Rashad Evans vs. Phil Davis Expected To Headline UFC on Fox 2
by Josh Nason on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 AM EST
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Originally scheduled for August but scrapped due to injury, Rashad Evans is once again set to face Phil Davis and the event will be January 28th's UFC on Fox 2 in Chicago, IL, according to ESPN.com's Brent Okamoto.
Evans (16-1-1) has famously been chasing a title shot for most of 2010 and 2011, but due to various injuries and delays, Evans has yet to cash on the opportunity he earned by beating Quinton Jackson in March 2010.
He returned to action in August against Davis injury replacement Tito Ortiz and defeated the former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion by second round TKO. He was again slotted to face current champion Jon Jones, but a hand injury took Evans out of the top contender running and the opportunity was given to Lyoto Machida on December 10th.
The 27-year-old Davis (9-0) is undefeated in his three-year career and is 5-0 in the UFC with wins over Brian Stann, Alexander Gustafsson, Rodney Wallace, Tim Boetsch and most recently, a March decision win over Antonio Rogerio Nogueira.
Evans and Davis were set to battle at UFC 133 but Davis had to withdraw due to knee injury. Neither the UFC, Davis or Evans has confirmed via social media at the time of this writing.
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Ehh
I was feeling this fight the first time it was announced but now it just doesn’t seem to have as much hype. I hope Davis wins but Rashad will most likely take it
by rscott94 on Nov 30, 2011 1:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I didn't like this matchup at 133 and I still don't like it now.
I think Phil still need time to grow and all the UFC is doing here is feeling him a the #2 LHW in the world. This is way to quick for Davis.
This is the best fight Jon Jones could hope for.
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by pdl on Nov 30, 2011 1:20 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Because either way one of his biggest threats is eliminated from immediate contention?
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
That
And he gets to see both guys fight an athletic wrestler.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
And he gets to see both guys fight an athletic explosive wrestler
by TheCode on Nov 30, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
But its true this time
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Like that really matters
Because Jon Jones is “thrice-greatest” – the greatest there is now, the greatest there ever has been up to this point, and the greatest there ever will be.
Jones will hold this belt for double-digit years – and given his penchant for quick turnarounds, that could mean 50 wins in a row.
I feel the same now as I did for 133
Too much too soon for Davis
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Probably right
I think fighting a guy that is quite similar in skill set, just better in most every aspect, is not the recipe for a win.
by MeatballHero on Nov 30, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
it is a recipe for him to get a taste of the next level of competition and where he needs to be.
Plus he is early enough in his career where losing to Rashad wont end his run. I think it will be OK.
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously it won't end his career, but it'll send him to the back of the LHW line.
Some of the best fighters learn from big losses though.
by MeatballHero on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
This early in his career and on his first run, a loss to Rashad wouldn’t have a huge impact on his trajectory at all.
I'm not as drunk as pdl
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KEMvP
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by T.C. Engel on Nov 30, 2011 1:27 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
How about Hendo vs. Rashad if Rashad does beat Davis?
With this stipulation:
Winner gets the next title shot.
Loser must move down to 185.
I'm stoked
"Well, whatever you do, however terrible, however hurtful, it all makes sense, doesn't it, in your head. You never meet anybody that thinks they're a bad person."
by JJB73 on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I should of waited to use this gif for this matchup!
by morganc on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
used appropriately, i can’t help but rec the fuck out of this.
mahalo.
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- Jaron Namir
by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 30, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I anxiously await psychoblack's input on this topic.
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
All I know is
It is going to be awesome.
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
Too soon for Davis. Coming off an injury to fight someone as fast as Evans is a mistake. Eventhough Davis does have some suffocating top control I’m not sure he can handle someone as well rounded as Hashad.
Evans wants to fight and the UFC wants to build on the eventual Jones vs Evans grudge match. I’m sure they’re hoping Evans beats the Shit out of Davis on national TV.
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by ProfessorBLove on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m losing belief that the UFC wants anything to do with Jones/Evans: Grudge Match from Jackson’s
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
It really seems that way sometimes
Or a Jones loving conspiracy or something.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
This is the second time we're seeing the two fight a month apart
When they were supposed to be fighting each other. There’s absolutely no reason for that if the UFC had any intention of making this fight happen.
