Another Boxing Champion Seriously Considering Move to MMA
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 2, 2011 10:00 AM EST
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Our friends at Bad Left Hook brought our attention to another boxing champion who is apparently seriously considering a move to mixed martial arts. That fighter, a three division world champion, and the current IBO title holder, Vic Darchinyan (37-3-1).
The Armenian is set to challenge Anselmo Moreno for the WBA Super-bantamweight title this Saturday. During the final press conference for the Showtime event, Gary Shaw gave out this little tidbit about Darchinyan's future:
"If he should win (the WBA title), he probably will retire from boxing, and Darchinyan, will probably go in to MMA, following in the footsteps of Kimbo Slice"
"Vic is serious about going to MMA after he completes his triumph on Saturday night"
Before we break down the prospect of having a guy like Darchinyan in MMA, let's just make one thing clear -- If he does makes that switch, he wouldn't be following the footsteps of Kimbo Slice, a guy who came from YouTube bare knuckle street fights.
Now that we got that out of the way, here's why Darchinyan thinks he can successfully make the jump to MMA:
"I already have a strong wrestling base and am confident I could make the switch... That could honestly happen within a year, but who knows?"
That "strong wrestling base" he claims to have, came from learning from his dad, who was an Olympic wrestling coach.
He might be bold enough to truly make that jump, and he can probably KO a bunch of scrubs and lower level guys, but there are several reasons why he probably won't make that move to MMA, let along be successful in doing so. Here's why:
- He's 35 years old, and he has never really competed or trained in grappling or kickboxing. We don't know how serious he was with his wrestling, but we do know that he hasn't used that "strong wrestling base" in decades.
- He fights at 118 lbs. The lightest weight class is Flyweight, which is at 125 lbs. That weight class isn't even in the UFC or Bellator yet, so if he wants to compete at the big shows, the smallest division they have is at 135 lbs.
- Money. He may be nearing the tail end of his career, but he's still a top-level boxer who can earn more money in boxing, than fighting relatively unknown and low level guys in MMA.
Even if he truly dedicates himself, it will be hard for him to unlearn the things and habits from a lifetime of boxing, to try an learn the finer points of the striking and grappling involved in MMA. Even if we disregard that fact, will he be willing to take a smaller pay check, fighting in smaller shows for the next couple of years? I doubt it.
That being said, I do enjoy these freakshow-ish bouts, so honestly, I'd watch it.
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I'm all for this kind of thing even if Vic's almost 40
We already have champion wrestlers coming over by the fistful, we could use some high level pro boxers training up defensive wrestling. Sprawl ‘n’ Brawl 3.0
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He’s almost 40? Whaaa?
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by xFenixKnightx on Dec 2, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ha
I’m gonna guess meck in his early to mid 20s.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 2, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
He's 35
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by xFenixKnightx on Dec 2, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
menckenstein is 35?
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by Charles Awad on Dec 2, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Missed his age in the article
I thought he was 38 for some reason. 35 isn’t exactly young for a fighter, either.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
It's also nowhere near 40
But yes, 35 is way late to start an MMA career. The time keeps shrinking back the more kids get in early.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 2, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Someone's sensitive about their age ;)
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Haha
I turned 30 last Tuesday and, no, I don’t give a shit.
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"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
We’ve already seen this before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C5%8Dsuke_Nishijima
However, if his wrestling is any good and he can put on some weight, it’d be interesting.
by HonorableJudgeIto on Dec 2, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
that's pretty much the worst possible example
Did you google “boxing champion MMA” or something?
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not like the guy was fighting in obscure shows. He was on the biggest stage in the sport. Anyone who was around in those days and interested in watching the best fighters in the world saw him on those Pride shows.
Yes but even James Toney suffered the same fate
He was smart(?) enough to try the ol’ one and done but there’s no way you can show up as a one dimensional fighter and expect to successfully cross over.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
We sure could.
