UFC's Phil Davis Offers Thoughts on Penn State Rape Scandal and Joe Paterno's Firing
by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2011 11:57 AM EST
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PrintThe Penn State/Jerry Sandusky child rape scandal has been front page news for well over a week now featuring twists and turns and seemingly more horrible news by the day. While ESPN attempted to say that the "healing has begun" because PSU played a football game, this isn't a story that is going anywhere any time soon.
Joe Paterno's firing was the easier part of the story for most to follow as he is a legend in the coaching ranks who was let go for his looking the other way when told that someone witnessed Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy.
MMA Weekly spoke to the UFC's Phil Davis, a Penn State alum, to get his thoughts on the situation at his alma mater:
"At the end of the day it's just sad for the children involved and I hate to see Joe Pa (Joe Paterno) removed because of this, he's had such a long career and to have someone like him, ultimately, I suspect he's going to be remembered for the way he left, under these circumstances and that's really not fair,"
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"I think he did what he could," Davis said about Paterno. "In jobs, we have protocol, and I think he followed protocol. Whether he agreed with decisions that were made, especially in a university job, you really don't have control over what goes on.
"If you're in a law enforcement position and your superior says let so and so go, you've got to follow your protocol. You can't just go ‘this is the law and I want to play this the way I want to play it.'"
First of all, someone in the UFC should probably tell its fighters to go with "no comment" on these situations.
The idea that Paterno "did what he could" because he "followed protocol" is absurd. The protocol in any job when you are told that someone is raping children is to call the police, not keep it in-house and then allow the individual in question to continue being around children at your university.
Even if you're in law enforcement and you're told to "let so and so go" if it is a case where he is being let go because of his standing in the community and there is a refusal to investigate, you don't just back off. There are actual legal protocols for that.
Regardless, this wasn't law enforcement, it was a state university and to act as though there is any "right" thing to do that doesn't involve getting the police involved is absurd.
For those looking for more on the Penn State situation, the SB Nation blog Black Shoe Diaries has covered the situation very well.
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who says “slow news day?” or “just looking for traffic” just to be clear.
This is a part of the larger Penn State story. How alumni, students, former athletes..etc. have reacted to the situation. The excuse making for Paterno..etc.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions
LOL someone woke up on the wrong side of the internet today.
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Bullshit, Davis. All this excuse making has to stop.
If it were your child, you’d want him to call the goddamned police.
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by pud333 on Nov 15, 2011 11:11 AM EST reply actions 16 recs
EXACTLY. Succint and to the point.
If anyone’s child was getting fellated or anally raped by an old man, you don’t want anyone following this vague “university protocol.” You want them to call the cops.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
the best strategy for someone who is a Penn State grad is to say nothing, but if you must make a comment speak to the victims first and then say it is a crummy way for a great career to end but you can see that it is the way it has to be.
anything else just makes you look bad. Come on guys this is P/R 101
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Couldn't agree more!!!
If your child was raped, I doubt he would say Paterno did the right thing. Overall a very sad story but I can’t help but feel Paterno didn’t do enough. And anyone who knows how things work in Penn St. know that Paterno was like God at the school. He could have done a lot more!
by Fedornuthugger on Nov 15, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
You would want somebody to call the police
It is not clear that this is Paterno’s fault. We have no idea what specifically was said between McQueary and Paterno so we don’t even really know what he knew. Also he told Gary Schulz who is the head of the campus police. In many, but not all, IDK about Penn State, university police are divisions of the state police.
So I think passing this off on him is unfair not knowing what he knew and knowing he told both the athletic director and the head of the campus police. McQueary seems to take more of the blame for not doing something right then and considering he witnessed it to not follow up on it more to make sure something was done. Also Schulz seems to be a big part of the blame because he is the one who should have investigated this although we don’t for sure what he was even told.
I work in the Philadelphia suburbs at a major financial/insurance company. We have TONS of Penn State grads and the amount of excuses they have for Joe Pa and PSU is sickening.