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Seriously
Rashad seems to have accepted his fate though.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Yeah
At least he’s not making the same mistake twice
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Sad we have to have this discussion
Who at 205 his a better case for a title shot?
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I love Davis, but
he is out of his depth here. Would rather see Rashad/Hendo personally, although I imagine that the UFC wants to get as many viable contenders on separate tracks for Jones as they can.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Nov 30, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well, Condit vs StPierre got scrapped.
it must be a conspiracy!
"Men like us... we never get back the things we love."
- Jaron Namir
by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they fear ...
… something like a repeat of what happened with Babalu and David Heath at UFC 74?
hmmm. I dunno, they’re both coming off injuries and Davis is more of a clinch/ground fighter any ways. Even if Evans is faster, I still bet he’s going to be tentative with his punches because of his hand subconsciously.
It might be to early for Davis, but this is the best path for him to the belt without having to grind through the ranks. If he loses, well he’ll THEN just have to grind through the ranks.
by squaresphere on Nov 30, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
COBRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Best lats in mma. Period.
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by ANance on Nov 30, 2011 1:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Best lats and worst traps at the same time
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 30, 2011 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
yes.
his name was dorian yates. not a fighter, but still….
This
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Dec 1, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Rogan's like
Holy Shit, I need to hit the gym after this!
My opinion>Your onion.
by Tairy Hesticles on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Steroid debate?
Who want’s to be first?
"A belt only covers two inches of your ****and the rest you need to back up on your own." Royce Gracie (allegedly...I just read it somewhere and thought it was cool for my sig!)
Who cares?
It was not meant as trolling, it was meant as a sarcastic remark. If people look at Overeem and post horse-gifs till they fall over, then this pic should have you think along the same lines, IMO.
If anybody wants to ban me for that, I don’t care. It would be ridiculous and therefore irrelevant to me. A new account is quick work.
"A belt only covers two inches of your ****and the rest you need to back up on your own." Royce Gracie (allegedly...I just read it somewhere and thought it was cool for my sig!)
No reason to suspect that here...
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Nov 30, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
preferably someone that can use an apostrophe correctly.
"Men like us... we never get back the things we love."
- Jaron Namir
by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 30, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't Rashad kind of a risky guy to put on something like UFC on Fox?
On top of that the last time Phil Davis headlined a card he didn’t exactly show out. I like both fighters, but this seems like an odd decision.
I don’t think so, Rashad is a top level fighter who never had a lot of fandom and has only had one fight in like 15 months. The want to give him exposure, I think it’s a smart move. Whoever wins gets the fox level exposure.
Probably trying to make the LH the premiere weight class again.
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
Both of them will be great for all the Fox PR too.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
very true.
two accomplished athletes and all around nice guys with a great public image.
i don’t think Davis is ready for Rashad, but this is a great matchup from a PR perspective.
"Men like us... we never get back the things we love."
- Jaron Namir
by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 30, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Rashad can do something about his "fandom"
And that “something” is to move down to 185, where he would finish fights far more often.
Hey, Rashad could even make 170, as he and Josh Koscheck both wrestled at 174 when they were seniors in college.
Imagine Rashad at 170, throwing it down like Scott Smith.
That would solve his “fandom” problem right enough.
I hate to be that guy
but a big part of this is demographics
Head conductor of the Charles Oliveira hype train.
Demographics? Explain!
Maybe they think a lot of older viewers will tune in?
You’d have to be at least 50 years old or thereabouts not to find Rashad’s fighting style to be insufferably boring!
I’m 53 BTW; maybe that’s why the way Rashad fights doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
i wish
wish the “UFC on Fox 2” was in Nashville. We just get a “UFC on FX 1” show …. it is what it is
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this one goes to 11.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 30, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Call me crazy but pinning these two wrasslers against each other on Fox just doesn’t seem smart. I’d rather it be Sonnen and Munoz.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Nov 30, 2011 1:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That... that's a joke right?
