Gleison Tibau talks to Tatame about cutting and gaining weight before his UFC 139 fight with Rafael dos Anjos:
"So we lose like 33lbs in a month and we gain like 26, 28lbs to fight. So it’s a good thing. If the guy stands before me, I’ll punch him and he’ll fall, he’ll feel it.
I got there (in the cage) with almost 183lbs. I was really strong. 28lbs in one day. When Rafael stopped before me, I played and he felt. Heavier and stronger. Physically, I’m feeling fine".
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Something to do with a bicycle.
I refuse to believe gaining that much weight is humanly possible.
by GreyedOut on Nov 24, 2011 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wrestled with a guy in high school
Who played football with a guy who would weigh in around 250-260 during football season and cut to 215 for wrestling. I have cut 23 lbs in 2 weeks to make 160 during high school. Its not that uncommon
Yup.
I always cut a decent amount. I hit 128 and cut to 112 my sophomore year, 142 to 119 my junior year, and 165 to 130 my senior year. About the same for 133 and 141 in college. Mind you that was my max weight during the summer and usually in season I never got more than 10 or 12 pounds above weight during the season. Even less once I got to college. The most I would weigh my first season in JUCO was 140 and 150 my second season. But I also had to make weight at least once a week for a tournament sometimes twice if we had a dual meet. Right now I am about 165 but I am planning on doing a test cut this spring to see if I can make 135, if not I will fight at featherweight. But I figure once I am back in wrestling/fighting shape I should maintain about 150-155 outside of cuts. Plus being able to weigh in 24 hours early will be nice, rather than 90 minutes to two hours before.
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by Andy Anderson on Nov 24, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the weight loss that's amazing, it's the weight gain
He adds 18% to his bodyweight in one day. Think about that.
How much do you or Mr Pants gain after the weigh-in? Tibau has some unreal dehydration/rehydration ability.
by paythefighters on Nov 25, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Same sort of
rapid dehydration/rehydration used by almost all wrestlers as well as guys like Maynard, GSP, Sonnen, pre-illness Lesnar and many, many others.
Tibau cuts a bit more proportionally than most, but Maynard isn’t far behind. Sonnen was 208 against Anderson, and GSP has been in the 192-195 range at times (in the cage, the only weight that matters).
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by The American Ronin on Nov 24, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
JZ cuts a shit ton of weight too
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 24, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ceiling's the limit for this guy!!
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by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Nov 24, 2011 1:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
When Rafael stopped before me, I played and he felt.
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Let’s get back to same day as fight weigh-ins! A lot of fighters are competing on an uneven playing field. In reality Jones should be competing @ heavywt, Anderson lighthvy, Gsp @ middlwt, Edgar @ welterwt.
by Hankverdee on Nov 24, 2011 1:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Edgar is actually known for not cutting much weight
He sure as hell doesn’t weigh 170, probably 160 max.
It wouldn't be safer
Guys would still dehydrate themselves to ridiculous levels and then they’d get into the cage in worse physical condition than they currently do because they couldn’t rehydrate.
There’s a reason they don’t do same day weigh ins anymore and it’s not so certain guys can come in heavy.
same day weigh-ins would be bad
the lack of time to rehydrate would have cause the brain to have a harder time bouncing back from strikes. More concussions and serious injuries. In any sport with some sort of weight based qualifier there will be weight cutting. At least Tibau is doing it intelligently. 33 lbs in a month is not bad. Restrict carbs and sodium and your body sheds the pounds. Stay extremely hydrated up until 12-18 hours before, hit the sauna (which is not allowed in amateur wrestling) and you are good to go. If he was trying to do this all in 24 to 72 hours then I would be worried. That is where weight cutting gets dangerous.
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by Andy Anderson on Nov 24, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's not bad if you don't put yourself in a position to be.