I honestly just like hearing about guys thinking about making the move. Just the fact that it is a legitimate option for athletes now is pretty cool
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by doonerthesooner on Dec 2, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions
It's not legitimate
No way this happens.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
following in the footsteps of Kimbo Slice
really?
by Ricardo Arguello on Dec 2, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions
My head asploded and reformed when I read that
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by Charles Awad on Dec 2, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
dude it's Gary Shaw.
For him, that was relatively even-handed.
by Rob Young on Dec 2, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
success in the upper levels of MMA seems to be determined by striking ability these days
but entry into that upper level requires strong grappling abilities, not just a sprawl.
Scrambling instincts, defensive grappling against submissions. Those take years to learn and this guy doesn’t really have the time.
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I like this.
Pac coming to MMA would be better, of course. =P
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Too high profile
He’d NEVER agree to fight someone who could actually beat him. He’d be fighting the Greg Nagy of the bantamweights
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Did we ever figure out how to pronounce his name?
noodge?
by Body Triangle on Dec 2, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Nadj I think?
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by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
It'd be interesting.
As a fan, I’m always interested in the prospect of a high level boxer MMA.
The best point you make in unlearning what is successful in boxing. I like to Floyd Mayweather as an example. He has that beautiful shoulder roll defense, aka the “Philly Shell.” It’s a great technique and big reason he is p4p best.
That wouldn’t work in MMA, or K1 for that matter. An opponent could hang a lazy punch at his power side and when he slips the punch, with his lead hand still down, you throw a head kick.
by Steve W on Dec 2, 2011 10:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
and people say there's no money in boxing...
Not to long ago Vic fought Arce at super flyweight (115) and got a $2 million payday. Keep in mind this is even lower of a weight than the non-existant 118 lb. MMA division that we’re hypothetically talking about here.
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Who says there's no money in boxing?
There’s too much money in boxing, guy.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I shoulda said 'big bucks'.
People always say Pac & FMW are the only ones bringing in the money in boxing. This is continuously brought up when fighter salaries are discussed with MMA. Vic is a perfect example of a guy that clearly breaks this mold.
He fights at a weight not even existant in MMA, he’s on the smaller of the 2 premiere boxing networks, he’s not a PPV fighter, but yet he makes (or has made) 7 digits a fight, .
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by joeshowradio on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Gotcha
Yeah the money in boxing is definitely a few steps above anything in MMA. Hell my cousin has been training partners with boxers on the decline and made more doing that than most main card UFC fighters.
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by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
There’s not “too much” money in boxing. That makes no sense
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 2, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify: I think most professional athletes in televised sports are overpaid
For what they’re doing they make ridiculous amounts of money.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Frazier died essentially penniless
And whatever figure he received for Manilla was insufficient.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
He made a lot of money from fighting
He was also terrible with money. It’s not like he was paid peanuts, guy was rich.
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by menckenstein on Dec 2, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's supply and demand
If Floyd tried to sell a $70 HD PPV and nobody bought it, he wouldn’t make $40 mil a fight. But he does. And they do.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
But... Joe had made a lot of money and was very foolish with it
Supply and demand has nothing to do with that. It’s like saying MC Hammer went broke because nobody bought his albums, instead of because he spent more than he made (which is ridiculous because he had a damn fortune)
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
I’m talking about this:
To clarify: I think most professional athletes in televised sports are overpaid
Obviously Joe was dumb with his money. Like every other fighter in the history of fighting.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think maybe I am not understanding what you're getting at
Are you saying that NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, PGA, Grand Slam / ATP, PPV boxing, etc athletes are not on average making a ridiculous amount of money for what they do?
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
…ridiculous amount of money for what they do?
They do. And there is sufficient demand to provide that ridiculous amount of money.
We don’t assign salaries based on morality in capitalism. If we did, the ER nurses and teachers would be sittin’ on dubs.
Did they not cover economics in school for you?
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Wataprick.
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by TorQus on Dec 3, 2011 5:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
All apologies
Persistent stupidity brings it out in me.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 3, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
People who say this seemingly have no concept of business
A boxing card makes a promoter 30 million dollars— the boxers should get some sizable portion percentage of those dollars. It’s like any other field. People pay a lot of money to watch football, so football players (the product itself) get monies. You print a bunch of gaudy shirts at nine bucks a pop, you sell them for 20.