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
UFC fans are quite fickle lol
I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.
Yeah
He’s got a point though. Who wants to see two wrestlers fight when we can have Sonnen/Munoz?
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
by TheFilt on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Totally agree
Two wrestlers have never amounted to anything. Now Sonnen – Munoz on the other hand. Can you say fireworks? Cause if you can’t, Goldie will say it for you, no problem.
"A belt only covers two inches of your ****and the rest you need to back up on your own." Royce Gracie (allegedly...I just read it somewhere and thought it was cool for my sig!)
A bad one obviously…
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by ANance on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont like this fight
After seeing his wrestling against Lil Nog, I gotta think Rashad 2.0 completely out classes Davis.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Davis still ended up taking Lil Nog down easily
once he stopped going for the double and went for the single.
Lil’ Nog’s wrestling<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Rashad’s wrestling.
Rashad strength and speed is looking insane right now. He looked so on point and focused. Its almost frightening.
A fighter that sharp is too much for any guy with 9 fights.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I’m not disagreeing, but what makes you say Rashad’s strength and speed is looking insane right now? The tito fight?
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
Tito is a strong LHW and Rashad controlled him like he was a MW.
His speed and overall movement looked faster and smoother than he ever has.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
So then just based off the Tito fight then. That’s fine, I’m inclined to believe he’s faster and stronger than ever, but it’s a faith thing for me I guess… irrational.
A fight against Tito isn’t enough for me to think of it as a defensible position, I thought you had seen intense training video or something…
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
Watch the Rampage/Rashad and Rashad/Tito fights back to back
He looks much different.
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
You get what I'm saying
You can watch his older fights and its plain to see the difference in his body and how he moves.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Without a doubt, previously he always looked a little soft for a LHW, but against Tito he looked like a damn beast.
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Hate to say it
But my first thought: TRT.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Could be
You know more about it than i do. But he seems to have solidified what he already had, more than put on bulk if that makes sense. I don’t know a damn thing about TRT to know if that’s an indicator of anything tho.
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Well
I just said that half-heartedly, but he does seem to have more pep in his step and a lot more muscle so you never know.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
with his long layoff and a lot of cardio, you don’t need TRT.
even less so when he’s been training with a new team that has a higher focus on conditioning and standup.
"Men like us... we never get back the things we love."
- Jaron Namir
by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 30, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
The guy who only lost to Machida (which most agree is a styles make fights situation) looked soft, then he fights an over the hill replacement of a replacement and that’s a good enough comparison for you guys?
I agree he looked great, but it was one fight against Tito.
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
You can watch him train
and in no way does Tito look any worse today than he did against Rashad the first time.
The guy hasn’t really been beaten bad at all by anyone but Rashad since Chuck.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
I’m not talking at all about his performances in any fights. Rashad has always looked soft coming into the Octagon, I didn’t think that was disputable. And he definitely looked much more solid coming in against Tito.
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
by Chris Hall on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
It was like Will Smith in “I Robot” when you go like: “When did he get so buffed up?”.
"A belt only covers two inches of your ****and the rest you need to back up on your own." Royce Gracie (allegedly...I just read it somewhere and thought it was cool for my sig!)
Yeah but one is against tito who if he didn’t catch Bader would have been cut, and the second was against a guy he really didn’t want to make a mistake against.
He absolutely looked much different no argument there.
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
That sounds like some serious downplaying
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Tito probably would have been coerced to retire with that loss
But you’re giving him less than his due here. Try to remember the last person to embarrass Tito like Rashad did. It was Chuck Liddell when he was still the Iceman. And Tito faced legit competition throughout his final fights, with the lone outlier of Matt Hamill, who’s by no means a bad fighter.
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I’m not giving less than his due, I said I’m inclined to believe it… but a fight against Tito isn’t enough for me to say it’s sufficient evidence.
It’s relegated to a feeling for me.He could have been just really excited to be in the octagon again.
http://fistonchin.com http://brightlightssports.com
No ankle wraps either
Rashad had been wearing them from the Chuck Liddell fight onward – but not against Tito (at UFC 133).
