Fighters the UFC should send to Strikeforce
Now that it is known that Strikeforce will be in business for a while longer, one of the things that keeps coming up is the problems with the depth of the fighters in most divisions.
The UFC has the unique ability to persuade fighters to move over to Strikeforce for numerous reasons. Whether they want a fighter to develop over there, or a fighter has hit his ceilign in the UFC. Either way, both promotions could greatly benefit by doing this.
HW: Obviously, the Heavyweight division in Strikeforce is about to be non-existent.
Light Heavyweight: I think LHW will go the way of the Heavyweights pretty soon. The top fighters in the division (Mousasi, Lawal, Feijao) are head and shoulder's better then the guys below them. And there aren't very many prosepcts below them worth keeping the division around for.
- Ryan Bader (Depending on if he wins vs. Rampage). Lets say he loses. That will make 3 loses in 4 fights, and his only win coming against Jason Brilz (who was recently cut). He's still young, but with Jon Jones reigning supreme, his chance at being a contender seems extremely slim.
- Brandon Vera: Its clear that he isn't who we thought he was. But he's still a decent name fighter. Putting him in Strikeforce with a fight against Mousasi seems like a fight that could "bring back the old Vera". Plus, he barley beat Eliot Marshall, I doubt he's gonna beat many top 20 fighters in the UFC.
- Vladimir Matyushenko: Like Bader, Vlad is a good fighter, who has the ability to be a top 15 fighter. But he's not very exciting, and he has been decimated by Jones and Lil' Nog.
- Stephan Bonnar: He's 34 years old, so he doesn't have much time left. But he's on a 3 fight win streak, and while he probably won't fight for a title in Strikeforce, he's still a guy that can put on fights and be competitive against upper echelon fighters.
- Rich Franklin: He's a guy who's all but done fighting for any type of contention. He's also fought at LHW recently. But its no secret that his real success has been at MW. Giving him an immediate title shot might be the only way to sway him to go over to Strikeforce, but a fight with him vs. Rockhold would definitely be interesting.
- Yushin Okami: He went 10-2 in 5 years with the UFC before finally getting his title shot. Then he got Silva'd. Suffice it to say, he's not fighting for the UFC title anytime soon. He's probably the guy who has the most to gain from switching to Strikeforce. Luke Rockhold won the title and is now ranked #9 in the world. Imagine if Okami went on a run beating Rockhold, Lawlar and all the other guys being brought over.
- Dan Miller: Who doesn't love Dan Miller? He's a really good fighter, but not great. He beats all the guys who don't belong, but he can't beat a upper echelon fighter. Why not give his career some breathing room? He's a guy who could really flourish in Strikeforce.
- Eric Shafer / Steve Cantwell / CB Dollaway: all these guys are not elite UFC level fighters, but he's better then most guys on the regional circuit. Why not put them in Strikeforce and add a name for younger guys to test themselves against.
- Martin Kampmann: A guy who could potentially be a long term champ in Strikeforce. He's recently lost to Diego Sanchez and Jake Shields, and I don't think there is anyone who really think's he's a treat to GSP. So why not send him to Strikeforce, and match him up with Tyron Woodly or Paul Daley for the title?
- Dan Hardy: This is a win-win for the UFC. It gives Strikeforce a really popular fighter and a guy who can promote a fight pretty good. It also appeases critics who (rightfully so) argue that Hardy, who's on a 4 fight losing streak, doesn't belong in the UFC.
- Yoshihiro Akiyama: It depends on his fight with Shields. If he wins (I don't think he will), he's ok. But if he loses, that makes 4 straight losses. He's still a good fighter, but just not as good as we thought. But, like Hardy, he's a fighter who is almost always exciting and someone fans like to watch fight.
- DeMarques Johnson / Amir Sadollah / Matt Brown: A few guys who are good, exciting fighters, but will never make in near contention. These are the guys that Strikeforce could use to build up cards so that they don't have 5 great fights, then 5 fights with guys no one has ever heard of.
