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Strikeforce Melendez Vs. Masvidal Results: Winners, Losers, and Other Thoughts

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Last night was the final Strikeforce event of 2011 and featured two title fights. Earlier this week Strikeforce and Showtime announced an extension to their deal with one of the points of interest being that Gilbert Melendez will remain a Strikeforce fighter. As the last of Cesar Gracie's champions in Strikeforce, it is assumed that a majority of the marketing will go towards 'breaking' Gilbert Melendez to the casual MMA fan. Saturday also marked the return of Cris Cyborg after a year outside of the cage. As with every show there are winners and losers. I'll also give my thoughts on the overall show.

WINNERS

Gilbert Melendez - I said last night that he failed to impress and I stand by my words. That was not a star making performance. That wasn't even a star maintaining performance. That was the single worst performance in a championship fight that I can remember in 2011. His face was a mess post-fight and he landed 24% of his strikes. That's a terrible statistic. He's listed as a winner because he won but he has some work to do to even enter discussions on top lightweights.

Cristiane Santos - Cyborg was a -1800 favorite. She trounced Hiroko Yamanaka and scored the only stoppage of the main card. Glad to see she's back but there's no way she can make 135. She looked massive last night and the cut to 145 is difficult enough for the champ. It's a shame since 135 is where most of the talent in Women's MMA resides.

Gegard Mousasi - Nice win I guess? OSP was scared to fight on the feet and just isn't a good enough grappler to stay competitive with Mousasi on the ground. Gegard has skills but if he fights Mo Lawal again it will be a repeat of the first fight.

KJ Noons - Speaking of winners with terrible striking statistics, KJ won the fight with a striking success rate of 32%. Noons still has some of the best boxing in the division but I feel like he's regressed as a fighter. He barely got past Billy Evangelista.

Boxing - Last night Boxing won. The Carl Froch-Andre Ward fight was great and created a new star in Ward. Though the judges tried to give Froch the fight, they didn't and Ward walked away with the Super Six title.

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LOSERS

Jorge Masvidal - What the hell was wrong with Masvidal last night? Actually better question: what the hell was wrong with Jorge Masvidal's corner? Jorge was down on all score cards and there wasn't any bit of urgency to try and finish the fight. Embarrassing performance in a title fight for a usually exciting fighter.

Jorge Masvidal's Corner - Seriously, their fighter was down on all cards and the best advice they could muster was 'throw the right if you feel comfortable'. That's the best advice they had? To 'throw the right' if Jorge felt 'comfortable'? Jorge didn't have a championship performance and it started with his corner.

Hiroko Yamanaka - I got nothing. She either landed 0 or 1 punches depending on your source. She had to know she wasn't gonna win. Her post-fight quote was 'I don't remember anything'. Yikes!

Ovince St. Preux - Had the opportunity to transition from prospect to top talent. He just looked like a fish out of water when put on his back. He finally came to life in the third round but he's just not there and hasn't developed like a guy of his athletic potential should.

Billy Evangelista - Less taunting. More fighting. Allowing someone to throw punches at his face is letting judges score for his opponent. There is a certain machismo in fighting but last night was a terrible idea.

OTHER THOUGHTS

- The referee in OSP/Mousasi should never referee a fight again. That was one of the worst performances of the ref who was telling fighters to work literally seven seconds after the fight hit the ground. He stood the fighters up multiple times while they were working from dominant positions and made himself a part of the fight. A direct contrast to the referee for Froch-Ward who allowed the boxers to fight out of the clinch.

- I'm happy that Strikeforce and Showtime are continuing their relationship for the next two years but if there is any desire to build the brand they can't have Melendez be that tentative. He wasn't impressive and as the face of the lightweight division he needs to showcase all his talents every night. I tweeted last night that Ben Henderson would ruin Gil Melendez and I stand by that assessment.

- WMMA may be fun to watch but if the best they could do was book Cyborg vs Yamanaka then it may be time to close up shop for 145. Not only did no one actually ask for that fight, it was a like a squash match between the Ultimate Warrior and Steve Lombardi. It lasted as long as one at least.

- Who will be the first MMA journalist to write about Cyborg's ridiculous physique. I don't want to make any sort of insinuations but I personally have never seen a female look that muscular. Her muscles had muscles. I'm not making any sort of implication though so don't read this as such. I'm just giving some food for thought.