^ THIS
All I’ve heard from PSU Alum and current students is fucking excuses. They act like somehow they or Joe Pa are the victims in all of this. They should have immediately fired the whole fuckin staff and anyone associated with/or had ANY knowings of this at any level.
by PelvicThrust on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Im a PSU student currently and I've agreed with everything that has happened so far including the firing of JoePa.... you should see how small of a minority I am though. School spirit < kids ... i dont think my school understands that really.
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by InfamousProfessorPlum on Nov 15, 2011 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I got a graduate degree from PSU. I’m with you. I’ve been fascinated by this case and horrified by how deeply so many people have drunk the flavor aid.
Is this personality cult really that deeply ingrained in the institution you guys hail from?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Ohhh...yeah.
As a PA native who went to school here, people refer to Paterno as a “father figure” even though they’ve never met him.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
That's fucked up.
The biggest father figure we had at my Alma Mater was a bench—I thought that was normal.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that Paterno was the most powerful person at Penn State/State College PA and that he wielded more power than any individual currently does at any major educational institution in the US. Until he “retired”, Sandusky was #2.
Sandusky is a big pile of #2
That much is for sure.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Damnite Phil....
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Nov 15, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions
I live in Phil's hometown (Harrisburg, PA)
So his sentiments are shared by many………..not shocked but wish he would’ve stfu
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’m actually pretty surprised by his comments. Clearly, for someone to hide a rapist firing is the least they should get, and it kinda does wipe out his legacy.
It is truly intriguing that Davis says this, loyalty is a funny thing
by troyd on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Right, it’s not like Davis is saying “look, rape is bad..but so what?” it’s the continuing excuse making.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
It seems to me that all the PSU alumni are pissed that this is tearing apart their university
and all the legacys along with it. They are making these excuses to try and protect their university and their coach
/\ this....momma always said 'bad news travels faster than good news'
If you went to ANY school where PRIDE is in its scribbles, you will always have ppl battling/protecting/faking/avoiding/denying whatever truth that will bring negative attention.
by Tatsu Maki Sen Puu Kyaku on Nov 15, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
There's loyalty and, and then there's fanaticism.
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Phil you should have kept your mouth shut!!
You are saying that some kids are getting raped in the showers and you dont do everything possible to make it stop!?!?! You think its ok to just tell someone and forget it.? What the heck is wrong with you? What if that was your kid getting pounded in the rear in the shower would it have been ok to just stand by and say oh well I tried to tell someone. Ill wait for you to rethink the statement and maybe think it over a little but as of right now, you sir are an IDIOT.
C'mon Phil
“I think he did what he could,” Davis said about Paterno.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions
He did what he could (to help cover it up)
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'd love to hear Phil say that to the victims and their parents
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
D00d, haven't you been paying attention? There's a *protocol* for these things.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
He really should shut the hell up
“If you’re in a law enforcement position and your superior says let so and so go, you’ve got to follow your protocol. You can’t just go ‘this is the law and I want to play this the way I want to play it.’”
You can’t just sit back and let something like that go. Davis needs to realize that every kid raped after the McQueary incident is on Paterno. If Joe Pa really cared he should have been screaming to anyone who would listen that Sandusky is a pedophile. Screw Penn State, and screw Joe Pa. Their inaction equals complicity in my book. One more thing screw Phil Davis.
So when did Penn State begin to take cover up lessons from the Catholic Church.
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by dandeman on Nov 15, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The thing I don't get is why the guy who actually seen it didn't
Go to the Cops? Joe’s not the one who seen anything and he’s not the President/Person in charge of the school. I’m not trying to make excuses for him I’m just trying to understand why all the backlash is pointed directly at Paterno.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, it should be pointed at McQueary just as much. Guy was 28 when he caught Sandusky with that kid and didn’t stop him in the moment and then told his dad who then told him to tell Paterno. He was plenty old enough to know what to do.
