2012 MMA Predictions - Futures of Each Division and More
Since the dawn of time, people have had a morbid curiosity about predicting the future. Tea leaves, I Ching, crystal balls, palmistry, astrology and more pseudo-science than you can shake a dowsing rod at have been used to guesstimate matters of the heart, war, business deals and everything else under the sun. Of course, this stuff doesn't really work. Nobody genuinely believes in this fortune telling bunk, but let's try it anyways - and make it MMA-specific.
Even though it is winter and I am cheap, pretend that the multi-colored wool beanie I am wearing was given to me by a savant trainer and that the blanket around me shows that I have magical powers of prediction due to many years of learning the ways of the mystical Hindu sages. I, Swami Guru, will tell you with convincing authority exactly what will happen in 2012 division by division and prime mover by prime mover.
Swami Guru predicts that Jon Jones will lose his belt in 2012, Anderson Silva keeps making Anderson Silva money and that Georges St. Pierre will wait until February of 2013 to fight again. Swami Guru is also putting his Lesnar/Overeem pick after the jump.
Hit the jump for the full set of predictions and a look back at how my 2011 predictions matched up to reality. Turns out they were not quite the trainwreck I expected when I begin writing this piece.
Fights and Fighter predictions:
Swami Guru points out that there have been only five dominant weight class champions in mixed martial arts history. Fedor Emelianenko, Matt Hughes, Georges St. Pierre, Cristiane Santos and Anderson Silva. The odds of one fighter joining that company are very small. Swami Guru hedges his mystical feelings with odds whenever appropriate and thus foretells that a LHW out there will shock us all and dethrone Jon Jones. Hypothetical karma points will be bet on Rashad Evans being the one to do the king-killing. Avoid those elbows and everything else is easy peasy.
Now that Junior dos Santos has the UFC belt and Alistair Overeem is fighting Brock Lesnar this weekend, we will have a convergence of almost all major heavyweight titles in existence at some point in early 2012. For this weekend, Swami Guru picks Overeem by second round KO. Lesnar is a warrior for sure, yet the time off for the health troubles makes this a too tough jump back into the pool.
The subsequent unification of heavyweight titles is hugely meaningful, but it's too bad that Swami Guru sees this unified belt ping ponging back and forth between the division for the next year. Junior will lose his first defense, Cain Velasquez will rise like the phoenix and yet again be taken down by another. If Lesnar stays in the sport, he will challenge for the title this time next year.
We see a truly wonderful spectacle in Anderson/Bisping over the summer. Weidman takes out everybody en route to the Okami position - including Okami. Edgar continues his storybook run until finally losing in late 2012.
Ben Askren will stand with Douglas Lima. For one round. Zach Makovsky will stand with Dudu Dantas for one minute. Spike TV will love Bellator and the Bellator fighters will go ape en masse if the judging continues to be as spotty as it was in 2011.
Guram Gugenishvili will continue to tantalize while slowly improving his stand-up. Jared Rosholt will use his Overem training camp connections to avoid getting snaked by Bellator before the UFC talent scouting division finally wakes up to his potential. Bigfoot Silva will fight Shane Carwin as a welcome back bout. Satoshi Ishii will take a narrow decision loss to Fedor and then finally fight for Strikeforce as a light heavyweight. Stephan Bonnar will get the delight of welcoming Glover Teixeira to the UFC. Swami Guru also predicts that Yoel Romero does not return to MMA. Jimi Manuwa will stay over in Yurrup for another year, building his skills. People will remember Jordan Smith again. And Yuri Villefort will be surpassed by Erick Silva as THE welterweight prospect to watch. Backflips > ACL Injuries.
Gunnar Nelson doesn't move out of Iceland and continues to fritter away an MMA career. He still rocks the No Gi Euros though. Pato Carvalho works with Paul Heyman and turns heel in order to drive his 2012 campaign for the FW belt. He has to go heel because there is no way anybody on the planet can hate Jose Aldo. Big Nog comes back by September 2012. Frank Mir fights winner of Cormier/Barnett and the winner of that gets the next title shot. Palhares breaks no limbs in 2012. Miguel Torres will get rehired.
General Trends:
People will realize that wrestling is almost as bad as judo in terms of injury potential. Falling correctly will be trained more and more by the smart fighters and trainers. A select few, like Nick Diaz, will start playing around with weird concepts like rolling backwards during a takedown in order to confuse top game wrestlers and cause scrambles.
