Profiling Overeem's K-1 Career
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Alistair Overeem is a top 5 heavyweight in MMA, but most of the hype surrounding his entry into the UFC and fight with Brock Lesnar doesn't have much to do with MMA at all. Ubereem's most relevant win in MMA was a lackluster snoozefest over Werdum, followed close behind by a shellacking of model citizen Brett Rogers.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't get excited about Overeem's impending entry into the the world's number one promotion, because of another sport: Kickboxing. Whether or not Overeem's K-1 career will translate into MMA striking success remains to be seen, but that doesn't mean his phenomenal run shouldn't be celebrated. If you haven't caught his K-1 exploits, now is the time to do so. After the jump you can find all of Overeem's recent K-1 fights and a little context to help you better understand the drama behind them.
Reem vs Hari 1
Although Overeem was taking kickboxing fights as young as 17, by New Year's Eve 2008 he was firmly an "MMA guy" and was being pitted in a bout with Hari as more of a "Japanese Special Attraction" than a competitive kickboxing bout. In fact, this was originally planned to be a two fight contract where Overeem and Hari would meet first under K-1 rules and second under MMA rules the next year for fairness. Alistair hadn't been in a kickboxing fight in years and the last two he was in ended with him on the canvass, and was fighting relevant mma competition like Gary Goodridge. Although he had recently bulked up, and had was winning a fight against Cro Cop before it was NC'd, concerns over Alistair's chin (especially after a massive setback against Kharitonov) made many question his ability to take on top quality MMA competition, never mind in K-1.
Contrast this with Hari, arguably the uncrowned number one K-1 heavyweight in the world at the time. He was coming off a phenomenal 2008 run. His vicious aggressive style had him win 6 straight in the year by knockout, before being DQ'd in the K-1 finals for not being able to control his aggression and stomping Remy Bojasky on the ground.
Few informed fans were expecting this one to end with Alistair remaining conscious. What followed was the stuff of legend: Fight starts at 4:40
Badr Hari vs. Alistair Overeem [Dynamite! 2008] ENGLISH Commentary (via Shakerbakerben)
By knocking out a top ranked heavyweight in Hari, Overeem became an immediate K-1 sensation, and instantly relevant. It seemed like Hari got tagged by a tight left hook everytime Alistair threw it, and we were of course introduced to the uberknee. Hardcore kickboxing fans resented him massively for walking into K-1 and treating it as a secondary pursuit. However, he was massively popular with casual fans with his crossover appeal and scary physique, and the controversy made all his fights must-see affairs.
Reem v Bonjasky
Overeem wasn't brought along slowly by the K-1 brass. His next opponent was three time and defending K-1 champion Remy Bonjasky. Was Overeem for real or was his KO over Hari luck? Bonjasky would serve as just as stiff a test.
If you want to see Bonjasky deal out some serious punishment, then check out some of these fights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRORMHD541Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQecvJK7m1E
Here is the fight, starts at 7:42
Alistair Overeem vs Remy Bonjasky K-1 World GP 2009 in Yokohama #06 (via joeywegman)
Although Overeem was ultimately unsuccessful in the bout, going the distance and arguably taking a round against the legend came with it some legitimacy in kickboxing, that a potentially lucky shot against Hari couldn't bring. The loss actually served to increase Overeem's legitimacy as a potential new contender.
Reem v Aerts 1
It is this legitimacy and popular appeal that brought the fans to use an internet poll to vote Overeem into the K-1 GP Final 16 despite having a dismal 3-3 record so far. The GP format has the final 16 as an event and the 8 winners then face off in a one night affair. Oveerem was matched against literally "Mr. K-1" the Randy Couture of kickboxing, the fading legend of Peter Aerts, a surprisingly competitive then 39 year old three time champion who had never failed to qualify for the final 8. Despite his advanced age he was still highly successful with his only losses in years being against top heavyweights Semmy Schilt and Badr Hari. Overeem was a huge underdog and his past cardio issues led many to conclude that Overeem's only chance was a lucky early shot. Aerts is a huge draw for the GP and the MMA upstart Overeem was being brought in to lose. Fight starts at 7:28.
