UFC 141's Brock Lesnar And Big Show Collapse Ring On Smackdown
by Matthew Roth on Dec 30, 2011 12:01 PM EST
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On the final day of Brocksmas Matt Roth gave to me, Brock Lesnar and Big Show collapsing the ring.
It's the final day of Brocksmas, the professional wrestling career retrospective of Brock Lesnar. And I've saved the best moment for last. Brock Lesnar had captured the WWE heavyweight belt after defeating Kurt Angle at Wrestlemania 19, even after the botched shooting star press which could have ended his career. Riding a wave of popularity, the WWE entered him into a program with their biggest superstar: The Big Show!
The Big Show is billed as 7 feet tall and 485 pounds making him the largest wrestler on the WWE's roster. Lesnar at his heaviest walked around at around 295 pounds. It truly was a case of what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
On an episode of Smackdown, then the WWE's Thursday night programming, the Big Show and Lesnar met in the ring. In front of a sold out crowd at the TD Waterhouse Center in Orlando, Florida the two big men squared off for Lesnar's belt. What happened next absolutely no one expected, including the ring announcers who were as surprised as the crowd in attendance.
More coverage and video after the jump...
SBN coverage of UFC 141: Lesnar vs. Overeem
The set up was for Big Show to finish Lesnar from the top rope. Lesnar hit a chop to escape and then climbed the ropes for a superplex. Considering the size of the two men it was a move that absolutely no one expected to ever see. When they finally landed on the mat, the combination of the force and momentum caused the ring to collapse. It was a true "HOLY SH*T!" moment.
The crowd's reaction as well as the reaction of Michael Cole and Taz were as genuine as you'll find in professional wrestling. The ring had never collapsed before which made this a truly unique and great moment. While the ring was likely gimmicked, it created enough suspension of belief that was possible that the combined weight and force of the two actually caused the ring to implode. I hope you've enjoyed this series and maybe you'll see it again sooner rather than never.
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Loved when Henry and Show did it too.
But it was only for the 2nd rope.
by Thats It For you! on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions
I love how the guy on commentary cursed.
by discoandherpes on Dec 30, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions
The ring was gimmicked but I doubt they let everyone know
by Matthew Roth on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True they probably kept it hidden from the announcers so that their reaction would be legit.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
I'm still waiting for my CM Punk WWE Ice Cream Bar.
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
Holy shit the whole ring broke......
the UFC better invest in more octagon supports, how would this look to the mainstream public!
I always get a little nervous when someone as big as Brock drives the other guy into the cage. I feel like it’s just going to rip off the hinges and they’re going to fly into the cageside area.
almost hsppened to herring
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Even though they all say that they're real, I know that most aren't
Boy you think you're clever don't you, girl you think you're so smart
Come with me to another side of the world... so cold and so dark
I feel the same way too
I swear it’ll happen one day if not tonight. And as I rip off my pants, the “Holy Shit!” chants will commence.
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by Krimson on Dec 30, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Two heavyweights really bent it
I wanna say Travis Brown was in the fight, but I remember when two HWs were fighting. One guy shot on the other and he wnet in the cage and the wall went back a good foot.
How dare you Roth! This has no place on BE and in the serious world of MMA!! I have my serious face on right now with glasses at the tip of my nose…
by troutki on Dec 30, 2011 12:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
That was Taz. It was a great moment that I loved. It had never happened before. Loved the reaction of the crowd and the announcers.
Thanks Roth for this series. I still want my props for the Zack Gowen clip thou LOL
by DonkeyOatey on Dec 30, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I can’t even recreate the reaction I made when I first saw this.
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by Krimson on Dec 30, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Mine was the same as the crowd's and Taz'
‘HOLY SHIT!’
by Matthew Roth on Dec 30, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Way too young to scream that out in my room BUT I did say such a thing playing Silent Hill….never again….
Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Dec 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha man your parents were to strict.
You must have been pretty young if they honestly cared that much.
My opinion>Your onion.
by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 30, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
mine
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 30, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
The crowd reaction is great.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
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Oh wait I forgot.
Rabble rabble I hate wrestling and I have to make it known rabble rabble I HAVE to tell everyone how much I hate this article rabble rabble EMEMMAY!!
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by Krimson on Dec 30, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Damn Rabble; get some Rhinoplasty
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
I'm still waiting for my CM Punk WWE Ice Cream Bar.
