Diaz Does it Again: A Boxing Breakdown (Gifs everywhere. Srsly.)
by gzl5000 on Nov 2, 2011 10:19 PM EDT
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Here's what's funny. A few people are going to click on this fanpost, thinking it's going to be gloating about how great Nick Diaz is. Oh, the funny. There will be gloating, but it will be about my own prognosticative abilities. To wit:
Lining up a counter on Nick isn’t easy because of the distance he keeps. Either way, I could certainly see BJ being technical and hurting Nick early. I just don’t see him winning. The pressure Nick puts on opposing fighters standing is essentially the same as Fitch does grappling. I also wouldn’t say that Nick is a smaller WW anymore, he comfortably fought Scott Smith and Frank Shamrock at 180 and looked no smaller than either of them. He’s packed on muscle over the years.
A fighter with cardio problems is Nick Diaz’s dream come true. After a first round that’s all BJ, I see pitter-pat, body punch, pitter-pat, body punch; all day long..
The overwhelming support on BE for B.J. Penn over the weeks leading up to UFC 137 nearly had me convinced that he could pull it off and be the 2nd man to TKO Nick Diaz. In the end? Nick and BJ are exactly who we thought they were before the fight started, and it played out very close to how I imagined back in June.
That’s good on paper, but Nick isn’t your average brawler. Issues of reach, height and stance come into play. BJ’s jab isn’t going to work when Nick’s lead side is right in line with his. He may have trouble finding a home for his straight right when he’ll be at a 4 inch reach disadvantage and a 4 inch height disadvantage, especially since Diaz stands tall. Finally, the sheer volume Diaz throws with, while still maintaining better-than-you’d-think technique, is a big problem. To throw one good counter, you need to slip 3 or 4 Diaz punches. In doing so, you can catch Nick seriously open and hit him satisfyingly hard, but I don’t see BJ having the gas tank to do that continually. And if you’ve seen Diaz fight before, you know that one knockdown is never enough to finish him.
So what did Penn and Diaz show us? First, Nick surprised me at the start by coming out orthodox. This seemed a bad idea to me, given that by standing in his natural southpaw, Diaz would make it harder to BJ to land his best punch (the jab) with each fighter's lead hand aligned with his opponents'. By standing orthodox, Nick let BJ land his jab quite often, thereby nullifying Nick's reach and height advantage, and setting up his powerful right straight.
We can see how BJ's jab takes away Nick's ability to extend on punches when the clock reads 4:13, BJ's jab travels down the inside of Diaz's arm and causes the right straight to miss. BJ's head movement is also displayed here, at 4:18 and again at 4:09. In both cases he slips to the right, outside of Nick's left jab, putting him in position to counter and close distance with little to fear from Nick's right hand; it has to travel too far to reach him quickly.
BJ's outside slip of Nick's jab leads him perfectly into a single leg on Nick's left lead side. BJ used this head movement to set up punches as well, beginning literally 5 seconds into the fight.
It's clear that Penn is very comfortable standing through the first round. He's using precise head movement (without dropping his hands, KJ) as both defense and a way to create opportunities for counterstriking, keeping the pressure on Nick and off himself by moving forward, staying technical rather than swinging for a KO, and mixing in punches to the body. Click to view:
Note: It doesn't matter that BJ misses here. His ability to turn defense into offense keeps Nick from swarming and aiming to the body makes Nick spread his defense out and be more thoughtful about his attack.
In short, while the 1st round lasted, BJ Penn implemented the perfect gameplan to beat Nick Diaz standing. Still, we saw a flash or two of what was to come in the 2nd. BJ started to stand in front of Nick just a little more in the final minute as his cardio started to go, and the southpaw stance started to give him trouble (click to view):
Here, BJ moves his head the wrong direction against a right jab, instead reflexively using the same rightward slip that worked so well against Nick's left jab. To make matters worse, once a jab or two bother him, he starts circling right, which is exactly the wrong way to go against Nick. BJ is at the end of Nick's long left straight with no opportunity to reset or counter, and he pays for it when Nick is able to line up a big stepping overhand right at the end of the gif.
Still, Nick stayed mostly in the orthodox, and BJ didn't look too winded at the end of the first. The real problem would come in the next round.
To start the second, Nick made two smart decisions (or maybe his corner did). First, having tasted BJ's power and not having been knocked down, Nick started starting in front of BJ. As in, right in front of him, blatantly inside punching range, daring BJ to swing at him and waste energy. He even goads BJ by headbutting a jab early into round 2.