The Zuffa higher ups will realize that Strikeforce should become the WEC 2.0, with a 135 women's division and continuing to contest every division but heavyweight. Zuffa will stumble massively with the lighter weights because they have not put much into scouting genuine prospects. Promotional limitations will become apparent and another face at Zuffa will emerge.
Nova Uniao will make a serious push to hold prominent MMA organization 145, 135 and 125 belts by the end of 2012. The myth of Black House being the best Brazilian camp will finally be debunked. Or the Blackzilians will take that title.
Random Stuff Definitely Going to Happen:
Grantland collapses. Mayweather/Pacquiao still doesn't happen. Germany wins Euro 2012. The Knicks flame out over the last half of the season and miss the playoffs. The Higgs-Boson is conclusively found and the masses collectively shrug. Swami Guru makes a summer pilgrimage to the Himalayas. Jason High will be shown to be the next best thing to Bill Cosby in all of mixed martial arts when he does a Combustible Huxtable-style race against someone like Tyron Woodley and posts it on Twitter.
Takes Swami Guru hat off.
Way back in January of this year, a group of friends and I posted our predictions for 2011 over on the InStrength board. Looking back on my educated guesses, some are so bad as to make me wince, others are halfway decent and a couple were terrific.
I'm particularly proud of the following:
- calling the title reign of Junior dos Santos and
- the Chael Sonnen win over Brian Stann
- getting the correct result for the Phil Davis vs Antonio Rogerio Noguiera fight
That's not bad. It's almost as good as predicting that Mauricio Rua would lose his LHW title to Jon Jones, who would then beat Quinton Jackson before fighting Lyoto Machida. Unfortunately, I also predicted that Machida would win that match-up with Jones.
Other things that I completely blanked or whiffed on were:
- the star turn of Nick Diaz
- Jacare Souza losing the Strikeforce middleweight belt to Luke Rockhold in Strikeforce
- GSP not moving up to middleweight
- the buyout of Strikeforce itself by Zuffa
- Predicted an interim title for the wrong weight class (HW instead of WW)
- Cheick Kongo did not knee someone else in the groin!!!
If you squint real hard and give me the benefit of every doubt possible, I can't be said to have completely missed the boat on these:
- Predicting that Cain would fight one or less times in 2011
- Ryan Bader having a very rough time against the elite at 205 lbs
- Charles Oliveira getting another win (the Nik Lentz win, which was officially turned into a no contest) before losing yet again (I picked a wrestler, but Donald Cerrone will certainly do in a pinch).
As yet, unresolved predictions:
- Overeem reigns over everything
- Edgar/Penn III happens in 2012
- Anderson fighting Jacare in 2012.
- Jon Fitch takes over the championless welterweight division.
- Muhammad Lawal taking a fight with Gegard Mousasi over a Strikeforce title shot because he's ornery that way.
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Swami Guru points out that there have been only five dominant weight class champions in mixed martial arts history. Fedor Emelianenko, Matt Hughes, Georges St. Pierre, Cristiane Santos and Wanderlei Silva.
Have you met my friend, the only person who fights at 185lbs that even matters, Anderson Silva?
by feniin on Dec 27, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
not only will jones beat rashad, we will see the worst side of his mean streak in that fight.
by phantom5691 on Dec 27, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rafael Oliveira?
Well that’s wrong on two points – 1.) It’s Charles Oliveira who fought Lentz and 2.) It’s Rafaello Oliveira (or something like that).
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
to be fair
Rafaello Oliveira fought Lentz too
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by Brian Hemminger on Dec 27, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck It. Here's the champs on 12/31/2012:
HW: JDS
LHW: Bones
MW: Chael
WW: Fitch
LW: Jose Aldo
FW: Chad Mendes
BW: Renan Pegado
FW: Joseph Benavidez
"Hi. I don't know you." - me
"Cigano punch my face...all the time." - Anderson Silva
Fitch? Yeah right.
I know everybody likes to go on this spill about how Fitch can beat everybody not named GSP but guess what to be champion still requires you to get a title shot which Fitch wont get in 2012.
It’s the same thing with Mendes, if you have Mendes as your FW champ then you must have him upsetting Aldo because if he loses on January 14th he sure as hell isnt getting another shot before the end of the year.
