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UFC 140: Lament for a Dragon

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So I'm a huge Machida fan, and maaaan am I a sad panda after last night.

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It's extremely tough watching a favorite fighter lose, especially in brutal fashion. I thought it appropriate to write a little about Machida's performance, how he lost, and what it means.

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First, last, and most important, Jon Jones is the better fighter. This takes nothing away from Machida, Jon Jones is just head and shoulders above everyone not named Anderson Silva or in the heavyweight division. Side note, yes, Jones would destroy Anderson. I think that's more of a style issue than a "better" thing, but regardless, Anderson's accomplishments are impeccable. I'm still ranking him #1.

The Lyoto Machida we saw last night, however, was the best we've ever seen. The first round, in particular, Lyoto put on a masterful performance that threw Jones off his game for the first time in the UFC. I have to admit that this surprised me. I expected that Jones' reach would pose a problem for Machida similar to the rest of Jones' opponents. My reasoning was, even though Machida was comfortable at kicking range, Jones has such long limbs that Machida's kicking range will be Jones' punching range, and the traps inherent in Machida's stance would leave him vulnerable to Jones' boxing. It turns out, though, that meeting a fighter that kept the same range as him left Jones distinctly uncomfortable. In addition, Jones' mediocre boxing didn't allow him to take advantage of his reach, the looping lead hook he waded in with in the first round didn't land even once. In sum, TheFilt said it best:

Machida on the other hand is a Shotokan World Champion. To be honest, Jones’ last fight looked a bit like a point Karate match. I just don’t see him winning one of those with Lyoto.

The difference in confidence was very obvious, Machida looked more confident than I've ever seen him in that first round. He did everything perfectly, moving constantly without being jittery, setting and charging in when he could, defending or moving away from Jones' kicks without ever taking his eyes off of Jones' upper body, and mixing up his attack. It was goddamned beautiful while it lasted. Even the few times Jones came close with a strike, like the clinch knee below, Machida's confidence seemed unshakable.

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He continued his Anderson Silva-style hand movement and Jones seemed confused about how to stop that straightforward rush seen above. The problem was worse when Jones tried the low kick, well established as a good weapon for him and a great idea against Machida.

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Unlike Shogun in his fight with Machida, Jones makes an elementary mistake in kicking technique that is far too common in MMA. He hasn't "gotten" yet that a roundhouse thrown with less commitment is actually more dangerous in terms of the counterpunch than one thrown with full commitment. Shogun, being the Muay Thai expert he is, pretty much always turns his entire upper body far enough that the shoulder on the kicking side covers his chin. Jones, turning his body only partway, does not. See my other writings (here or here) for more about this.

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In this fight, the Martian Manhunter was out-struck in a round for the first time in the UFC, and that's remarkable. Unfortunately for Machida, MMA takes place in 3 phases and as I'd fretted, Jones' wrestling was the game-changer. After going back to his corner clearly looking concerned between rounds 1 and 2, Jones turned the tables on Machida after the takedown and elbow.

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I say turned the tables not just because it changed the momentum of the fight, or because it was the turning point in the fight, but because this sequence above totally took away Machida's confidence. He said as much after the fight, saying that the cut totally changed the fight for him. It was very evident as Lyoto broke from the clinch following the above sequence that things had changed. Gone was the Anderson Silva hand movement, gone were the upper body leans from side to side, gone was the balanced shift from foot to foot. Instead, the threat of Jones' wrestling had Machida desperate to keep range instead of owning that distance. It made Machida back up against the fence until he had nowhere to go, and exchange in punching range with an ill-advised left overhand that Jones showed surprising punching power in countering (also great strategy in using a superman punch, the fake kick drew Machida's intended counter).

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People are talking about the adjustments Jon made to start the second, and he did indeed make adjustments; he decided to use his wrestling. He also used more body kicks, which are harder to counter punch over top, but Jones outstruck Machida in the same way that Georges St. Pierre outstruck Thiago Alves. It was the takedown and ground 'n pound that made Machida plant his feet, stay stationary, and become tentative in his striking (incidentally, this is what Georges has to do to Nick Diaz should they ever meet, otherwise Nick will box his ears off).