Bidness.
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by Charles Awad on Dec 2, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Haven’t some people criticized HBO for overpaying certain fighters right out of the Olympics with signing bonuses?
by discoandherpes on Dec 2, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
HBO only pays for fights, not so much for “fighters”
I mean, they can sign guys to deals to show 2-3 of their fights but they’re not dumping tons of money to show a guy fight a few 4 rounders.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 2, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
"...following in the footsteps of Kimbo Slice"
Is that supposed to be a good thing??
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Gary Shaw
is Kimbo Slice’s manager. Somehow this has gotten lost here.
What’s more, it sounds like maybe Gary Shaw might be serious about getting back into promoting MMA, too.
To clarify, Gary Shaw is where that quote about Vic Darchinyan is following in the footsteps of Kimbo Slice" came from.
Weird timing by Vic.
If he wins Saturday, he’s probably in line to fight the Mares-Agbeko winner.
Also, Gary Shaw needs to have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Dec 2, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He already lost to both Mares and Agbeko; doubt he gets, or even wants the winner.
Also, Moreno is slick, and Darchinyan has never shown the ability to deal with that kind of pure boxing. I doubt he even wins on Saturday.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
He lost to Mares by a single point on a SD and a very slim UD to Agbeko almost three years ago.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Dec 2, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
He was only that close to King Kong because of a bullshit KD
One judge still had it 116-111.
And I’ve never heard any clamor for Mares/Vic two, even though I was at that fight and I grant you it was a barnburner.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
You know why Vic made this “announcement” as well as I do.
Because now people are talking about Saturday’s Showtime show when it was getting competely lost in the Margarito/Cotto shuffle.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 2, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t doubt that. Now more than testicle torture fetishists will be tuning it.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Dec 2, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Cintron
The best major boxer with championship credentials, that could come over, is still Kermit Cintron. Cintron was an outstanding high school wrestler, he was at a lower weight class than I was, but I remember him at district meets and what not and he was recruited by major programs, I want to say Wisconsin. Doing as well as he did in the nations deepest wrestling state, Pennsylvania, would indicate a sound wrestling base.
He is far removed time wise, but he will still have a base and be able to utilize that and his footwork. He made statements before about fighting in MMA, so hopefully he makes the jump. It would be interesting to see.
Kermit is pretty shot these days.
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Still fighting on primetime Showtime cards though and he can still punch – I just think of all boxers, with decent youth, I believe he is 31 or 32, and he has excellent boxing, by mma standards especially, he is a former world champ, and he has a solid wrestling base.
No other boxer, that I know of, really has a better set of criteria to enter MMA than Cintron.
I come from a wrestling background, boxer vs wrestler, of equal caliber, I take the wrestler in a fight, 9 times out of 10.
… he is a former world champ …
I hate it so much when people say this about Cintron. He won a bullshit interim belt in a fight where Sergio beat him no fewer than three times. Talk about an accomplishment that should have an asterisk next to it.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
There’s a cage, how’s he gonna dive out of the ring to avoid getting his ass kicked in MMA?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 2, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He fought on the HBO card last weekend because they wanted a safe opponent for Canelo Alvarez,
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 2, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Prior to the fight we had a lot of people saying that Cintron would be a tough test for Canelo
I don’t think anyone anticipated Kermit to look as bad as he did and there were even a few pieces on Bad Left Hook saying that it wasn’t going to be anything close to a squash match. Going into the fight the general consensus among people who know their shit was that Cintron was by far the toughest opponent Canelo had faced up to that point and that he may have bitten off more than he could chew.
With 20/20 hindsight and all it’s easy to say now that HBO just gave Canelo a can to crush, but I think that matchup was a bit more risky than you’re making it out to be.
there were even a few pieces on Bad Left Hook saying that it wasn’t going to be anything close to a squash match.
