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Why Women's MMA Needs Miesha Tate vs. Ronda Rousey To Happen Now

Miesha Tate hasn't competed since winning the Strikeforce 135-pound women's title. When she does, Ronda Rousey should be the one to challenge her. (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Women's MMA can be a strange thing sometimes. It's a mix of some great talents, some inexperienced fighters, an internal conflict of selling sex vs. athleticism and a constant self-evaluation of where the sport is to date.

That's why I've been so fascinated as to what's happened this week following Ronda Rousey's much-discussed victory at Strikeforce Challengers and the subsequent fallout from her post-fight callout of current 135-pound champion Miesha Tate.

In case you missed it, Rousey (4-0) continued her dominant run with a 39-second armbar win over Julia Budd. In four fights, the 24-year-old Rousey has needed just over two minutes combined to garner four armbar submission wins. Following the win over Budd, she said she wanted Tate and would even fight top contender Sarah Kaufman first to prevent anything from messing that up.

The Rousey victory went viral within MMA circles, an impressive kickoff to one of the best MMA weekends in years. In just her fourth pro fight, Rousey was put in the co-main event slot and is the only thing anyone is talking about from a show that featured four quick finishes (even with virtually no one watching).

This set off a bit of a firestorm within the women's MMA community with many current fighters unhappy with the attention Rousey got, ripping the idea that she's the new 'face of women's MMA' and that she was brazen enough to suggest she be given a title shot at this stage of her career. Tate, in particular, has been on the Twitter offensive most of the week about the possibility of Rousey getting an opportunity this soon in her career.

Here's where my fascination turns into advice: people want to see Tate vs. Rousey and women's MMA needs it to happen.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there simply isn't the widespread market for women's MMA as some of those competing within it may think. If you need some proof, take a look at the recent activity for five of the most well-known names:

  • Gina Carano: The former 'face of women's MMA' last competed over two years ago, teased a 2011 comeback and is preparing to revel in the spotlight of her first major movie role.
  • Cris Santos: The current Strikeforce 145-pound champion finally has a fight booked in December against Hiroko Yamanaka, who makes her promotional debut and therefore will be unknown to most watching. Santos hasn't fought since June of 2010 because, well, they didn't have anyone for her to fight.
  • Kaufman: After losing her Strikeforce 135-pound title in October 2010, the Canadian was last seen beating up Liz Carmouche in July and may have earned a title shot against Tate with the win…we think. It's been five months and nothing has been mentioned, said or discussed about it since then.
  • Tate: Since defeating Marloes Coenen in late-July for the 135-pound title, there's nary been a mention of her on Strikeforce either. She's apparently healthy and there's been events, so apparently they forgot about her as well.
  • Coenen: After losing her title and being cut from Strikeforce due to the Golden Glory fiasco, she signed a deal with a regional promotion and may debut early next year. How Zuffa didn't bring her back or Bellator not make an offer, I'm not quite sure.

The above are just five names that don't include Tara LaRosa (one of the more well-known names that has never appeared in Strikeforce or Bellator), Zoila Frausto-Gurgel (current Bellator champion that is hurt) and...who else that the casual MMA fan might have possible heard of? When one of your main names is someone that is essentially retired, that's a problem for women's MMA. It can be fixed and I have a potential solution, but more on that later this week.

Of course, the promotions aren't exactly making an effort to build female challengers either. We know what the UFC and Dana White's stance is on female fighters. Bellator has shown exactly one female fight on air this season. Strikeforce has aired a small handful of fights in 2011, but it may be less than five. There are talents out there, but no one is willing to put the effort in to build anything on the mainstream stage.

Given all of that information, women's MMA needs any help it can get to sustain itself and draw interest when it has the opportunity to do so. That's why Tate vs. Rousey needs to happen as it's the only fight other than a rematch of Santos/Carano that would pop any type of viewer rating and ultimately, the viewers and paying public drive the sport. (Yes, Carano is retired but she's still a star. Deal with it.)