Second, and this one comes a bit later, Diaz switches almost exclusively to southpaw. By standing so close with lead hands aligned (plus a large reach advantage), Diaz stuff BJ's jab before it's even thrown, negating much of his offense while at the same time forcing BJ to expend energy trying to get the pressure off. In my mind, the turning point comes at around 3:50 left in the second (click to view):
This is where DIaz starts to put things together, namely his pressure style and smothering reach advantage, at just the point where BJ starts to fade. As BJ exits the clinch above, it's clear from his body language that he's trying to reset, as he believes Nick is out of range. Nick surprises him with a long right jab (after showing him the left through the first) and tags him twice more. At the end of the gif, Nick does the same thing with his left hand, stepping in fearlessly while BJ is trying to mentally reset and keeping the pressure on. The sequence leads to BJ's first failed takedown of the night, which blows more energy and sets the tone for the rest of the round. From this point on, Diaz would never let up.
This is where Diaz does his best work, opponent against the fence and forced to circle counter-clockwise. BJ is still looking for a place to reset mentally as well as to catch his breath. At the same time, BJ circling towards Nick's power side gives Nick a fantastic angle for his right jab, left straight, and his best punch, the right hook. The right-handed punches in particular benefit not only from Nick's height and reach in that he can punch over top of BJ's jab, but that by circling away and to his right, BJ takes himself straight into the zone of full extension for that right hand and at the same time leaves his own jab falling short.
We can see that BJ is in full-on defensive mode by now. The combination he throws at the beginning of the gif is okay and works into giving him space to set up the jab, but Nick immediately resets his range; he's able to do that specifically because he's worked BJ into the fence while having the entire octagon at his back to work with. This makes Penn's long hook/jab miss, and Diaz immediately comes back with the pressure. For BJ, it's back to square 1: Back against the fence, unable to move his head, and forced to circle away without an opportunity to counter-attack.
Diaz is in total control here. BJ's hurt, gassed and busted up, unable to line up a good counter punch or even get space to breathe. Only the round ending saved BJ here. He would come back in round 3 with the one new thing we saw from either fighter on that night: a BJ Penn with heart.
BJ actually starts round 3 strong in contradiction to how he finished round 2 and most of the in-cage adversity he's faced throughout his career. In the gif below (clicky again), BJ starts off strong with a hard right to the body and a good jab a few seconds later.
BJ gets his jab working twice within the first 5 seconds of the opening round after having no success with it through most of round 2. Why is that? Certainly he comes out fresher after the round break, but there's more to it. In both instances, it's Nick's mistake more than BJ's skill that lets the jab land. Clicky gif again:
Both times Penn's jab goes directly over Nick's lowered right arm as a counter to a right hook. This is how the jab has to land against a tall and brawling southpaw to work. As a counter and over the top, it has enough snap to push Nick's head back and disrupt his accuracy, particularly evident in the second gif above. The fact is that BJ Penn, like any technical boxer, relies heavily on his jab to set up the rest of his game, both offense and defense. Another fact is that, unless Diaz makes the mistake of constantly dropping his right, BJ won't be landing that jab consistently. He lands these 2 because being fresh allows him to capitalize on a great timing instinct and land with enough snap to throw Nick's offense off. In addition, in the 2nd gif Nick is throwing a wild body shot with no set-up, uncharacteristic for him, which gives BJ the window to counter. As the round wears on, Nick makes less of these mistakes and sets up his body punches better while BJ starts to slow down and can't time Nick as easily. Check out a still of the awkward angle and extension BJ has to get to in order to land the counter jab in the 1st gif above:
Without the advantage of a counter punch? That jab has no chance. Once Diaz extends his lead hand and covers BJ, he can easily avoid the jab following inside his right arm by leaning back just a little. Less than a minute in, he's made the adjustment already. Click:
For the rest of the round, BJ shows amazing heart and resiliency, firing back consistently but missing lots of punches and absorbing many more. He continues to mostly miss with his jab and occasionally switches to a left hook, which is a good option against a southpaw, but simply too hard to land over the lead shoulder of a taller fighter. The straight right, also great against a southpaw, also falls short most of the time without a jab setup or Diaz leaning in, because of the difference in reach. Despite landing some good shots and occasionally having success, Diaz's physical advantages of height, reach, and cardio, combined with his boxing prowess, lead to a lot of the same as the 2nd round.
So there we have it. BJ Penn with cardio and able to land his jab in the first round scored easily on Nick Diaz, but faded fast and was thrown off his game when the jab was taken away. Diaz's pressure and switch to southpaw, whether by design or accident, were timed brilliantly to coincide exactly when BJ was beginning to falter, when he was least able to make adjustments. Fighting on instinct when he was tired led to technical mistakes, and the possible end of BJ's career. Great performance from both men.
