Will Jones cause a migration of LHWs to MW?
With Jon Jones quickly becoming one of the most dominating champions, what will happen to the other elite level fighters in the Light Heavyweight division? Rua, Jackson, and Machida probably won’t be getting another LHW title shot any time soon, but what if they dropped to MW?
UFC Middleweight is a much weaker division when compared to recognition and star power of Light Heavyweight. For example, Mark Munoz is the #3 ranked UFC Middleweight. I’m not saying this to knock Munoz’s skills (he’s very talented) but in terms of fan recognition he can’t even compare with names like Jackson, Rua, Henderson, Machida, Griffin, etc. A little name recognition can go a long ways. It is known that UFC title shots aren’t given strictly because of skill and records alone. Any of the top 10 guys at LHW would probably be only one or two wins away from a MW title shot, if they were to drop down.
After the jump I’ll break it down, by fighter, in terms of whether they are capable of cutting to 185 and if they might consider making the move if it was possible.
Could he cut the weight?
Rua is 6’1 and 30 years old. To my knowledge, he has never competed below 205. But I don’t think he is cutting a ton of weight to make LHW. Most Brazilian fighters don’t cut the large amount of weight we see from US fighters like Rumble Johnson and Forrest Griffin. I don’t think he would be drawn out at 185 with the right diet and the proper cutting technique. I think he could safely cut to 185.
Would he do it?
Rua dropped his last two fights to Jones and Henderson. I don’t think he anticipates getting another shot at the LHW title any time soon. The thought of Rua fighting at 185 would be as exciting for fans as much as it would be terrifying for the majority of fighters in the MW division. The only deterrent is if he’s unwilling to eventually fight fellow Brazillian, Anderson Silva, for the title. I’m not sure what Rua’s relationship with Anderson Silva is like, but if Rua did cut to 185 you can bet he’d be in the title “mix” pretty quickly.
Rampage Jackson
Could he cut the weight?
Jackson is 6’1 and 33 years old. From what I know about Jackson, he walks around fairly heavy between training camps. He entered his training camp at 240 when he began training for Matt Hamill. At this point in his career I don’t think he could (or would be motivated to) compete at 185. I think Jackson knows that he won’t be considered as a serious title contender during the Jones era. He will likely remain as one of the top 205ers for the rest of his career.
Could he cut the weight?
Machida is 6’1 and 33. He has fought at 214 and even 225 in the past. He looked good at the weigh-ins for the Jones fight. While he might have a slightly more challenging cut to 185 than Rua, I think he could do it with the proper nutrition and technique.
Would he do it?
You have to admit, seeing Machida fight anyone at 185 would be really interesting. He does keep in contact with Silva, but I’m not sure if this would prevent the two from fighting. After becoming Jones’ most recent victim, Machida might want to get in contact with a good nutritionist and then complete a test cut to 185 and see how he feels.
Can he finally beat Jones if he defeats Davis and gets his title shot? Well, I wouldn’t bet a dime against Jones at this point. For the sake of this discussion, let’s say Rashad eventually loses to Jones.
Could he cut the weight?
At 5’11 and 32 years old, Rashad is one of the shorter LHWs. Although he used to fight at 225, I think Rashad has the best chance of making 185 out of the previous fighters I mentioned. As a former wrestler, Rashad has the right knowledge and techniques needed to help him smoothly transition to 185.
Would he do it?
Consider it a Psychic Octopus prediction that after Rashad loses his inevitable fight with Jones, he will cut to 185. He has the speed, technical striking and wrestling needed to beat any UFC Middleweight (with the possible exception of Silva). He would also be competing against fighters closer to his size, instead of the 6’4 Jones.
Next I’ll quickly go through some of the other LHWs Jones hasn’t beaten yet.
Could he cut the weight?
Dan is 40 now, and while he has fought more at 185 than anyone else I mentioned, it could be hazardous to Dan’s health to continue cutting weight at his age.
Would he do it?
If I was forced to pick one of the current LHWs to beat Jones, I would have to go with Henderson. The possible scenario has been mentioned before; an overconfident Jones charges in and eats an H-bomb to the head. With that said, I think Bones is too smart to walk into that. Henderson will probably end up fighting at Franklinweight.
Forrest Griffin
Could he cut the weight?
No. Forrest is 6’3 and already cuts a ton of weight to make 205. I don’t think he could comfortably fight at Middleweight.
Could he cut the weight?
At 6’2 and with a wrestling background I have a feeling Davis is already cutting a good amount of weight to make 205. At 27 years old, his career will be long enough to rebound from potential losses to Evans or Jones and continue to improve. I think he will remain at the top of 205 for the foreseeable future.
So, BE, what do you think, is there anyone else at 205 who might just say, “Fuck it, I don’t ever want to fight Jones, I’m gonna stop eating poptarts and cut to 185.”? Does anyone have more insight as to how much weight Rua and Machida are currently cutting?
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Rua said after he won the title from Machida that he would fight Anderson but has also said he walks around at 230 lbs and he’d never thought about it at the pre fight presser for UFC Rio
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A chubby 230, I bet.
Shogun is pretty thick, and he’s never had shredded 6 pack abs, but I think that he has a middleweight build. I think he just likes to eat.
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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 13, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
"Yeah let me run away from Jon Jones into the loving arms of Anderson Silva..."
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by menckenstein on Dec 12, 2011 3:11 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
When you put it like that, it’s realy like being caught between a rock and a hard place, but remember, Silva is 36 and is clsoer to the end of his career than the beginning. Jones is only 24 and it looks like he won’t be going away any time soon.
