kos to a much greater extent
It makes it impossible to believe the next time around. Selling a fight is an important part of the game but to act like a dick and then act like an angel afterwards bugs me. What I loved about pre-illness Brock was that he really truly had a chip on his shoulder and even though the volume may have been turned up, you know it was all coming from a very real place.
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 31, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I guess if you are gonna be an ass....
You must always wear the ass-hat.The fact that he did not continue this makes me think he was never a real dick, just a pretend one.
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Or that he was suddenly changed by having an awful near-death experience, perhaps?
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There was a huge change in him after that and I don’t blame him.
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I'm with you
I thought he had no chance, and he proved me wrong. Begrudgingly. After several fights. I loved to watch him crumble against Overeem, but he did what I thought was going to be impossible for him.
I wish it didn't end the way it did
I guess no one really goes out on top. He did accomplish things in the sport that will never be replicated. I get excited for all the fights but there was something about Brock that added so much more anticipation, for me anyway.
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Good post man. You captured the love-hate relationship he has with fans very well.
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by TheLastEmpress on Dec 31, 2011 10:49 PM EST reply actions
thank you very much
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by Earl Montclair on Dec 31, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well-written, sir!
This may have been the saddest event I’ve ever watched. Brock was never given a fair chance in his MMA career. He was thrown to the wolves constantly, while facing all sorts of other adversity, and ridiculed by pretentious MMA snobs the entire time. At least 90% of fighters don’t even make it to UFC-level competition before 8 fights into their careers, and this mother fucker won the championship in half that time. Brock will be missed.
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by Zachary Kater on Jan 2, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Thrown to the wolves if you mean
zuffa emptied the bank in his lap for only a handful of fights
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and it was a brilliant move
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
His sub win over Carwin is easily in the top three of how animated and excited I was during a fight. I was going nuts. Brock was getting his ass beat, I was cringing. Then I accepted the fact that he was about to be TKO’d, I relaxed. The round ended, and I was thankful but not exactly excited. Then Brock looked across the Octagon at Carwin and did something I didn’t expect. He smiled. When he landed the double leg I knew he’d win the fight, I just didn’t see him arm triangling him. I probably looking like JDS does after he wins, and I didn’t even fight. One of my favorite MMA moments.
That TKO over Mir was some of the best and most creative ground and pound I’ve ever seen. UFC 100 was also the first PPV I bought (and I wasn’t even coming over as a Pro Wrestling fan) and I was hooked from the get go.
Good piece MDH. Imma go watch the Carwin fight now.
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I love the Carwin fight. It humanized the both of them. Post fight Brock was as humble as could be and then Carwin got on the mic and cussed up a storm. It was like they swapped brains mid fight. My favorite image of Brock
in MMA came from this fight too. Just seeing him so happy about everything he just endured and kind of triumphed over was something the masses rarely see out of him.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 5:24 AM EST up reply actions
Awesome.
Simply Awesome. I will miss Brock and so will the Zuffa’s accountant.
Good luck to Brock in the future… I have a feeling for a while we will only be seeing him in more ammunition/ hunting youtube videos… and that’s alright with me.
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My rage over the fucking sign that tricked me into picking Brock and thoroughly screwing myself somewhat subsides just long enough for me to say that I was touched by your sentiments, MDH.
It sucks to see one’s figure get trucked like that. I remember getting into MMA because of Diego “YUS!” Sanchez, and how it has been real shitty seeing him on his latest skid (that will most likely culminate on him getting KTFO’d by Ellenburgerking).
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
And good wrestling
Unless Diego has made huge improvements striking wise, he’s getting trampled.
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by halitosis on Jan 1, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Which he won't make...
Oh, lawd, it’s gonn abe awful…
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I gotta be honest man, I really don't get it...
that being said, I’m sorry for your loss?
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by Unabomberman on Jan 1, 2012 3:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Where I come from
it’s called lightening the mood a little.
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by Fake Emcee on Jan 1, 2012 3:30 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But really
I’m honestly just very surprised to see the impact that Brock has had on people, especially in such a short span of time.
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Not many people get pushed as hard as he did
In fact, no one has and he still did well. Imma miss the big dude :(
by rockyman500 on Jan 1, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If he was the only factor that brought MDH to MMA
I’d say that Lesnar did his job. It shouldn’t be hard to understand why people are attracted to Brock when he brought them into this world.
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by duck on Jan 1, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If there was one thing Lesnar brought into the octagon, it was that anxious feeling of anticipation before any of his fights. Anytime he stepped into the octagon I had a feeling I was gonna watch something special.
