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UFC 139: Embracing the Beautiful Violence of Mixed Martial Arts

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It's necessary to do all the talking we do about TV ratings, pay-per-view buys, stupid tweets, banal fighter interviews and so on. But when it comes down to it, nothing quite compares to a great night of fights. While many of us (myself included, obviously) have grown fond of the day-to-day newsgrind and even to the over-analysis of every little thing, it wouldn't be worth it without nights of violent conflict between great athletes.

Despite the fact that UFC 139 isn't likely to break 300,000 pay-per-view buys, continuing the rather disappointing trend for the UFC in 2011, I can't bring myself to talk about it. This despite low buyrates being something I couldn't help but focus on with the tremendous UFC 136 card.

It all probably boils down to the human factor. While UFC 136 was a card where one could focus on the skill, UFC 139 is a card filled with potential violence. Not an unskilled, toughman-esque, forced "let's get Fight of the Night" dishonest kind of violence, but men who made careers at the top of the game through beautiful displays of savagery.

Star-divide

Men like Mauricio Rua and his time in PRIDE as a whirlwind of fists, elbows and feet, Dan Henderson unloading his right hand on the jaws of his opponents, Wanderlei Silva smashing everyone in his path, Brian Bowles and his go-for-broke go-for-the-finish style...these are the men who create the emotional reactions. Hell, even Stephan Bonnar and his Micky Ward impersonation (middling talent prone to wars and the occasional meaningful victories and frequent letdowns) is making an appearance on the card to add the necessary splash of blood to the canvas.

 

It's something we often shy away from embracing to the fullness we want to. There's the worry that the Bob Reillys of the world will see it as some sort of validation of their antiquated (and politically motivated) stances.

It forces us to hide behind "but the skill!" and "these are great athletes!" and it's true, the sport at its best is a showcase of skill and athleticism. But so is Olympic boxing and you couldn't pay me to sit through 2 hours of Facebook fights, an hour on Spike and three hours of a pay-per-view to watch that display of athleticism.

 

An appreciation of skill is important, but so is an embrace of the violence

Saturday night is going to be a night that reminds us of the "other side" of our fandom. The one we all know exists but that we hide away out of fear of judgement.

But it's time we embrace it vocally. Mike Tyson didn't become a star because of his great trunk movement, Diego Corrales vs. Jose Luis Castillo isn't a classic fight because of footwork and angling and the Thrilla in Manila wasn't a great fight because Ali and Frazier both threw punches correctly. The specific moments we remember forever in the fight game are those where the skill involved gave way to violence and passion.

Embrace the violence, MMA fans. Because I have a feeling we're going to see a lot of it Saturday night. And it's going to be great.

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This card is gonna be all blood and guts.

In referrence to Bonnar, that man can’t buy pants. His balls are too big.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Bonnar/Kingsbu, and Kampmann/Story are not gonna be for the faint of heart.

Bonnar is gonna bring the ruckus, and Kampmann is gonna go Hanibal the Canibal on Story.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

And this is how he walks out

"To me, the function and duty of a quality human being is the sincere and honest development of one's potential." - Bruce Lee

by Genki Sudo's Choreographer on Nov 17, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

One of the best post fight gifs ever.

I don’t understand how anyone can not love Bonnar.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, and...

he’s never, ever been stopped in a bout. A few TKO’s due to cuts, but not a “real” stoppage. And the only man to go the distance with Jon Jones… think about that for a bit…

by Atomic Salmon on Nov 17, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Andre Gusmao also went 3 rounds.

"If it's undisputed, what's all the fighting about?"

by Ephemeral Artery on Nov 17, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

For as much as they won’t directly admit it, fans of combat sports love violence. Why do people look back on Pride nostalgically? Because their rules encouraged fighters to bring the violence with knees, soccer kicks, and stomps. Personally, I think if Pride allowed elbows they would have had the perfect set of rules.

Honestly, I think now that MMA has grown we need to legalize knees and kicks to the head of grounded opponent. I think we need to give fighters more tools to finish instead of having people play this bullshit knee or hand on the mat game.

by discoandherpes on Nov 17, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

I like the Unified Rules myself.

Soccer kicks and stomps are brutal.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a fan of stomps personally, but knees and kicks undoubtedly make for a better product. Sure kicking a guy in the face is brutal, but no more brutal than elbowing his face into a bloody mess or snapping a limb off with a slick submission.

by discoandherpes on Nov 17, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know man some of those old Pride fights are rough.