There's that too
You can clearly see how much bigger and stronger he is than he was 2 years ago. Even compared to last year, he looks much bigger and more cut.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
agreed
Exactly. Rashad’s body looked rock-hard for pretty much the first time EVER in the Octagon. Much like the evolution of GSP’s build, you can see the marked difference as he’s putting his diet and nutrition (and, as you mentioned above, perhaps his other medicinal/“herbal” remedies) together with his training regimen. He looks like he’s not carrying any unnecessary bodyfat into the fight, and it shows in his performances as well. Rashad seems to be putting it all together and reaching his prime.
I now have a signature statement. Behold!
But what about Rashad's camp in Florida?
Other than Rashad their combined record is 4-8 – and worse yet, they have had four fighters who have had to pull out fights with injuries (Danillo and Yuri Villefort, Guto Inocente, and Anthony Johnson from the fight that ultimately became Charlie Brenneman’s win over Rick Story), which if you really think about it is even worse than losing because it meant that the fighters in question didn’t get paid at all.
Seems to me that when Rashad left Jackson’s it was the MMA equivalent of an NFL player leaving the New England Patriots to sign with the Cleveland Browns.
He actually looked like a true 205er for the first time against Tito
Wasn’t nearly as soft and seemed much more aggressive
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
But let's see how Tito does against Lil Nog
Personally I’m leaning toward Tito in that fight – but if Tito loses it definitely takes some luster off Rashad’s win, and could even conceivably convince Dana White to give Hendo and not Rashad the next title shot even if Rashad does beat Phil Davis.
Davis is not
explosive enough in his takedown attempts to take Rashad down without having elite set up skills – something that the ever-improving Davis has not yet shown.
Hard to see him taking Rashad down, much less winning.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid." -John Wayne
Death before dishonor, drinks before lunch.
Never send sheep to kill a wolf.
by The American Ronin on Nov 30, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
But what about Davis' standup?
With a pretty significant size and reach advantage, and Rashad’s, to put it politely, questionable chin?
And with this in mind, I’m sure that Davis has been getting in a lot of work on his standup.
Davis by KO?
Stranger things have happened … lots of them in fact.
I'm inclined to agree
But a lot of people discount how successful Phil was in round 2 and 3 after adjusting from round 1.
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Rashad looks like a different caliber of fighter
than even he did last year.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
Fighting Tito Ortiz will do that.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Didn't do it for Bader
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
by TheFilt on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody since Chuck and Lyoto has looked that good against Tito
I'm not as drunk as pdl
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Exactly
Forrest had close fight with him, two fights removed from his title.
"I'm ready for fight. If I'm win, no win. I don't know. But, I'm ready for fight. This is my working[shrugs shoulders]" - Anderson Silva
"You'll get Lil Wayne in woman pants and like it!" - Krimson
He stopped Tito with strikes, which in the modern era has only been done by one other guy.
by discoandherpes on Nov 30, 2011 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
He no doubt struggled in round 1
But he made some adjustments and dominated. Plus it was hie biggest fight to date. Going for Mr. Wonderful.
by The Art Of War on Nov 30, 2011 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
all he had to do was switch his takedown
as soon as he switched to single legs it was no problem
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Nov 30, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
This is almost as bad as Eddie Wineland Vs. Mighty Mouse
The only difference is Phil Davis is somewhat of a Prodigy up and comer, and is about to lose his chance at title contention, and EW was on a losing streak.
My opinion>Your onion.
by Tairy Hesticles on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 AM EST reply actions
A tune-up against Bader or Bonnar would have been nice
But I’m not about to cry about two top-10 dudes going at it. I don’t understand how this is just immediately a bridge too far for Davis. If this hits rounds four and five, I could totally see Rashad slowing down and getting outworked.
50% more Ultimate than the leading competitor.
Fixed.
If this hits rounds four and five, I could totally see Rashad slowing down and getting outworked. using the muscle memory of having gone the distance, and knocking Phil Davis out of title contention.
My opinion>Your onion.
by Tairy Hesticles on Nov 30, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
My bad, I had Rashad Evans confused with a guy who started losing to Thiago Silva after 10 minutes.