It’s the fighters fault if they want to cut 30lbs to make weight. It would eventually work itself out and perhaps people would fight at the weight that they weigh…novel idea. I may not be a doctor but I highly doubt putting your body through rapid weight cutting/re-hydrating a bunch of of pounds over the course of years and years is good for you, especially in the long-term. There are safe ways to lose weight and gain weight, and if you have same day weigh-ins, fighters would have to change the way they go about things. Of course there will be resistance. I think it’d be healthier for the sport, in the long run.
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Absolutely not
It most definitely would NOT work itself out.
I’d be surprised if 1% of pro fighters earned more than $10k/year, so every win is important. They will take every advantage that they can, and that means they will push themselves to lower weight classes and fight less than optimally hydrated. Someone will take a hard blow, and coupled with the lack of water we’ll see some serious brain injury or death.
The system is fine the way it is. Everyone can cut weight if they want to and everyone has to meet the same criteria, so the playing field is level. If a fighter chooses not to, he gets possible advantages in cardio and focused training (not having to worry about weight) to counteract the lack of size, along with the speed advantage that has always somewhat muted the effects of a size difference.
by paythefighters on Nov 27, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
You might have more fights canceled last minute if a guy doesn’t make weight and you would put fighters in danger by giving them less time to rehydrate.
Probably not good for the sport.
by discoandherpes on Nov 24, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
by that logic
Maynard should be a middleweight and Edgar doesn’t cut
by benten20 on Nov 24, 2011 1:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The size difference has only got Tibau so far, and he’s lost to the likes of Joe Stevenson, Jim Miller, Melvin Guillard, and others. Despite Tibau’s size, he’s still only a strong mid-tier Lightweight. There’s no uneven playing field here as Tibau has been beaten in the UFC despite having the size advantage.
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This should be regulated
The guy is going to kill himself loosing weight like that. That should be prohibited, guys are suposed to loose no more than 4 kilos. Or maybe even loose no weight at all, weight and fight just like they do in jiu.jitsu tornaments.
This is just not true
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by We All Hate Caleb on Nov 24, 2011 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
My friends participate in jiu jitsu tournaments, and weight cutting is pretty normal amongst jiu jitsu competitors
I have no idea where you got this idea that “loose no weight at all, weight and fight just like they do in jiu.jitsu tornaments.” Competitors in jiu jitsu tournaments do cut weight.
Also, Tibau’s size hasn’t got him even in the top ten of the UFC Lightweight Division. Despite his size advantage, he has still lost to Jim Miller, Melvin Guillard, Tyson Griffin, and Joe Stevenson. It’s an advantage, but it’s not making an uneven playing field or else he’d be destroying his competition and not losing.
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Varies by competitor and tournament
This can very by competitor and tournament. Some tournaments give you a large window of time between where you weigh in and compete. Other tournaments will have you step on the scale, pass, and compete.
One of my training partners (a 2009 World No-Gi Purple Belt champ, 2009 Pan Am No-Gi Purple belt champ, and 2011 Pan Am brown belt champ in his weight division) seldomly cuts weight unless he feel has the time to do it safely. Cutting is not the same as dieting down. Cutting is a quick, short weight drop, usually via manipulating your fluid levels.
by AngryTwinkie on Nov 24, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Most competitors
I know in BJJ don’t cut water weight before a tournament, especially when there is matside weigh ins. What they do is monitor their diet to lose as much body fat as possible to cut down to their optimal division.
Some tournaments, like grappler’s quest, let you weigh in the day but even then for an amateur competition most guys don’t have the time to devote to properly cutting water weight and rehydrating.
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More people will hurt themselves with same day weigh-ins
They’ll still cut weight to get as much advantage as they can, but they won’t have enough time to be in a healthy condition for fighting, and damage taken or loss of consciousness during the fight could have serious consequences.
by paythefighters on Nov 25, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Tibau for FW!!!!
Just 10 more lbs and we could have the greatest FW of all time lol. Imagine this behemoth lifting and slamming around those dudes???
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