Now can Georges St. Pierre please read at least one of these posts so that someone can stop that jackass Diaz from doing what he always fucking does?
Hope you guys enjoyed the breakdowns, and that your bandwidth isn't dead. Check back in a week or so, I'll be breaking down some of the striking game of a fighter that I feel almost the exact opposite about as compared with Mr. Diaz: Cung Le.
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Great work
Looking forward to the Cung Le breakdown!
Spinning with the Fishes for the 2011/2012 BE Civil War. IT'S ON!
by wonderfulspam on Nov 2, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
yeah me too
fantastic write up!
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by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Nov 3, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I picked Diaz via UD
one of the few fights I got right that night
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
From the chatter on BE, I’d say you were in the minority. But maybe the Diaz fans were keeping quiet.
I suppose
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
by Chris Groves on Nov 2, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
VERY VERY VERY awesome man
Do you think GSP has the striking to hang with Nick? My, uneducated, eyes feel that GSP can implement the same think that BJ did, but he wouldn’t be smaller and wouldn’t gas out. What do you think?
GSP could probably jab, leg kick, and circle for a while, but idk if he can run away for 5 rounds. but what will probably happen is nick will get a little frustrated at GSP dancing around and will try too hard to close the distance and will eat a hard double leg onto his butt, and GSP will lay there not doing anything(the guy couldn’t submit hardy) and he’ll be extra cautious because of nicks super jitz. best chance nick has is catching him in the later rounds when he won’t be as light on his toes
I see no offense in taking the piss out of GSP for his lack of finishes
but you can’t say he did nothing against Hardy on the ground. GSP had multiple sub attempts that failed partly because of flaws in technique and partly from Hardy being made out of rubber or something. Or maybe you forgot that part where Hardy’s arm was almost twisted off. And yes, i know, the key word is “almost.”
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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Nov 3, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't bet on it, at least if it becomes a boxing match.
GSP has a few advantages that BJ doesn’t, namely a reach advantage of 2 inches over Diaz and a great gas tank. The problem is that, although GSP has a good jab, the rest of his boxing isn’t nearly as good as BJ’s.
I’ve written about it before, but here’s the short version:
1. GSP needs range to use the jab because he prefers to explosively step in when he throws it. It works nicely with his style, since he can use that same step to transition to a takedown, but BJ’s jab is better for keeping range and setting up combinations given that he can put a ton of pop on it from a stantionary position. GSP generally doesn’t do that.
2. GSP’s boxing defense is decent, but not great. He doesn’t move his head a ton, preferring to stay out of range, and he drops his hands far too often for my liking. Not to mention that he occasionally fights out of a crouch. Again, great for setting up the takedown, not good for pure striking.
3. GSP’s other punches are not as good as BJ’s. BJ has a decent left hook and a killer right hand. Georges used to have a much better straight right, but it’s become loopy and inconsistently effective as of late. It actually got worse from the Koscheck to the Shields fight. Note:
Comparing that to the Shields gif above, about half the rights in the Kos gif were sharp and half were weak, but the Shields one was way out there and only landed because it was against Jake Shields. And GSP threw that ugly thing all night.
This isn’t the best left hook GSP’s ever thrown, but it’s not super uncharacteristic either. Basically, it tends to be pawing and/or looping, which will make it less than effective at keeping the pressure off.
In a pure boxing match, Nick wins every single time, based on what we’ve seen so far. If GSP can be more effective with his kicks, that could change things, but he’s been so hesitant to throw with his rear leg lately. The real game-changer is GSP’s wrestling and ground ‘n pound. As I mention above, a fair amount of GSP’s striking is set up to compliment his wrestling game, which is his true strength anyway. So while I don’t see GSP beating Nick up in a boxing match (which he’d be stupid to engage in), I can see GSP winning the striking battle in later rounds if he makes Nick afraid enough of the takedown through some ground ‘n pound in rounds 1-3. A Diaz that can’t move forward and apply pressure is in serious trouble.
by gzl5000 on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Wow
you’re smart.
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to be fair
I think GSP was doing the looping on purpose because Shields has a habit of ducking and he wanted the extra loop to catch him with it
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by Cory Braiterman on Nov 3, 2011 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit...
now just give me some insight to why Leonard Garcia’s striking is so terrible and you’ll be my new BE hero.
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Agreed on the breakdown of GSP's vs Nick's striking alone.
I foresee the GSP/Diaz fight playing out quite similar to the GSP/Alves fight: a normally hyper-aggressive, forward-moving striker is made to second-guess himself via the threat of a takedown.