- Gray Maynard: Has fought the champ 3 times, and won't get a 4th shot anytime soon. But he's a guy who will probably beat 95% of the guys the UFC matches up with him. So if the UFC keeps him around, he becomes a bonafide Rich Franklin.. The consensus #2 fighter that can beat everyone, but the champ.
- Kenny Florian: He will never get a title shot in the UFC again. He's a really good fighter, with an exciting style and a decent enough fan base. Send him down and give Melendez a real challenge, so Melendez does fight Pat Healy for the title next.
- Sean Sherk: If he ever can make a comeback to the fight game, I think Strikeforce is the place he should land. He's old and injury prone, but he's still a legit fighter with real skills. But is there any real chance that he'll ever make a run into the top 15 in the UFC? No way.
- Mac Danzig / Matt Wiman / Cole Miller: Like the other divisions above, these are guys who are exciting, pretty solid fighters, but will never make it into contention in the UFC. By sending them to Strikeforce, and mixing them in with the other prospects and fighters, it will help make the LW Division in Strikeforce become much deeper.
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DIsagree a lot with this article. Personally I would only send over guys on the verge of being cut or guys near the end of their career. Send over Kampmann? If you’re gonna send him, why not Shields, Fitch and Koscheck? Your reasoning for a lot of guys to send over is that they won’t be Champs or can’t compete with the elite, but what is wrong with that? Not everyone can be the best. Might as well send over pretty much the entire WW, MW and LHW divisions then. Outside of Sonnen who will give Silva a good fight? Can’t think of anyone so why not send them to Strikeforce? The idea of sending Okami over is crazy
Some of what you say I agree with. Guys like Diabate, Matt Brown, Steve Cantwell, guys who had a chance and have seemingly hit their ceiling I’d send over. Guys like Bader and Maynard I wouldn’t because they still have a lot of potential
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The difference between Kampmann and those other guys is that Kampmann hasn’t beaten everyone in front of him except for GSP (much like Kos and Fitch). Shields could go back as far as I’m concerned, but I don’t think the UFC would send him back after making a big deal about signing him.
And I’m not saying everyone who can’t compete with the champs should get sent over.
Just guys who either have had their chance, and lost convincingly enough that it will prevent them from getting another title shot (Florian, Maynard, Okami, Hardy).
Or guys who mean nothing to the UFC other then filling out the card, but could be marketable names for Strikeforce (Bonnar, Sherk, Franklin).
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Kamp lost bad to Daley I doubt they'd book that fight.
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by doonerthesooner on Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Also Bonnar isn't going anywhere.,
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by doonerthesooner on Dec 19, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with sending over elite guys
who aren’t going to get a shot at the title is that it makes the division shallower and the path to title shots easier. You should have to beat a Florian or an Okami to prove that you are truly deserving of a title shot.
If you want to see the best fighters fighting each other then Strikeforce needs to fold it’s tent or be explicitly set up as a feeder league for the UFC. It’s important that all the best guys are concentrated into one promotion so that we (the fans) get to see the best fights. You can send over guys who can’t hack the UFC but not guys that are inconvenient in terms of developing contenders.
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by malkav on Dec 19, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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Fedorable isn't saying the UFC should send over all of its gatekeepers...
Just enough to keep Strikeforce exciting and marketable. The fact is, Showtime doesn’t want Strikeforce to be just a feeder league, and the UFC doesn’t want to piss off Showtime.
Fighters should be able to jump back and forth between Strikeforce and the UFC. Think of all the times you’ve said to yourself, “I can’t believe so-and-so vs. so-and-so is on the prelims!” I’m sure some of those fighters would rather get more sponsorship money by being on on a main card on Showtime.
Exactly
I’m not saying to send everyone over… but by taking 5-10 guys that would normally be spike prelim type fighters, and putting them in strikeforce, It would help boost their business.
Plus the UFC is so deep that losing 1 or 2 top 15 type fighters isn’t a big deal. There is always another guy who will be streaking to fill in.
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Outside of Gray Maynard I think this is a pretty good list of guys if the UFC were to send some guys over. I don’t think it will happen in this capacity but having these guys in Strikeforce would make that promotion much more appealing.