I don’t think he’s gonna go in there and get his ass handed to him or anything, but acting like Davis is some hapless chump and Rashad is an unstoppable killer is a bit much. The only person he’s looked good against in a long time is Tito Ortiz on short notice, and that doesn’t tell me all that much. I see this fight as being competitive and appropriate for both guys, and a big win for whoever gets it.
50% more Ultimate than the leading competitor.
Rashad-Thiago should have been a draw
Because Thiago should have been awarded the 3rd round 10-8.
He certainly dominated the 3rd round twice as much as Rashad dominated Rounds 1 and 2.
Indeed, if that fight had been up in Canada in the MFC it would have been scored a draw because Thiago would have won the 3rd round by 10-9 while Rashad won Rounds 1 and 2 by 10-9.5.
I wish they didnt make these two fight now
Oh well, I have it as a pick em fight
by The Art Of War on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I like rashad to win, but I don’t expect this, ‘ol Chuck’s chin was way gone by this time, we just hadn’t admitted it yet…
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There was nothing to admit
He’d only been KOed by Rampage at that point. Rashad KOed Chuck before it was cool.
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by Chris Hall on Nov 30, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know, like I said before we really knew his chin was gone. Although the comment below me is right too, that shot would have ko’d almost anyone…
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If he'd only been KO'd once
how could his chin be shot?
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A fighter’s chin is in theory gone before everyone knows it. When we look back we go, oh shit he’s been ko’d multiple times… Of course like was already stated that would have ko’d most people
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Not the second time ever
Especially when the first man was Rampage and the second was Rashad with a huge shot.
But its semantics either way.
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RAMPAGE KO'd Chuck before it was cool
Chuck got KO’d by Rampage, dropped by Jardine, and dropped by Silva…his chin was gone.
Being the first of 3 guys in a row to knock someone out at the end of their career is not ‘doing it before it’s cool’
He was the first person to do it when it became cool…or you could even say he made it cool.
But Rampage sure as hell did it before it was cool.
I know, arguing about this relative to a joke…but still, Chuck’s chin was not what it had been going into that fight. Rampage destroyed it and he never really bounced back.
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by Chris Groves on Nov 30, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
that fight had nothing to do with his chin. That shot would have Ko’ed anyone.
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Nov 30, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly i hate when someone says ohhh he dosent have a chin anymore well why dont you describe that thing below your mouth
by youfailme91 on Nov 30, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
The above gif doesn't really do it justice... it was just absolutely brutal.
by Machiel Van on Nov 30, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that overhand right says ‘FUCK YOUR HOPES AND DREAMS!!!’
tall order for Davis.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 30, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, really?
Aren’t both of the fights going to be televised?
And even though I don’t particularly like Sonnen personally, I actually hope he beats Mark Munoz, then Anderson Silva – for in that case, the MW division will turn into Grand Central Station with all the WWs moving up and the LHWs moving down, albeit fewer of the latter as over the past 4 years no fewer than 17 current or former UFC LHWs have moved down to MW; betcha didn’t know that!
If Rashad moves down to 185 – and he’d be a blithering idiot not to if Anderson Silva does get dethroned – I see him holding the MW belt within a year.
Way to soon sadly enough
Phil Davis is a beast, but Rashad Evans is both beast plus experienced
It is going to be decidedly one sided
I'm guessing that Dan Henderson gets the winner of Machida vs Jones
After that, the winner of this will probably get the next Title shot. With the backstory of Jones vs Evans, I thought that the UFC would put together Jones vs Evans on PPV as soon as possible, and it just seems like that fight keeps getting delayed.
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This fight will take place a bit more than a month after Machida vs. Jones
No reason whatsoever to insert Hendo in there instead of giving the winner of Rashad vs. Davis a shot right away. Actually, if Rashad wins this and Hendo still leapfrogs him, I’m calling shenanigans. The UFC is running out of excuses fast putting Rashad and Jones in a cage together.
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I thought they were going to pair up Rashad and Hendo.
by discoandherpes on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 AM EST up reply actions
With Jones on the sidelines?