The differences being that Alves’ TDD is better, and is harder to hold down; while Diaz’s BJJ acumen is on a different planet than Alves. That said, and I am saying this now so I can quote it later, the fight will play out almost eerily similar to that.
by Disco-Platypus on Nov 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Alves’ TDD is better, and is harder to hold down
False.
No one holds Diaz down, Sean Sherk couldn’t drag Nick to the mat.
The one guy who came closest was Diego sanchez and that was 2006.
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We'll see if no one holds Diaz down when he fights GSP. Until then we can't say squat, I think.
For the record: I hope you’re right.
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The one guy who came closest was Diego sanchez and that was20062005.
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GSP's size + wrestling presents a new problem though.
Sherk’s a good wrestler, but small. Diego’s a decent wrestler, but not as good as GSP. Karo is good at judo, but has a poor gas tank. Even fighting at 180, Diaz has never faced someone as big as GSP with that kind of wrestling prowess.
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Sean Sherk is also a lightweight
And Diaz hasn’t faced anyone with top control since Sanchez.
Not afraid to nitpick
He only lost to GSP and Hughes at that weight.
When he was in his prime he was a beast and a half.
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Before stricter regulation you mean.
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Drugs are a tool
they should be legal.
Just my opinion.
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You fucked up the Haiku
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3-5-3 right?
w/e poetry is for GSP fans ;P
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Sherk and Riggs both outstruck him, though.
Diaz landed a bunch of his pitter patter shots, but Riggs especially landed some THUDDING counters throughout the fight. Granted, Nick has improved considerably since then, but he still gets hit early and often.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, you guys are talking about Nick like he would EVER be concerned about a TD.
I have mad respect for both you and gzl but Diaz could give a fuck about being taken down, and in fact welcomes it. This is a guy that fucking loves being on his back.
BJ did indeed get Nick down quite handily, but a split second later he was flying through the air getting flipped on his head, Nick’s sweep was fucking instant, ferocious, and technically perfect. Even when BJ had his back he couldn’t do anything with it. Nick doesn’t train TDD so much as he trains Takedown result transitions, thinking two steps ahead of the takedown itself.
That ground exchange with BJ in the first looked like 2 spiders trying to rape each other, and while George has brilliant passes he will not be able to do any of them on Diaz. Diaz’ guard is an extremely dangerous place to be, he will constantly be attempting sweeps, subs, and throwing short, brutal punches and elbows. GSP will not want to be there for very long, I am sure of it.
The first, and maybe second rounds, will be all GSP TD’s, Legkicks and Superman punches.
But then he will slow down, just half a step, and then he will be in Nick’s wheelhouse.
GSP, up against the cage, unable to get out, eating BIG, NASTY HOOKS, grinding heads with Nick. Bloody face, with fear in his eyes. For once, at a loss on what to do, because Nick is not slowing down.
When this starts happening, I might literally have a stroke.
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by Shotokanman on Nov 3, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I think I'll just sit there, smiling contentedly....
…if Nick does what Nick do to GSP.
What will get be going bananas is if Nick catches a sub when he’s on his back.
How great would it be if he triangled St. Pierre and threw up the middle fingers until he got the tap?
All these, uh, dealmakers making deals. Ya know, I don't, all I know is I'm ready to fight so, ya know, I'm sorry I didn't make it to the beauty pageant.
Or having that triangle locked and dropping elbow after elbow while saying
“Fuck! You! Fuck! You! Mother! Fucker!”
BAM BAM BAM BAM
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 3, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're saying you want me to watch a bunch of Leonard Garcia fights?
Why do you hate me?
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by gzl5000 on Nov 3, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well played
:p - orcus
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I would also contend
that in MMA, to “outstrike” someone means more than just standing. It also includes strikes from the clinch and on the ground. For example, Cheick Kongo may have rocked Cain Velasquez standing at the beginning of all 3 rounds, but Cain went on to land FAR more strikes each frame (something to the tune of 220+ strikes overall, 25 being power shots; to Kongo’s 42 overall strikes/ 18 power shots).
I think GSP will outstrike Nick. I don’t think he will give Diaz time to open up with volleys of punches standing, and it will be Georges doing the striking while on top of Diaz.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I have to think that anytime Nick opens up or pushes forward too fast, he’ll end up on his back. Even if you’re cutting angles, you can’t back off of Nick Diaz when he’s coming after you. GSP has the cardio and enough striking to beat up Nick’s legs, and put him on his back anytime Nick starts to tee off on him. The question then is if Nick is able to get back to his feet without absorbing a ton of damage. I think he’ll be successful with that for a while, but this really should be a war of attrition.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly what I'm thinking.