All his fights had a “big fight” atmosphere. There have been other times where it feels like a big fight, but Lesnar brought that in in every fight he was in.
I won’t call him a legend, but goddamn he is special
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by IRodC on Jan 1, 2012 4:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
See that is just it
I get visibly nervous before every fight of his. This happens with nobody else. There are other fighters that I am huge supporters of but, like you said, there is just something about a Brock Lesnar fight that has a little something extra.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 5:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for saying this.
I feel the exact same way. I actually told my friend yesterday that the only positive about Lesnars retirement to me was not having to feel the nerves I feel on the day he fights anymore. I am starting to feel that way about Anderson Silva now as well but at least his legacy is pretty much set.
I used to be that way with Silva
Last couple of fights not so much. Only because I was so sure of a dominating win. Brock wasn’t one of my favorite fighters but I sure did like him and I loved watching his fights. He made it an “event” which nobody else can do on a consistent basis in MMA. I walked out before his retirement speech because I knew it was coming but didn’t want to hear it. Not after Penn and Hughes and Randy. Maybe Brock was one of my favorite fighters and I just didn’t really realize it.
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by dedstrk316 on Jan 1, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Despite rooting for The Reem, I was a Brock fan first
UFC 91 was the first time I ever watched MMA. I watched only the main event because my brother told me Brock Lesnar was fighting for the Heavyweight title.
I didn’t start watching EVERY event until the TUF 9 finale…but Lesnar is what spurred my initial interest in MMA.
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I got into MMA well before Brock...
But there’s something about him that I couldn’t help but love to watch. His unrelenting, “I don’t give a shit what you think of me” honesty was ridiculously refreshing and his entertainment value in interviews was unbelievable. Seldom do we see an underdog become a champion and it was amazing to see him pull it off, but play the bad guy role, feeding the cocky person in all of us. I’m definitely going to miss seeing him fight.
by RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin on Jan 1, 2012 4:48 AM EST reply actions
the mayans mustve been right about 2012...
mdh wrote something serious!
i kid man, great, emotional piece. thanks!
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I wouldn’t call myself a Lesnar fan at all but the sport will be a lot worse of without him around. Always looked forward to his fights.
I loved to hate him. Guess he wins...
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BROCKLESNAR!!!!!
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 1, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
i guess i can see riding someone like a bronco and the end of a fight but the pointing his finger and laughing at Herring makes me savor the times he gets his ass whooped even more.
what’s he even pointing and laughing for ..he stayed on his back for like 1 second tops.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 1, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, did you see the fight?
Brock made Herring look like a rank amateur, not to mention was getting his first win in the UFC. He deserves a good celebration.
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
not to mention all the backstage pissiness before the fight from the Herring camp
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Now this I haven’t heard about. What was their deal?
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I can't remember specifics
but apparently there was some shit talking going on and Herring’s camp was all pissed off about who would enter the arena first. Something to do with Heath winning his last fight and Brock losing his last fight iirc
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Herring said it wasn’t his first rodeo like it was for Lesnar. I think that is where the Bronc riding thing came from. Nonetheless, it was an awesome time. I was in Minnesota for that one.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
Dude that is awesome
that was an excellent card for that period of the UFC
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I’m well acquainted with the details of the fight itself. do you often point at people and laugh at them when you’re celbrating?
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
I also thank Thor and curse my enemy’s ancestors.
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that’s an impressive ability to appreciate classless behavior. i imagine that could be a throw back to his pro wrasslin days…which is why i never watched that shit.
thanking thor and cursing your enemy’s ancestors (hopefully done in a more private setting) on the other hand……more power to ya.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
Very Nice
While I don’t think Brock is anything like a Hall of Famer, what he did accomplish in a short time, is fairly remarkable.
He may not be remembered as one of the greatest to enter the cage, but he certainly will be remembered, hopefully fondly.
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He will get in the Hall of Fame
If only for the new eyes he brought to the UFC/MMA
by taptomyarmbar on Jan 1, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
He'll get there and he deserves it
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Possibly
But if we’re talking fighting accomplishments there are far more deserving cases who aren’t in and prob never will be.
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Like who?
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The only one of those that may not make the HoF is Pulver. I don’t know why you wouldn’t think Tanner or Franklin would make it.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Frank Mir under no circumstance has had a HOF career
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying he has
but he deserves it more than Lesnar imo
by taptomyarmbar on Jan 1, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lesnar went 4-3 in the UFC
If he gets into the HOF it would be utter bullshit.