- Scott Coker must be an alum of the Milford Academy because he is neither seen nor heard. Yes there are people who don't enjoy Dana White's tendency to be front and center but Scott just isn't willing to play the part of promoter. 2012 will be interesting when he's traveling with Dana and the two need to work together at events.

- Gus Johnson definitely enjoys calling boxing more than MMA. His work on the microphone during Froch-Ward was refreshing and reminded me why I enjoy his work for the New York Knicks and football. People were happy on twitter he wouldn't be calling Strikeforce but after last night's booth work, I'd have preferred Johnson been calling the action.

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Biggest winner was ULL - our first bowl game win EVER!

Worth missing the fights, apparently. Hardcore coaches

Nice to see Ward winning it all.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Dec 18, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Albert Wesker?

Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Dec 18, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Aiye motha fucka

by Afrotikiman on Dec 18, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It was more fun than GSP-Shields

But in terms of performance, you have to consider the eye poke, and before that GSP landed power shots on Shields at a 40% clip while Shields couldn’t do anything.

However, if you don’t feel like giving GSP any credit for fighting with the injury, that probably ranks worse than Melendez-Masvidal.

by paythefighters on Dec 18, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more.

I mean he beat Masvidal at his won game and he did for 4 or 5 rounds. Its not like we saw GSP take Shields down a gnp him to a decision victory. Yea so he didn’t finish Jorge, but he essentially shut him down, which to me was equally impressive. He drew up a game plan, followed it and got a definite W, bottom line.

by Cestus84 on Dec 18, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It was a great performance by a great fighter, considering the type of opposition he was facing.

“The single worst performance in a championship fight I can remember.” Remember Cyborg’s opponent form last night? She did WAY better than Gil did hey?

KJ is regressing? Adding leg kicks, takedowns, and better defence is regressing?

If you want to say you think someone is on juice, just fuckin say it. I think for SURE she is not a natural woman, and until I can actually see her Vagina, that’s a fuckin man, and The scientific process agrees with me.

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by Shotokanman on Dec 18, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

OSP looked horrible

i always thought Mousasi, OSP, Larkin, and King Mo will def. be in UFC in no time but now OSP is out of that list.

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by DK_Monster on Dec 18, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

he definitely did, I'm eating crow.

I didn’t think either man fought to their abilities- OSP fought scared and looked like a total newb, while Gegard remained calm and composed but STILL got muscled around

by Body Triangle on Dec 18, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was a step forward for Mousasi

I mean come on, getting taken down by Jardine? I though OSP would manhandle Mousasi.

Unfortunately, Mousasi’s cardio is still very sub-par.

by paythefighters on Dec 18, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Props on the Milford Academy line. You and I could never have been Milford men.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 18, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

and IMO ward vs. froch wasnt exactly a great fight either

it was just ward proving that hes the top super middleweight. froch never got the timing right and his shots were wide and slow. on the other side, ward (once again) showed his great clinch work.

I believe Ward will take Bute out easily.

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by DK_Monster on Dec 18, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

What a stinker of a card

This is what we get after White commits to Strikeforce and it wasn’t good. Strikeforce needs a prospect-building identity because trying to keep top 10 guys motivated for a Strikeforce title just wont work. If the fighters knew they were moving towards a UFC contract, we would have seen much better fights. At this point, they’re fighting for or towards a pergatory championship. Strikeforce fighters don’t care which makes it hard for me to care.

by Luffmania on Dec 18, 2011 10:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

he committed to strikeforce like 2 days ago.

by Phildo on Dec 18, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s in the wrong spot.

by Phildo on Dec 18, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

they should run SF like BFC

bring old but crafty veterans and upcoming prospects and hold tournaments.

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by DK_Monster on Dec 18, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree with boxing having the better night

But putting the words ward&star together just don’t fit. He has some really good talent but lacks any significant part of the star factor

He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were

by Elstriko on Dec 18, 2011 10:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i think he has everything to be a star

hes fast, atheletic, and exciting. only thing is hes lacking is KO punching power (and his jabs could be better … but its not lacking) and hes only 27 right now. i’d give him some more time to improve.

he has some serious raw talent and i think if he didnt take some time off playing basketball, his name would be on the P4P rankings list by now.

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by DK_Monster on Dec 18, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

exicting

I just don’t see it. I’ve watched prolly 10 of his fights know shobox and showtime. And never once was he in what I would I call a thrilling or exciting bout. But he is a real professional prizefighter and undoubtedly skilled both in craft and athletically.

