Why The Complaints About UFC 138 Are Legitimate
by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 1:51 AM EST
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PrintSo much like I predicted in the Main Card comments, everyone is coming out of the woodwork and shouting from the rooftops about how entertaining the card was and how everyone should have just shut up. Keep your opinions to yourself until the card is over and then it is okay to pass judgement. Well, I will not be told to stop bitching up a storm! Here is why:
Better Options: As was mentioned before, Clay Guida v. Ben Henderson would have been an infinitely more exciting and relevant main event. Not only as a ME fight, but as the first 5 round non-title main event fight. I would saw my balls off with a wooden cooking spoon to see Ben and Clay do a five rounder headlining a Spike card. Instead we got Munoz v. Leben, which was a fight for 2nd in line in the Middleweight division and Clay v. Ben is buried on Facebook and on the screens of the 14 people who get FOX Latino or something. It is a completely bonkers decision I will never understand.
Seven Divisions: There are seven goddamn divisions in the UFC right now. SEVEN! The best they can come up with is Edward Falolololatolol on the main card of a numbered event.
England Deserves Better: Zuffa wants to expand and make the UFC a truly global brand. England is a market that has long been coveted by the UFC, so much that Dan Hardy doesn't get cut after losing 42 fights in a row. So much so that Dana White would give 5 years off the back end of his life to be able to give Michael Bisping a title shot. This has proven to be impossible due to the Michael Bisping Career Trajectory. They also gave the UK an entire team on TUF just to get more British fighters in the fold and give them some exposure. The British fans always sell out arenas when the UFC comes to town and the last headlining fight with any significance was BJ Penn vs. Joe Stevenson 58 numbered events ago. Since then it has been Diego Sanchez vs. Joe Stevenson, Chris Leben vs. Michael Bisping, Michael Bisping vs. Yoshihiro Akiyama and Chris Leben vs. Mark Munoz. If they really want to reward loyal fans, they would send them a goddamn amazing card to truly be excited over and not filler that can sell just because they are excited they are getting a night of fights.
In the end, yes, the card was entertaining. You know what else is entertaining? Storage Wars, watching people get hit in the nuts and viewing videos of people doing impossible sit-ups on YouTube. When the best you can offer one of the most loyal markets you have and your cable television audience is a co main fight between two guys no casual fan has ever heard of and a main event fight between two guys fighting for at best the #2 contender slot, you have really screwed the pooch.
Make better use of your immense talent pool. Make a star or two while you have our attention (although Renan Barao probably made the biggest splash Saturday night) and quit offering up appetizers as main courses. I want some goddamn steak and potatoes for dinner, not mozzerella sticks.
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Guida vs Henderson would’ve been a great main event I didn’t even think about that
I feel England got fucked because this was the last card on Spike just my opinion
by rscott94 on Nov 7, 2011 1:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
England has gotten fucked for the last four cards over there.
UFC 75 was Quinton Jackson v. Dan Henderson in an absolutely phenomenal fight.
UFC 80 was BJ and Joe Daddy’s Fire Hydrant Forehead
After that……doodoo.
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Paul Taylor vs. Marcus Davis was also an incredible fight
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
headliners
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 1:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Who buys tickets for Paul Taylor or Marcus Davis fights?
by VirtualBalboa on Nov 7, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
British people, obviously.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
by SSreporters on Nov 7, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
please tell me you are trolling. that fight provoked as many people to buy tickets that card as Tamdan McCrory vs Dustin Hazelett did for ufc 91
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 2:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am trolling.
But you have to wonder if Davis vs. Taylor as a main event of a UK card would actually sell out.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
England didn't get fucked,
Pickett got outstruck,
Faaloloto got trucked,
Leben had no luck,
British fans can be stuck up,
they should just buck up,
a tail between their legs firmly tucked,
this card didn’t suck.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 7, 2011 6:01 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I don't keep track of event prices
So I’m going off KJ here, but from what he said, they tried to sell this in the UK as a numbered event. You cannot argue at all that the fights for 138 had the relevance/competition of any other numbered event featured this year.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Okay,
so why should we care? The British fans already get to watch all the UFC’s (INCLUDING PPV’S) on ESPN. Am I supposed to feel slighted on behalf of them because the UFC didn’t sell tickets for this event at a rate more comparable to fight nights? The venue was also much bigger, and from the looks of things, the Brits didn’t mind. And they were treated to a night of great fights.