I barely enjoyed watching the Strikeforce card this weekend, it just never seems to have any real momentum these days after the UFC buyout.
Dont think sending Kampmann is a good idea
Sure he’s not gonna get a title shot but so what. The UFC needs middle tier guys like Kampmann in the division. Plus he’s exciting as hell. Also Paul Daley isn’t in Strikeforce and he already KO’d Kampmann so don’t see a need for a rematch
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by Our Bovine Public on Dec 19, 2011 3:11 PM EST reply actions
There's some guys on that list I don't agree with,
but yeah, generally anyone who has a name but is no longer a top fighter or familiar PPV card filler, is ripe for the picking. Kampmann and Maynard don’t fit the mold for me, nor do Penn or Akiyama, both of whom can still help sell a PPV. I do like the idea of guys like Bonnar and Vera going over there, and possibly Florian as a good test for Melendez. Problem with a guy like Okami, or Franklin and even Bader, is that you need depth at MW and LHW and those guys help provide it. With the amount of UFC cards they’re going to be running next year, there is still a need for names to put on those cards. Presumably, there’s going to be a lot of new fighters being signed on and others brought in to replace injuries, etc. You still have to have familiar names for people to make their name against.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Dec 19, 2011 3:15 PM EST reply actions
This is a great article....
…if only for the discussion that it creates.
There is a dilemma surrounding the idea of sending guys over though:
- If you send over top guys, the UFC loses depth.
- If you send over clear gatekeepers, Strikeforce becomes a “B” league.
My solution is for Strikeforce put on big money, invitation only tournaments. That way you can get big namers to come over without losing them permanently and you can build stars out of Strikeforce guys if they do win, or do well.
Look at Daniel Cormier. Before the tournament he was simply an Olympic wrestler who sparred with the top heavyweight on the planet. Now he’s a bonafide HW talent who some think is a viable UFC contender.
A million dollar grand prix would also be exciting for the fans
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Strikeforce already is a B league
With the exception of few…
Bring the top talent from Strikeforce over to the UFC.
Drop the bottom talent from the UFC back to Strikeforce.
Done.
by callithowyouseeit on Dec 20, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
instead of Bellator
snatching everyone the UFC cuts and giving them time to develop back into a big name.
Who has made themselves back into a big name?
The big names in Bellator weren’t cut from the UFC: Hector Lombard, Eddie Alvarez, Ben Askren and just recently, Michael Chandler & Douglas Lima….
Don’t say Ben Saunders.
by callithowyouseeit on Dec 20, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I like where this post is coming from but this can't happen
the UFC needs all the fighters they can get becasue of the amount of cards that are planned and amount of cards that are done 3 months in advanced and the need for able bodies to fill holes when a injury hits.
Overall though I agree with your picks only one I don’t think would get there is Bonnar since DW says he is a UFC for life
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I disagree with Bonnar and Kampman, but I would say otherwise this is pretty good. The UFC isn’t going to send anyone who is near contender status, but if they’re looking to add guys just to fill out the roster, I think these are guys who could make the move.
LHW
Cyrill Diabate
Kyle Kingsbury
Fabio Maldonado
MW
Luiz Cane
Riki Fukuda
WW
Mike Swick
Duane Ludwig
Daniel Roberts
LW
Yves Edwards
Dennis Siver
Nik Lentz
Michael Johnson
I like it
Except for Kyle Kingsbury….
I want to see him a few more times in the UFC before he goes.
by callithowyouseeit on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I see where your coming from.
I didn’t put Florian, even though if they gave him a guy like Wilcox or Evangelista and told him that they were going to give him the next shot if he wins, he might take the opportunity.
by discoandherpes on Dec 20, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
LHW
Forrest Griffin
Rich Franklin
MW
Alan Belcher
WW
Amir Sadollah
Rick Story
Matt Riddle
Dan Hardy
LW
Melvin Guillard
Dennis Siver
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Uhhh NO
Alan Belcher?