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 1, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Frank Mir got knocked out by Brandon Vera
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Frank Mir dosn't belong in the HOF either.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Almost no one deserves to be in the HOF IMO
If everyone who won a world title got in, it wouldn’t be an exclusive list.
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The HOF is cool and maybe Frank will get in one day like 35 years from now when Luke Thomas and Ariel Helwani all finally cave in and give him his moment in the sun because he has Alzheimer’s and they feel they guess he deserves it like in other sports but not at the rate it is going
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
If you dont think Mir deserves it at this point in his career then which active fighter does? GSP and AS only? If you dont think Mir is qualified then how could anyone else be?
That’s a pretty freaking sparce HOF.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
From the top of my head
BJ Penn, Forrest Griffin, Tito Ortiz, Big Nog, Wanderlei Silva, Urijah Faber.
And I think Hall of Fame’s should be pretty sparce.
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by gspmademegay on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Forrest over Mir..you’re joking right? Big nog and Wandy belong in a MMA HOF but not in a UFC HOF if the criterea you are using denies Mir entry into said HOF. Let me borrow from Wiki.. Mir has been one of the most accomplished heavyweights in MMA history, is a former UFC Heavyweight Champion and a former UFC Interim Heavyweight Champion. He currently holds the record for most victories in the heavyweight division of the UFC with 14. He’s also been with the company over 10 years and owns some of the most iconic subs in the entire industry! Frank Mir not being invited into the UFC HOF upon his retirement is on par with Rush not being admitted into the Rock and Rolll HOF.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Forrest was the first TUF winner, LHW champion and winner of the most important fight in MMA history. No Forrest, no UFC, his tangible accolades are bonuses.
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yep, forrest has to be in as well. i’m not saying he he shouldn’t be. he earned his spot and was at the right place at the right time, but Mir’s career is more impressive in every respect. i just dont understand what sense it makes not including the former champion and interim champion who has the best submission game at HW in the UFC for the last 10yrs . He has the most wins at HW to prove it. That person doesn’t belong in the hall of fame? Longevity and continued excellence are what most people look for in a HOF enductee. Some might see his accident as a reason to exclude him but i think that it just adds to the intrigue of his story.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Irrelevant.
He should get in just for all that he’s done for the sport. Tying the record for most heavyweight title defenses is just the cherry on top.
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I think he should get in because I want to watch all the snobs freak out
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, Paul Heyman
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That's why it's just the cherry on top
Him making the hall of fame wouldn’t be about what he did in the cage, but about what he did for the sport.
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It is actually kind of a big deal
it shows how difficult it is to remain at the top of the division for an extended period and that Lesnar was able to do that just as long as anyone else had, and against better competition no less
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
i know
I haven’t once argued that he belonged in the HOF so I dont get your point
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
4-3
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Just remind him that Nick Diaz got beat up by a rapist.
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Should Couture be in?
Cause his record sucks out of context
How about Penn? His record also sucks out of context. Who should be in?
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 4:44 AM EST up reply actions
all that he’s done for the sport…Ummm, making wealthy people more wealthy?
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
I'll let Ben Fowkes explain:
Lesnar was a man who came to MMA relatively late in life and now seems intent on leaving early. He was memorable, even if he fell short of true athletic greatness, and he brought mainstream attention to the sport at an important time in MMA’s evolution.
Maybe when we look back on his brief career, that’s what we’ll remember most. Not that he dominated or even that he stuck around long enough to find out what he was fully capable of, but that he did a lot in a very little time, and he left the sport in better condition than he found it. Maybe that’s enough for him to feel satisfied in retirement. Maybe it has to be. And sure, maybe all the money he made in the process doesn’t hurt either.
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I said the same thing just more succinctly.
I get the concept. More money in revenues means more money for further promotion and greater purses. I just think the sport has it’s own trajectory independent of any 1 fighter. In other words the FOx deal and other expansions would have happened regardless.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
No you didn't.
You said he made wealthy people more wealthy which, on the surface, really downplays his impact on the sport and his very direct role in bringing in new fans like me and MDH, all of my casual fan friends, and so many others. It also ignores how his presence gave other fighters greater opportunities to be recognized. His impact on the sport is obvious, and there’s no ignoring that.
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all that^.plus, he had a
gigantic, phallic tattoo on his chest.
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by gspmademegay on Jan 2, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
sorry to burst your bubble but you might be overstated the impact of your fandom. If Brock never existed the UFC would be executing the same deals they are executing now. His legacy is some people becoming fans faster than they might have otherwise been but he didn’t put in his time in building a fledgling sport like Couture Mir, GSP, and others.Those people had a true impact at pivital moments. He wasn’t the one who turned around a company that was spilling gallons of red iink. He came in with a bunch of new fans at a time when the UFC was already very profitable and he made the most of his opporitunity.