He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were

by Elstriko on Dec 18, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

exciting???

Are we talking about the same person?! He is boring as SHIT. He is without a doubt an incredibly talented fighter, but neither his style nor his persona are what I nor most would call “exciting”

by OneFitchTwoFitchRedFitchBlueFitch on Dec 18, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i dont think his persona is exciting

but ward’s clinch game is always exciting.
did you see what he did to abraham in clinch? abraham didnt even know what to do.

hes not a knockout artist thats for sure, but i wouldnt call him “boring”

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by DK_Monster on Dec 18, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

well

I would. haha agree to disagree brotha

by OneFitchTwoFitchRedFitchBlueFitch on Dec 18, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

boring

Is about the nicest thing one could say about wards fights. Damn hotdog eating contest are more eventful and draw a bigger crowd

He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were

by Elstriko on Dec 18, 2011 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

It was't that bad, for a dirty boxing fight.

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by Unabomberman on Dec 18, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Is dirty boxing fun or exciting or really enjoyable? I don’t find it so. Not when its the only real "action " going on

He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were

by Elstriko on Dec 18, 2011 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

KJ regressed?

I thought that if anything, he looked more like a complete martial artist. He threw some good kicks, his takedown defense was even BETTER and his takedown in the first fight was awesome. His boxing as always was off the charts. Regressed? Not so much at all.

Regarding Mousasi, I’d say that was an awesome, if not surprising, performance out of him. I say this because people thought he’d be on his back for most of that fight after all the wrestling talk about OSP. Instead we saw Mousasi out-grapple him for nearly the entire fight and absolutely smash him in the first which earned IMO (and others) and 10-8 round for him.

That charging takedown after ending up mounted? Fantastic.

by thievesdont on Dec 18, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

his first takedown in the fight*

by thievesdont on Dec 18, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

his boxing wasn't off the charts yesterday

especially in the first round.

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by DK_Monster on Dec 18, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

The first round was a bit of a slow start, but once it opened up in rounds 2 and three he was landing some awesome punches (and throwing), and had some excellent combinations.

by thievesdont on Dec 18, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

that is true

but at the same time, i expected more from his boxing since i always considered him the top LW boxer in MMA.

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by DK_Monster on Dec 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

i cant disagree more

sure there were a few positives for both fighters, like mousasi’s 1st round and noons mixing up of strikes. but overall mousasi looked like a compeltely different fighter in the 2nd and 3rd when he should have stepped on the gas and finished osp and noons barely squeked a win out over a guy that i had never heard of before

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by milk72 on Dec 18, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Well in KJ's defense

Evangelista took Masvidal to a decision so I wasn’t exactly expecting Noons to finish him(His only two losses). In fact overall they have faced similar competition. Noons vs Evangelista was a good matchmaking decision and you just apparently need to watch more MMA.

by DCJon. on Dec 18, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Loser: The women’s 145 pound division.

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by TheLastEmpress on Dec 18, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Loser who shouldn't have a job:

The referee in the Mousasi/OSP fight. Such horrible refereeing. Standing up Mousasi, warning OSP about a stand up AS SOON as moves to side control, yelling at them to move in the stand up and against the cage. I never want to see that guy call a fight ever again.

Big John and Gene Lebell judging was a good move though last night.

by thievesdont on Dec 18, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

my friend’s and I were making jokes about how the ref might ask for an improvement of position while someone was submitting the other…I mean he asked for an improvement once while Mousasi had OSP in crucifix!?

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by tigerlee on Dec 18, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Could not agree more.

Unreal for a ref to act in such a manner. I am against stand-ups and this is exactly why. Its a huge injustice to a fighter that is working his game against his opponent just to have a crappy ref handicap him by standing them up. And if the crowd does not understand enough about the ground game to appreciate what they are seeing…fsck ’em. Go learn about MMA and come watch when you are ready.

by MadNachos on Dec 18, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Gil Melendez had the worst performance of a champion in 2011? I think Cain Velasquez would gladly take that performance.

by xDieseLx on Dec 18, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Worst winning performance?

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by halitosis on Dec 18, 2011 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

somewhere in the world

GSP and Shields are very upset right now

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by DK_Monster on Dec 18, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I got to agree with this, also shogun against bones, was awful too. He looked terrible and got destroyed. Although I was not impressed with Gil last night, he was at least throwing punches. And landing.

by J smooth 420 on Dec 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

MAtthew Roth, you are worse then Mauro Renallo. “Hey that guy’s nose is bleeding! He must have lost the fight.”