If you think something is overpriced, then don’t buy it. Especially if you can just watch it at home. And anyways, when you go to a live UFC it is more for the atmosphere and the experience… the brits are pretty nationalistic and they had plenty of their own guys to root for, and the matches all turned out to be great. So I ask you- where’s the beef? I just find it funny that NON BRITISH FANS are criticizing the quality of this card.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 7, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Once again, GSP ducked
(Or is it Jones now?)
"It's all in the reflexes" - Jack Burton
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 7, 2011 5:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"Just stay out of my way... or you'll pay! LISTEN to what I say!"
“Hey, why don’t I just go eat some hay, make things out of clay, lay by the bay? I just may! What’d ya say?”
...
:p - orcus
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by Chris Hall on Nov 7, 2011 2:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
thank you kind sir
I pissed off the wife because I just up and started writing this while we were watching The Office on the dvr. She is mad but Rocky’s applause makes it worth it.
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
Thought it fit this thread perfectly
And why did you wait til Sunday to watch The Office?
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Um, I dont know.....
I thought the episode was crappy so that didnt help matters
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly, it was a fun card to watch
But anyone acting like this wasn’t purposefully lackluster matchmaker has got to be fucking kidding me.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Tell me why I should care about casual fans?
And why should I care that Guida Bendo isn’t being shown on television?
Just be happy that you can watch the fight on facebook. Remember when there was no watching prelim fights at all?
You also make no mention of the HW title fight FOR FREE.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
by KMcCaig on Nov 7, 2011 3:07 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Because casual fans
Fill the pockets of the people that bring you the sport you love.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
1) More casual fans means more eyes on the product, more tickets get sold, more ppvs get sold, more merch gets sold, sponsorship prices go up, fighters are paid more and Dana gets more Ferraris.
2) Because it is an awesome fight for the #1 contendership in the LW division.
3) Yes, I remember.
4) This weekend’s Heavyweight title fight is on free tv. I didn’t mention it because it has absolutely nothing to do with UFC 138.
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm pretty sure
A casual fan won’t be able to pick guida or bendo out of a line up. They probably just want to watch two guys fight. And then when said fight turns into a ground war (read: guida grinding out bendo or vice versa) they are gonna think the fight was boring as hell.
As for #4, that’s my mistake.
You also make no mention of the fact Dana is trying to fuck Spike over and 138 is basically the result of that.
You didn’t hear me complaining when the main event of 115 (the first western canadian UFC event ever) was Franklin vs, Chuck (0 relevancy fight). I bought my fight club membership, packed up my bags and drove 5 hours to watch that show. UK should just be happy they are getting shows.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
Dana can fuck Spike all he wants (that sure reads weird out of context) but I don’t want to get fucked (by Dana).
I just wish they would leave a chance that if Guida and Bendo put on a fucking barnburner they could show that on the broadcast. I surely think everyone would rather see that than an extra however many minutes of recap of the one fight they did show.
UK fans are thrilled they are getting shows from the sounds of it. I just think that given the current roster these types of cards are inexcusable.
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Plus
I think Dana originally booked Guida/Bendo as something to show if JDS/Cain ends in the first round. Then FOX decided they only wanted to show one fight.
I’d bet that if JDS/Cain ends quickly, and the Guida/Bendo fight actually turns out good and ends fairly quickly, they might show it as well in a last second decision.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
unless Guida gets trucked. If that is the case, bury it forever.
/bias
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
How?
After the Bocek and Miller fights are you not a Bendo fan???
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I been a Henderson fan long time
but Clay just wins out over pretty much anyone for me.
I wouldnt know what to do if he fought Lesnar lol
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
His energy/craziness reminds me of a close friends from college
I’m a Carpenter fan for life.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I think
The most likely scenario, is that we get an event recap after the fight. Especially if it ends inside the first 3 rounds. They’re going to need relevant filler to complete the hour.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Maybe the UFC should have talked to Fox about what it was contractually that they actually signed? Or maybe they don’t actually care?
by VirtualBalboa on Nov 7, 2011 4:22 AM EST up reply actions
When has Bendo been LnP'd
And the idea that Guida is known for it or does so often is ridiculous.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Well
Considering it’s a “#1 contender” bout, I really wouldn’t be surprised if either man fought not to lose instead of pulling out all the stops going for the finish.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
I've never seen Guida not go all out (that includes the Pettis fight which is highly exaggerated)
And Benderson can keep a pace like no other. This fight will be awesome, I’ll sig bet that shit.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
To you and me (The hardcore fan)
The fight will be good no matter what.