Makes no sense, unless he gets hurt.
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It'll be Rashad vs Jones, unless Rashad loses
then it will be Hendo vs Jones. They’re just covering all their bases.
by Machiel Van on Nov 30, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
They still can pair them off
Remember that Hendo (and Shogun) was handed a six-month medical suspension, which won’t end until May 19th – just before the Memorial Day weekend, when Hendo vs. Rashad could easily be booked.
Andy?
Maybe Hendo can fight Andy Reid – after the Eagles can his fat ass, as they damn well should!
The two things I want to see desperately in 2012 is Bill Cowher coaching the Eagles – of whom I’ve been a fan for 40 years – and Rashad fighting at 185 where he belongs.
And if that means rooting against both of them in the near term, then so be it.
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by Not Hauser on Nov 30, 2011 3:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
God damn fat fingers!!!
Hendo is dropping to 85 and getting Andy in Brazil in June. Mark my words. I can see it in Dana’s eyes.
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by Not Hauser on Nov 30, 2011 3:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hendo's 41
He shouldn’t be cutting that much weight. Even in the shogun fight he was gassed badly, a weight could couldreally be damaging methinks.
While I agree he shouldn't fight at middleweight,
he gassed bad because he went all-out trying to finish the fight in the third, and was throwing a lot of heavy leather for the majority of the first three rounds.
by Machiel Van on Nov 30, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
But what about Randy?
Didn’t he go down from HW to 205 when he was even older than Hendo is now?
And just how big is Hendo? The UFC site and Sherdog have him at 6’1", but the UG and, most significantly, the bio on Hendo’s own web site, have him at 5’11".
With the sort of turnaround times Jones has shown, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Hendo gets an immediate title shot announced after (and if) Jones beats Machida.
Winner of this fight likely gets next shot.
And then who???
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by The American Ronin on Nov 30, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
It depends HOW Rashad beats Davis (if he does)
If he LnP’s Davis and wins by decision, Hendo will probably get the next title shot.
But if it’s anything like Rashad’s win over Tito, then Rashad probably gets it.
How Tito does against Lil Nog could also fit into the equation: If Tito loses, it strengthens Hendo’s case.
I read somewhere ...
… there might be a UFC event planned for Louisville, KY on Derby Day, which is May 5, 2012.
And that would be really be interesting, because on the day Jones won the title – March 19, 2011 – there was a full moon at the same time the moon is closest to the earth in its orbit; if you live in a coastal area, this can be scary because this configuration produces extremely high tides, as does a new moon when closest to the earth (the point being that if a storm comes onshore at that time it can cause severe damage).
There will also be a full moon closest to the earth on May 5, 2012!
In with the tide – out with the tide?
I don't want to sound racist
but surely they need to get some up and coming clean cut white boy on Fox to really appeal to middle America.I mean they’ve gone from Mexico Vs. Brazil to Black on Black. That’s admirable in a way, but surely they’d be better served by getting GSP on there ASAP.
I think just the opposite.
This is a good idea to try and draw in a more diverse audience, which has to be a growth goal right now. MMA still hasn’t grown with minority audiences in the US the way it has with white audiences. The Fox shows are for growing the business so this as good a place as any to try to capture that market share.
by Steve W on Nov 30, 2011 7:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I know I'm going to get shit for this but
That’s because a lot of Black and Hispanic people view grappling as gay, and have a stronger anti-homosexual bias in their culture.
I would know. I just tell douchey family members I box so I can avoid the whole discussion.
by discoandherpes on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
that’s not racist, unfortunately it’s very true.
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by Victor Rodriguez on Nov 30, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe that's why ...
… these groups are more likely to support MMA fighters of the same background if they’re predominantly strikers?
Maybe, but it’s kinda hard to appreciate grappling until you’ve been ragdolled and made a bitch by a blue belt.
by discoandherpes on Dec 2, 2011 3:41 AM EST up reply actions
Don't think race matters much here
They just need exciting fights, and this should be one, at least while it lasts.
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by The American Ronin on Nov 30, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
But in Rashad's case ...
… his size – or more accurately, his lack of same – has always been his dominant narrative, not his race.