I'm not mad that Jones won, nor am I mad about the drop after the choke. The ref tells you to let go, you let go quick. I'm not even mad at Jones about the whole, "Check on him to get fans!" thing, I just think he was listening to his trainer/manager and that trainer happens to be a raging douche. I'm not a Jones hater, though I used to dislike him for stabbing Rashad in the back, but the more I learn about Greg Jackson the more I think it was just a bullshit philosophy from a trainer who's much more "fake" than the fighter he coaches, and Jon, being young, followed his trainer.

We learned a few things about Jones last night. 1. He can be rocked, but he can also take a shot. 2. A counterstriker who is comfortable at range could win, if not for the requirement that they must be able to stay on their feet (the latter part being why I'm not interested in a Shogun rematch with Jones), and no other fighter like that exists in the LHW division. 3. Once again, and like I've said before, guard does not apply to Jon Jones. A Rashad Evans match is the only one I'm interested in for Jones, and only barely. Rashad simply does not have the striking at range to compete standing, so putting Jones on his back is the only shot he has.

I'm really here about Machida though. I'm very sad he lost, but I'm not disappointed in his performance. Jon Jones is simply a better wrestler, with possibly the best ground 'n pound in the sport right now, and Machida put on bar-none the best performance of his career for the first 5 minutes, against the toughest fighter he's ever faced. Some "writers" that should be ashamed to call themselves such writers have claimed that Jones made Machida quit in the second, but I disagree. The elbow, the wrestling, and the ground 'n pound clearly took away Machida's confidence, but not his will to fight. Those are not the same thing. How do I know? When it all came down to it at the end, Machida is a man of his word, and he lived by the creed he set forth after UFC 84:

I will die, but I will not tap.

Compare Machida's post-choke flop to the canvas to Rashad's at UFC 98. Ridicule his 1-3 record over his past 4 fights. Proclaim Jones the best in the world in any weight class. None of that takes away from the skill or heart that Lyoto showed in the octagon Saturday night. He didn't decide to talk smack instead of fighting, like Rashad did before being rendered unconscious. He didn't talk about Jones not deserving his success or ridicule him like Rampage did. Machida showed up in the best shape of his life and showed how good he is, before we learned that Jones is just better.

If choker, cheater, and felon Chael Sonnen can call himself champion, then Lyoto is still the once-and-future champion in my mind. Perverse as it may sound, given the performance he gave in the cage, heart he showed, and the integrity he displayed by living to his words, this is still the face of a champion to me:

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"I will die, but I will not tap."

Respect.

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I love Machida, Love him. I am TMA mark, I even believed that Cung Le could beat a punchy Wandy. It’s just this level of athletics that are cultivated in the major sports i the US. Jon Jones spent his youth getting his ass beat by his NFL caliber bros. I know that TMA can rise to the level of wrestling and boxing in MMA, but it needs an athlete that would step away from traditional sports at some point in their lives and channel that into MMA. Machida just wasn’t that guy this time around.

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by Jeremy Couturier on Dec 11, 2011 10:36 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think Machida is that guy.

Against anyone except Jones. Yes, Shogun beat him twice, but I’d be extremely interested in seeing a third fight after the version of Machida we saw last night. He beat Rampage as well, which is one hell of an accomplishment given how much danger Rampage carries in his fists. I’d be interested in that rematch as well.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Rampage really rocked the air 2 or 3 times in that fight. The air was almost out in the second round.

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by DayGeaux on Dec 12, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I will die, but I will not tap.

Lyoto, love ya, but you’re a moron.

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by Unabomberman on Dec 11, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

Normally I’d agree, but not tapping to a choke isn’t like not tapping to an armbar. Not that I don’t respect tapping to a tight submission, but knowing you’re about to go out and still trying to fight it takes heart that I’d never have. Gotta respect that.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fucking insane.

But I can see how one would find admirable qualities in it. Lyoto must’ve kept telling himself “Okay, now I have to get out of this,” even though it was dead clear his neck was now property of someone else.

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by Unabomberman on Dec 11, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I mean, yeah.

That kind of heart, self-confidence, and toughness is impressive to me. Not in the least because I don’t have it myself.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention resisting a choke too long just means you wake up later.

One second you are resisting, thinking it’s ok…

Then you wake up.

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by Shotokanman on Dec 12, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If he dies,

he dies.

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by Sugel Mendoza on Dec 12, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

and Machida just put himself on Bones highlight real for life. Machida will never be the same fighter.