GSP will be able to land punch + low kick combos without taking return fire, quite easily really. And once those have been established and Nick is thinking brawl, he’s gonna get plowed through and slammed onto his back.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there is a perception,
or just a desire to see if Nick’s attitude and cagetalk will piss Georges off and take him out of his game. I’m curious, but I think it’s much more likely that Georges takes Nick out of his game by just coolly executing a perfect gameplan on him and refusing to be baited, and thus, really frustrating Nick to the point that he starts going a bit nuts in there. Nick may be physically tougher, but there’s no way to convince me that he’s mentally stronger than Georges.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mentally tougher than Diaz?
GSP tap’d to strikes…
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There's a difference,
between raw toughness, and the ability to stay emotionally composed and fight smart. That’s the distinction I mean. Physical toughness, being able to overcome pain or fear without quitting, goes to Diaz, whereas, mental toughness, the ability to fight with your head in the game, not get baited or lose your temper, goes to GSP. Anyone who thinks Nick is going to get under Georges’ skin to the point that he loses his cool and breaks from a smart gameplan, is going to be disappointed.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the whole "He got angry, he lost because of it" is a little overstated in general
Most pro fighters are above that.
I think Nick will win because he’s more dangerous than GSP, not because GSP will get reckless.
GSP is the anti reckless.
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Yep I agree, except for the crazy part about Nick winning,
but I’m seeing that whole, “Nick is going somehow annoy Georges into doing something stupid” idea, brought up a lot in the MMA fanworld.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz via 4th round sub (triangle)
Watch! :P
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GSP via 3rd round Headkick KO!!!
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No THAT'S crazy!
this aint 2004 bub! ;P
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I like how you
refuse to accept Diaz getting wrestlefucked by Sean Sherk by dismissing it as being 2006 Diaz getting wrestlefucked, but bringing up a fight from 2007 to find a weakness in GSP’s game, and making it seem as though he can’t grow out of it, like Diaz did with his wrestling.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Nov 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz didn't get wrestlefucked
go watch that fight dude.
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Brett Ratner sucks.
seriously…it seems that alot of these diaz haters have just looked up his record online and havent actually seen his previous UFC fights.
by bert44 on Nov 6, 2011 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See, I think that's going to be early impossible for him.
Every low kick he throws he will eat a punch unless he transitions into a TD.
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Nah, Santos was landing them regularly,
until he got tired, and he doesn’t have GSP’s versatility in setting them up. Nick’s going to have a lot to look out for. He won’t even have the reach advantage.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He was landing them regularly, and eating punches for it at least half the time.
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Yeah he was landing them
but Diaz was landing punches, and more of them….alot more.
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Just like how Cyborg at a counter punch every time he threw a low kick?
Oh wait…
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was so mad when Cyborg gassed.
GSP’s problem, leg-kick-wise, will be pulling the trigger with his right leg. It’s gotten to where he very rarely throws off his power side, and certainly not to start an attack, but he’s fast enough to pull it off if he’ll just commit to throwing with the power leg.
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I heard that he fucked up his foot in the Koscheck fight
but I agree… he has good low kicks from both legs, he just needs to let them loose.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Standing I think GSP opens up big time with inside kicks (assuming southpaw Diaz) basically using the Santos gameplan, except with cardio
I would also think that GSP could actually keep range with his jab against the orthodox Diaz that showed up against Penn in the 1st. He’s a helluva lot faster than Penn with that as a lead and not just a counter.
Regardless he’s going to be able to take him down like nothing. His wrestling is lightyears better than anyone Diaz has faced.
Not afraid to nitpick
Agree with 95% of this
But I’m not sure that GSP has a reach advantage. Wikipedia (I know, not the best source) has them both listed at 76", and Diaz is 3" taller.
by Hummus5989 on Nov 3, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah the UFC has Diaz listed at 74 inch reach, and that's not accurate.
There’s an old EliteXC backstage video of the doctors (I guess) doing all the measurables on Diaz, and his reach was listed at 76.2 inches.
I remember cuz that’s my reach too.
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by alicks on Nov 4, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Huh!
Guess I was going by the UFC’s measurements. That takes away a bit more from Georges. Paul Daley also had a 76" reach and by the end of the fight, it didn’t seem like the reach was even at all. Nick will still have the height advantage too, which is a big deal given how much he relies on having a downward angle with his right hook.
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Really good breakdown sir. I’m not especially savvy in any discipline used in fighting, but I am particularly deficient in my understanding of the striking game. Thanks.