So what about Tate/Kaufman, you ask?

I would be interested in seeing it, but I'm a hardcore fan at heart that watches every UFC, Strikeforce and Bellator show regardless of quality. I really don't count in this equation. Kaufman has earned the opportunity to get a title shot, but there's a reason why we haven't seen it. It's because Strikeforce doesn't see the value as there's no steam behind seeing these two go at it. Tate can talk up a fight but Kaufman has practically disappeared from the MMA public eye. She's talented, but she doesn't have that "come see me fight!" charisma that can make or break a career. Why else would Strikeforce just abandon a recent champion like this?

If and when Strikeforce is interested in promoting a Tate title fight, they will likely look to Rousey, who has that charisma, the good looks that bring in the 18-34 male demographic, the Olympic background that attracts mainstream media and plenty of steam behind her thanks to how she's winning. That might not be fair to "rankings" but c'mon now. Everyone knows there is no such thing as rankings in the UFC or Strikeforce. It's about what draws interest with a nod toward win streaks and competitive fights. To think otherwise is naive.

Unfair? Yep. That's the fight game. Ask Carlos Condit about fairness. Tate should be thrilled that there's a legit buzz about a challenger to her belt and that she might actually get to defend it someday. I asked her about this on Twitter and while she said her pay stays the same no matter who she fights, she felt it would be a buzzkill to have the fight so soon without having more hype behind it. By 'more hype', I assume she meant more wins for Rousey, but in this situation, I think that's irrelevant which leads into my final point.

People need to stop complaining about Rousey calling out the champion.

That's what she should be doing. Doing the meek "Well, I'll take anyone Strikeforce has to give me" is boring and doesn't get anyone anywhere. She's been running through opponents at a blistering pace and took an opportunity in a co-main event spot to move the needle. People are now talking about her and are talking about women's MMA. In other words, it worked.

Lest we forget another title challenger in 2008 that many said was underqualified for a title shot. That person was just 2-1 and got a shot at one of the biggest names in MMA for one of the biggest prizes in the sport. That person was Brock Lesnar and he did just fine in beating Randy Couture for the UFC Heavyweight Championship.

While no one is suggesting Rousey will be anywhere the level of draw Lesnar is, the UFC knew they had something and he jumped the line in front of a few more qualified contenders thanks to a fanbase that wanted to see him fight and with the athletic background to back it up. Rousey getting a shot after just four pro bouts isn't unprecedented and frankly, women's MMA could use the attention.

It might not be fair, but it's business. The alternative of women's MMA disappearing from all major promotions is much worse.

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I’m sure I’m in the minority on this, but I think the reason they haven’t booked Tate/Kaufman yet is simple – Kaufman would beat her again. And they think Tate is a more marketable champion, so they’re going to protect her. Kaufman being demanding didn’t help her case much, but they were happy she dropped the title to Coenen and they don’t want her back in the driver’s seat. Which sucks, because Kaufman is the best 135er in WMMA.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

+1

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by TheLastEmpress on Nov 23, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Kaufman’s personality is as magnetic as Fitch’s.

Strikeforce will end up putting together Tate vs Rousey if only b/c Ronda has more of a chance against clinch friendly Miesha than against Sarah; plus, judging from her most recent scrap, the former is not as good a striker as Sarah.

Sarah will have to wait on it, it seems. Sucks to be her, but that’s showbisiness for you.

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by Unabomberman on Nov 23, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

What puts Kaufman above Coenen or Tate? It’s a pretty clear triangle in my eyes.

by HarmlessNinja on Nov 23, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Coenen’s out of the picture, she was released by Strikeforce.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this as well. Kaufman beat Carmouche pretty badly, and it doesn’t look like she is going to get a Title shot. I feel that stylistically, Kaufman would beat Tate unanimously as she can defend takedowns very well and has crisp striking. She’s also just very strong for her weight class.