So where will you be when Fitch beats Johnny Hendrincks Friday?
Are you going to then say “you’d knew he’d win all along”. Let’s be honest here, I think Fitch could beat Condit, who right now stands at the number 3 WW in the world. So do the math.
My opinion>Your onion.
by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 27, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not bashing Fitch. Chances are he probably could beat everybody not named GSP at 170 but how is he becoming the champion by the end of 2012?
Condit vs. Diaz is in Feb. If they are not held out until GSP returns, then they will face the Ellenberger/Sanchez winner and then face GSP.
I agree.
However, If Dana White based matches of merit, then Fitch would have definitely been facing Condit for the title, instead of Condit getting a shot by riding off DHK. DHK is fighting on the prelim card Friday just to prove a point. I think it’s kind of sad how title matches are awarded.
My opinion>Your onion.
by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 27, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Condit finished DHK, which is pretty much a better win than anything Jon Fitch has done in the last two years.
by discoandherpes on Dec 27, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree with this.
But I don’t see too many guys at WW beating Fitch now that GSP is gone. Fitch needed a reason to fight, now he’s got one.
"Hi. I don't know you." - me
"Cigano punch my face...all the time." - Anderson Silva
I think he can probably beat anyone in a three round fight, but five rounds is a totally different story. I’d give guys like Condit and Diaz a good shot against him. I’d also take a guy like Mike Pierce or Hendricks in a five round fight against Fitch as well.
by discoandherpes on Dec 27, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
So much Fitch love
I guess if your gonna be one dimensional be a wrestler. Fitch’s time is coming, I don’t think it will be Hendricks, but 1-D wrestler is a division full of wrestlers more well rounded then you doesn’t look good for Jonny boy.
If he beats Johnny Hendricks as easily as I think he will then that will decide this
conversation. DHK is no better or worse than Hendricks.
My opinion>Your onion.
by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 27, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Fitch finishes Hendricks.
by discoandherpes on Dec 27, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Fitch has been #2 for a while. What usually happens when the #1 guy goes away??
And do you think it’s that strange for Mendes to upset Aldo? I decided to go crazy and say Mendes beats Aldo due to the weight cut being too harsh, Aldo moves up and destroys a few guys, gets fast-tracked and takes the title. Crazy? Yes. But also possible.
Let’s see your picks. Put up.
"Hi. I don't know you." - me
"Cigano punch my face...all the time." - Anderson Silva
The whole point is Dana White and Joe Silva and I guess Sean Shleby too(is he still match maker for 125,135, and 145 or only SF?) decide whos gonna challenge for the title and they’re not big Fitch fans so I just dont see them giving Fitch a title shot.
My picks for champs at the end of 2012.
HW: Overeem
LHW: Bones
MW: Silva
WW: GSP
LW: Henderson
FW: Aldo
BW: Cruz
FW: Benavidez
That is a fair point.
But I get this feeling Fitch will be energized by the vacancy at the top. We’ll see soon enough. And in fairness your picks are much more likely to happen, but also much less interesting/controversial.
"Hi. I don't know you." - me
"Cigano punch my face...all the time." - Anderson Silva
Are you doing the Snowden with your predictions?
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
“Creating Discussion?” Yeah, that’s the ticket.
"Hi. I don't know you." - me
"Cigano punch my face...all the time." - Anderson Silva
Yup exactly
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
I was thinking this last night.
Fitch will get the belt this year.
GO GET SOME, DONALD CERRONAY!! - Greg Jackson
Fitch was boring before he fought GSP
But he still did
He gets no title shot these because there’s no intrigue or value in one
He has no real way to win at all or lose interestingly vs GSP
Now things are different
GSP
GSP loses to Diaz in title unification bout at UFC 160
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by LenBarson on Dec 27, 2011 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gunni Nelson
Has his first fight of 2012 scheduled for February in Ireland – no opponent yet though.
Put them in the comments here. Look at how far-fetched some of Swami Guru’s are. They can’t possibly be worse.