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Too much to hope for that "Ev'rything I've Got" replaces "Face the Pain! Rip it Into Pieces!" I suppose.
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Oh god, that would be beautiful. In my dreams, King Mo comes to the UFC and fights Igor “The Duke” Pokrajac, and the video promo is set to " Battle Royal."
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by some schmuck in texas on Nov 4, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Very underrated in her ground game was Fitzgerald, Joe
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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Nov 3, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Great post man
I liked the end where you ask GSP to read your work so he can stop Nick from doing the same thing he always does.
Which is one of the reasons I like him so much:
Every Nick Diaz fight over the last three or four years seems to follow the same pattern:
1. 2 months before the fight everything is calm.
2. Come fight week there are long interviews, rambling, no one knows why Nick Diaz is even fighting still, it’s crazy. His opponent gets much less attention, which I can only guess starts to rile them up. Sometimes Diaz even throws in a few bad words about his opponent, which only riles them up more.
3. Things get heated at the weigh-ins. Words are exchanged, promoters have to separate the fighters. By this time his opponent is suitably infuriated.
4. They enter the cage. His opponent is amped up, so ready to just put a beating on this disrespectful shit. Ref gives pre-fight instructions, Diaz mean mugs. Pride is on the line, no bitching out, it’s fist throwing time.
5. The fight starts. Diaz puts his palms up and says what’s the big deal with you man? It’s settled, he’s getting it now!! His opponent starts to put it on him, just like they knew they would! Adrenaline is pulsing through their veins like Venom through Bane….Until…
6. “Oh shit, he just ate all my best shots and now I’m really tired and getting punched in the face over and over again and oh no this is exactly what happened to the last guy how did I let…this…happen…floor….ref….Times up. Over. Blaoh. Snap back to reality. Nick Diaz just beat my ass.”
And so far it looks like Georges is eating it right up. “The most disrespecful human being I’ve ever met?” “The worst beating of his life”.
All these, uh, dealmakers making deals. Ya know, I don't, all I know is I'm ready to fight so, ya know, I'm sorry I didn't make it to the beauty pageant.
by Luke Nelson on Nov 3, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
The only thing is
Nick Diaz has been doing this to old guys, career journeymen, blown up lightweights, and 1- dimensional strikers… nary a good sized, well rounded, well conditioned welterweight to be seen.
GSP will beat Nick to the punch standing, then deposit his ass onto the canvas, hover over him and drop punches + elbows intermittently while defending Diaz’ inverted guard until Nick eventually scrambles to his feet. Lather/ rinse/ repeat till the final bell, or in the (admittedly unlikely) case that GSP finishes Nick.
But Diaz will make it a fun and interesting fight, and Georges will never be able to rest for a moment.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I know, he’s not faced a real top level welterweight. Yet the fact remains, the fights all look the same.
I think you are right except for the beat him to the punch standing part. If GSP is going to win, hee’s going to take him down just like he took Dan Hardy down. Right away. If he tries to box with him he’s gonna get TKO’d in the first round.
And so the prefight build could very well be the key to the whole fight. If GSP gets riled up and decides that he wants to prove a point to everyone (like he seemed to want to against Koscheck), he’s going to lose in spectacular fashion. If he stays true to himself and uses a smart gameplan, he’ll win how he usually does. In dominant but not particularly violent and brutal fashion.
All these, uh, dealmakers making deals. Ya know, I don't, all I know is I'm ready to fight so, ya know, I'm sorry I didn't make it to the beauty pageant.
Although I should say that it’s possible that GSP thought he had a better chance against Koscheck on the feet, not on the ground. Considering how the fight played out, it’s even likely that this was the case and he wasn’t proving a point at all, but merely doing what he always does, attacking his opponent where they are weakest.
All these, uh, dealmakers making deals. Ya know, I don't, all I know is I'm ready to fight so, ya know, I'm sorry I didn't make it to the beauty pageant.
Word. And the only place Nick is weak is during the takedown.
He either can’t stop going to the canvas or doesn’t care, most likely both.
Regardless, GSP will have to spend considerable time both in Nick’s guard and boxing him.
Contrary to popular belief, GSP cannot spend a full 25 minutes shooting double legs, using up all of his energy while Nick just lets it happen, while using none.
He will find himself stuck in Nick’s guard, and all of a sudden Nick is fresher than he is. UH-OH!
Ima have a stroke.
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So GSP is going to use up a bunch of energy by taking a guy down who uses no energy to defend it?
If you use no energy to defend a TD, it takes no energy to get one.
Not afraid to nitpick
Yes, exploding across a gap and scooping up 180lbs of squirming human being takes a considerable amount of energy.