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by chrisbboy82 on Nov 23, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So what about Tate/Kaufman, you ask?

I would be interested in seeing it, but I’m a hardcore fan at heart that watches every UFC, Strikeforce and Bellator show regardless of quality. Kaufman has earned the opportunity to get a title shot, but there’s a reason why we haven’t seen it. It’s because Strikeforce doesn’t see the value as there’s no steam behind seeing these two go at it. Tate can talk up a fight but Kaufman has practically disappeared from the MMA public eye. She’s talented, but she doesn’t have that “come see me fight!” charisma that can make or break a career.

Sorry to say, but what is the difference? Does anybody outside of hardcore “that watches every UFC, Strikeforce and Bellator show regardless of quality” type of fans care about any of these fights? I will watch whatever fight they put together, I just am not sure there is a segment of fans that will or won’t based on switching Kaufman vs Rousey.

by truck on Nov 23, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Not much of a fan of WMMA myself, but

that is one of the rare WMMA fights that I would watch. I think that Rousey’s Olympic cred with her charisma would get her more mainstream sports interest than anyone else in a WMMA title fight, Carano possibly excepted.

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by The American Ronin on Nov 23, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Going by the ratings of the most recent Challengers show, I don’t see Tate vs Rousey knocking anyone’s socks off ratings wise.

by amendamatrix on Nov 23, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it would get enough mainstream press to at least move the needle a bit, something WMMA is direly in need of.

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by The American Ronin on Nov 23, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

What mainstream media outlet do you suspect will cover a Strikeforce Challengers WMMA match?

by truck on Nov 23, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s the point. In a Title Fight for the title of World’s Baddest Woman, Zuffa could get her booked on talk shows, do some real promotion. She could throw Jimmy Fallon then rip off his arm, for instance.

by Chromium on Nov 23, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It is her Olympic credentials that would get

a Strikeforce title fight between Rousey and Tate some extra coverage.

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by The American Ronin on Nov 23, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy way to promote this fight

Buy out some space in ESPN/SI magazines for a Tate/Rousey bikini photoshoot… maybe mention the fight somewhere.

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by menckenstein on Nov 23, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

prob the only way

Cuz none of the casuals really care about wmma.

by benten20 on Nov 23, 2011 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i don't care if it worked for promotion or not

i just wanna see it

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by HitokiriX on Nov 23, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

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by T.C. Engel on Nov 23, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

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by RECE ROCK on Nov 23, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

An all too often ignorned truism...
Everyone knows there is no such thing as rankings in the UFC or Strikeforce. It’s about what draws interest with a nod toward win streaks and competitive fights. To think otherwise is naive.

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by The American Ronin on Nov 23, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

People need to stop complaining about Rousey calling out the champion.

I agree. The complaining from the other Strikeforce women was pretty excessive. They kinda looked like bullies and it actually made Rousey look even better. Calling people out to get fights has been working lately. I think Rousey’s just trying to make things happen for herself and she’s in a position to do that right now because people are talking about her. She’s smart to take advantage of the current situation.

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by KatGirl on Nov 23, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

Could not agree more

If you want someone, call them out, early and often, and the match seems likely to get made.

There is, of course, the Dana Issue involved in this one…

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by The American Ronin on Nov 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

People are actually mad she called out the champ?

That’s ridiculous. That’s what fighters do. To be Capt. Obvious for a minute, I get the feeling she wouldn’t be facing that backlash is she was a he. We’d be mad at a male contender NOT calling out the champ.

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by duck on Nov 23, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

the back lash is prob from other female fighters knowing she is on the path to becoming the next face of WMMA... she's got good looks, got skills and is winning.

Women hate other women to begin with, then on top of it she may be coming for there spot… fuck thats when the claws come out.