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by Psychic Octopus on Dec 12, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Similarly
Jones might not be long for LHW if he fills out his frame.
Good point
If Jones clears out LHW (he’d have to beat Rashad, davis, and Hendo first) I see either a superfight at 205 with Silva or a move up to HW.
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by Psychic Octopus on Dec 12, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Let's say that takes at minimum one year
A new contender who deserves a shot at LHW must emerge. Gustaffson is my best bet.
LOL
Well said. Although at this moment, Silva has to appear to be more beatable — he’s 37, had an injury which almost cost him the Sonnen fight, and now has another more serious injury. Jones lost a single round for the first time since…
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looking into the foreseeable future.....
The only one that makes any sense at all is Rashad. Rashad, with his wrestling past, would be able to get his cut and diet set fairly quickly.
While Rua and Machida most likely could make the cut, i just can’t see it happening. Both would need a good deal of time to work this out. Nutritionists and practice cuts are not stable changes at first.
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It also doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for Machida as long as Anderson is still champion, they’ll never fight each other.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 12, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Shogun would be very interesting, but I think he’s sort of just too lazy to even attempt a cut like that, don’t see it happening.
Also it could be noted that all of these guys mentioned are doing pretty damn well at LHW (except not beating Jones).
by Horselover Fat on Dec 12, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
that's true
i’m assuming the goal is winning the belt. regardless how well they are doing the LHW’s that are doing well (except beating Jones) are all north of 30 w/ a 24 year old wunderkind champion. Anderson is 36 and may be out of the game in a few years.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Dec 12, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
True, yeah. Even so, 20 pounds is a lot, especially if you are getting up there in age.
by Horselover Fat on Dec 12, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oh god I hope so
Shogun is pretty flabby and could definitely make it, but like someone else said I feel as if he’s too lazy to do so. Hopefully he considers it though because he’s not likely to ever get a shot at LHW again. Rashad is the most likely after he gets trashed by Jones, but he has gained a pretty large amount of muscle in the past year and a half, so I wonder how easy it would be for him to do it at this point in time
Machida, Hendo and Evans could do it if they wanted to. SHogun said people ask him about it but he would have to cut off his leg. I would love to see Shad make a serious effort to make it.
Other people cutting wieght are the folks coming down from HW to LHW like hopefully Beltran and Barry.
Velasquez is only 29 he could easily go to LHW if he wanted to change his physique.
JOnes is damn good but he isn’t invinceable . We’re just measuring him against a plodding Rampage, a broken Shogun, one dimensional Bader, and an undersized machida who did a great job for 7.5 minutes.
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by Hardy's in your face on Dec 12, 2011 6:58 PM EST reply actions
No way Velasquez makes LHW.
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by TheLastEmpress on Dec 12, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
he could if he wanted to. strict diet for a few months and he could be fit and shredded 225 and just cut 20lbs on fight week.
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by Hardy's in your face on Dec 13, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hemlooks shitty at 250lbs
I’m not sure he’d be shredded at 225.
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You are correct sir. For some reason I guess that Griffin fight just wasn’t very memorable for me.
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by Psychic Octopus on Dec 13, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Machida and Silva are training partners and BFF
Anderson stated numerous times that he wouldn’t challenge the LHW belt while Machida and Little Nog were in tittle contention spots. That’s certainly not the case anymore, but if Silva was not willing to fight in the LHW division because of that reason its pretty safe to say that we would never fight Lyoto.
Also Team Nogueira fighters are always very clear about not fighting training partners just like AKA fighters.
Interesting write-up btw
I was expecting a silly op-ed about how Jones would scare fighters in general out of the division, but instead you gave a thoughtful analysis on the top contenders, which is much more appropriate. I didn’t agree with everything you said but you made some good points. I hadn’t even considered the possibility of Shogun dropping down, which may be plausible. He’d definitely bring some star power with him, which the MW division could use.
Re Shogun
I don’t think he fancies the cut and I doubt his knees could sustain the impact that amount of cardio would require. But of all the people mentioned he is the softest at 185. He easily carries 10lbs+ of extra fat into each fight.
You don't cut weight with cardio
You cut it by sweating. You could do it in a bath tub if you wanted to.
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I know how to cut weight - do you?
Shogun would first have to diet the excess fat off his body and then cut weight before the fight to get to 185. No way he makes 185 by just maintaining his current bodyfat level and trying to cut water weight. So there would be cardio involved in him making 185 no doubt about it.
by taptomyarmbar on Dec 13, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
What you're saying is stupid
I doubt his knees could sustain the impact that amount of cardio would require
You said he can’t do cardio because of his knees. If he can’t do cardio. He can’t fight. Period.
That wasn’t the point though. There’s a lot of ways to cut weight without running or jumping rope.
You sound like an asshole and I don’t think you know how to cut weight at all. Seeing as you didn’t even talk about it. Diet is not a weight cut and who said he wouldn’t diet anyway?
In short: FAIL.
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Chill dude
Sorry if it came across like that. And yes I know how to cut weight and diet properly, I have done so many times. =-)
by taptomyarmbar on Dec 14, 2011 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind seeing some of the 205’ers try their hand at HW. I think if Rampage got really fat he could still do well at HW.
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hell, he might beat lesnar
if he can hit him before he’s taken down.
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by some schmuck in texas on Dec 13, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions

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