Getting picked up by someone and wrapping your legs around them takes considerably less.
That’s why little kids are always saying “Carry Me” not “Can I pick you up?”
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by Shotokanman on Nov 3, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And then I imagine getting up from 180 pounds of human on top of you trying to hold you down takes no energy either
Not afraid to nitpick
Georges will get up on his own after 30 seconds of near death experiences.
AKA Nick’s Guard.
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GSP will be able to beat Nick to the punch initially.
All of Nick’s opponents recently have. All it takes is to hang right outside of his reach, draw him into pawing out his lead hand, then coming in with short steps, blasting him with straight punches right down the pipe, and then either exiting the pocket or tying up/ changing levels for a takedown. BJ did it beautifully in the first round, and GSP is both better conditioned at 170 and more disciplined.
And against Koscheck, he wasn’t getting riled up at all. In fact, he was very composed throughout, mercilessly attacking Koscheck in a way that did tons of damage and that Josh had zero answers for. He will do the same to Diaz, whose “mind games” aren’t going to work on a guy as focused as Georges.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They seem to be working already, actually.
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Did Georges seem irked by Koscheck's antics on the show?
Sure. But he kept his cool the whole time and whooped up on him in the cage. I don’t know why you think Nick will be able to get inside Georges’ head with trash talk when noone else ever has before. GSP’s biggest mistakes have come from overconfidence, if anything.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Kos' Shit talking ability is nothing compared to the infuriating antics of Nick Diaz.
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Does bleeding count as "antics"?
:)
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
If bleeding with your hands up as if asking “What, bitch? Where is it? Cuz I don’t fuckin see it HOMIE!” BAM
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Is considered "Antics".
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Haha.
The build up to this is gonna be so much fun. At least we’re both going to be riding the Dragonwagon next month.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I will be at the Head of the Vanguard
wearing a feathered head dress, drinking my own piss.
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by Shotokanman on Nov 3, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
For once,
I get the feeling that Lyoto will be the people’s choice:), at least for the first time since he fought Rashad anyway.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP is too disciplined IMO
He won’t lose his head just because Nick Diaz doesn’t show up to pressers, smokes pot, calls him a wuss, whatever. For some reason, Georges doesn’t look too infuriated here
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
The forced smile, the headshaking…. Look how tense his shoulders are.
At the end of that .gif GSP looks quite pissed actually.
I see fear in his eyes. Especially if you cover the lower half of his face.
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by Shotokanman on Nov 3, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 3, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh my gentle Jesus.
right click
save
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Brett Ratner sucks.
Dude I'm old school Hendricks.
Firefly up in this bitch.
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by Shotokanman on Nov 4, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
YoSaffBridge.
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by gzl5000 on Nov 5, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
She was soooo fine in Firefly.
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you have some good points but come the f on man diaz is no koscheck. koschecks standup is SO PREDICTABLE i was dissapointed by that fight but i was glad GSP finally exposed koschecks amateur boxing skills other than a powerful looping right hand. Diaz will be much of a tougher task for george to handle in the standup department.
Yet the fact remains, the fights all look the same.
This is exactly the reason I started the “How to Out-Strike” series back in May (1, 2, and 3). It was maddening, as someone who very much dislikes Nick Diaz, to see him beating opponent after opponent by doing the exact same thing and having each one fall into the same traps. Does no one scout this guy? I had to find out why the same thing kept happening, hence the thousands of words and dozens of gifs from a Diaz hater, all dedicated to explaining why he’s so good.
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by gzl5000 on Nov 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
watching a diaz fight and breaking it down is one thing……actually stepping into the ring and outstriking him is another…..you are not smarter than these fighters or their trainers..it looks different on the outside.. i dont think you know what its like to have diaz pawing at your face and body with combinations while you cant even reach him.
BJ definitely did his homework
But lacked the stamina to execute it over 3 rounds.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
Even with the switch to southpaw, had BJ’s cardio held up I think he could’ve taken it.
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Nope.
Body shots kill cardio.
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Definitely.
But in the first, BJ was able to keep Diaz from landing many because he stayed off the fence and countered intelligently. We saw at the beginning of the 3rd what happened when Diaz threw a body shot with no set-up.
BJ was hitting Diaz back with body shots as well in the 1st, then started to headhunt in the 2nd when his cardio went and panic set in. The more limited his attack got, the more easily Nick defended and set up his own body shots.
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As GZL said
Diaz wasn’t landing the big body shots until he opened up in the 2’nd.