WTF. He’s becoming a legit contender… and someone who Silva hasn’t already smashed. Why would you get rid of him while he’s still winning in the UFC.
Forrest Griffin and Rich Franklin are both UFC legends who are near retirement. Sending them to Strikeforce to finish their career is a good idea? Nope.
by callithowyouseeit on Dec 20, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Neither of them is ever going to be in title contention again, and it would be good for Strikeforce to have some fighters with a big fan base and lots of name recognition (if they truly plan to keep SF going, that is). Belcher’s a really exciting guy with and him vs Rockhold would be a good fight. I was thinking about the good of SF when I put him up there, not that he couldn’t make it in the Ufc.
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by TheLastEmpress on Dec 20, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Getting rid of contenders like Belcher might be “good for Strikeforce” but it would be bad for the UFC….. which organization do you think takes preference? The UFC is Zuffa’s cash cow…. Strikeforce is not.
Guys like Forrest and Franklin may very well be in the UFC hall of fame one day…. do you really think they should fight their final 1 or 2 fights in a “lesser” organization, when they are perfectly at home in the UFC?
If you want to give Strikeforce “names”…. give them the middle tier guys with recognizable names who actually deserve to be cut…. don’t give them future HOFers
by callithowyouseeit on Dec 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
No LHWs should go to SF, they need to close it down and bring them to UFC
The UFC LHW division is 2 fights from being cleaned out. Davis/Evans winner, and Hendo. Also, the core of this division is getting old, and I could see a lot of turn over in the top 15 over the next 1-2 years. Franklin, Ortiz, Griffin are done being contenders. Shogun’s last few fights have been brutal beatings, combined with his injury history who knows how much he is going to have left. Hendo is 41. Rampage always seems to be 1 movie away from quitting MMA. Machida is 1-3 in his last 4, and has talked about retiring early. Lil’ Nog looked good against Tito, but that was the first time in his last 3 fights. Bonnar is on a nice run but against limited competition. Thiago Silva is always injured or suspended. Matyushenko is 38, and never a real elite contender.
Long story short this division by the start of 2013 could be Jones, Davis, Evans, and Gustafsson and that is about it. I’m not too excited about guys like Bader, Nedkov, or anyone else. But if you shut down Strikeforce LHW and bring them over all of a sudden you have Mousasi, Calvacante, and Mo in the mix, and adding some needed depth.
You’re discounting that by 2013 there will be new contenders. Guys from TUF, and guys from smaller shows. Maybe they should bring over Mo, but other then that I don’t think they should move anyone from Strikeforce.
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by TheLastEmpress on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
This can be a win/win if done the right way.
The reason UFC keeps some fighters with consecutive losses around, is because those select fighters have a respectable fan base, and fairly well known names.
The only fighters that should be moved to Strikeforce, are guys who can give Strikeforce “name power”. Guys like Akiyama, Dan Hardy, George Sotiropoulos, and Sean Sherk would make great additions to Strikeforce.
This way… Strikeforce can maintain ex-UFC fighters who draw fans… while the UFC can save face by cutting guys who can no longer compete at the highest level.
by callithowyouseeit on Dec 20, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions
It doesn't make sense to send guys who just fought for the title to SF...
Okami? Maynard? Florian? I disagree with a lot of these. Just because you lose a title fight or don’t look like you’ll be a champion anytime soon doesn’t mean you belong is Strikeforce. It also doesn’t make any sense to send Japanese Brazilian or British fighters there because SF doesn’t have the international appeal UFC is building. Akiyama has no place there even if he loses against Shields. Strikeforce needs American fighters. Dolloway, Shafer, Lawlor etc. Guys who keep losing in the UFC but are good fighters who can be competetive with one another. Primarily wrestlers/ grapplers who can’t strike all that well. Bonnar and Franklin have helped build the UFC brand and have no place in SF either. They are staples of the UFC. The Janitor has been winning most of his fights so he should def. stay. Vera might be good in SF but he’s also coming off a win so he shouldn’t be sent there unless he loses two or so fights.

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