Go Chargers (oh yeah I said that)
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
Where I grew up very few people were fans of pro wrestling. But everyone had at least one geeky squeeky voiced friend who watched it. Maybe for some of us ball busting pro wrestling fans is just a different form of nostalgia.
by UncleMax on Dec 30, 2011 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
take a number : )
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
I'm still waiting for my CM Punk WWE Ice Cream Bar.
Go Chargers (oh yeah I said that)
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
I’m not trying to hate about you doing these articles, I understand that they’re a big part of Lesnar’s past and I’m not going to get upset over that. The one thing I can’t understand though is how people over the age of 13 can find WWE at all enjoyable.
by savik on Dec 30, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's a campy form of entertainment. We all know it's fake
It’s stunts like this and CM Punk’s shoot promo this summer that suspend that belief and make you say…wait…maybe…maybe it’s kinda real?
by Matthew Roth on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
And they deaded that CM Punk train with the quickness.
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by Krimson on Dec 30, 2011 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s not the “fake” part I have a problem with, movies are fake and I can enjoy watching most movies. Its just so damn cheesy that I can’t see how anybody other than a child would get a kick out of it. Maybe it was somewhat better years ago, when they didn’t cater to a PG audience
It’s possible that everyone who enjoys this is a child, regardless of age ;)
by UncleMax on Dec 30, 2011 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And everyone who complains every single article about this needs to get a hobbie or some companions to help pass the time.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You enjoy it the same way you enjoy 60's Batman or a transformers movie
Greatest lover ever during the day, Trainyard Sleeper at night.
Since when is 'cheesiness'
Something only children enjoy? All the fans of cheese I know of are all adults, well aware of what they’re enjoying.
by WheelieMonkey on Dec 30, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Different kinda breaking the ring.
Those ropes broke.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Public Enemy and their fans collapsed the ring legitimately in ECW
Greatest lover ever during the day, Trainyard Sleeper at night.
Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_blS46Z5pg
Greatest lover ever during the day, Trainyard Sleeper at night.
that was so stupid lol
I want my 2 min back
" Did that asshole just shoot at us?" " He did that mother fucker just broke the cooler I'm gonna fucking kill him" - PVT Wilson (Bitching that a Insurgent put a bullet hole in our cooler)
by Bloodsport on Dec 30, 2011 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for putting these together Matt
I, for one, have thoroughly enjoyed the series.
by Joe Obo on Dec 30, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
The support for this is ridiculous.
Have you all forgotten that Matt Roth is ruining MMA????
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by Chris Hall on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 PM EST via Android app reply actions
2 times a day now.
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by spectaa on Dec 30, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I also enjoy these.
Hate WWE all you want but without WWE, you have never heard of Brock Lesner. This is a major part of his career and life.
by San Jose Sharks Fan on Dec 30, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions
Without pro-wrestling in general, as nottheface pointed out in his fanpost, there is no UFC.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 30, 2011 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nyet.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
Do you mean UFC specifically
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Go read his article.
"I don't know where this term "training camp" in MMA came from. There's no campground. There's no tents." - Nick Diaz
My twitter: @TB_Money
I did, but I do not agree
Trace the history of professional wrestling and trace the history of martial arts, vale tudo, and fighting in general.
Out of those, which was around first?
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Same place. Two different types of evolutions.
One kept the name of pro-wrestling the other changed into what we know as vale tudo
Greatest lover ever during the day, Trainyard Sleeper at night.
It was a good article for sure
I guess the thing I have issue with, is at what point did it become “Professional” wrestling.
I understand they all have roots in combat sports but that article seems to have a bias because of its underlying support for the WWE articles around here
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Some of us were wrestling fans when we were younger.
It’s normal to still like what you liked as a kid.
During Lesnar’s run in WWE I was 11 years old, why can’t I enjoy revisiting something that I liked when I was younger? It’s like shitty 80’s synth pop, it may be stupid but if you enjoyed it when you were younger you probably enjoy it now.
When the term “proffesional” wrestling was taken I don’t know. I’ll use the nottheface signal
Greatest lover ever during the day, Trainyard Sleeper at night.
Like WWE all you want. I like far dorkier things
And while I don’t think there needs to be all these youtube clips of past WWE events on this site, I don’t say stop posting them or whatever.
I do love reading the comments around here and if there is something I disagree with I have the same right as everyone else to discuss those comments
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
What? Are you being reasonable?
FUCK!
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If you disagree with the history nottheface detailed you can’t deny that JMMA was rooted deeply in professional wrestling, which kept MMA afloat for a very long time. Also, look at some of the best selling PPV’s of the UFC over the years. You will find that most times either Dan Severn, Ken Shamrock or Brock Lesnar were involved.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 30, 2011 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont disagree with the history he detailed.