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by Jeremy Couturier on Dec 11, 2011 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

That remains to be seen (the same fighter thing, not the HL reel thing). You could’ve said the same after the Shogun KO, which was just as brutal. Yes, Lyoto came out tentative against Rampage, but looked better than ever against Couture and Jones (for awhile). He never showed any denial over getting KO’d then, and admitted his loss of confidence at the press confidence at UFC 140. I can’t say I’ll ever believe he can beat Jones, but I do believe we’ll see Lyoto become great again.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

and Machida will too. No doubt but he won’t win a strap. Neither will Mir. I still am fan of both fighters regardless.

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by Jeremy Couturier on Dec 11, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If Jones leaves for HW he has a chance.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Third gif

That was probably the OH SHIT moment of the year for me. Can’t believe how bummed out I am that Machida and Nogueira lost. I’m always a bit taken aback at how much my favorite fighters’ losses affect me.

by crazybones on Dec 11, 2011 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

Same.

I nearly launched my laptop across the room jumping up from the couch when that happened.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I was really frustrated at Big Nog's choosing not to pound Mir out

He did the exact same thing against Couture, trying to sub him after dropping him, and even though he won anyway and the fans got a entertaining fight out of it, it was a silly decision.

by paythefighters on Dec 11, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Mir looked entirely unconscious too. He probably could’ve gotten the stoppage with just a few more punches.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The moment that stood out to me most

Had to be the slo-mo overhead view of Jones delivering that switchblade of an elbow. The look of dread on Machida’s face as Jones raised his arm up was just…..scary.

aimed at the crotch...

by Damon O. on Dec 11, 2011 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

I firmly believe Jones has the potential to eventually retire with a legacy as the best GnP artist in MMA history. His elbows are a normal man’s punches…but they’re elbows! I would love to see him do some training with Fedor, just to work on his punches on the ground. With his height, reach, and strength, the leverage he can get is like you said. Just scary.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't elbows be smarter?

They deliver more damage, he doesn’t have to worry about breaking his hand, and they can cut his opponent. I’d rather him throw “hellbows” than punches.

by HaterSlayer on Dec 11, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, and I think elbows will continue to be his main weapon on the ground. Not in the least because they’re much harder to stifle and block than punches. I think adding in some hard punches would be smart though, particularly because it could bait opponents into trying wrist control (like Machida did). Wrist control against Jones is awesome….for Jones. It occupies the opponents’ hands in a spot where they’re entirely ineffective in stopping the hellbows rather than leaving them free to get in the way.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think what he meant was

Jones gets almost the same range of motion and distance travelled out of his elbows as a normal man gets out of his punches.

It’s terrifying.

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by Shotokanman on Dec 12, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I've talked with you about this before, but I don't think Jones will ever be a great puncher.

He’s too lanky to coordinate where his fists will end. It’s a very difficult thing to learn for anybody but especially guys with insane reach. That’s what makes Anderson’s accuracy so glorious, people that lanky aren’t supposed to be that coordinated at a distance.
But when Jon’s brain doesn’t have to find a moving object three feet away, he can let loose. And being on the ground, feeling where the opponent is, then moving an elbow half the distance a punch would travel is perfect for him to break things.

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by pdl on Dec 11, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You could certainly be right about that. I definitely don’t think Jon will ever be a great boxer, but I wonder if he could learn to put his body behind those lanky arms and cause more damage on the ground. It would be great for him, particularly because he can punch people in the face from a standing position while they’re on the ground without overextending himself. It would just increase the already large list of places where opponents feel like they’re safe from Jones without actually being so.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be great to open up more elbow opportunities,

but that kid ain’t gonna forget where his bread gets buttered.

One thing I noticed landed really well for Lyoto ducking his head and driving forward like a boxer. There are always head clashes in orthodox vs southpaw fights and once Lyoto got one unintentionally I started thinking that it might have been a smart but completely illegal strategy. Jones is known for getting a bit dirty so it would be hard to blame him for taking it to the same place and since he had to drive in as the inside fighter… wouldn’t have been too hard to pull off right? It would have been insanely frustrating to Jones and hopefully bait him into mistakes, but at the very least it would have given him something else to think about. Make him think high, step out to the right and use the right leg as a block for a trip, throw the straight left while he stumbles (assuming he doesn’t go down). It’s certainly not the worst idea anybody has had to beat Jones. Maybe it’s just my love for Bernard Hopkins but “unintentional” head clashes can totally be a strategy!