I’m pretty sure every casual fan is not into ground wars. Which i’m pretty sure this will turn into.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
Mad scrambles and crazy striking is appealing to most everyone
And these guys can make that happen
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
i feel like if they go off
I am going to get motion sickness. especially with all the hair flying around
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
Watch Guida/Tyson to prepare yourself
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Watch Guida vs Nate Diaz and tell me that Guida was going all out
You can’t.
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
Prelim fights on facebook is one thing, the entire fucking card, except the ME on facebook is ridiculous. I could care less about the casual fan either, but I want the convenience of watching a five card fight on my TV, not 1 fight, and 10+ on my fucking computer.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't watch it then.
Or get a TV out video card. Personally my computer is hooked up to a 32’ lcd, it’s wonderful.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
mine too,
But I prefer to not here my Wife ask every three seconds, can I check Facebook?
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL
Keep your pimp hand strong! Look in the classified ads and buy her a cheap computer.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
gonna make me sound like a real man
The computer is her’s. So I’d be the one skimming the Classifieds for a cheap computer. I also need to scan for a job.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fuck that
You only got a few months of freedom
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
i know, enjoying life while i can.
But also have days before my wife gives birth. She provides everything, its quite ridiculous she is even with me. She buys everything from weed to power.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Congrats, homie
Just be a good housewife and clean the dishes and make her a sandwich
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
and make me one too
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
House is spotless, I’m a neat freak.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And the sandwich?????
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
i make dinner every night, by choice.
Usually cause I’m stoned. Italian Beef, and Home Run Inn Pizza tonight. Weird combo, but football was on all day, so yeah. Beer, football, weed, and food are all necessities for a sunday afternoon/evening.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You, sir, are an exemplary housewife
:p - orcus
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craigslist gives you lots of job opportunities
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I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
It's really not ridiculous
Since it’s a bonus event that’s not part of the FOX contract at all. But Leben/Munoz makes much more sense as the comain for that than a highly relevant LW bout.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
i agree
But it still doesn’t make much since trying to sell one fight to woo people. What if the ME is a bore? Then Dana is back to the drawing board.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"What if the fight is a bore?"
Cain v. JDS. Nuff said.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
by Chris Hall on Nov 7, 2011 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
look my expectations are high aswell
I’m ready to see Cain get trucked, but weirder shit has happened.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My only worry is Cain's shoulder coming back from injury
But still, I can’t name a bad JDS fight
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I really wish Cain wasnt coming off a 90% rotator cuff tear, I wish they were both healthy and not coming off major injuries
I have had two shoulder reconstructions (not one for that bad of an injury though) and rehab is brutal shit
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Nov 7, 2011 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But I had a convo on this a while ago and athletes can recover from injuries better than most people since its their job. Here’s hoping for him, but it still worries me going into this fight.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I know, I hate hearing about how he didn’t finish Roy or Shane. He decisively won both fights making each fighter look horrible. Idk how much the shoulder will effect the wrestling, I don’t see hime standing and trading in the first place. But who am I to say
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just rewatched JDS/Carwin a couple weeks ago
I’m amazed it didn’t get stopped in the first
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
It was closer than most people remember, I swear. It could have been stopped on cuts alone IMO
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
At one point Carwin was on one knee
Doing nothing but holding a hand up to block the punches to his face, for 5 FUCKING SECONDS!.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
call me crazy
But I’ve been considering taking Junior via Sub. I could see him hurting Cain and catching an arm or a choke.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Nov 7, 2011 3:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seems pretty risky
We’ve never seen him look to grapple someone in a bad position. On the other hand…Thiago Alves.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Well, he did sub Crocop......
"It's all in the reflexes" - Jack Burton
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 7, 2011 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can’t see Cain taking down JDS repeatedly and hitting him with small shots, a la the Kongo fight, for 25 minutes? Because I can.
by VirtualBalboa on Nov 7, 2011 4:25 AM EST up reply actions
JDS has shown very good TDD
And has never been held down. I know he’s never faced a wrestler of Cain’s caliber, but I still think he’ll have trouble holding him down.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
And I remember when there were a handful of PPVs a year. That doesn’t excuse the fact that UFC 138 wasn’t much more than a generally one sided main event that was exciting because the dude got beaten up really good.
The average casual fan can barely pick Dos Santos or Velasquez out of a lineup. That is why this fight is on Fox as the debut. You understand that, right? Because you make stars by giving them exposure. Facebook prelims are the opposite of that. Only people who know that the prelims are on will run into them and bother to watch.
by VirtualBalboa on Nov 7, 2011 4:21 AM EST up reply actions
You're really a debbie downer today
Turn that frown upside down!