Rashad might actually be better off if he loses to Davis, for two reasons:
First, it means he won’t fight Jones, who would not only utterly destroy him (it would almost certainly go the way the Anderson Silva-Forrest Griffin fight did), but Rashad would never get over it afterwards, just like Jens Pulver never got over losing to BJ, Ken Shamrock never got over losing to Tito, I could go on and on.
And second, Rashad would very likely go down to 185 if he loses to Davis – and would definitely do so if Anderson Silva does lose the MW belt, presumably to Chael Sonnen.
But Rashad is a special case
Remember when Rashad was on TUF? Everybody talked about how much smaller he was not only than all of the other HWs, but smaller – or at least shorter, anyway – than half of the WWs!
That marked Rashad forever as “the little man” – not “the black man;” and remember that in the first two seasons of TUF the fighters who lost their fights left the scene and went into that “other house” for the rest of the show – and there was only one other black fighter on TUF 2: Melvin Guillard, and he lost his fight early on.
So Rashad was the only black fighter in the house for the vast majority of the season – and people still hardly even noticed that.
That's sounds like a good explanation
I just would have thought Fox would’ve had more sway over choosing the fights. But, I suppose if that was the case Fox 1 would have have Lesnar vs Ubereem and Fox 2 GSP vs Diaz. So you’re probably right, from UFC’s point of view, these match-ups make perfect sense
Lol thankfully we’re not dealing with Showtime/CBS anymore.
by Machiel Van on Nov 30, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
quit bitching...
It’s two high level Light Heavyweights on free television…I really dont understand what so many people are whining about…
by Chris WhiteDynamite Bielanski on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 AM EST reply actions
I think Rashad destroys Davis
Phil is talented but doesn’t have enough tools to win on the feet against fighters like Rashad and Jon Jones who he won’t be able to take down. His shots against Lil Nog we’re telegraphed and ugly, many of which were stuffed. Now try those on Rashad’s stalky frame, or while on the outside of Jon Jones reach.
Davis is an intriguing fighter but is more good, than excellent right now, similar to Bader when he faced Jones. Rashad, Lyoto, Jon Jones, Rampage are elite.
For some reason I have a hard time getting excited for this match-up, same last time it was booked. Probably because Rashad should really be fighting Jones. Also, I like Davis but his last fight against Lil Nog really didn’t impress me. He’s a good fighter but he’s not that exciting most of the time.
After he switched to single legs he could take down lil nog at will.
The most disappointing part was that he could not break free from Nogueira’s grip during the whole fight.
Nog has gorilla grip though.
He doesn’t look it, but he is a deceptively strong 205er.
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by MicahtheCynic on Nov 30, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
damn fight to main event a huge show
Obviously they are both great fighters… but we all know that Rashad isn’t always the most entertaining fighter….and especially if his title shot is on the line?
Im thinking we are going to see a really boring decision.
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by Fedorable on Nov 30, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe Dana needs to preface it with something along the lines of
“If you win and its an exciting fight, you got next.”
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by The American Ronin on Nov 30, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a big Mr. Wonderful fan,
but this is too much, too soon for him. Rashad and Jones are the two worst match-ups for him at LHW imo…
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by The American Ronin on Dec 1, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Bye bye Undefeated Record
I hope evans does us all a favor
and gets rid of this undefeated non-contender
ala Henderson vs Miller & Guida
davis has built up some PR with narrow lackluster wins
and is just wiaiting for his bubble to be popped
and Evans has all the skills to do it
Why is Phil Davis a "non-contender"?
Just look at the “contenders” -
Rashad is barely big enough to even be a middleweight, Hendo is 41 years old, in 10 days Machida will have lost 3 of his last 4 (with his lone win over the now-retired Randy Couture), Shogun has lost 2 of his last 3, Rampage has lost 2 of his last 4 (and one of his wins was by decision over the now-retired Matt Hamill), and Forrest has lost 3 of his last 5.
I can very easily see Phil Davis becoming to the LHWs for a long time what Jon Fitch has been to the WWs for a long time – an untouchable runner-up behind an untouchable champion.