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by pdl on Dec 11, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s safer if it’s closer to the top of your head (the knot by your hairline) since that’s the hardest part of the head being used against the softer skin on the forehead or cheek.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh...

I didn’t notice that. Do you remember when it happened? I’d think it would be hard for Machida to use a headbutt strategy because he usually keeps his chin so high…though he does lean far forward when he decides to rush in.

B-Hop is the master of the unintentional dirty boxing, but we’ll see how my man Andre Ward comes along. Haha.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I only watched once, live and tipsy, so I'm not positive.

I remember it being in the first three minutes of the first round? He came in to flurry and Jones didn’t move back as far as expected and it looked like they clashed. Lyoto had his head down, almost reminding me of a Shogun flurry but with straight punches. The exchange ended with Jones backing off looking confused by what hit him, Lyoto backed out a little slower than usual, then the fight was back on. I could be wrong but either way it’s not a terrible idea to give him if I had a time machine, especially since Jones seemed confused by the range and dealing with a southpaw until he got the takedown and forced the cut.
But hey gzl, I’m real happy for ya and imma let you finish, but Tim Bradley has some of the best headbutts of all time. ALL TIME!

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by pdl on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Great stuff

please tell me that someone on sbnation has offered you a writing position.

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by sun yue on Dec 11, 2011 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Nah :)

I’m too inconsistent of a writer to accept even if they did. I wrote 4 pieces over the past 2 months, but before that I hadn’t written since June. And in April, May, and June, I wrote 3 articles, but before that I hadn’t written since Janurary…you get the point.

And thanks!

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Good write up man

I’m a Jones fan so I’m happy, but if it makes you(or any Machida fan) feel any better I was scared ****less in the first round. Before the fight even started it was one of those “bad feeling” type of moments and the first round corroborated that. When Lyoto landed that first shot that rocked Jon I was happy it “proved” he had a chin, but I was mostly thinking that Lyoto was gonna end up knocking him out. After the first I was in gloom and doom and thinking, “This is how it ends.”

What really turned it around was the first big shot that Jon landed(I think it was an overhand). I think that dazed Lyoto and he did a good job at masking it, but Jon realized and then went from the take down. I think him getting dazed, taken down, and cut all in the span of 30 seconds or so really rattled him. It didn’t take his “will to fight” or whatever, but he was in “oh ****” mode. That of course fed Jon Jones’ confidence and the thing with Jon is you CANNOT feed his confidence.

I wrote a long fan post about the blue print to beat him and that is something I mentioned. He has a rep for being arrogant, but he really isn’t. Jon has to do something before he can believe he can do it. After the first he didn’t feel like he could hang with The Dragon on the feet, but in the second he landed some shots and he seemed to settle down. So that first big shot is what started the snowball. Anyway, while Lyoto was in “oh ****” mode Jon’s confidence was on high and he smelled blood and went for the kill. It was a really interesting fight and it lived up to the hype.

I do appreciate you focusing on the merit of the fight and not all the other garbage people are bringing up around it. We’re supposed to be fight fans after all.

by HaterSlayer on Dec 11, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks man.

I’m past worrying about Jones’ personality, I don’t really know him and I’m okay with that. I had that excited, hopeful feeling before the fight, just like I did for the Rashad fight, but I kept worrying about how Lyoto would handle the clinch and the wrestling. So far Rampage is the only one who’s negated the wrestling for any length of time. I see Jones dominating for a very long while.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

In that same fan post I did I said Rampage had the best tools to beat Jon. The problem is Rampage only uses half of his tools(TDD and boxing). If he used his wrestling offensively and kicks then he has a real shot, but ’Page lacks the fight IQ to fight up to his true ability.

by HaterSlayer on Dec 11, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I would agree with you...

If Rampage were faster. I think part of the price he pays for being maybe the strongest man in the division is that he plods like hell. He doesn’t have slow hands or strikes like Forrest does, he just plods flatfooted so often that I’d have trouble imagining him giving Jones much trouble. His offensive wrestling is an interesting option though…like I said, putting Jones on his back would be the best idea possible. From what you said, making Jon do what he’s never had to before is the way to go, and he’s never been on his back for any length of time in the UFC.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

After that first round I thought “Hey, Lyoto could actually pull this off!” Jones showed why he deserves to be the champ, but it was a great fight all around. I do think future challengers should take a note from Lyoto’s performance.