The fact that you will continue to be an mma fan in Brock’s absence suggest that you ultimately would have become one anyway.
No one is going to look at Lesnar and say “wow, i need to start training like this guy” or model anything after him for that matter.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
No, it doesn't.
I knew MMA existed before and was only interested because of Lesnar. Unlike other sports, MMA isn’t widely available. Why watch when there’s no push? You can say people would’ve become fans regardless, but that’s just speculation, while Lesnar has brought tangible change. You list Frank Mir up there with GSP and Couture. What has Frank Mir done to change the sport? What would the MMA world lose if Frank Mir retired today? what would be different if he never became an MMA fighter? Not much.
And it’s not about what he did in the cage, that’s just bonus. Frank
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And yes, I recognize that the last two questions
are also speculations, but they’re based off the first question that you should be able to come up with a concrete answer to prove that Mir’s impact was bigger than Lesnar’s beyond a superficial seniority model.
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I dont mean to say that Mir is at the Couture -GSP level but i think his admission to the HOF is neccessary for these reasons
1. Length of serivce at the Main Event – co main event status 10years goddamnit! w/o the accident it would have been 10yrs uninterrupted but it’s still a huge length of time.
2. Most Wins at HW
3. Best execution at HW of a significant element of the sport for many years
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
btw, sorry for coming accross a lil jerky. i think it’s cool you guys are celebrating Lesnar’s career cause it did have a very high level of awesomeness. i just enjoy arguing with you guys and i believe you might be underweighting the totality of Mir’s career. He was the shit back in his hayday too.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's all good, no offense taken
I probably came off as pretty abrasive too. As far as Mir and the HOF go, agree to disagree.
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naw yer great. i’m just bummed you cant see things in favor of the ol’ workin man frank mir. Speaking of working man. what is your opinion of Rush not being in the rock and roll HOF?
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly don't think Lesnar should be in the HOF
but I think Frank is equally undeserving, albeit for different reasons
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is
It might appear to be good business to Dana/Fertitta’s to have Lesnar inducted into the HOF and all the publicity that would bring. Milk the casual fans for as much as they can!
by taptomyarmbar on Jan 1, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I am unsure how much the casual fans give a shit about the HOF or if they even know it sort of exists
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Prob not but they might get a PPV if they get wind that Brock will be on getting inducted.
by taptomyarmbar on Jan 1, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
J-Lau should be a HOFer for beating Pulver
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The next thing you'll say is that Moguel Torres isn't the P4P king
“Frank Mir under no circumstance has had a HOF career. "
Dont let AO folding Lesnar in half cloud your judgement. Mir has been in the UFC for over 10 years, has been a champion, and owns some of the most iconic subs in the business. He is most definetly HOF worthy.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 1, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Miguel Torres absolutely is not the P4P king.
also here is the very exclusive HOF
Royce Gracie
Ken Shamrock
Dan Severn
Randy Couture
Mark Coleman
Chuck Liddell
Charles Lewis Jr.
Matt Hughes
If Frank gets another world title, I’ll say he deserves in that club. Also, I severely doubt the connection between Brock getting trucked by Overeem and my opinion of Frank Mir
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Miguel Torres is only the pound for pound king of bad jokes.
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Do you know who the P4P worst joke of all time is?
Obama.
/Volkmannized
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb?
Who knows, they still haven’t figured out they’re in the dark.
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you guys are killing it
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
i thought that in light of your hero’s demise you might not be seeing one of his cheif rivals in a favorable light. After all this is a man who probably has more hate for Lesnar than anyone on the planet.
I think Mir’s extraordinarily lengthy career in the UFC (practically 2 careers) his accomplishments , and long time reputation as the most dangerous sub game in the HW division make his admission all but a certainty. I can see perhaps not having Mir in a MMA hall of fame but surely a UFC HOF.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jan 2, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
agree to disagree on Mir
I have oddly turned a corner with Mir. I kind of like the dude
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I'm back to the party late it appears.
A Hall of Fame is just that. It isn’t a Hall of won a couple of big fights or a Hall of could have been great if he fought longer.
What did Brock bring to MMA that it didn’t already have? What was his pioneering moment? What lasting change did he make to the sport?
I’m sure James Toney brought eyes to the sport that otherwise would never have seen it, is he a hall of famer?