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by RECE ROCK on Nov 23, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s more along the lines of this – if a featherweight fighter with four pro fights called out Dominick Cruz, people would laugh at it. There wouldn’t be as much backlash, because no one would care. It’s just not realistic in men’s MMA for someone to call out the champion of a division they’ve never fought in with four pro fights on their record.

That being said, WMMA is a whole different thing. But I’m with Tate that Rousey should fight once at 135 and wait in line behind Kaufman.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

But I’m with Tate that Rousey should fight once at 135 and wait in line behind Kaufman.

I don’t disagree with that. I do think the complaining about what Rousey said was too much – it just went on and on. I like that she’s aiming high. She may not get the fights she wants but it’s worth a shot.

I appreciate her spirited attitude :)

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by KatGirl on Nov 23, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course! :)

Here‘s some and also here. And Tate’s Twitter.

That was also shameless self-promotion on my part.

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by KatGirl on Nov 23, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

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by Unabomberman on Nov 23, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s funny that Tara LaRosa has so much to say. “I cleaned out 135 and dropped to 125”. Uh, sure you did.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Two words

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Nov 23, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Brock Lesnar

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Nov 23, 2011 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He wasn’t asking to fight the light heavyweight champion.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

135 is where the talent is abundant. She will eventually face Cyborg in what will likely be a huge fight but for now she can build her reputation at 135.

It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.

by memitim on Nov 23, 2011 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Right, but that’s not really the point of the comment string.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought she went home to be a family man.

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by menckenstein on Nov 23, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Street Fighter 2 jokes beside

She left Las Vegas and went through a divorce. I don’t care how amicable it might be, that takes a toll on you.

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by KJ Gould on Nov 23, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought she remarried and retired?

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by menckenstein on Nov 23, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

What??

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by Unabomberman on Nov 23, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Basically

She started believing her own hype, lost to a fighter that was coming off of a long hiatus, can barely make 145 155 160, got injured again, and is generally a complete lunatic.

Aimed at the crotch...

by Damon O. on Nov 23, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

She was the one who was beefing with Tate and LaRosa, right?

Who got served with the “hop on a treadmill” line?

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by menckenstein on Nov 23, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh right she remarried Melanson after being married to some crazy abusive guy

Damn that didn’t last long.

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by menckenstein on Nov 23, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The divorce is amicable

And based on the careers that both want to continue to pursue.

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by KJ Gould on Nov 23, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

They are the 1%

Of Las Vegas marriages that end under amicable circumstances.

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by menckenstein on Nov 23, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Absoulutley hilarious not to mention 100% true. If Toughill fights again I have a new nickname for her: Erin “The Overrated Lunatic” Toughill. I think its perfect, don’t you?

by jdark on Nov 23, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

The chick has some really fucked up issues. I don’t think we should be making those kinds of jokes, but whatever.

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by Unabomberman on Nov 23, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

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by Unabomberman on Nov 23, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I think the number one reason that hardcores want to see this fight is

because on paper it seems incredibly competitive, despite Rousey’s relative inexperience. In my opinion, the “hotness” of both competitors is something that would draw casual fans more than fans like us.

Rousey has a cult of personality like few others right now. Book the fight.

by jdd1510 on Nov 23, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t see it as competitive. I think Rousey tosses Tate around for a decision.

by discoandherpes on Nov 23, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is WMMA is still under-developed

I’ve often seen it referred to as the Women’s Division and at the same time see fighters from different weight classes get mixed up.

Zoila Frausto fights at 125lbs after struggling to get down to 115lbs to upset Megumi Fujii (who bounced back with victories, but otherwise no one has hear anything more about her). As a result Frausto isn’t in the conversation regarding the 135lbs division, and obviously 145lbs division.

This then leaves us with a problem Cris Cyborg is facing: she’s Queen of a division no other women fight in. Rousey wanting to drop down and take on Tate is just illustrative of this. If Carano was more disciplined, she’d probably want to drop down to 135lbs too and avoid Cyborg (it won’t happen considering how much trouble she’s had making 140-145 in the past).