Coleman crushing someones skull with knees from north/south is scary. I kinda like the game they play with the three point stance, keeps every one in the sport mentality as opposed to the kill a motherfucker mentality.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I couldn’t disagree more. This is a violent sport, whether you have these rules in place or not. You might as well simulate actual fighting as closely as possible. Not to mention that a lot of those Pride fights were brutal to watch because they were mismatches. Of course watching Sakuraba get beatdown was uncomfortable because he should have never been fighting guys like Arona and Silva in the first place. I’m not a Pride never die nutthugger (there are a lot of things I hated about Pride), but the rules were almost perfect and gave us a ton of classic fights.

The three point stance is a disgrace to fighting.

by discoandherpes on Nov 17, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't like MMA being associated with "actual fighting" it's a violent sport yes but it's still a sport.

Don’t get me wrong Stephan Bonnar and Chuck Liddell are two of my favorite fighters ever, them being violent madmen in the cage is why. But I don’t want to see someone get uneciserily hurt. I think Pride knew knew that those stikes could get excesive so that’s why you saw a lot of pre emptive stoppages.

All and all it’s just a matter of taste.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

You might as well simulate actual fighting as closely as possible.

Define “as closely as possible”. “Actual fighting” involves eye-gouging, biting, fish-hooking, finger-breaking, nut-smashing, etc. To be a sanctioned sport, there have to be some type of arbitrary limitations. Where do you, personally, draw the line?

I agree that the three-point stance is a disgrace, and would like to see the rules changed in some way to discredit that. Doesn’t necessarily have to be allowing knees and kicks though, just change the definition of “grounded”.

by skeebop on Nov 17, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

The Three point stance adds gamesmanship to it.

I like it, you have to be sneaky other wise you could lose a point.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s probably the most retarded thing I’ve read all day.

by discoandherpes on Nov 17, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Well The Doors suck so there.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As closely as possible while keeping the holds and strikes that require technique. For example eye gouging, biting, ect. aren’t techniques that require any particular skill to implement and are moves that can end a career very easily.

Knees and kicks are different. They’re martial arts techniques that require skill to implement.

by discoandherpes on Nov 17, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Great piece Brent

Not to be a dick but, just so you can fix it…….

Saturday night is going to be a nice that reminds us of the “other side” of our fandom.

penis head kick me...

by Earl Montclair on Nov 17, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

Writing an article at 2:30am so that there’s something ready to go at 9am is a good idea in theory, not always in practice.

Managing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 17, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hahahhhaa

ahh Skeletor I shaved my legs for you tonight,
and if you see my cock I hope you go in fright.
ahh Skeletor you made me do some coke,
ahhh I'm up all night and its no joke.

by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Nov 17, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Love me some Violence.

The reason I love MMA is because if Lebron doesnt feel like working on a tuesday night against the Cavs (lockout I know. not happening), he can jog, phone it in and still make bank. If Shogun doesnt feel like working on Saturday, hes getting a right hand bomb to the face. That my friends is why I watch.

by Adam Reichental on Nov 17, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

So Bob Sapp and Albert Haynesworth are the same person, I knew it.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I fully embrace it.

I love the technique, but the violence is what got me there. If you don’t have a martial arts background, and you turn on a Fitch fight as your first one, I doubt you’re going to go “wow, I should continue watching this gentleman’s match!”

I remember fondly the first fight I saw- Spencer Fisher vs. Thiago Alves. Random, I know, but some guy was showing it to me. And that…that’s where I fell in love with jiu jitsu.

by Body Triangle on Nov 17, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

One of the early MMA fights that got me into the sport (Other than Bonnar/Griffan)

Don Frye and Yoshihiro Takayama, I had never seen anything like that in my life.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

No one has ever seen anything like that, and likely none of us will again. Such a wild moment.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Nov 17, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It's one of the fights I show new MMA fans when I'm schooling them.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Nuff Said.

I'm not as drunk as pdl

Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher

by Chris Hall on Nov 17, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

So, SO awesome

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by dgonz on Nov 17, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It's played but appropriate

“Not a single fuck was given that day”"

You couldn’t fill a bottle cap with the amount of fucks Don Frye couldn’t give.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If you had an electron microscope aimed at Don Frye...

you would not be able to find a single molecule that gave a fuck.

If your wife owes money to Jackie Treehorn... that means you owe money to Jackie Treehorn.

by John Danaher's Hair on Nov 17, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Don Frye made the honey badger give a shit.

