USA TODAY/MMA Nation November 2011 Consensus Rankings: Welterweight
by Richard Wade on Dec 2, 2011 6:55 PM EST
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| Rank | Fighter | Points | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Georges St. Pierre | 400 | UFC | 1 |
| 2 | Jon Fitch | 376 | UFC | 2 |
| 3 | Nick Diaz | 343 | UFC | 5 |
| 4 | Jake Ellenberger | 335 | UFC | 6 |
| 5 | Carlos Condit | 333 | UFC | 3 |
| 6 | Josh Koscheck | 328 | UFC | 4 |
| 7 | Jake Shields | 304 | UFC | 7 |
| 8 | B.J. Penn | 238 | UFC | 8 |
| 9 | Martin Kampmann | 216 | UFC | 14 |
| 10 | Anthony Johnson | 199 | UFC | 10 |
| 11 | Diego Sanchez | 165 | UFC | 12 |
| 12 | Thiago Alves | 164 | UFC | 11 |
| 13 | Rory MacDonald | 152 | UFC | 13 |
| 14 | Ben Askren | 145 | Bellator | 18 |
| 15 | Rick Story | 139 | UFC | 9 |
| 16 | Charlie Brenneman | 129 | UFC | 14 |
| 17 | Johny Hendricks | 124 | UFC | 19 |
| 18 | Tyron Woodley | 108 | Strikeforce | 17 |
| 19 | Paulo Thiago | 106 | UFC | 16 |
| 20 | Jay Hieron | 103 | Bellator | 20 |
| 21 | Brian Ebersole | 78 | UFC | 21 |
| 22 | Paul Daley | 77 | Ring Side | 26 |
| 23 | John Hathaway | 72 | UFC | 22 |
| 24 | Siyar Bahadurzada | 71 | Ultimate Glory | 27 |
| 25 | Douglas Lima | 70 | Bellator | 32 |
The first "relevant" welterweight bout of December will be at UFC 140 where #21 Brian Ebersole will take on unranked Claude Patrick.
UFC 141 promises better 170 lb action though, with #2 Jon Fitch meeting #17 Johny Hendricks and #27 Dong Hyun Kim facing unranked Sean Pierson.
Based on the premise that all MMA rankings are subjective but that it’s still useful and informative to know who the online MMA community as a whole ranks as the best fighters in MMA, we collect and average the rankings of the top MMA websites to produce our consensus rankings. We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings.
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Every time I see that piece of yellow by Diaz's name
I smile a bit. Thanks, Leland.
I never know what to think of Fight Matrix. Brennemen unranked and D Lima 12th? lolwut?
Also lol @ holland. #1 cheerleader on the T Wood team.
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Diaz is legit and i find it hilarious that he ranks him so low
I mean hate him all you want, and say that he won’t beat a wrestler blah blah blah, but diaz is the man, and leland is obv. fadin him…..haha
He rated anthony johnson above jake ellenberger…..just sayin…..
"I will beat you into a living death" – Ken Shamrock
It blows my mind that Ellenberger is ahead of Condit. Actually.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
In response to you and Kenya_MMA
Condit BEAT Ellenberger already. Until Ellenberger wins a championship or beats Condit, he should never be above him.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
so much
this
Always Remember, Don't Be A Sucker
by Our Bovine Public on Dec 2, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
that fight was really close if you don’t remember with the first round Condit being dominated by Ellanberger. Also Ellenberger took the fight on short notice and mostlikely wasn’t as prepared as he would have liked. Ellenberger deserves to be ahead of Condit no questions asked
Trust me. I remember.
Condit is a tenacious motherfucker, it was the same as his fight with MacDonald. Yeah, the first round Ellenberger won, I’m not sure if I remember it being a 10-8, it seems like a good 10-9 in my memory, and then Condit CLEARLY taking the other two rounds. Saying Ellenberger deserves to be ahead of Condit no questions asked is ridiculous, though.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
The 10-8 argument is tough for R1
Because I believe Condit finished the round having full mount and dropping punches. I don’t remember it clearly other than Berger absolutely crumpled him twice with punches and I initially scored it 10-8, but that was argument against it.
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by Dallas Winston on Dec 6, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that scenario cant present any problems
I’m curious how your scnario works in a
Kampmann > Condit > Ellenberger > Shields > Kampmann OR
Story > Alves > Koscheck > Johnson > Brenneman > Story OR
Hathaway > Sanchez > Kampmann > Condit > Ellenberger > Pyle > Hathaway OR
Shields > Condit > Ellenberger > Shields.
So, please tell me how you rank all these guys when they have victories over 1 another and havent avenged “the loss”.
I’m not going to go through all of these, because obviously that takes more time than I feel like spending on this. But I feel like rankings don’t matter whatsoever until one gets into title shot hierarchy. So, quite frankly, these don’t fucking matter because none of these guys are getting a shot soon except Ellenberger and Condit, so the only argument is over Condit and Ellenberger.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
So if Nick Diaz beats GSP, does that mean that Diego Sanchez or Joe Riggs are the true #1 welterweights in the world?
by VirtualBalboa on Dec 2, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my fuck.
You sure showed me. I’m talking in terms of relevant wins, not wins from six years ago. Condit beat Ellenberger to begin his streak, that’s why I feel it’s an appropriate argument.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
how the hell is ben askren in the top 15?!
keep him in his old spot until he takes out a name in some convincing fashion. barely beating jay heiron does not put you above rick story, brenneman, or even hendricks.
also
Hieron won/?
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by Our Bovine Public on Dec 2, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
Askren at #14 is crazy…especially coming off of as close of a fight against Hieron as it was…normally, going up THAT many spots in rank you have to
A – beat someone several spots above you
B – Look insanely awesome dominating someone right around your level
Askren did neither.
No happy seeing Daley back in the top 25. Siyar is a UFC fighter, and Lima doesn’t belong in the top 25.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
Yep
MMA rankings have always been broken on account of dudes in small promotions beating middle and low tier opposition. I personally find the performances themselves, the skills displayed during, and the strength of the schedule far more important than simple figures. Records, after all, speak for themselves.
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Diaz above Koscheck, really? Not trying to rip on Diaz but Kos has been fighting the best of the best for years, until recently Diaz has fought mostly turds and beating a non motivated BJ Penn doesn’t do a whole lot for me. Kos would take Diaz down and GNP him round after round.
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Theres so much wrong with this I don't even know what to say.
My opinion>Your onion.
by Tairy Hesticles on Dec 2, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
So now we are going to rank an absolute beating on Penn, and Nick’s ability to deliver it, based on how motivated Penn was for the fight. Please.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Dec 3, 2011 12:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Koscheck's record against top competition is actually quite poor
Plus he’s been extremely inactive. BJ recently drew with Fitch and was thus awarded a lofty spot for Diaz to assume with the win.
"Release man from the shackles of flesh and flesh misery and then he's no longer a poor, petty little man afraid to dream because he knows his frail body stands between him and the fulfillment of dreams, then he's ready to wage war, the only war worth waging-- the conflict of man reborn and the whole confounded universe!"
by Dallas Winston on Dec 6, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
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