I admire the “never submit” attitude seen last night in both Lyoto and Big Nog. I can understand how a lot of people say its a stupid and foolish way to behave in the cage, but to me it shows an incredible commitment and resolve, more than I will ever have.

Side note, yes, Jones would destroy Anderson.

As my own side note, I completely disagree here. I’m confident that Silva would absolutely school Jones on the feet. Bones would obviously need to get the fight to the ground, but he typically uses the Greco clinch to do so. Engaging in the clinch game with Anderson Silva is just begging to get put in the Thai plum and then put to sleep. I’m not saying that Jones couldn’t win (I actually think he has the best shot to beat Anderson of anyone at 185 or 205), but I would never bet against the Spider.

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by Ominous on Dec 11, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

I'm very, very confident that Jones would beat Anderson.

Standing, yes, I think Anderson would beat him handily (though I’d love to see it). The wrestling would be far too much though. Even though Jones does his best wrestling from the clinch, he still has a shot and insane athleticism behind it. Even in the clinch, Jones is tall enough and strong enough to get his hips close to Anderson and prevent the plum. Chael, for example, stymied the thai clinch the few times that happened in their fight. PS can we get Chael to fight Jones? I’d love to see that.

The weakness Anderson has shown against wrestling and the lazy guard he applied against Sonnen combined with Jones’ fight IQ just gives me no confidence that Anderson would be able to keep it standing. Those hellbows might deliver the first KO of Anderson’s career.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 11, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think Sonnen could get Jones to the ground?

I actually do: Sonnen never goes into “oh s**t” mode", he’s got a granite chin, he’s got endless cardio, and maybe the best takedowns in the sport. I think Jones would win, but I do think Chael would get at least a few take-downs, and maybe get triangled again.

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by PlantingaFan on Dec 12, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe.

Sonnen may be a choker, but he doesn’t get intimidated. If he beat Jones, I’d actually respect him.

Really though, I just wanna see Jones break his face.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

if “choker, cheater, and felon Chael Sonnen” and Jones fought at a catch weight, that “choker, cheater, and felon Chael Sonnen” would get raped

by phantom5691 on Dec 12, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Which would be lovely.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

As one of Anderson's biggest fans

I totally agree. It’s a fair fight with Jones as long as it’s standing, but as soon as it hits the floor and it’s his freak torso and arms against yours?

Even the most skilled fighter in the world would be no match for that. I don’t think anyone is.

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by Shotokanman on Dec 12, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Really nice work

Great read. I’m confident that Machida will be a consistent presence in the top five of the division going forward — what he did with his striking in the first round was downright masterful, as was his ability to avoid the clinch when Jones tried to grab ahold of him. Much like the welterweight division with GSP at the top, light heavyweight is probably going to become an extended battle for the number two spot, but there’s no reason to think Machida won’t be a strong contender for that honor, unless Jones totally destroyed his confidence.

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by Patrick Wyman on Dec 11, 2011 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed with all you wrote, and thanks.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice piece. Machida is a warrior. It’s a word that gets used a lot erroneously, but in this case it couldn’t be more apt.

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by Rundownloser on Dec 12, 2011 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks. I’m with you.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

In the first round Machida proved that Jones is human

He still gets to carry massive respect for that, despite the humiliating sub. When the round ended I was thinking that Machida actually had a real chance at beating Jones via decision if Jones continued to throw half-assed spinning kicks/fists. Machida is way too smart and elusive for that crap. And of course, Jones has to be credited for actively making the correction for solving the Machida riddle.

I enjoyed your post.

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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Dec 12, 2011 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed, and thanks.

The adjustment to grappling and the superman punch to draw the counter are especially impressive because, appropriate as it might’ve been, the most specific advice Jones’ corner gave him was, “He’s looking to counter your kicks!”

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

That was weird

Jackson and Winklejon are usually so much more technical than that. Maybe they had to make it a little more basic given Jones’ nervousness at the time.