Alistair Overeem vs Peter Aerts [K-1 World Grand Prix 2009 Final 16] #07 (via joeywegman)
The always witty Michael Schiavello described Oveerem as not just A-donis but THE-donis. Overeem's continued growth seemed especially apparent in this fight, bullying the lankier Aerts around the ring, throwing him down to the ground like nothing. If you wanted to watch a single K-1 fight to understand Overeem's kickboxing style this is the one. Keeping a tight guard around his head, the Reem advances almost ploddingly. He has become extremely disciplined, not throwing looping hooks or gassing himself out. He gets inside the range to negate his general disadvantage at distance against superior kickers like Aerts and looks to pick his shots from the clinch, using his size to maintain control up close. Despite throwing way less shots than Aerts, Overeem gained himself entry into the Grand Prix final 8 by landing with more frequency.
2009 K-1 GP
After the huge Aerts upset in September, Overeem notched two back to back MMA wins in October over Tony Sylvester and James Thompson. Despite his pronouncement that he loves K-1 but MMA is his passion, a statement that hardly endeared him to K-1 fans, the differential in his competition in the sport is massive. The K-1 Grand Prix is/was the sports biggest stage, and the arguably the biggest single night in combat sports. Apart from Peter Aerts, these were the 8 best heavyweight kickboxers in the world.
Overeem was matched with Ewerton Teixeira in the quarters. Ewerton had already won a K-1 tournament in Japan and had a pretty decent 2009 so far with wins over top heavyweights Jerome Le Banner and Singh Jaideep, although the former was a decision of some controversy. However, for the first time in Overeem's recent K-1 run, Alistair was considered the favourite. The brackets were designed to generate a much anticipated semi-final rematch with Badr Hari. But first Overeem would have to get through a stiff challenge in Teixeira, and after Hari finished his opponent in the first it was incumbent that Overeem emerge unscathed for the rematch.
The following is probably not for the faint of heart or fans of non-brain trauma. Apologies not in English.
Alistair Overeem vs. Ewerton Teixeira DEC 5 2009 QUARTER FINAL (via mmaplanet822)
Turns out, if you don't have the range game to keep Overeem on the defensive, you are going to hit with one of those bad boys.
Onto the Hari semi-final. Bari had recovered excellently from the huge setback against Alistair. Including his quarter final win just moments before, Hari had finished 4 opponents in 2009 to get to this point. The most notable of these was a 45 second destruction of seemingly unstoppable Semmy Schilt in It's Showtime! None of his opponents had made it out of the first round. Hari was the pre-tournament favourite and Overeem would return to his familiar position of heavy underdog.
[K-1 2009 Final] Alistair Overeem vs Badr Hari (via csubi77)
For those MMA fans wondering about the stoppage, you only need 2 knockdowns to earn a stoppage in the GP and that knockdown was perfectly legitimate. The cheering of the commentary booth should tell you the general feeling towards Overeem amongst the rest of K-1 and everyone was glad to see his trip to K-1 end in eventual defeat.
Hari would go onto rematch Schilt in the final and lose in the first round.
Overeem v Poturak
Overeem would close out 2009 with a first round obliteration of Fujita in MMA, before starting to train for a serious K-1 run. His comeback fight was schedule for April of 2010 against Bosnian journeyman Dzevad Poturak. Although Poturak is a reasonable fighter and has a K-1 regional tournament win from back in 2007, he is easily the least credentialed fight on Overeem's phenomenal strength of schedule. Lets see how it turns out:
Alistair Overeem vs Dzevad Poturak HD (via WorldWideMMAFighting)
Turns out that if you get anywhere near Overeem you are in serious danger, as Overeem never looks in danger as he walks through his opponent before Poturak fails to answer the count from the second knockdown after he tastes the Ubereem.
Overeem vs Edwards
After finally defending his Strikeforce title against Brett Rogers in May, Overeem was set to enter the final 16 in the 2010 Grand Prix. His opponent was Australian Ben Edwards. who exploded onto the scene with his GP qualifier, drawing attention by breaking a record by defeating all three opponents in a K-1 tournament in a combined 3 minutes and 28 seconds. By now though Overeem was established force in K-1 and was seen as a heavy favourite to advance. Fight starts at 7:11
K-1 World Grand Prix 2010 in Seoul Final 16 - Alistair Overeem vs Ben Edwards - Intro + Full fight (via Suboloc)
"Lock up your horses!" Overeem has started to warm up to K-1 fans and Schiavello, and his entry into the GP is great news for the ailing FEG and K-1. The game Edwards put up a fight for Overeem, but Alistair showcased improved technical skill, dropping Edwards with a well timed counter, backing him into a counter a placing an overhand right like a laser before finishing him off. Overeem wasn't just a meathead who could bully talented guys around with his physical attributes, but a refined kickboxing machine.