Twitter: @DefGrappler
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-Cyborg continues to dominant and becomes Strikeforce’s top draw, culminating in a super fight between her and 135-pound champion Tate (whom submits Rowdy in a come from behind win after being dominated for the better part of the fight)
-Gina Carano returns and knocks out Hiroko Yamanaka
-Jon Fitch finishes half his fights in 2012
-Formiga contends for the a UFC belt
-Rebney gets caught fixing fights and Bellator folds
-Fedor retires after, then unretires and continues to fight in Japan and Russia
Jon Fitch finishes half his fights in 2012
Dude couldn’t finish his breakfast in that much time, much less a fight. If he finishes more then 1 person this new year, I’ll eat my newborn.
" Overeem reigns over everything"
I nominate MegaReem for Supreme Chancellor of Glactic Republic!
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Dec 27, 2011 1:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Swami Guru reminds you that
Zaphod Beeblebrox already had that position. And the Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster drink too.
Twitter: @DefGrappler
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Swami Guru points out that there have been only five dominant weight class champions in mixed martial arts history. Fedor Emelianenko, Matt Hughes, Georges St. Pierre, Cristiane Santos and Anderson Silva.
No mention of Tito or Chuck? Or what about Penn?
Swami Guru points out that
Chuck only reigned for two years against mostly sub-par competition and Wanderlei was wrecking shop at the time.
The same sub-par competition went for Tito.
Penn is the only true monster on that list. Five title defenses (counting the first Edgar fight as a win), but his yo-yoing between weight classes and subsequent losses hurt his dominance.
Twitter: @DefGrappler
InStrength dot com.
" yo-yoing between weight classes and subsequent losses hurt his dominance."
And if by that you mean ,“made him a two weight class champ and endeared to all true fight fans around the world.” Than I couldn’t agree more. :-p
"Many have the will to win. Few have to will to prepare to win."
" A black belt only covers 2 inches of your ass. The rest is up to you." - Royce Gracie
"Wanderlei eventually got to his feet and stalked Fujita like a Japanese octopus in an all-female prison." - Sean Baby Cracked.com
by the-gentle-way on Dec 27, 2011 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Swami Guru loves Baby Jay. However, dharma requires strict standards.
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by Ben Thapa on Dec 27, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How can you say that and yet include Cristiane Santos? She’s been fighting sub-par competition (well, mostly, she fought some good fighters that belonged at 135).
Ok, Penn wasn’t dominant in WW but in LW? Comeon, now.
She’s fought Coenen. That’s about one good fighter right?
by discoandherpes on Dec 27, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Cris Cyborg is so far ahead of her competition that Yamanaka, a top 10 opponent, was -1400. There has basically never been a men’s competitor like her.
Joe Daddy isn’t that good, Florian can’t hold a title belt in any division, Diego got beat by Kampmann and was being beaten by Thiago until the nose break, Sherk got beaten down by Dunham and Edgar beat him in the second fight decisively.
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by Ben Thapa on Dec 27, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HW- JDS
LHW- Davis
MW- Anderson
WW (interim)- Diaz
LW- Diaz
FW- Aldo
BW- Barao
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 27, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
what about FLW?
I enjoy MMA, but I am no Michael Bisping
by Andy Anderson on Dec 27, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Zuffa will give Dodson every chance to get that title. Tough to say he will end the year with the belt but I’ll say yes.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 27, 2011 3:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this
They want either Dodson or Joe B Wan Kenobi to win that belt
I enjoy MMA, but I am no Michael Bisping
by Andy Anderson on Dec 27, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
If I had to put money on it
Joe B is the flyweight champion by the end of the year. The guy is a top three bantamweight and can probably beat any fighter not named Dominick Cruz or Urijah Faber at that weight. I think Mighty Mouse is his biggest threat, and I think Benavidez can put him on his back.
by discoandherpes on Dec 27, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I see Joe B going thru everyone he faces and Dodson doing the same with the two of them meeting at the end of the year.maybe early 2013, but I’ll stand by it.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 27, 2011 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would be truely shocked if Nate Diaz is Lw champion this time next year
Always Remember, Don't Be A Sucker
by Our Bovine Public on Dec 27, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see him beating Bendo or Edgar, but I’d give him a good shot to beat anyone else in that division.
by discoandherpes on Dec 27, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
really?
I’d still take Gray, Guida Miller and Cerrone. Basically anyone that can wrestle could hold him down for 3 rounds. 5 rounds becomes a different story completely though
Always Remember, Don't Be A Sucker
by Our Bovine Public on Dec 27, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I got Nate Diaz
in the rematch against Maynard. He beat him almost twice. If guida fights nate like he did pettis then yea he could do it. I think Miller/Diaz is a great fight and almost as good as Cerrone/Diaz.