But Paterno was the guy that could shut shit down.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
C'mon Phil
“I think he did what he could,” Davis said about Paterno
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Joe Pa ran that school
He’s the one who tells people to let something go.
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Phil would’ve been better served to keep quiet on this one.
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by StillUnknown on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I like how he told the board "not to focus on him" and worry about the kids
Yeah okay Joe, you’re clearly concerned for the welfare of children. badwordsbythegrosse
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
This!!
Joe Pa ran that school He’s the one who tells people to let something go.
I mean he makes $200,000 more than the president…….
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Not most major programs have an athletic director that was recruited and played for their head coach.
Perspective, PSU, you have none.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, just clarifying :)
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
noted....... but most aren't paid figureheads
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Nov 15, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Like Josef Stalin?
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Golf clap for you, sir.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
We all get a kick out of Living Colour.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I prefer In Living Color
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by merryprankster on Nov 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
HATED IT
Nah I kid. I loved that show.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
haha
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by merryprankster on Nov 15, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It's coming back this year!
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
are you serious?
That would be awesome.
by PelvicThrust on Nov 15, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
With who, though?
Those sketch comedy shows are all dependent on the quality of the writers and actors
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
The writers of the " Movie" films and the cast of My Big Fat Greek Life
I got this from inside sources (no one)
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
stupid brackets... writers of the GENRE Movie
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
You'd better be joking
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
The guy didn't report the raping of a child to the police...
He’s lucky he’s not going to be charged with anything. Just losing his job is extremely fortunate, and I have no idea how anybody could feel OK with him continuing in that post.
Sandusky is on PAID fucking leave!!!
How in the hell is he still getting paid? PSU should be closed down until they find new people to be in charge!
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Really?
Paid leave? jesus christ i knew he was out of Jail but paid leave this situation gets worse everyday did anyone hear the interview last night with Bob Costas?
by nickrodamous on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I’m going to assume because it’s a charge that isn’t proven in a court of law, and the university is ensuring that by some miracle he gets off.. they don’t get sued for a boatload of money by him.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
This is what I assumed as well
It might not even be a bad thing, since he’ll probably lose every penny he has in civil suits.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 15, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
There are reasons that everyone kept quiet in this thing (terrible reasons, but reasons nonetheless). I have a feeling that McQueary’s reason for acting the way he did (I’m talking in the years after) will make Penn State look worse than keeping him around, so they have to keep him on board to keep him quiet.
Wait Sandusky hasn't been on staff
since 1999. Paid leave from Second mile perhaps. Not PSU.. To my knowledge
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Nov 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
He’s collecting a PSU pension.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I believe he’s been an emeritus faculty member. He’s had total access to PSU facilities until a week ago.
I think he had an office on campus as well
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by merryprankster on Nov 15, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was fired but still receives a pension of some sorts. The GA/now assistant coach is the one on paid leave because firing him would lose him as a vital part to the case even though he is not protected under the whistleblower law.
by milliondollardreams on Nov 15, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone see Sandusky's interview last night?
I’m not playing gumshoe here, but boy did that not convince me of his innocence WHATSOEVER. That was bad for him, real bad. I’m shocked his lawyer let him talk, that was a trainwreck.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions
Dude, the amount of time it took him to say “No” to “are you sexually attracted to young boys?”
That was insanity.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I heard the audio and it made me absolutely nauseous
I hope he gets general pop. Child abusers are the definitive lowest of the low.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 15, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
as much as I'd like to see him put to sleep
i’m really against using abuse by other criminals in prison as part of our legal system. It’s really fucked up and the kind of thing the nazis/soviets etc used to do.
Hell there are rumors going around that several scientists who complained about the BP oil spill in the gulf got framed for kiddie porn and sent to prison where they were killed.
we have the law for a reason, we should try to enforce it fairly and sanely.
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by Nate Wilcox on Nov 15, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You want to protect criminals in prison?