K-1 GP 2010
The final 8 this year would have a major notable absence: Badr Hari. He would be serving prison time in connection to some altercation with a bouncer, so their rivalry would never have a trilogy. Apart from 4 time GP champ Semmy Schilt, Overeem was considered an early favourite to win. Other possible contenders were also on the Reem side of the bracket, inthe dark horse Gokhan Saki/Daniel Ghita quarterfinal.
Overeem's draw was Tyrone Spong. Spong is an awesomely talented kickboxer, but is undersized for the heavyweights, and much of his experience is at a lighter weight. In kickboxing however, the money is at heavyweight. Despite bulking up, Spong was considered an underdog due to the extreme size differential.
Alistair Overeem vs Tyrone Spong - K-1 World GP Quarter Final 2010 (via Para24karaat)
Even in defeat, Spong had a career defining performance. Overeem got rocked from a straight counter early, but defended excellently, to use Schiavello's words "like a virgin's defence, nothing penetrates" so Overeem was alright. Despite losing the first round and having his offence stifled by warnings against the two handed clinch, Overeem caused Spong to fade in the face of his power and scoring a knockdown towards the end, leaving no doubt who was the better man.
Emerging from the toughest quarter-final by far was Gokhan Saki, having just gone to war with a very game Daniel Ghita. The talented Turk had a disappointing 2009, but is riding a 7 fight win streak in 2010. Despite being a training partner with Overeem, this is the sports highest stage so they will go to war for our entertainment:
Alistair Overeem vs. Gokhan Saki - K1 World Grand Prix 2010 Final GP (Semi Final) HD (via jamesblack12781)
It seems clear that a healthy Saki could have implemented the stick and move range fighting that can cause Overeem problems. However, and this is the problem that we get from single night tournaments, Saki had his right hand and elbow broken in his previous fight with Ghita. Overeem only needed to hit a couple well timed shots and he was going to the final.
In the other semi final, the legendary Peter Aerts put on an all heart fight of the night performance by upsetting tournament favourite Semmy Schilt and taking a decision. After such a hard fight, it wasn't clear if Aerts would have enough in the tank to make it competitive against the Reem.
Alistair Overeem vs. Peter Aerts - K1 2010 Final Fight 1080p (via jamesblack12781)
It is painful to watch. The 40 year old Aerts, weary from going the distance with the number one heavyweight in the world, clearly had nothing for the Reem.
Although Alistair had a relatively easy GP, with key missing fighters, and opponents not being 100 percent when he faced them, winning a GP title, possibly the last ever, is an incredible accomplishment. Its not clear to me that Overeem's high guard close style will translate well into MMA, but I can't wait to find out.
War Reem!
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by Stiff Jab on Dec 22, 2011 6:41 PM EST reply actions 6 recs

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by Unabomberman on Dec 24, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
JDS is the only heavyweight striker I see giving Overeem any trouble.
And he’ll still be toast if Alistair can close the distance, I don’t think anyone hits as hard as Ubereem up close.
by lolumad on Dec 22, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not confident Overeem can implement that gameplan
Alistair doesn’t have the chin to take the shots an in fighter has to take to land his knockout punch. In K-1 he can compensate by having a tight guard with the big gloves, but I don’t think he can get away with that in MMA.
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Well he also doesn't need to get nearly as close either
His distance hooks in MMA I’m sure would have about the same KO potential.
Not afraid to nitpick
I think JDS would outbox him
And no way can Reem take a hit from him.
by rockyman500 on Dec 23, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
JDS TDD
Is too good to allow Overeem any chance to get it to the ground. The fight would be a battle of JDS’ movement vs Overeem getting in close and getting the clinch. But even in the clinch, JDS could serve up some monster upper cuts.
by GreyedOut on Dec 23, 2011 5:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
JDS hasn't shown power in the uber-close distances where reem likes to operate.
And traditional TDD isn’t going to help him at all against MT style clinch throws and trips.
Out of all the top Heavyweights in the UFC,
JDS is the easiest matchup for the Reem by FAR. JDS likes to keep a fight standing and go for the KO, and his wrestling is all defensively oriented. JDS eats an uberknee and goes night night if they ever face each other. He’d have some of problems with Cain, Mir, Nelson, Barnett and Lesnar, but he’ll beat JDS any day of the week IMO.
Man, y'all underestimate JDS
and overrate “The Reem.” But your post sounds like you’re kidding. JDS took down Carwin a few times because he felt like it BTW. I’d like to see him against Nelson. I know that just seems too funny, but watch if they do fight, Nelson could take his shots and I’d bet give him a better fight than people would think. Never count out the buddha belly.
styles make fights.