Signed, Pick'em Champs 2011-2012: Michael Jordanesque in our picking skills.

by mountaineers101 on Nov 17, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

you know how you know it's awesome?

It made Japanese fans smile and clap DURING a fight. They all then went to Roppongi to the Dick Nurse bar.

If your wife owes money to Jackie Treehorn... that means you owe money to Jackie Treehorn.

by John Danaher's Hair on Nov 17, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That does say it all.

That was one of the coolest things about those old Pride fights. You could hear a pin drop. Like Shogun/Nog, that was one of the best fights Pride ever put on and I don’t remember a sound other than leather against skull.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

First thing that came into my head was this

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Nov 17, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

What is that?

I’m at work, no video.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a song.

Can’t Wait for Violence by Nothingface

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Nov 17, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Never got into them.

Didn’t they break up and half the guys went to Hellyeah?

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think so.

I hate that guy’s voice so much.

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Nov 17, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

When Mudvayne first came out they had a few songs that were alright.

Hellyeah is shit though. Like Damageplan Hellyeah just feels like a waste of talent.

 Anyone else notice that when the NFL is introducing the defense this year they play “Walk”

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Tim Burke is gonna be mad

Seriously though, great article. We absolutely torture ourselves trying to convince people that we aren’t savages.

I love the technique and skill of MMA and boxing, but I also love watching two bad men try to hurt one another. Fighting is core to the human experience, and activates a very primal aspect of our nature.

When I competed in martial arts, I always really appreciated my opponents, because they were giving me something I needed — specifically the opportunity to try to harm someone without moral or legal consequence.

Admitting you are attracted to violence doesn’t make you a bad person, or a knuckle-dragging “just bleed” type, it makes you a human being.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Nov 17, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Sometimes people just want to watch an assbeating

It’s definitely part of being a normal, high-functioning human. The people who shy away from even witnessing violence are mentally ill.

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Nov 17, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Hey- if we’re allowed to love controlled violence, people can hate it without being mentally ill. It’s the people who who dedicate their lives to telling people like us that we’re defective for enjoying such a barbaric sport or stand in a pulpit and preach The Word and then are found to be having deviant sex with domesticated plants and animals in a shack in Wyoming that are the sickies. Speaking of which, I need to get to the florist today…

If your wife owes money to Jackie Treehorn... that means you owe money to Jackie Treehorn.

by John Danaher's Hair on Nov 17, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I have a close friend that is completely turned off by MMA and is a huge football fan. “How can you cheer when someone’s getting beaten into the ground?” … Then she proceeds to jump out of her seat in exhilaration when the opposing teams QB gets steamrolled by a 250lb athlete slamming into his chest at full speed.

We’re all fascinated by violence, most people just can’t admit it.

"To me, the function and duty of a quality human being is the sincere and honest development of one's potential." - Bruce Lee

by Genki Sudo's Choreographer on Nov 17, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Same reason every one loves Ray Lewis.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

The best thing about television is the ability to deliver violence to me in a palatable way.

"You've got Floyd Mayweather making $25 million. He can't stop a double-leg..." Nick Diaz.

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by pud333 on Nov 17, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

That's what I use youtube for

Minus the palatable

Don't be scared Gomi...

by ThatsHowIRoll on Nov 17, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

At least he admits to not liking boxing as well.

I don’t mind critics who are against all combat sports; if competitive violence isn’t your thing, then so be it. It’s the critics who draw a distinction between boxing, wrestling, judo or tkd as acceptable, and MMA as an amoral bastardization of all that is good and noble about combat sports… those are the critics that need to be silenced.

by skeebop on Nov 17, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS MAN IS MY HERO!

Seriously. There is nothing wrong with accepting your primal side and forgetting it all to watch some ridiculous violence. Why else would ANYONE watch Leonard Garcia fight? Unless you like watching robberies.

Signed, Pick'em Champs 2011-2012: Michael Jordanesque in our picking skills.

by mountaineers101 on Nov 17, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

This might seen outta place, but Since there’s pix of Bonnar up top, I think not.

The wikipeida listing for “iron chin” DID NOT have Chris Leben listed… I’ve since edited it, but that is quite strange considering all the others listed.

by Atomic Salmon on Nov 17, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Good article

I like the Bonnar Ward comparison. I don’t see these fights going the distance. I hope Wand at least makes a fight of it.. I really really don’t want to see him go out again. I think if shogun can stay away from Hendersons right the fight is his.

by bert44 on Nov 17, 2011 1:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Hendo is gonna shoot in this one.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 17, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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