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by Warhand on Dec 18, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I fell asleep in the 4th round of the Melendez fight

I was actually enjoying the fight too and this is first time I’ve fallen asleep during a card that wasn’t in Japan at crazy hours.

People actually picked OSP? And Yamanaka should win an award for worst gameplan of the year.

by Tats16 on Dec 18, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

i too dozed off during that fight

it was just… boring, noone seemed to be landing punches, doing any damage, or have any motivation to finish the fight

not impressed with melendez after that, a performance like that just wasnt good enough

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by milk72 on Dec 18, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was awful fighting.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Dec 18, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

AllI could think about is how bad Frankie would put it on Gil if they fought.

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by ANance on Dec 18, 2011 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If there was ever a must win for Gil it was last night. A loss would have been devastating for his career at this point with the current Zuffa/SF situation so I understand why he played it safe. I still don’t like it, tho.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Dec 18, 2011 11:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Great observations!

Right on the mmoney. You mentioned Cyborg and her blatant and obvious use of steroids. You should write up some kind “expose” regarding doping in MMA. I mean if Overeem can get a license to fight in the US then they might as well just legalze it and throw out the facade that they actually care. It’s a joke.

by littlebillywalters on Dec 18, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Cyborg is beastmode....

She reminds me of Wandy the way she throws bomb after bomb.

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by ANance on Dec 18, 2011 11:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Oh, and Mousasi. Here is a perfect example of why I like the guy:
Mo: You have been working on your wrestling and it showed tonight. Are you happy with your performance?
Mousasi: No, not really.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Dec 18, 2011 11:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

He could knock someone out in five seconds and be upset that he didn’t do it in four.

by thievesdont on Dec 18, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Overeem never tested positive for roids

Not saying he doesn’t use but no proof no problem getting a licence.

by fightersvizion on Dec 18, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Anyone with half a brain can take one look at him and tell you he is juicing. This isn’t an under the radar type of TRT BS that Hendo and Sonnen pull. The guy looks like a professional body builder. My point is if the testing is so inadequate that even Overeem can pass, what is the use of thtesting at all?

by littlebillywalters on Dec 18, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

What about Justin Wilcox? Have you seen him at 155?

All anyone has regarding Overeem are unproven claims regarding steroid usage. Until he tests positive, thats all you have.

Concerning Hendo and Sonnen, Hendo is getting up there in age and when that happens, your testosterone levels decrease. Not only has he never failed a test before, but he’s never been over the limit or hid/lied about his usage like Sonnen has either.

by thievesdont on Dec 18, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

thats not to say that I’ve never had suspicions myself, but until he fails a drug test we may never know.

by thievesdont on Dec 18, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

With few exceptions, the only reason for men of Henderson or Sonnen’s age to need TRT is because they messed up their bodies taking steroids in the first place.

by McEwen on Dec 18, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

‘With few exceptions’ is a pretty open ended statement so I am not sure what you mean, but this is a subject I have much experience with and I think many people don’t understand how common low testosterone in men is.

I am over 40 and a few years back my test levels were low enough to cause serious issues for myself and we have no idea why. Lots of joint pain, headaches, and other issues that were diagnosed incorrectly at first. Once it was discovered that my testosterone levels were very low these symptoms were easy to treat. Testosterone is amazing.

One thing to keep in mind when talking about testosterone is the extremely wide range of what is considered ‘normal’. It would be perfectly acceptable for one 30 year old male to have two to three times the testosterone level of another male of the same age and with the same level of health. Such a huge range opens the window for abuse as a moderate rise in testosterone levels can have a dramatic impact on your level of physical fitness. Unless you have used it I think its hard to understand how much it does for you. We all have some idea of what it does but once you double your levels you simply cant grasp how it makes you feel and what it does to your body.

Anyway, my point is that Hendo or Sonnen may or may not actually require TRT and if they do, saying it must be from prior abuse is not really consistent with reality. Its certainly possible though. Since all fighters could probably double their testosterone levels and still test ‘clean’ it is a very tricky area to regulate but I think they need to make a better effort at it by establishing what is normal for a fighter and then checking for large variations from that range. Something needs to be done to make it a level playing field.

by MadNachos on Dec 18, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The keys here are that you were in you 40’s when diagnosed, whereas both Sonnen and Henderson began in their early to mid-30’s…..highly uncommon. And, when it happens with fair regularity among young men in a sport where steroid use is widely assumed to occur, and a known side effect of steroid misuse/abuse is that it inhibits the body’s natural testosterone production, there’s some compelling circumstantial evidence.

by McEwen on Dec 18, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I was in my mid-30’s at the time.

