UFC 139 Judo Chop: Cung Le and the Sanshou Spinning Back Kick
At UFC 139 this weekend, UFC fans will be introduced to Cung Le. The former Strikeforce Middleweight champion will face Wanderlei Silva in the night's semi-main event. But between this being his UFC debut and the fact that he has had only one fight in the past two years, Le may be something of an unknown for fans at home (not for fans at the show though - expect Le to receive a hero's welcome in his adopted home of San Jose).
The big word UFC fans will hear throughout Le's fight? "Sanshou." That's the fighting style employed by Cung Le - a style that he has absolutely mastered, but that no one else has used with any degree of effectiveness in MMA. Le is, in many ways, a throwback to the earliest days of MMA, when a practitioner of a somewhat obscure martial art would come in and try to represent his art form against all comers. The big difference is that most of these early arts failed, where Le has found good MMA success with his style.
So what exactly is Sanshou? Well...
Sanshou is a martial art which was originally developed by the Chinese military based upon the intense study and practices of traditional Kung Fu and modern combat fighting techniques; it combines full-contact kickboxing, which include punches and kicks, wrestling, takedowns, throws, sweeps, kick catches, and in some competitions, even elbow and knee strikes.
Amongst martial arts purists, the idea of Sanshou is a bit controversial. The name is, at times, used interchangeably with Sanda and Wushu, though not everyone agrees with lumping these together. There's also the idea that, somewhat like Bruce Le's Jeet Kune Do, Sanshou is not a style unto itself, but rather a system of how to effectively use martial arts. It's a complex and fascinating debate, but it also is a somewhat separate issue. What is more important to the UFC fan is simply this - "How does Cung Le use Sanshou in MMA?"
There are two key aspects of Sanshou that play a part in Le's MMA game: takedowns and kicks. Despite being perceived at times as more of a standing art, Sanshou does use takedowns as one of the primary attacks. Kid Nate already broke down Le's superb use of Sanshou takedowns in MMA in an earlier Judo Chop, and I highly encourage you to check that one out here.
In this edition, we'll break down the other key Sanshou weapon - kicks. And for Cung Le, no Sanshou kick is more effective than the spinning back kick. Let's take a look at the traditional spinning back kick, and see how Le uses Sanshou to adapt it and make it an even more dangerous weapon.
Full breakdown, with gifs, after the jump.

First up, let's take a look at the traditional spinning back kick, as executed by one of today's best practitioners of this strike - Dennis Siver. To execute the kick, Siver turns his head and body in the direction of his power leg - Siver is standing in orthodox stance, so he rotates to his right. With his back to his opponent, Siver brings the rear leg up, cocking his knee. He completes the rotation, ending with his shoulders perpendicular to his opponent's body, and extends the kick forward and through the opponent's midsection. Done correctly and cleanly, it's a brutal blow that can earn a KO.
Le uses the spinning back kick frequently, but he has added some variations on it that utilize his Sanshou background. I encourage you to first take a look at this great Cung Le spinning back kick highlight video that incorporates footage from Human Weapon:
Those clips give you an idea of some of Le's spinning kicks, but let's take a closer look at some of those back kicks, particularly from his Strikeforce fight with Scott Smith.

First up, here is what I would call a switch spinning back kick. Le starts in southpaw with his left leg back. He starts by stepping forward with that left leg, switching to orthodox stance. But as he makes that step, he also brings that right foot directly in front of his left and starts his rotation. From there, the rest of the kick is basically the same as Siver's - Le lifts the right leg, rotates through, and blasts it into Smith. Notice how the force of the blow knocks Smith into the cage and down. This is a great kick for two reasons. First, that extra step increases the rotation, which is where the spinning back kick gets its force. With the extra rotation, the kick can be more powerful. Second, look how well Lee extends his leg, getting it perfectly straight as he connects. That sends the force entirely into Smith and knocks him off balance. Interestingly, Le also changes up his target here. Normally this kick targets the midsection, but here Le goes more to the chest. Smith partially blocks it, but the momentum still is enough to drop him. That's also a very dangerous block for Smith, as it can easily result in a fractured arm, as Frank Shamrock can attest.

Here is another good kick that is similar to the last one. Again, Le starts in south paw, steps forward to switch to orthodox, and with that same motion throws the kick. This time though he goes to the midsection, driving his heel into Smith's stomach and knocking the wind out of him. Notice that on this kick, Le is very close to Smith as the kick lands, and so unlike the previous kick, he keeps the kick more cocked until it is in position, then fires it, again getting good extension. To land this kick so close gives it extra power, and part of the way Le gets so close is again with his switch to orthodox.
One last note here - notice how he uses punches to set up the kick. Cung Le talked about this as one of his strategies for the fight - to get Smith moving back with punches, them chase him down with the kicks. It works beautifully here, as Smith starts to retreat, and also keeps his hands up to avoid more punches, leaving a hole in his defenses to the body.