What are your suggestions? There is and always will be honor amongst thieves. There is no way you can protect everyone. You could possibly build a prison just for sex offenders. But that would be crazy. No prosecutor or judge is sentencing people to jail with the hope they get prison raped. You get desensitized when you work in the judicial system. Just as a nurse or a doctor working in the ER.
The threat of rape is absolutely used by the justice system
You don’t think cops and DA’s trot out the possibility of gang sodomy in gen pop when they want some cooperation or a plea? They absolutely do.
Honor among thieves? What does that even mean? If you think some “code” is more relevant than your skin color and group you affiliate with in prison you’re wrong. Nobody trunks drugs in their rectum or rapes another prisoner because of honor. You do it to keep yourself from being a target.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
There is absolutely honor among thieves.
Not just in jail but on the street. It can be just as simple as not snitching or taking the rap for someone else. It is there. Don’t kid yourself. Speaking as someone in law enforcement I see it on a daily basis.
We don’t threaten criminals with jail rape if they confess to a crime or cooperate. That is absurd. As for dealing with criminals go, you arrest them and take them to jail. If they get a light sentence or get off, it is what it is. You move on.
I think we have different definitions of what honor is.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda the point isn't it
Thieves and gangsters have what they call as honor, soldiers have what they call as honor, law enforcement has their definition.
It is all perspective and where your loyalties lie.
Mines with soldiers and law enforcement
It's not a virtue if it's completely contextual.
That’s loyalty and there are plenty of examples of it being “dishonorable”. Like this case, for instance.
Honor is doing the right thing, regardless of context. Standing up to your friends when they’re wrong, even if it means protecting someone you dislike.
We can disagree on what the “right thing” is, but if you’re attempting to paint different actions in different situation with the same brush as “honorable”, I disagree with every part of that.
It’s why I have no problem voicing support for the execution of those Soldiers that raped that girl, killed her entire family and then burned their bodies. Every one of them should die.
I also support the idea of a police force and LE in general. I have no problem seeing cops go to jail for illegal activities.
Context/perspective doesn’t matter.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I said no such thing
But I find it bizarre that the most indefensible are often heavily protected, while people who have committed insurance fraud have to live in gen pop.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
And, beyond creepy.
The way he repeated it – twice – like he was seriously pondering the meaning hidden in the question. So gross.
I also hated his smug lawyer bragging about how they found the kid who was in the locker room shower.
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who got a 17 year old pregnant in 1997…. marinate on that one. Oh and the judge that set Sandusky’s reduced unsecured bail was a second mile volunteer. for info on both stories
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot both of those facts. Good hustle.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I suck at linking
www.deadspin.com has both stories
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by LRaunThaDamaja on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
i am bad at linking, too
But you bring up good points. Thank you.
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That was him just burying himself. Remarkable self-destruction.
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me and wife watched that interview
and our skin crawled just hearing him dance around some of the questions…
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The fact that the foundation of his defense is that he’s a “sporting” man and men in sports shower together is the dumbest defense ever. I can’t believe his lawyer thinks it will work.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
A sign of the times.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
You know, sporting fellows, judge!
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well, to be honest, this happens to this day in locker rooms everywhere. The difference, however, is that coaches don’t join in. My HS coach would roam around making sure jock assholes weren’t hazing people, that’s about it.
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by Leland Roling on Nov 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well, of course. Was just making a joke about Sandusky’s idea of “sporting”.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure if covered yet......
Supposedly his attorney got a 16 year old girl pregnant a while back……what the fuck is wrong with some people!
he also
got her emancipated from her parents so he could marry her
http://www.wwtdd.com/2011/11/jerry-sanduskys-lawyer-is-a-pedophile-too/
“Amendola served as the attorney for Mary Iavasile’s emancipation petition on Sept. 3, 1996, just weeks before her 17th birthday.
The emancipation request … makes no mention of any special relationship between her and her lawyer.
Roughly around the same time, Iavasile became pregnant with Amendola’s child, and gave birth before she turned 18.