I certainly agree that once you abuse/use testosterone its pretty much a ‘for life’ deal but I have been constantly amazed by how many men I have talked to that had similar experiences to mine. A lot of guys simply dont want to talk about being on testosterone for medical reasons. I dont have that stigma, its simply just another health issue that can happen. And I dont totally disagree with you, I am just saying that those guys might have a legit medical need for TRT without the abuse although I do think its a bit less likely. I grew up around people that ‘juiced’ in a few different sports and knew people that sold the stuff…its waaaayyy more of an issue than many people care to admit. A lot of heads in the sand on this issue to be sure.

by MadNachos on Dec 18, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He may or may not have been juicing, but he is subject to the same rules as the rest of them and don’t think for a minute that most of those guys are not using something during training. Its a big problem in sports that are not as physical and have tougher testing so I think you can assume its also a big problem in MMA. I gotta add though that the amount of muscle that he put on is not unreasonable for someone at his age, it was not overnight, it was over enough time to make it plausible.

by MadNachos on Dec 18, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

They need UCI style testing

The UCI (cycling) methods are as good as can be done. They get a baseline on what is ‘normal’ for that athlete then all tests are compared to that baseline. This takes into account the natural differences between people. They need to do blood and urine testing at random year round for fighters if they want to stop it.

by MadNachos on Dec 18, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

KJ Noons is an overrated striker. His punches are wild and his defense is awful.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 18, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a reason for his performance last night

New hairstyle. It hadn’t been battle tested yet. Now that he realizes it stands up to the rigors of three rounds of scrappy action, he’ll let the fists fly and be stylin’ in more ways than one for his next fight!

by ( . Y . ) on Dec 18, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He tightened up his punches and defence considerably, I thought.

Compared with his fight against Masvidal, for sure.

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by Shotokanman on Dec 20, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone know where the prelims can be viewed?

I really want to see the KOs by Roger Bowling and Caros Fodor.

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by Kid Khaos on Dec 18, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

This, I hope Strikeforce puts them online.

by thievesdont on Dec 18, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, at least a gif would be nice

but I couldn’t find anything via google so far.

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by killphil on Dec 18, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I had to laugh so hard when Masvidal walked away after the decision like he’s saying

“Fuck that, I got robbed”

His corner should have told him to do whatever is possible in the 5th. Flying armbars, swinging for the fences, pulling a knife, etc….

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by killphil on Dec 18, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Technically his corner robbed him...

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by Unabomberman on Dec 18, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah what the hell?

When Masvidal’s corner was talking to him between the 4th and 5th I was wondering if they thought the fight was 12 rounds, not 5. Even the most biased observer would have to admit that, at best, the decision would still likely go to Melendez.

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by skateordie on Dec 18, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I couldn't decide whether Jorge's guys

or Rampage’s corner in his fight with Bones were worse. It was just outrageously bad.

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by Ahriman4891 on Dec 18, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone else super excited Strikeforce is around for 2 more years ? I'm not

Of we get crap like this where the champion is CLEARLY leaps and bounds a head of his opponetes thats not even fun. I mean yeay Strikeforce matchmaking was easy to call before the buy out but last night was sad.

That ref in the OSP Gegard fights sucked and I almost think Billy Evangilista won that fight need to go back and watch it.

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by MaZZacare on Dec 18, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

If Evangelista hadn’t shook his head & smiled after every solid punch landed the judges might have seen it a little differently, that’s a sure sign that a punch did connect & stung at least a little. He’s a tough dude, but c’mon son get a poker face.

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by tigerlee on Dec 18, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Strikeforce ALWAYS entertains me.

I’m stoked they are sticking around, this year has been nothing but OH SHIT moments.

Paul Daley, Fedor, Diaz, HWGP….

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by Shotokanman on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

SO KJ Noons has some of the best boxing in the division

And got blasted on the feet by Gamebred.

Gamebred got blasted by Gil last night.

But El Nino’s performance was not impressive?

Contradictory much?