I just dont agree that without “Professional” wrestling there would be no UFC.
Wrestling, boxing, JJ, and fighting in genereal have been around forever. This is the information age where you can see whatever you like on tv/internet etc. and MMA connects with a lot of younger males for the same reason those individual sports do. I just dont likee when everyone tries to take credit for this or that
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Without PRIDE and eventually TUF I think it would have been very difficult for MMA and the UFC to survive the dark times. Both are rooted heavily in pro-wrestling in different ways.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 30, 2011 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes, really
I will keep my replies to the thread above though to avoid distracting you from your search of WWE youtube videos to summarize as the next front page article
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
You think you're taking a shot at me which is fine
But you’re also incredibly naive if you don’t believe MMA has a historical connection to professional wrestling.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 30, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you've written better articles then what these have been.
But these articles seem to be a result of 2 things: Page views (which is fine) and as another writer said, because you can (which you have proved your point but dont let that stop ya!)
historical connection? yes
no UFC without professional wrestling? NO
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
No. Incorrect.
I’ve done this series because no one has ever done it. Brock has 7 fights, 2 bouts with diverticulitis, and one tuf season. That’s his MMA career. Why ignore what actually made him a star? Has it gotten a ton of traffic? Yes. But that’s just a benefit.
MMA/vale tudo/judo/bjj all are connected to pro wrestling. Both the campy thing you see on television and the catch-as-catch-can wrestling from the 1900s.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 30, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone on this site and their Grandma knows Brock got famous from WWE
But putting up a new random video clip of him from his WWE days everyday with a little description of it just doesn’t seem as important as actual MMA news. Just my opinion. Like I said earlier I don’t complain when these articles are posted. Unfortunately this thread had become a drawn out discussion that is now turning into that.
I think they have some common historic connections, just not that without one there would never be another.
These are opinions on both sides, each have facts to support. blah blah blah.
Agree to disagree?
When in Rome???
Bueller?
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Historically speaking the catch wrestlers of the 1900s were viewed as tough guys
And many of the top guys challenged the Gracies when they made their trips around the world. The also challenged the judo guys. The idea of proving your style is the best kinda came out of that carny mindset challenging people in the crowds.
Modern MMA is connected more with professional wrestling than other sports not just because of the PPV model but also because it’s not truly a sport in the most basic definition. If it was pure sport then efficient fighters like Jon Fitch would be challenging for titles. It just happens that the sport is closer to sports entertainment with the most marketable person getting the shot.
by Matthew Roth on Dec 30, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Take a look at UFC 1
What did they say was the premise for that. To try different martial arts against each other and see which would win. I’d say that has less to do with catch wrestling than modern day MMA.
Fighting and combat sports have manifested themselves in may different forms. You can argue your point til youre blue in the face that it’s a linear evolution that professional wrestling lead to the UFC or MMA (this thread was started when Memtim said UFC came from pro wrestling) but I just don’t agree with that.
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
UFC 1, with Ken Shamrock, the guy from Pancrese, which was real pro wrestling has no connection to pro wrestling?
You're like a child wandering into a movie...
I never said there was no connection. please read before you comment.
This discussion started from someone saying without professional wrestling there would be no UFC. Most of my argument has been based on the fact that combat sports have existed for quite some time in many different cultures and disciplines and the UFC did not come to exist because of a linear evolution resulting from professional wrestling.
Also, fuck Ken Shamrock
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
But professional combat sports - prizefighting - is relatively new
After dying out in the ancient world it sprung up in 16th-17th England. The British empire basically spread the idea of pro fighting.
As for why MMA is related to pro wrestling it’s because it is. It’s the direct descendant of it. In the early 20th, before it became theater, the professional wrestling biz pitted different styles of wrestling against each other as well as against boxing, judo/jujutsu, and savate. Basically mixed martial arts. To allow everyone to use their techniques there was something called “all-in” or “anything goes” wrestling. When wrestling went fake they used all-in rules because it was more exciting, so in Japan when they started doing MMA all they originally did is start wrestling under all-in rules for real.
In Brazil they never stopped doing it for real. A bunch of Japanese, European, and American wrestlers introduced the “anything goes” concept of having different disciplines fight each other to Brazil which they called vale tudo. Vale tudo is Portuguese for “anything goes”. It’s the same old pre WWI wrestling under a Portuguese name.