So why are people writing off Phil Davis?
Back when this fight was supposed to happen, the lines were almost even. That was when Rashad was coming off a pretty dominant win over Rampage. Now everyone’s writing Davis off…
Rashad beating up Tito is a lot less impressive than beating up Rampage Bear in mind Tito took him down again, and almost choked him out, too.
I like Davis for the upset…
It should be interesting to see ...
… what the oddsmakers in fact do with this matchup.
But Rashad is better off now than he would have been had he and Davis fought on August 6th, for two reasons:
First, it will be Davis with the ring-rust issues this time around and second, Davis would have had a lopsided home-crowd advantage on Aug. 6 because it would have been in Philadelphia (Davis having wrestled at Penn State).
Davis, however, has probably had time to work on his stand-up, which will likely be more developed than it would have been in August; and with Davis holding a definitive size and reach advantage and people having totally justifiable questions about Rashad’s chin …
Plus, Rashad is at the age where he may be starting to slow just a bit – and if he no longer has enough speed to compensate for his lack of size?
That’s why I see Rashad’s best chances in the future at 185.
I Agree
This is a fight where Davis will be in positions he’s never been in before, interesting to see how he holds up
by Green Naugahyde on Nov 30, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions
Davis has one chance of winning
and that is a submission which he could pull off. If tito can almost get Rashad in a submission I think Davis has a chance.
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Rashad is a black belt
I don’t see Davis submitting him.
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Davis is tricky and has a weird body frame
He could easily submit Rashad but i don’t see it happening
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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Nov 30, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong ...
… it is actually fighters like Rashad who have a “weird” body frame for MMA – or at least a profoundly disadvantageous one anyway.
One chance of winning?
Davis is 5" bigger than Rashad in the real world – remember that Rashad was listed at 5’9" right on the UFC’s own web site during the airing of TUF 2 – and he obviously has been working on his stand-up all these months.
And with Rashad’s chin what it is?
I can easily see Davis winning this by KO.
Wrong
Davis has no stand up and will be looking to get this fight to the ground and sub Rashad because that is his only chance. Rashad is a better striker and wrestler.
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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Dec 2, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Where the hell did Rashad 2.0 come from?
He fought Tito Ortiz, who took the fight on less than a month’s notice, and beat him like he was supposed to. Tito is well past his prime no matter how many times he beats Ryan Bader. I think people overrated Tito because he won and I remember in past BE threads talks of Tito getting a title shot if he beat another top level fighter.
I’m really high on Phil Davis. I hope he wins. I’m sure this is going to be a good fight before Evans is totally spent after the 3rd round.
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Rashad is too small for 205 anyway
Let him move down to 185; and if Chael Sonnen does beat what will be the then 37-year-old Anderson Silva – remember there is a “Curse of 37;” Sports Illustrated ran an article about it – there is no reason why Rashad couldn’t win the belt at 185 – and if he did, that means guaranteed UFC Hall Of Fame induction since he will have then won titles in two different weight classes, just like Randy Couture did.
I like Rashad’s chances against Anderson much more than I would against Jones. Rashad has added a considerable amount of lean mass, although he could possibly still cut to 185 (hard to say without knowing his peak-condition, pre-cut weight). No chance in hell he could make WW though, as was mentioned elsewhere.
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by The American Ronin on Dec 1, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hellz yea, america luvs black on black crime
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im gonna say rashad takes this one
John Fitch > WW Devision
Rashad may win and STILL not get a title shot!
What if Rashad dry-humps Davis the whole way and wins by decision?
Then Dan Henderson has a very strong case for demanding the next title shot.
So Rashad needs to go out there and try to finish Davis the way he finished Tito; but it’s obvious that Davis has been working on improving his stand-up all these months so that he can put his definitive size and reach advantage to good use and exploit Rashad’s suspect chin. What if Davis KO’s him? And I wouldn’t rule that out by any means.
Then Rashad very likely moves down to 185 – definitely if Anderson Silva does lose to Chael Sonnen, presumably in Brazil in June (assuming of course Sonnen gets by Mark Munoz, as I for one think he surely will).
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