I’m not underestimating JDS at all and I had him by KO against Cain, you can check my post history.
barnett will give anyone problems with his choppy stand up
with his super grappling ability cagrejuling. catch wrestling, greco roman wrestling, ju jitsu and wrestling. he most likely knows judo and all forms of grappling. he has made his stand up work seamless into his grappling. barnett biggest opponent is the drug test zing. mir would get crushed he gets to comfortable sometimes getting pushed around that cage. see what happened in his last fight. he snatched that back from the jaws of defeat. kinda looked like the carwin fight but carwin hits much harder so he went night night. nelson might be able to bull it off because of what i saw in the jds fight. then i saw him fight mir and i have to take that back. big country would get some pounds knocked off him. if brock is back to freak power he will beat reem via brock steam roller of pain. get him down like he did mir. stay close to reem use the short punches to keep hitting him until his head swells to match his ego.
JDS IS TO LIGHT ON THE FEET FOR OVEEREEM HAND SPEED IS FASTER
JDS WILL GET THAT UPPERCUT IN AND REEM WILL GO OUT
Well done!
I became a Reem fan instantly after the first Badr Hari fight. Truly awesome.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 PM EST reply actions
Watching Overeem's rise in K1 was so impressive.
The plodding peek-a-boo style he uses just doesn’t translate well to MMA though. More room to move plus smaller gloves spells trouble against more mobile strikers.
Share for share, share alike, you'll get struck each time I strike.
Very good recap
However, the K-1 resentment angle was to a degree fictionalized. Michael Schiavello has admitted in recent interviews that he, Overeem, and the other commentators agreed to stage an MMA vs. K-1 rivalry with Overeem playing the heel in order to stir up intrigue in the 2009 tournament. Needless to say it worked.
OK what you have forgotten to mention
That Aerts had a wonder of a fight against Sem Schilt in his previous fight. ANYONE who fights Sem Schilt has his tank totally off afterwards. Overeem has never fought Sem Schilt. If he did he would have left with a huge loss.
Peter Aerts by that time Overeem defeated him was defeated by EVERYONE in the top contender list. The first real contending and winning about Peter Aerts while in his top shape was by Badr Hari in 2009. It was not a big deal, even Kyotaro defeated Aerts at that time.
When Alistair KOed Badr Hari , Badr came off from a huge upset and a DQ which was JUST 3 weeks before! It wasnt that big deal to surprise him he was not in shape
Overeem was put together with the top league because he said that he would win over everyone in K-1. That did not happen. The last finals tournament of K-1 had come off very very luckily for Overeem and luck is a big factor in tournaments. I believe if Saki didnt have his ribs and arm broken after a war with Ghita, things would have turned out differently.
Sem Schilt could not fight with Overeem. So in my opinion this winning of that lame last tournament was not that big of a deal. Thats why on the K-1 site its still Badr Hari and Sem Schilt who serve as the 2 big names and not Overeem.
Yeah that Aerts/Schilt fight had me jumping up and down going nuts at 4am
It was definitely the true highlight of the GP.
oh and re: Reem not being treated as a "big name" on the K-1 site...
That part of the site probably hadn’t been updated since prior to the Reem/Hari fight anyways, lol.
Also, Reem was prominently displayed on the official K-1 twitter account’s wallpaper not too long ago.
Well I tried to make clear about Aert's previous fight
It certainly made it way easier for Overeem. Same with Saki
I’m not sold on the Hari thing though. Kickboxers pretty commonly take fights on shorter notice, and he didn’t look out of shape, he just looked like he couldn’t take a punch.
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Ahhh and thanks for the article i m a huge K-1 fan and i do miss K-1
so i m happy for this article about K-1 :)
Ahhh yup and many top contenders lost in the first round against Sem Schilt :)
I think Overeem would have lost too :) Badr is one of the very very very few who actually defeated Sem Schilt
I still think that
a) Sprong should have won that fight and
b) Reem had a ridiculously easy path to win the GP, going up against a hurt Gokan and then a gassed Aerts.
"If you think, you're late. If you're late, you muscle. If you muscle, you get tired. If you tired, you die. When you die is when you tap..."
-Saulo Ribeiro
I agree with 2
but not 1. Spong was lucky to go the distance
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Crazy how much bigger he gets even from 2008-2009
Also, I still don’t understand why K-1 put in rules against the clinch. From my meager muay thai training, it seems like one of the fundamentals of the art.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on Dec 23, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions
K-1 isn't Muay Thai
They wanted to give Japanese stars like Masato an edge over foreigners like Buakaw.