CHAMPION 2011

by BonesBloodyElbow on Dec 18, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

ooh chippy! someone’s just looking for a fight…I’ll get the popcorn

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by tigerlee on Dec 18, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

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seriously whats with this weasley “just asking questions” type bullshit

by yngjzy on Dec 18, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lolwut
Boxing – Last night Boxing won. The Carl Froch-Andre Ward fight was great and created a new star in Ward.

There wasn’t a single person other than existing boxing fans who enjoyed that fight. That fight was as bad as the Dallas/Tampa Bay game, and as one-sidedly boring as Gil’s defeat of Masvidal.

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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 18, 2011 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

It also reminded me of another reason why MMA in a cage is so much better than boxing in a ring: They have a big burly guy at the cage door to keep all the leeches and hangers-on from crowding around the fighters after the fight, looking to bask in some sort of reflected glory. Just the corner guys, the ref, and the announcer are in the cage.

by ( . Y . ) on Dec 18, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ward doesn’t put on the most exciting performances, and he isn’t a very controversial figure either. I don’t know if he is ever a draw, and i don’t know how far Showtime is going to go if they go with him as their guy.

by discoandherpes on Dec 18, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Horrible Article.

I can’t take this article serious with your idiotic comments on Gilbert. Worst in 2011? GTFO of here. Horrible so called “analysis”.

by Who is Ryoto on Dec 18, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Seriously,

if people really think that guys and gals aren’t juicing and beating tests, then I hope you remember to leave the milk and cookies out next weekend.

Here is why illegal beats legal in this realm almost every time.
1. Cost: the money simply isn’t there to put research and time into developing tests that really work.
2. Monetary gain: It is so much quicker and lucrative (if you are devoid or morals) to create new and effective drugs, or variations of drugs to give the edge athletes crave; that where is the draw to go work for some dated, government contracted, funded, whatever company where you are always playing catch-up in a no win situation? When you are not bound by red tape, procedure, whatever you can’t beat a system that works at an accelerated pace making bank.

Cyborg juices, Reem juices, a crap load of others juice. This whole “well they have never tested positive” argument is stupid because they are beating an ineffective, easy to trick testing system. All a person needs is two things to realize this 1. A pair of functioning eyes, and 2. Some common sense.

I spent years in the gym watching people shoot up right in the locker rooms like “no biggie” and it painfully obvious who was juiced up and who wasn’t. Just like when you look at two fighters in a cage and go “wow, look at the muscles on that fighter”. Not to say that people can’t build impressive muscle without juice, I trained naturally for ten years, but come on.

They should just have two divisions “natural” like in body-building, and then legalize ’roids and let them beat each others asses and stop this ridiculousness. I am stepping down from the podium, lecture is over, class is dismissed. ;)

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by wmuk on Dec 18, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And let me retract my morality statement because it is not really needed. Also mentally erase the extra “that” that should not be in there.

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"It was just such a glorious moment for me" - Jon Jones

by wmuk on Dec 18, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

If beating roid testing is so easy then any female MMA fighter could be on roids. That means Gina, Ronda, Budd and many others.
Got it genius?

Btw the writer of this article should never write for Bloody Elbow again. He is a coward with his no insinuation garbage. But if this is the kind of nonsense they keep posting I’ll stop reading Bloody Elbow

by jdark on Dec 18, 2011 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It is that easy to beat the tests

I am tested monthly for testosterone and have been for several years. All it takes to significantly lower my test levels is a week of not applying the gel that I am prescribed. A fighter could double or triple their test levels and still test ‘normal’ assuming they did not start off with being on the high end of normal. If you are only worried about being tested during certain periods it would be trivial to alter your use of test to make sure you would pass any random test. The testing done in most states is also not anywhere near state of the art. So yea…its easy to ‘cheat’ and not get caught. That is why they do it. The upside is huge, the risk of getting caught is very low. Now go look at the list of fighters that have failed tests and then try to tell me that a huge percentage of pro fighters are not using a little extra help. And BTW, I am not faulting them for doing it, they are playing the game as it has been setup and they all need to pass the same tests.

Oh…and check out some of the womens mandibles. People dont tend to grow bone once they are an adult without a little help. HGH makes everything grow and can be seen in jaws and ears pretty easily. It also makes your guts grow. Ever wonder why certain fighters are all muscle but have a protruding belly? Hmmm.

by MadNachos on Dec 18, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I personally have never seen a female look that muscular

Have you seen female body builders?

by kick_puncher on Dec 18, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yea, I have known a few, and they all juiced.

by MadNachos on Dec 18, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

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