This time, Le starts in the orthodox stance, so the spinning back kick begins more traditionally. But at the end, Le adds his own twist by bringing the kick up to the head. You see this move in kickboxing sometimes (Badr Hari famously KO'd Stefan Leko in K-1 with this same kick) but it's very rare in MMA. Smith is unsure how to block and ends up taking it on the side of the head. One small detail I don't love here is the way Le abandons his footwork and stance after the kick in order to chase Smith down. It allows him to close the distance faster and keep up the assault, but I don't love the idea of allowing yourself to be so exposed.

And finally, one last example. This one again targets the head. Here you can really see how Le's ability to change his target confuses his opponent. Smith does not know where the kick is coming and so actually defends by lifting his leg in what looks like an attempt to check a leg kick. These Sanshou kicks are totally confusing him, leaving him defenseless and very vulnerable. The speed on this kick is incredible too - no set up, just a fast, perfect spinning back kick. Finally, I love how Le gets that right foot immediately down and back into position right after the kick lands. He is right back in stance, ready to continue the fight.
Will Wanderlei Silva see some of these kicks at UFC 139? And if he does, will he have an answer for them? I certainly hope we find out.
Want more Cung Le Sanshou action? Here is a nice Sanshou demonstration:
And here's his MMA debut from the first Strikeforce show:
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Thanks for posting. Interesting read.
The speed:
Le’s fast execution is something that really sets him apart from other fighters using a spinning back kick.
Will Wanderlei Silva see some of these kicks at UFC 139?
Ok, fair enough, he will see “some” of them.
And if he does, will he have an answer for them?
I’m sure there is an answer to nullify or avoid Le’s kicks but is Wanderlei Silva able to do something about it at this point of his career?
I can’t wait to watch. All of Cung Le’s fights have been very interesting.
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Hopefully Wandy just puts his guard up walks right up to Cung and takes him down then submits him. If he tries to pull a Frank Shamrock and put on a fun fight for the fans he will get Knocked the F Out.
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If Silva can crowd Le..
and make him fight in a phone booth, than this should be a great night for fans of The Axe Murderer. Otherwise, it’ll probably a be a slow dissection by Le.
Remember whe nyowere a kid playing a game like Street Fighter or Soul Caliber and there was a friend playing with you that just kept doing the same move over and over...& although it was effective it was annoying.
Sometimes, thats what Cung Le reminds me of… just sayin’.
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Repeatedly using the same move and button mashing fun……. quite annoying
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by SentientAndroid on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
So, Sanshou is essentially
kickboxing/standup fighting along with takedowns and throws and etc minus any sort of following to the ground?
So, to oversimplify…MMA minus the ground game?
I like Cung Le just fine…but to me, this fight would be SOOOOOO much more interesting if Le was still undefeated coming into the fight.
That would be cool.
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Great article! I think the 2nd to last GIF is a spinning heel kick though.
Le talks about it in his Sanshou book, where it’s called a spinning wheel kick.
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At first glance, I thought the same thing...
But when he chambers after the kick, his knee is pointing away from Smith. Usually a heel/hook/wheel kick ends with your kicking leg’s knee pointing at your opponent.
The gif is quick, so it’s hard to tell if he chambers before the kick as well. In some TMA, a heel\hook\wheel kick doesn’t chamber at all, and the leg just swings up and then down. Doesn’t look like that what’s happening here, but it’s hard to tell.
lol Scott Smith…
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by Patrick Tenney on Nov 18, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions
Style vs. Style
This whole fight is a great throwback to early UFC: style vs. style. On one side, you have Wandy’s absolutely murderous Muay Thai, and on the other, Le’s slick Sanshou. I can’t wait to see how this goes down.
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by some schmuck in texas on Nov 18, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions
Man. I still get just a little depressed every time I see, hear, or think about Bruce Lee. We could’ve easily had large scale competitive Professional MMA for 30+yrs by now if he hadn’t been lost to us so early.
Also acceptable.
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by some schmuck in texas on Nov 18, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
SanShou/Sanda/Wushu............
Sanda…basically means “free fighting”. In China its called Sanda. Wushu is the term for sport Kung Fu. It encompasses all forms of Kung Fu. Weapons, Forms etc..Wushu sparing is Sanda….but the rules may not always be the same. Sanshou is generally used by western speakers.
Sanshou rules in Kickboxing does not allow elbows or knees. Sanda rules sometimes allows elbows and knees.
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sounds like you... would perhaps ...
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 18, 2011 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The last gif
Smith isn’t bringing his leg up to check a kick, you can see a small flash of his foot. He was so flabbergasted by his movements that he was throwing a push kick to try and stay out of range. Good write up, that Siver kick is beautiful.