My name isn't Todd.
Oh Muay Thai yeah
But not necessarily of kickboxing. The theory behind it is it encourages range striking which is more exciting. There is also a bit of a conspiracy theory that it is meant to hinder Overeem in particular.
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Also directed at Buakaw in K-1 MAX
Since he was straight wrecking people with his clinch work.
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by Patrick Wyman on Dec 23, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Reem was becoming a huge star for them.
That clinch rule was purely for Buakaw. Japanese fucking HATE the Thais.
That knees, to be precise.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 24, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
*Thai knees.*
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by Unabomberman on Dec 24, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
dat knees
i tried to change my username to 'big country fit' but the system wouldnt let me.
by gspmademegay on Dec 26, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome piece
Love K-1 and love the Reem. Great stuff.
"Denique nullumst iam dictum quod non dictum sit prius."-- Terence
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A little too late :-(
Hopefully the next incarnation uses Thai rules but with more Western judging criteria
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by Well Read Idiot on Dec 23, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, it's not too late for kickboxing as is. Besides, there is some variance in the rule sets.
I actually enjoy having a distinction between Muay Thai and kickboxing. It’s a pain if you want to try to provider comprehensive coverage on the sports, but it makes for two fairly different experiences that are brilliant in their own right.
Also interesting to see somebody call for Muay Thai with a more western approach to judging, when that’s been one of the biggest faults that people cite when talking about American Muay Thai.
As for my original comment… I was just being a shithead, since most of the combat sports writing I’ve done has been on kickboxing.
by Brent Ducharme on Dec 23, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I am not American, so can you explain further what you mean by the faults that people cite when it comes to American Muay Thai?
I personally think that the Judging shouldn’t favour any particular type of strike, just simply favour the most damaging strikes. I think that Thai judging encourages Nak Muays to abandon their boxing and engage in brutal clinch wars (which I love watching) just because knees and elbows are scored higher.
Right leg swelling, Left leg minor bruising
by Well Read Idiot on Dec 23, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I personally love that Thais are sticking (more or less) to origins of Muay Thai.
Nowadays everything gets watered down to be convenient.
Besides, Nederlanders already did “westernize” Muay Thai and it’s arguably even less “popular” than MT.
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by dancingChicken on Dec 24, 2011 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, my apologies there.
One of the primary issues that people take with Muay Thai in America is how bouts are scored. The way that many bouts have been scored in the States, it seems as though there is no sense of the early rounds being a less important “feeling out” period. I’ve also seen fighters be ahead going into the final round, only to lose after coasting to the end and fighting in a way that Thais might see as the fighter protecting their lead. Also seen boxing have a bit more emphasis than one might see elsewhere (though it seems you would like that idea – as do I, on some level).
by Brent Ducharme on Dec 24, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can you expand?
Muay Thai in North America should not count the 1st round the same as the 3rd round? I am a noob in terms of true Thai tradition and would like to learn more….thanks…
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by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Dec 26, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Basically they use the first couple rounds as a feeling out process
The fight is then scored that way. So if its a 5 round fight, the first two rounds are basically warm up and the the last three are the ones that actually decide the fight. In North America they just apply 10 point must to all 5 rounds, and thus a guy who would have lost in Thailand will win Stateside because he took the first two rounds.
Also thai judging places very little emphasis on punches, preferring “thai techniques” like big kicks to the body.
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my major problem with reem is he doesn't have many big mma wins
if you look at his record since moving up to heavyweight full time after shogun knocked his ass out i might add. his biggest win in mma in the last 4 years has been werdum if you even want to call that a win. it was boring it sucked for both men. he beat paul buentello for the strikeforce belt. a very game but undersized heavyweight. he won the dream strap from a scrap with todd duffee that was over before i could ever get back to my computer screen. won the gp after getting a real good setup to win.
Boring wins are wins. It matters very little whether they were enthralling or not.
Besides, who is Brock to fight now? You can’t put him against Travis Browne or Stefan Struve b/c they are way down the ladder, and a loss for Brock would be disastrous.
On the other hand, Reem draws a lot of hype and has a built-in fanbase in Japan.
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by Unabomberman on Dec 24, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bigger gloves definitely help Overeem. Werdum was able to sneak shots past Overeem’s guard pretty consistently.
Guys have to realize that if they’re getting wailed on, your hands just aren’t enough to protect your head. You need to use your shoulders and elbows and take the potential body shot as a risk.
True. The Wandy fight being the perfect example
by discoandherpes on Dec 27, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions

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