BJ just isn’t fit at welterweight. He never has had 3 round cardio at 170.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
What an awesome post, really. I’d eat up technical breakdowns like this every day if I could. The slow downs were fantastic as well, really highlighting some impressive head movement from BJ. You’re brilliant, really. I’d really enjoy a similar breakdown of some boxers over at BadLeftHook too.
I should add, I’m shamefully uninformed about the current state of boxing outside maybe a few of the more famous fighters you could name off the top of your head. I’m getting into it more though, maybe I’ll try some breakdowns there once I feel more knowledgeable.
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Great piece! Thanks!
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Nov 3, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Great job. Rec'd with good reason,
Also, thanks for posting all the gifs. Will be stealing this for a fanpost.
No prob!
Happy to contribute to your work, I feel you’re probably the most consistently high-quality fanposter on BE.
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Quicktime Pro, http://gifninja.com/, and photobucket for hosting. It’s easiest to just cut short video (3-5 seconds) snippets that you want to make into gifs and upload those to gifninja, because it does it automatically. For some reason though, the site got really weird about that method after I made one or two and would make a gif of the 2 seconds of video from just before the clip I uploaded. Kinda bizarre.
When that happened, I had to made the same video snippet and use the “export to image” feature in quicktime pro, then upload the hundred or so images generated to gifninja. Had to do some math occasionally too, since the upload limit is 130 images, so depending on the length of the video clip, I had to set the export to fewer frames per second to make it fit. The “turning point” gif in particular is way shorter than I wanted it, that was the longest I could get it given the upload limit. Anyway, after gifninja finished creating a gif, I’d download it to my desktop and then upload it to photobucket.
Hope that makes sense! There are other ways (apparently) to make gifs, like using gimp, but this one seems quickest and easiest to me.
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Beautiful Work man.
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Great post. This kind of stuff is why i regularly visit BE
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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Nov 3, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
Excellent write up.
Right after I saw the fight, I was instantly excited for a judo chop breakdown in the future. but you got this out quick! Great gifs and analysis man, really impressive. Looking through all these gifs, this fight has so much highlight material for both fighters.
Does anybody else think BJ could've gone for a twister when he took down Diaz?
I am no technical ground wizard, but to me it seemed like the only thing BJ had to do was lock up the leg, get Diaz’s arm behind him and pull Diaz’s head.
Yep, in the Gracie breakdown they talked about the potential for a twister...
…the key step would have been keeping the underhook that he had on Diaz’s right arm. Diaz was keeping BJ from getting both hooks in with his legs and BJ chose to punch him, hoping that Diaz would bring his right hand up to block and allow BJ to get the second hook.
If he had kept the underhook and worked Diaz’s arm behind his head he would have been in twister position. I’m not sure how difficult this would have been or what.
All these, uh, dealmakers making deals. Ya know, I don't, all I know is I'm ready to fight so, ya know, I'm sorry I didn't make it to the beauty pageant.
by Luke Nelson on Nov 4, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you watch most of Diaz fights
his opponent usually gets the better of him at the beginning. The moment Diaz gets his opponent next to the cage he lands 3 or so body punches and the fight completely changes. It happens in practically everyone of Diaz fights.
Wow
Not taking away from the good work of others, I can’t recall a better fan post than this one. Other than Dallas Winston’s dissections, I’m having a hard time thinking of anyone who posts reliably at this level. It’s like this should be on an instructional DVD.
Absolutely awesome.
.....
Diaz is a great outside boxer (for MMA)
That being said, he got nailed pretty often by BJ on the inside in round 1 (i.e. before BJ semi-gassed).
Diaz isn't even close to being an outside fighter,
he’s a textbook swarmer.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
The 1st round was an outside fight, and Diaz lost it (maybe intentionally). The very first thing Diaz did to open the 2nd was stand within a foot of BJ and dare him to swing.
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Diaz didn't lose anything intentionally
he just isn’t a very explosive guy, and fighters who are built more towards explosion will always have an edge over Diaz early.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 6, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
That was probably too strong a statement.
But Diaz’s coming out orthodox makes me wonder if he didn’t plan to let BJ get comfortable and find his range in the first, while being less active himself. There was a very distinct switch in intensity as well as stance heading into the second.
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To be sure
Nick was definitely looking to wear BJ out. It’s why he clinched and threw to the body so often.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 6, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Diaz ever worries about winning rounds.
He’s said as much.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
Brett Ratner sucks.
He wins rounds by whoopin ass!
Except for the rounds where he doesn’t whoop much ass… therein lies the secret to beating him. Do stuff to stop him from whooping your ass.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's so simple!
Learn JiuJitsu.
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Brett Ratner sucks.
by RolloTomasi on Nov 6, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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