It is unfortunate that we have to diminish what Brock did, in order to place him on the sport’s landscape. He is what he is, a great athlete who came to the sport late and made a limited impression in a handful of fights, probably winning a couple that everyone expected him to lose.
Let’s look at his record…
W-Min Soo Kim-nothing to even say
L-Frank Mir-Inexperience and Mir was the better fighter at the time.
W-Heath Herring-Let’s be real, Herring was a mid level fighter that never lived up to the hype. A huge punch by brock, sent him into retirement/acting/whatever. A spectacle punch? Yes. But remember, he still didn’t finish him.
W-Randy Couture-Again, keeping it real, one of the biggest most powerful HW’s against a blown up LHW who was nearing social security age. This might be his best win and i fully give him credit, but it is what it is.
W-Frank Mir-If Couture was his biggest win, this might be his best. Great control on the ground led to a win that probably hurt Mir more mentally than physically.
W-Shane Carwin-After getting his ass handed to him, that old foe, lactic acidosis crept into the cage, lol. Seriously, has there ever been a more overhyped HW than Carwin? Not a great win, simply a win.
L-Cain-Brock got beat up, badly.
L-AO-Brock got beat badly.
Yep, definitely HoF.
Instead of making ridiculous claims that this is a HoF career, let’s enjoy the fun ride that was a short, roller coaster of a career.
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Brock’s brought more fans to the UFC than anyone before him. For that alone, he deserves to be in the HOF.
No he doesn't
he deserves a nice gold watch or such.
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by BJJDenver on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's great.
That also does not make him a Hall of Famer.
let me clarify my stance a bit. I like Brock. I love what he did for me, entertainment wise. He was always fun and the anticipation of him fighting was a blast. He may well have been a great HW if he had started earlier, if he got the right training, if he fought longer, if he didn’t have the illness.
BUT, a Hall of Fame is for only the very best of the best. Not the Hall of very good, but the top percent of the top percent.
I think Terrell Davis is a HoFer. Unfortunately, his body of work probably isn’t vast enough for him to make it. At one time, he was one of the best of the best, but not for a long period. In other words, me thinking he is a HoFer, doesn’t make him one.
William Perry and Ickey Woods did a ton for the NFL. They brought a lot of casual fans eyeballs to the screen, they enjoyed a limited measure of success. They are nowhere near HoF caliber.
A person can be very good, even great and not a HoFer. The watering down of HoF’s is not a good thing, imo. This is an honor reserved for the very elite, of which, Brock was not.
That said, thanks to Brock for what he did bring us. Now, go enjoy retirement, find a new venture and enjoy the MILLIONS you made from your time in the UFC drawing new eyes to sport, even if those eyes primarily tuned in only to watch you.
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The whole idea of his career being a HOF one is a bit much
LOL at the comparison to James Toney though.
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 3, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Good riddance
Never liked the guy.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Semper Fi'
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by RolloTomasi on Jan 1, 2012 2:53 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
don't deny it
You want him to ride you bareback, lol
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
im nuetral on brock.
never hated the guy, never understood how anyone could love the big bully.
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I was also ambivalent to him, but felt really sad to see him go out like that.
Retirement via Uberknees looks far from the ideal plan for anyone.
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Good writeup.
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u r a the equivalent of a tuf noob, u r a lesnar noob. go back to wwe
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 1, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
rec'd for perfect response
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by MicahtheCynic on Jan 2, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OUCH!
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by dajulzta on Jan 2, 2012 1:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You should probably aim your butt at this guy and all the money Brock made him
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
would that be his me gusta face when thinking about the m
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by dajulzta on Jan 2, 2012 1:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
how can you call yourself a Ellis fan and like Brock?
I kid, I kid.
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by alicks on Jan 2, 2012 1:10 AM EST via Android app reply actions
an*
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by alicks on Jan 2, 2012 1:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
dont you be touchin me bum now
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 2, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So kind of a cool story, guys.
Lesnar just bought my buddy’s relatives farm in southern Saskatchewan to live at during the winter and hunt and whatnot. So even though Lesnar’s gone, he’s still gonna be kickin around. And hell, I might drive down there and crack a Coors Light with him if he doesn’t F5 me first.
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theres more than a dog in that pic!
how did you miss the beach?
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great write up MDH.
I was an on/off fan of the UFC/MMA until i think 87 or 88 then i heard brock was going to fight and i thought, shit hey? ill watch that for sure. iv gone back and watched all the ones i missed and everything since. i only get nervous for Jose aldo fights and brock fights… i guess thats only jose fights now.
much appreciated
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by Earl Montclair on Jan 3, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
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