Ahhh! They called in the expert! :)
That was a good article with great history and insight by the way.
First off I never said MMA wasn’t related to wrestling in any way. So scratch your first point.
If you want to label fighting as professional wrestling, that’s fine. Fighting has been around forever- armed, unarmed, whatever. People have always enjoyed it, whether it was considered professional or not. I think they all share a common history and background, yadda yadda yadda.
I will never agree that without professional wrestling there wouldn’t have been a UFC. The concept of using all the techniques wasnt even considered then. it was more about 1 style vs another at first. Lots of martial art disciplines focus on multiple aspects of fighting or defense. MMA was a natural evolution as fighters learn about other disciplines, skills, etc and strive to better themselves.
It just seems you want to label MMA as professional wrestling because professional wrestling used a variety of moves in their no-holds barred fighting. I don’t agree with that labeling
No, your dumb
by RashadsLeftNipple on Dec 30, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
How dare you speak ill of the Living Death.
Also, I’m pretty sure Ken Shamrock was one of the first controversial fighters UFC had when he was beefing with Tito. Anger control, the man has none.
by El_Ee_Oh on Dec 30, 2011 6:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No. It’s not BS. Look at the history. Like I said, nottheface detailed it quite brilliantly.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bubble Burst...
About a year ago, I watched a shoot interview on Kayfabe commentaries.com with Tazz. They all knew the ring would collapse, Shane McMahon told Tazz and Michael Cole to sell it as best as possible, with a “holy shit”. because the show is taped on a Tuesday, they knew they could edit it. And Terry Taylor is the asshole that ripped the “ring break” off ECW, with Bam Bam Bigelow and Tazz in 98. Now WWE uses it as a running gimmick to get a superstar over.
’’Apparently the the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke…personally I'd just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
Yes
But I’m including ring implosions + People going through the ring… i.e. Big show choke slamming Undertaker through the ring. They’re both used for the same effect.
’’Apparently the the only way to kill a lion is by rear naked choke…personally I'd just kick it in the head.’’ – Bas Rutten
Next I want to see an article about how Kurt Angle impacted the milk industry
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by Garbanzo on Dec 30, 2011 1:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, don’t be surprised if it’s true. Don’t be surprised if it’s Damn true
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by Krimson on Dec 30, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice, ever since I saw the staredown between Brock and the Reem yesterday...
I keep envisioning them doing the same thing to the Octagon.
An annoying Fitch fan.
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Professional wrestling on an MMA site?
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence.
You're trolling at this point
You haven’t even tried to tie any of these articles to Brock’s upcoming fight. I guess its an easier way to get comments rather than actually writing an article.
What is he trolling?
He made it clear that his series of articles was going to be a retrospective of Brock’s WWE career. It’s relevant because it gives quite a bit of background on Brock Lesnar the human being as well as how he was able to become the #1 box office draw in MMA, bar none. That, and it’s entertaining. Just leave.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Exactly! C’mon Roth! Quit writing these random wraslin stories that have nothing or nobody involved that is related to MM…oh wait.
by troutki on Dec 30, 2011 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm loving these articles. I was at one point
as big an MMA snob as one could be. I hated that it was constantly compared to wrestling, that it wasn’t considered a true sport, that the athletes weren’t considered some of the best in the world, that it was considered a blood, or fringe, or unnecessarily violent sport. I trained MMA, fought mma, and looked down on those who watched the silliness of Professional Wrestling (which I loved the hell out of as a kid during the boom years of the WCW/WWE feud). I’d grown up and moved past it.
Now, a decade or so later, I just don’t care anymore. The WWE is incredibly entertaining, they have some amazing athletes who do amazing things, and aside from some of the more ridiculous soap opera aspects of the shows (the monologues kill me), I’m starting to enjoy it again.
As for its relevance to MMA, there have been very good fan posts describing how mma and pro wrestling will always be linked. The top MMA star in the world didn’t become so by being the best fighter in the world, but by having name recognition and bringing over a huge pro wrestling audience who wanted to see if he could do the real thing. He did, and we’ll see tonight if he can do it again.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Luke thomas would love seeing what has been happening in BE lately.
"UFC is so gay, pride is awesome!"
this fight is gonna be badass
But I can’t wait for it to be over so I don’t have to see. Brock fighting sharks climbing ropes and f5 or whatever keyboard letter it is, given I could’ve skipped the article but I like the comments lol. I fully expect to see a how to crack your back chiropractor article next time Volcomb fights.
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