Diaz got wrecked by Rory Mac but that guy is a future champ. Diaz lost by points to the Asian Fitch.
He isn’t getting the belt, but he has a chance.
Dana: Hey Nate, I’ll make you a deal.
Nate: Grrr…
Dana: Beat Cerrone and make sure Nick stays in line leading up to Super Bowl weekend and I’ll give you the winner of Bendo/Edgar for the belt.
Nate: Grrrr…
Dana: Excellent, deal.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 27, 2011 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We will see what his chances are after he faces Cerrone. That’s a great test, if he passes I think he will at the very least compete for the belt in 2012. Then, who knows? Two Diaz champs in the UFC at the same time. Hell ya!
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 27, 2011 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that would be nuts
I enjoy MMA, but I am no Michael Bisping
by Andy Anderson on Dec 27, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
You are crazy
Nate hasn’t beaten a single top LW in his career…unless you count Gray Maynard back at TUF.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
...Then again, you think Roger Gracie has a chance against Jon Jones
So while you’re generally correct in much of what you say, the wild things you mention are so far from reality it’s no wonder you support the Jets and your “top 10 draft pick” caliber QB. ;)
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
Give Gracie a few more bouts and some more time training with Zahabi and he will pose a challenge for Jones. Or anyone at LHW. He’s about 18 months away. Hopefully Strikeforce keeps him busy.
As far as Nate, I want to see how he does against Cerrone. He comes out on top and faces Bendo down the road I think that is a very competitive bout that could go either way.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 27, 2011 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And as far as the Jets, I’ve been supporting who ever was taking snaps going back to Richard Todd. Results have been the same in the end, just the level of disappointment changes.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 27, 2011 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Predictions
HW – Dos Santos (Brock won’t get him down, Reem’s chin isn’t that good)
LHW – Davis (Enough defensive wrestling and Jits to not be dominated, and enough to get it done too)
MW – Anderson Silva (Retires with belt)
Ww – Rory Macdonald (after having a Jon Jones year, side note: more younger fighters need to fight more often, get the name out)
LW – Benson Henderson (no real reason)
FW – Zombie! (cranberries)
BW – Barao (thumb suckin’)
FLW – I dunno. Havn’t watched alot, not sure where to watch these guys fight. I guess I can watch more D. Johnson and Benevidez matchs but not seeing it there. So I’m going with Dodson for the fuck of it.
So yea 5-6 new champions, lol
That’s not happening.
Picks
HW- Reem
LHW- Rashad
MW- Chael
WW- GSP
LW- Edgar (wins another controversial decision over Bendo) Will lose to Aldo but one of them gets hurt so it doesn’t happen in 2012
FW- Mendes (LnP’s to victory and Aldo moves up to LW)
BW- Cruz
FLW- Uncle Creepy
My picks for UFC titleholders
HW-Dos Santos (but barely,I think Reem beats Lesnar easily on Friday,Lesnar leaves the sport for possible WWE return,JDS-Reem fight and JDS exposes Reem’s suspect chin,I could see Reem winning the title though)
LHW- Bones (Davis upsets Evans because of the reason I think Jones would beat Evans,Bones and Davis are HWs in my eyes,Evans is a MW,and even if Evans beat Davis,Jones will just use his size and skills to beat Evans)
MW-Silva (he fights Bisping or Sonnen again in the summer,beats one of them,realizes that there’s really no one else for him to fight,and retires on top)
WW- GSP (Diaz beats Condit, GSP-Diaz fights in the fall and GSP carefully LnP’s to a Decision)
LW- Bendo (2012 might be the craziest year for LWs,ever,Cerrone beats Diaz on friday,Bendo upsets Edgar in Japan,Cerrone and Bendo meet again, and Bendo wins again,but there are a lot of scenarios in this division that includes Aldo,Guillard,Miller,Maynard,etc)
FW- Aldo (Aldo somehow avoids Mendes LnP tactics,hopefully fights Hioki once Hioki gets some convincing wins in)
BW- Cruz (I’m rooting for Bowles to get back in the title picture though,since he used to live in Athens,GA,where I live)
FLW- Benavidez (hopefully some Asian talent come in to spice up this division)

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