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by Genki Sudo's Choreographer on Nov 18, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions
ALSO...
Draka, a Russian verion of kickboxing, is very similar. Some of Cung Le’s pro kickboxing fights were actually under Draka rules…not SanShou.
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Terminology
To be nitpicky, it’s not really a style variation of the same kick as there are styles that utilize both.
For example, in Kyokushin karate (and probably other styles of karate as well) the Siver kick is an “ushiro geri” or “back kick”. The Cung Le kick is an “ushiro mawashi geri” or “reverse roundhouse kick”.
Odds are thar Sanshou has both kicks as well.
My TKD dojang...
has creatively labeled them “reverse-side-kick” and “step-through-reverse-side-kick.”
lol you're the first person i saw saying "dojang" instead of "dojo"
dojang is how koreans say “dojo”
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Cung Le, to be nitpicky.......
Doesnt really practice SanShou…Its really Taekwondo. He uses his Taekwondo and wrestling base, and applies it to the SanShou rules.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Nov 18, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I don't understand labeling him a stylist
He has a solid striking and wrestling game, and probably knows a thing or two about submissions. It seems silly to call the guy a throwback.
um....
I sincerely doubt he last too long on the mat with a bjj blackbelt alpha male. Damian Maia would sub him in moments on the ground.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 18, 2011 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Who said that?
I never implied that he could. The point I was making was that he is hardly a one trick pony.
We have never seen his BJJ game..he was a very good wrestler, so his ground game is probably pretty good. Maybe not Damian Maia level…but he would probably hold his own.
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wrestlers get subbed quite a bit....and he was a high school wrestler. he has never faced a ground fighter except shamrock, who traded with him
I say if he wins this He is to be fed the archangel of leg locks to atone for his sins against faded legends. Paul Harris
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 18, 2011 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was a Junior college wrestling champ....
Not NCAA DIv 1 maybe….but still more that just high school level
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thats still solid.
I thought I read he was just he was just a high school state champ. Which is still solid, and a jc champ is even better. I still wanna see him with a ground specialist.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 18, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve heard word from Bay Area grappling people that he’s surprisingly difficult to deal with on the ground.
Maia would likely get the better of Le, but I doubt it’s that quick.
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really ??
Wouldn’t have figured.
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by the-gentle-way on Nov 18, 2011 2:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
These are gif's from their rematch correct?
I remember watching the fight and thinking that Cung could easily mix up his spinning attacks with an elbow or fist instead. Like if he had his opponent backing up against the cage while he’s in the first few frames of his “step-in” spinning kick, he could’ve utilized an elbow or fist instead because the distance would be closed due to his opponent’s back being up against the cage.
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by SentientAndroid on Nov 18, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions
i was thinking the same thing but smith got hit with like 95% of the spinning kicks
so why not keep it up haha?
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by SentientAndroid on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
especially
when trading in close quarters didn’t do cung any favors in their first fight.
by Armleglegarm Head on Nov 18, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
One very interesting Sanda practicioner that is just getting into MMA now is Dagestan’s Muslim Magomedovich Salihov, a 27 year old multiple world champion. In one of his first modified MMA rules bouts in China, he hilariously dumped his opponent over the top rope
song of the first video is giving me a headache
what the fuck!!
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by DK_Monster on Nov 18, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
3:50 of his MMA debut: RIGHT ON THE BUTTON
also he doesn’t tuck his legs when he flips OLOLOL
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by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Nov 18, 2011 7:17 PM EST reply actions
Does anyone have the gif of him doing a spinning back kick against Shamrock that misses but in the same spin follows with a spinning back fist that connects. That’s one of my favorite moves ever
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or rather he goes for a back kick which is blocked and immediately spins back with a back fist that connects. bad ass.
At 1:20 of this video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nInaTMNAvAU
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the 360 spinning back kick packs less power, it is a flying kick and you don’t have the support of your front leg. Anyway it is really difficult to pull out with the power and strength Le does,but is also more unpredictable and tricky.
Agile and flexible fighter with a strong core should use it more often, is not only a flashy move, can be effective.
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Nov 19, 2011 8:54 AM EST reply actions

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