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by Patrick Wyman on Dec 12, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for this

His performance in round one was riveting. Really great showing by the Dragon despite the devastating loss.

by Jeflee on Dec 12, 2011 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, him losing was more of a fact of Jones' incredible talent,

as opposed to Lyoto not being good. Machida is a very skilled guy, but Jon is really a whole different kind of fighter. We haven’t seen this kind of talent in the sport yet.

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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 12, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

It's so scary

To think of how good he might be in three years.

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by Patrick Wyman on Dec 12, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

3 Years?

34 Year Old, 250lb Jon Jones is the one I see in my nightmares.

He keeps feasting on my marrow.

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by Shotokanman on Dec 12, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha

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by Patrick Wyman on Dec 12, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless Jones suffers very few injuries between now and 10 years from now

I doubt that 34 year old Jon Jones would be scarier than he is now.

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by ElliotMatheny on Dec 13, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Another 30lbs of lean mass and 10 years of Octogon experience doesn't scare you?

You’re an Animal!

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by Shotokanman on Dec 15, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Great write up.

It’s also an important reminder that despite the last 24 hours’ fervor over “fakeness” and “disrespect” and all this other meaningless nonsense, what actually happened in the fight last night was pretty impressive for both guys. There was a winner, and there was a loser, but that’s how most fights end.

At the end of the day, I’m a bigger fan of both Jones and Machida. Jones’ progression is incredible to witness and Machida has shown that despite going 1-3 in his last 4 he’s still an absolute top 5 LHW. Can’t wait to see both of them fight again.

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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Dec 12, 2011 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks dude.

Totally agree.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Machida is an absolute stud and a great, great fighter.

There’s always someone better, though. How old is Jones, 24? Right now, there’s a 16-year-old who is going to wreck Jones’ shit in about 5 or 6 years, mark my words. He’s going to be more athletic, a better wrestler, and have a similar build. Jones is the first of his kind in MMA. In a few years most of MMA will be of his kind, but the first of the next kind will appear right at the same time. I love this sport.

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by IKiIIed007 on Dec 12, 2011 5:30 AM EST reply actions  

Perhaps.

Jones seems special even given that though. There aren’t many people with his wingspan that can fight at 205. But I guess you could be right if the lanky kids who dream of the NBA now become enthralled with Jones and decide to pick up wrestling instead. The future is indeed exciting, and I’ll keep hoping for Machida to win the belt back. Honestly, I’m most excited to see where the next Machida comes from. I hope the new breed of athletic fighters doesn’t make the MMA style too similar across the board, martial arts are so vast that I hope we keep seeing new and crazy styles.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 6:23 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s the main reason I hope the sport gets huge internationally. Can you imagine the absolute multitudes waiting to blow everyone’s minds in India, China, and Africa?

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by Rundownloser on Dec 12, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

why the wind-up Machida?

you might have beat him to the punch if you just threw a straight shot :(

and keep your fuckin hands up when at close range with no room to maneuver :( got totally faked out.

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by Grappo on Dec 12, 2011 7:36 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, that was uncharacteristic.

Just more evidence he was off his game after the elbow I guess? Silly choice.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i love machida, but Jones is just too much for anyone right now.

and i like that “choker, cheater, and felon Chael Sonnen” line. i think i may have to borrow that one from now on when referring to that choker, cheater, and felon Chael Sonnen

by phantom5691 on Dec 12, 2011 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

Well thanks :)

Pretty sure it’s not meme-worthy, but I appreciate it nonetheless.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

As a TMA practitioner

Lyoto is my personal “hero” for obvious reasons. Thank you for writing this!

Machida looked amazing in Rd-1, and any other opponent would have been completely deflated throwing their best combinations only to savagely attack the air that Machida used to be in. His in and out is borderline teleportation. Yes that’s hyperbole but put yourself in Jones shoes – a 10.5 inch reach advantage and the ONLY thing you can kick is the guys shorts?

Lyoto pulls shit off that we TMA guys practice and drill for hours on end, against the best competition in the world.

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by hardlyworking on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

I used to do TMA as well. It’s just so impressive to see someone doing things in the cage that, by all usual logic, just shouldn’t work…but they do again and again.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Say Word Son!

Every time Jones whiffed on his first dozen or so strikes I was all “OOHHH AAYYYY!!!” brazilian style.