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
here's a novel idea:
how about if people stop calling it UFC 138 and refer to it as UFC Fight Night. do you all feel better about who fought on the card now? geez.
you were given a free night of very good fights with a majority of them being finishes. you were under no obligation to watch said fights. free fights, i remind you again. yet people are still bitching about it? face the facts: your 10 favorite fighters can’t fight on every card and not every card is going to have highly relevant fights. i’m ok with it. i was entertained, for free.
Theybilled it as a numbered event
And charged as a numbered event. It is 138 and that’s an important factor in this conversation as welll.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
It cost the same as a numbered event?
Funny… I thought it was on my basic cable package and not PPV. As for the UK fans who saw the live event, I have zero sympathy. If you payed to go to the event ahead of time, then it will have been money well spent because it was a great night of fights and must’ve been really fun to be there.
If you stayed home and watched on TV, ON CABLE, you still have nothing to complain about- solid night of fights.
There is zero ground for anyone to complain about this… ESPECIALLY IN RETROSPECT. THE FIGHTS DELIVERED. IT WAS GOOD MATCHMAKING.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 7, 2011 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
I'm talking ticket sales when I said "charged"
They were fun fights, and I enjoyed watching them. However, what questions were answered? Is Munoz really any closer to a title shot now?
Where is Etim coming off his impressive win? Where does he stack up in the LW division?
Barao seems to have staked a claim in the BW division, but I’d bet he doesn’t see a shot at the title til afterat least one more fight.
We know now that Diabate can’t hold his own at LHW, but how does that reflect on Perosh?
The answer to most of these questions is “We still don’t know.”
Coming off a destructive win against a quality prospect, where is Alves in the WW division? These were entertaining fights, that answered very few questions for any of the fighters involved and that is a problem. As I said in another thread, I’ll be seriously surprised if we’re looking at these same issues in a year when these cards are being shown on FX.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
- Etim had a long layoff and needed a good comeback fight. That win will build his confidence, increase his fan base
- Barao is in a position where another impressive showing will launch him into contendership.
- Perosh/ Diabate was the least relevant fight on the main card, but it’s always fun to watch him work his striking game (1’st round) and to watch Perosh work his top game (2’nd round).
- Alves reasserted his status as a dangerous, well rounded striker who can only be controlled by the absolute ELITE of the division.
It just seems so disingenuous to complain about a card that delivered in retrospect.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 7, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Elite pressure fighter, yes.
We all know the extenuating circumstances behind the Brenneman loss.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 7, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
I beg to differ
I can complain about living on the West Coast and having it tape delayed from when it happened and getting it 3 hours later than those in the East.
I'm on the west coast, too,
and it’s certainly annoying. Hopefully FOX and FX show the fights live no matter what the time zone.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 9, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
A few things..
MDH is spot on here. “entertaining” doesn’t matter, we could be entertained by any number of things. the problem was also not big names missing from the card, some big names just need to go away and stop wasting airtime. The problem was a lack of relevancy you expect from a full UFC card.
Did the Brits get ripped? Maybe. Brazil is getting star studded cards, but Brazil produces star fighters to put on those cards. Britains guys have been coddled by the UFC (Hardy), but the fans are excellent. They absolutely should have been rewarded with a Guida/Bendo fight. Let’s not act like those fans don’t watch the other UFC cards and compare them to the ones they get. If Zuffa is serious about regular fights in the UK, then they need to step it up.
Casual fans, should you care? Absolutely. They probably pour in more money than we do, providing us with better fights. They may be tomorrow’s hardcore fan and just because they are casual fans, does not always mean they are ignorant or don’t know who the top guys are.
Let’s face it, this was a mid level fight night card at best. But accepting it because it is free does not mean we can’t criticize it. We pay a ton of $$$ every year to this company and then they reward us with the occasional free content, but it is a pale version of the “real thing”.
Now, the Fox card. Since it was announced, it has been a one fight show. Yes, it sucks for Guida the Hair Puncher and Bendo, but it is a one time thing. I don’t like it, but let’s see what the future brings us on Fox. If it is sacrificing fights and tons of content on Fuel, then they will lose a ton of my support until it is better. If it is awesome, then great. The difference between the two cards, is that the UFC is kind of developing a pattern with “lackluster” UK cards.
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by BJJDenver on Nov 7, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
A lot of the idiots who tell you not to bitch about a card because it's free
Have no sense of how the big picture works.
Guida vs. Henderson on Facebook is accessible to us folks on Bloody Elbow and other big MMA sites. Casual fans don’t know crap about this happening so if by some chance this ends up being a fight for the ages and doesn’t get aired on TV, you will AGAIN be looking at another miserably sold LW title fight on PPV.