125 and 135 are the most competitive in WMMA, but in the grand scheme of things that isn’t saying much. I’d have liked Rousey to stay at 145 because that division needs all the help it can get.

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by KJ Gould on Nov 23, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

More importantly

Who wins that fight, Rousey or Tate? I’ll bet my house on Rousey.

by StephenDedalus on Nov 23, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

We win

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by menckenstein on Nov 23, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Rousey beats Tate. Kaufman beats both of them.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Then interest in women's mma declines further

Sad but true.

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by menckenstein on Nov 23, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

If Tate can out-grapple Kauffman, I'd bet Housey can too, no problem.

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by SanFranpsycho on Nov 23, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Shyeah...'bout that...

Tate can’t out-grapple Kaufman, that we know…

Rousey could probably put it on Tate, but Kaufman? I have my doubts, especially given how Sarah is perfectly capable of going GSP on us and jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, profit! If she has to (ask Takayo Hashi).

Long night for Ronda who doesn’t have the striking acumen to cancel her out, methinks. And will be very, very boring.

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by Unabomberman on Nov 23, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

All Rousey has to do to beat Kaufman is get her in the clinch three times. Rousey would easily be the best grappler Kaufman has fought. I’d take Rousey as a slight favorite.

by discoandherpes on Nov 23, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Kaufman beat Tate handily the first time around.

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by Tim Burke on Nov 23, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, this has kind of made me lose a little respect for Ronda.

It’s bold enough to call out a champ after four victories, but calling out the champ of a lighter weight class just makes her look scared of Cyborg. Cyborg is fighting in under a month, so the timeline for a fight between the two of them would work out perfectly fine.

If she is eyeing a move to 135 for other reasons(she seems a little small for 145), then fine. But she could just do that without calling out a champ. Move down, fight somebody like kaufman or Carmouche and then fight Tate.

by Warbreezy on Nov 23, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Only a few months ago Ronda was saying there is absolutely no way she could ever make 135 and would only fight at 140 under very limited circumstances. But complaining about her dropping to 135 at this point is useless. The 145lb division is never going to have any depth if this keeps happening and after Yamanaka Cyborg gets to go back to sitting on the sidelines waiting for somebody to fight her and waste even more of her prime. If Cyborg can’t make 135 her MMA career is pretty much over.

by jdark on Nov 23, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They just need to have her fight men.

I know that some people are squeamish about this idea, but everything I’ve seen of her tells me she is completely capable of it. I’m fairly certain that she would maul the vast majority of the men at 145.

by Warbreezy on Nov 23, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re trolling right?

by discoandherpes on Nov 23, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would I be?

She’s a very good fighter and she’s freakishly strong for somebody her size. I could see her tooling up a lot of featherweight guys. I just wouldn’t put her up against somebody who likes to do a lot of elbows to the face. I doubt that she would really give a shit, but I think people would probably lose their minds if they saw a woman fighting a man and getting her face all bloodied up.

by Warbreezy on Nov 23, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe because she is not as skilled as any male fighter in the UFC featherweight division? Cyborg isn’t an accurate puncher, and her grappling isn’t that great either. She gets by on the fact that she’s athletically superior to everyone she faces.

I can’t believe this is even up for discussion.

by discoandherpes on Nov 23, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're saying that literally every featherweight is better than her?

I’ve seen plenty of anemic performances from featherweights, so that is hard to believe.

by Warbreezy on Nov 23, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying.

by discoandherpes on Nov 23, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's a little silly.

I’m not an expert or anything, but I’ve seen plenty of guys with pretty mediocre skill sets in the FW division. I could see her beating up a guy like Jonathan Brookins, for instance.

by Warbreezy on Nov 23, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Jonathan Brookins is a far superior grappler.