There was exactly one, by Lee Payton. It was well thought-out and a good article and Lee is a very sharp mind, but he was wrong. I said repeatedly that it would be exactly what it was, that Cintron was given the fight over many more deserving candidates because he had a half ounce of name value left and was no threat to Canelo. And HBO didn’t line him up for Canelo, Golden Boy did. Cintron looked terrible in July getting run over by Carlos Molina, and looked bad nipping a decision in August against Antwone Smith.
Let me put it another way: Kermit Cintron had gotten so bad that Top Rank let him walk despite his being a Puerto Rican fighter in Miguel Cotto’s weight class. They saw no reason to keep him on.
Going into the fight the general consensus among people who know their shit was that Cintron was by far the toughest opponent Canelo had faced up to that point and that he may have bitten off more than he could chew.
That was the general consensus of Golden Boy’s marketing. It was phony.
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Dude, Cintron is shot to shit, has looked downright scared and has been HORRIBLE. I’m sure boxing fans would gladly say “take him” at this point.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 2, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I would love it if someday a Top 10 boxer makes the move to MMA
There is zero chance of Vic Darchinyan being the Top 10 boxer to do it. This is about Gary Shaw wanting to get Darchinyan’s name in headlines and give the appearance of leverage in future contract negotiations.
by MichaelDavidSmith on Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions
vic probable just talking shit but he is mad here his dressed like a rat and fighting a bull 1 week from his latest fight
http://video.news.com.au/2172497609/Boxing-champ-Vic-Darchinyan-squares-up-with-wild-bull
Agreed. Freek show bouts are a healthy staple of my MMA diet. It could be fun. Bring it on.
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Sounds like he'd be perfect for MMA, then
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Two words in the headline caught my attention:
“Another.” Who was the first?
And “seriously.” Why the fuck would anyone take this seriously? Look at the comments on BLH. No one is taking this seriously.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions
Toney I guess
You would have to be pretty liberal with your definition of seriously, though.
by Sweet Scientist on Dec 2, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
First, Toney was not a champion when he made that move.
Second, yes, none of what happened between Toney and the UFC could be considered “serious,” including considering the whole thing in the first place.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not like Vic is a legit current champ.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Dec 2, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying!
For him to be “another” there would have to be a first! And he himself wouldn’t even legitimately be the first!
It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races. - Mark Twain
by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh i didn’t think you meant current champion.
In that case yeah. i just thought that’s what anton meant with champion.
I agree with you by the way, there was never something close to a high level boxer transitioning to MMA. And i don’t think it will happen soon if ever.
by Sweet Scientist on Dec 2, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
"Champion" means current champion.
“Former champion” means “former champion.”
That’s why Buffer doesn’t introduce Franklin as the “Middleweight Champion” anymore.
Look, it’s just an inaccurate headline. In multiple ways. That’s all I was saying. It makes it sound like this is a recurring phenomenon, when really the situation described has never happened ever.
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by The Ghost of Spike Owen on Dec 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty unlikely
In addition to learning tdd and developing a bottom game, he would also have to unlearn a lot of his striking.
More like re- learn
and even if he never threw a kick, knee, or elbow, Vic would have to learn how to defend against all of them.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 2, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
lol no one with any kind of sense will be watching that Showtime card.
There’s Cotto/Marg 2 AND the TUF Finale, both of which will be taking the maximum 2 simultaneous recording spots on my DVR.
Plus who wants to see Mares punch Agbeko in the balls repeatedly for 12 rounds again anyways.
"The Armenian"?
He’s been an Australian citizen for a long time now. His gym is literally two streets away from where I live.
by JakeTheMuss on Dec 2, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
doesn't mean he's not Armenian.
I can live in the US/Australia/wherever for 123512 years, it won’t change the fact that I’m Filipino.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 2, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
sure it will
if you are a citizen of the united states, then you are an american. same goes for any other country in the world. it doesn’t matter what country you were born in. to disagree with this is racist/xenophobic. this is one of the problems with the world: a compulsion to be exclusionary. my girlfriend was born in cambodia, of chinese descent. she moved to america when she was 8. she is an american.
I'm not saying he's not Australian,
I’m saying he’s also Armenian. It’s not mutually exclusive.
by Anton Tabuena on Dec 4, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
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