Big picture, guys. Big picture.
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by SSreporters on Nov 7, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Why should we care how it's sold, though?
That’s Zuffa’s concern. As long as I can watch good fights- ESPECIALLY FREE ONES- I’m absolutely content.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 7, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but that's you
And me, and the thousands who are on the SBN network of MMA sites and then Fightlinker, Cage Potato, etc.
We are the minority of MMA fan. I’m content with free fights like Guida vs. Henderson. I’m not content with the fact that it’s isolated to a small section of the fanbase when fights like these should be reaching as many households as possible….not Edward Falalalalalaloto.
Zuffa’s decisions in handling the lighter weight classes and these types of UK shows filled with marginal British talent is a big part of the reason why they are struggling to promote stars.
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I think the PPV model is largely to blame
The best you can hope for on PPV is around 1 million buys… which even the shittiest UFN cards surpass just on Spike. Now that they’re on FOX, they have so much more outreach, the fighters will have a much bigger platform to make a name for themselves.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 7, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
UFC doesn’t take its TV events seriously at all. I am not sure how or why the UK cards are booked they way they are. I have no interest in seeing any of them and only catch the highlights/ FOTN the next day.
UFC usually sells their events based off the top three matches. There are occasions like with 131 (before Lesnar pulled out) and with the upcoming 141 that the main event IS the draw and the rest of the card can remain lackluster due to who is on top. UFC should keep this strategy going into The UK. The Cowboy and Siver’s match should have been on 137 and if not, should have been pushed back until the UK show. Henderson/Guida is going to be a good fight and I am pissed that I am going to have to dig for it or make special arrangements when that could/should have been on Fox and if not…could/should have been on the UK card.
When two interesting match ups like that and tossing in a match like Leban/Munoz it makes for a more solid and well rounded card. Dana and the boys, however know that these new markets are starved for UFC and because of that they will pay money for pretty much anything.
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I agree with this. It is fun to see cards like this go down, but the relevance initially is what determines your hype and excitement for the card. Sure, this card was very entertaining and got me excited with each fight. But I went in with zero expectation.
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BU..BU..BUT IT WAS FREE!
Apparently that’s all the reason you need to be excited. That’s why we are always talking about MFC and Titan.
Hahaha. I get excited for free cards, certainly. But if Dana F’n White is always about giving the fans what they want, could we ask for a decent free card? I loved the fact that Pickett was main card, but co-main event? No.
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by mountaineers101 on Nov 7, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Just trying (badly) to make the point that relevancy makes a card more compelling than just the possibility of exciting bouts.
Exactly my point. It is easy to say you weren’t disappointed by something when you have zero expectation for it. But a card like 116 had ridiculous expectations and hype and it delivered.
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by mountaineers101 on Nov 7, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve definetly pointed out some card mismanagement. With the likelyhood of Bendo/Guida not seeing the light of TV it would have been better for all concerned to have had that on saturday’s show. Obviously, they didn’t give a shit about the spike ratings but it would have been nice for us fans to have that fight on the DVR. I’m sure they’ll understand the importance of getting that fight out for the fans to see on TV somehow.
Cain Velasquez is an awesome dude and a true champ but it’s Junior’s time right now. I’m calling it first. 5th round TKO in a HW contest for the ages.
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by Hardy's in your face on Nov 7, 2011 8:23 PM EST reply actions
you have to admit
it is amusing though – we all bitch about a card, many of us give it a pass, and then bam! not one fight goes to decision.
still no excuse for screwing around like this, but you get the point.
also
the reason bendo v. guida is on fox is just in case, god forbid, JDS gets into a car accident driving to the stadium, they don’t cancel the whole event. it’s too bad for them but they needed at least one kickass co main to go with just in case.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 8, 2011 12:22 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Not being from the U.K, it’s hard for me to sympathize for those fans and say that “England deserves better.” They do deserve better, but I don’t see how that should affect one’s potential entertainment and enjoyment from these fights especially if you are not from the U.K.
Also, using the that other things like Storage Wars are entertaining is really diluting the point by grossly downplaying the event and the fact that it was entertaining. The purpose of that second-to-last paragraph was to only downplay the event, not make any real point.
The biggest point that I think that this article has is that the UFC should make better use of their talent pool. I personally thought that Cruz vs Johnson should have been on this card and Leben vs Munoz should have been on UFC on Versus. In that way, there would at least have had a Title fight on a U.K. card that was a UFC-numbered event. Moving Guida vs Henderson is another good option as well.
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