Once again, I can’t believe I’m having this discussion.

by discoandherpes on Nov 23, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He also throws sloppy punches

Has pretty porous striking defense and gets tagged. And if you don’t want to argue about this, then don’t. I don’t really care, I’m just giving my opinion on something.

by Warbreezy on Nov 23, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If you want to believe that Cyborg could compete in the UFC featherweight division, then go ahead. I don’t want to sound like too much of a dick, so I’ll leave it at that.

by discoandherpes on Nov 23, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I had to jump in...

Warbreezy you are insane if you think she has a hope in hell against the featherweight division of the UFC.

I mean, she wins her fights almost entirely because of her athletic advantages, not due to impeccable techniques and strategies.

She would certainly have no athletic advantages against any of the men that she would fight. At best she would be an equal and at worst she would have a large strength and speed disadvantage.

She’d get destroyed!

All these, uh, dealmakers making deals. Ya know, I don't, all I know is I'm ready to fight so, ya know, I'm sorry I didn't make it to the beauty pageant.

by Luke Nelson on Nov 23, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Why are we even having this discussion, their is now way an mma fight between a man and a woman would ever, ever be sanctioned in this country. Why not concentrate on what is possible. Like Cyborg putting an epic beating on Ronda Rousey, a striking battle with Sarah Kaufman a future rematch with Coenen ect.

by jdark on Nov 23, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll agree that I was probably being sensationalist.

But before that I was watching her pummel Jan Finney and I was a little hyped from that one sided beat down. At the same time, I think it’s a little asinine to say that she is worse than every single male fighter in the UFC featherweight division. As I said, I’ve seen plenty of anemic performances.

by Warbreezy on Nov 23, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh please. Have you actually trained with her tpo make such a claim? I’ll take the word of a man who has actually sparred with her. She wouldn’t be on the top, but, yes she could compete with mid range fighters.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/20/1577987/k-j-noons-thinks-cristiane-cyborg

by Jaime Pretell on Nov 23, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want to see Cyborg fight a man, I want to see Cyborg beat up Ronda Rousey. After that I want Toughill to finally get her act together and then see Cyborg beat her up.

by jdark on Nov 23, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly^^

Jose Aldo is the most overratted fighter in the world. Jan 14th Chad Mendez will put a beating on him GUARANTEED! Mendez is the new Frankie Edgar, but with power

by JonBon Joey on Nov 23, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

let ronda fight bazler , then the winner fights tate/kaufman winner …easy.

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by ekc on Nov 23, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I think Rousey should get another 1-2 fights before taking on a champ.

Most importantly, she should fight on big SF cards and leave the Challengers series.
This girl has to be promoted on the most watched SF program, i really think she could catch on.

Let Tate&Kaufman sort it out in the meantime

by KOQ24 on Nov 23, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If Strikeforce stays around, then there are some good female fighters at 135. Sarah Kaufman would probably be next. Alexis Davis just beat Amanda Nunes. Liz Carmouche and Amanda Nunes, while coming off losses, could potentially get a Title shot after some wins. I don’t know if Kerry Vera is still fighting, but if she is, then she could get into that mix. The 135 lb Womens division in Strikeforce actually has some talent, and if Rousey ever becomes Champion, it could bring some spotlight to the division. This is only if Strikeforce stays around, but there are challengers after a Tate vs Rousey matchup.

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by chrisbboy82 on Nov 23, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmmm....

Miesha Tate would be good but the fight I really want to see is Ronda vs Kyra Gracie.

by Jaime Pretell on Nov 23, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

I think that Rousey should probably fight one fight at 135 before fighting Tate just to get used to the weight cut. Otherwise, an immediate Tate vs Rousey match would still be good. Womens MMA needs all the promotion it can get, and having someone as marketable as Rousey could only help Womens MMA. The way that it’s going now, Womens MMA is growing at a snail’s pace, but it is growing as shown by the fact that Olympic level athletes like Sara McMann and Rhonda Rousey are doing MMA.

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by chrisbboy82 on Nov 23, 2011 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

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