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by Shotokanman on Dec 12, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for writing this post

I’m a big Machida fan, too, so I appreciate the way you wrote this as a fan trying to celebrate what he did right, and understand how he got beaten anyway. That was the first time I’d ever thought Jones might be in trouble, but as you say right up front, Jones is just better.

by bevedog on Dec 12, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Good article, well put together, and I agree.

It seems like I didn’t really appreciate Machida enough until this fight, when I really watched videos and studied him further. The Jones fight only cemented my high opinion of his skill set.

by theworldismine on Dec 12, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

He's one of a kind.

His older fights are worth a watch too. He doesn’t KO people before UFC 94 because of a lack of strength, but each performance is just as masterful.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 16, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Love the write up

You’re absolutely right about Machida’s game breaking down once he stopped “owning the distance”. But honestly, that’s why Jones is so dangerous, he can control standing distance with is extreme reach, and if that fails, his high level greco wrestling gives him options in the clinch and ground.

by squaresphere on Dec 12, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

I am a Jones nuthugger myself, but Machida is probably my second favorite LHW. So it was weird watching that fight for me.

What has always pissed me off is my casual friends calling Machida a bitch for “not getting hit” and “running all fight.” They always decried Karate as anything relevant and were just genuine assholes about it. It got me behind Machida that much more because of his mastery of the style and destroying people and pissing people off with how fast and elusive he was.

Good piece, sir. Love all your work.

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by mountaineers101 on Dec 12, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks! I can’t stand the hate on Machida’s style either. It was the most gratifying thing to see so many people eat crow when, after being called “boring” for so long, Machida put on a little more muscle and suddenly was knocking fools out from UFC 94 on without changing his style.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 16, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Machida fought perfectly for a round and a half

But he made a mistake and he lost. To beat Jones, you’re going to have to fight flawlessly for 25 minutes, and that’s just not realistic.

by Neil Manich on Dec 12, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

That’s it exactly.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 16, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuckin Awesome.

I’m cancelling my Machida Post. This said it all my man.

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by Shotokanman on Dec 12, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, man.

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by gzl5000 on Dec 16, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Great post.

I love that you hit on how Jones can be beat: Counter striking and takedown defense. I thought the same thing after the fight and was glad to see someone as sharp as yourself agree.

I think Rashad is actually poised to beat Jones. He began training with Tyrone Spong over the summer and I think it’s clear why he did. Evans knows that staying on the feet and kickboxing with Jones is the way to beat him.

The dilemma is that defending takedowns is much harder when you are throwing kicks on a regular basis. Yet without the kicks, Jones will be able to control the distance and overwhelm.

I expect to see Evans test out this strategy against Phil Davis. If he does it well I think he will beat Jones.

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by Luke Nelson on Dec 12, 2011 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think your assessment is wrong, but I still think a decisive factor will be Rashad’s footwork. It’s nowhere near the level of Machida’s (few people are), and Jones was able to adapt and figure out how to get inside on him. Rashad is probably faster (possibly faster than anyone at 205), but he also has a tendency to get sloppy with his defense (see fights against Rampage, Thiago Silva, and especially Machida). A lot of that comes from footwork. His loss to Machida was repeatedly blamed on terrible footwork (moving the wrong foot first, crossing his feet, lack of lateral movement). He’s improved obviously, but we won’t know how much of if its enough until we see him against Jones’ reach and ability to cut off the cage.

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by AJB on Dec 12, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

good point on the footwork....

I know Rashad doesn’t have classic good footwork but somehow I always think he does. It’s probably his speed that has me fooled.

He’s improved obviously, but we won’t know how much of if its enough until we see him against Jones’ reach and ability to cut off the cage.

I think the fact that they have sparred countless rounds against one another should help mitigate the reach situation. Evans surely has a few tricks up his sleeve to counter Jones’ reach advantage.

That being said, I think above everything else, the key is staying on his feet. Jones didn’t settle into the fight until he put Machida on the mat and cut him up with an elbow. The longer Evans can keep the fight on the feet the more confidence he’ll get and conversely, the less confident Jones will feel. It might not be enough to win the fight and Evans might be doomed to lose a boringish decision but his only way to victory in my eyes is that route.

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by Luke Nelson on Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too.

My girlfriend was all for Jones and when then he won she sure rubbed it in. I have never seen my girlfriend be so annoying and I hope I don’t ever again. It was horrible.

by J_Maddux on Dec 25, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

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