He was born in 1948 and was around 49 at the time.
Court records show the two were married on Feb. 8, 2003, around the time her mother says their second child was born.
They are now separated, but she has kept his surname.”
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by merryprankster on Nov 15, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
and people used to crucify R. Kelly
wait a minunte..1996? R.Kelly peeking game???
by Tatsu Maki Sen Puu Kyaku on Nov 15, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
His lawyer let him talk because his lawyer is terrible and has quite a checkered past. Like he got one of his clients pregnant who was 17 at the time and he was 49.
by milliondollardreams on Nov 15, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with davis
You can tell alot about a person just by reading their sig.
by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
So there's a protocol for child fucking, now?
If anything it’s called “Call the cops now.”
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone seems to think it's so simple...
But I’m willing to bet most here have never had to deal with anything like this, much less at a billion dollar institution. It’s not as a simple as just calling the cops and to pretend that is, is fucking stupid, because we dpn’t know what Mcqueary saw, we don’t know what JoePa said or did or what he was even informed of.
Let the legal system run its course and get this second rate journalism out of my MMA.
by IRH on Nov 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
When you are talking about CHILD RAPE
it is that simple.
by Sqwibbs on Nov 15, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
We DO know what everyone said and saw.
It’s in the grand jury report. Try reading it before climbing on your soapbox.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, what the fuck, seriously?!
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Get out the BANHAMMER.
Let the legal system run its course and get this second rate journalism out of my MMA
by PelvicThrust on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
D00d doesn't know the legal system is already running its course.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'll tell you exactly how I'd deal with it
I’d beat the dog shit out of Sandusky. It aint that hard to dial 911. I don’t care if it’s a billion dollar industry, right is fucking right. It is simple.
The whole thing is bullshit. Paterno had to know about the 1998 incident because they made sandusky retire. That’s the problem in this whole situation. Maybe, MAYBE you can explain away why 1 of these things got swept under the rug (you’d still be wrong) but the fact that he got caught in the showers on campus 3 fucking times and they did nothing is bullshit.
Phil, what the FUCK is wrong with your head?!
There’s no protocol for child fucking, Phil. You see it, you report that shit, and then you call the cops.
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Dude, I think you are trying to show your outrage...
But even writing the phrase “child fucking” is kind of sick….
I'm tired of the speculation...
No one in the media knows what really happened and neither does Phil Davis. The outrage is bullshit. No one cares when kids get raped or molested on a daily basis and they damn sure don’t care when the US is killing its own citizens or racking up body counts in thousands across the pond.
Let’s go back to discussing sports and quit feigning outrage, when we know had this not involved football, no one would even have rolled their eyes.
by IRH on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Seriously?
Your vision is terribly misshapen. It’s a clear and flagrant abuse of power.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Bullshit...
It’s a clear and flagrant abuse on the part of the media. The story keeps changing on a daily basis because people like Brent, who have no background in dealing with something like this, are constructing a narrative without many facts at all.
And seriously, this is getting more coverage than any other scandal thisbyear and it’s not even remotely the wprst America has to offer. It’s not even the worst recent kid abuse scandal, but because football is involved people act like they actually give a fuck. It’s disgusting.
by IRH on Nov 15, 2011 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
People care because child rape is okay. Don't tell me what I think, please--it's a shit way of not having to make a logic statement of your own in an argument.
Bunches of people care about the worst that America has to offer, don’t assume that just b/c your bubble with respect to the world hasn’t burst yet that the world is quiet.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
*not* okay. Holy shit--my BAD.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
lol
You can tell alot about a person just by reading their sig.
by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Nov 15, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fast Typing+no proof reading = FAIL. I deserve the mockery.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with him. This is the America we live in.
A young white lady is missing and suspected of being killed it’s nationwide news. Add poor or minority to that description and watch how it barely makes local news.
You're right. The world is fucked. Either deal with *all* problems or *none* at all. Fuck this shit.
But, hey, I’m not American, and I give a shit about the world, so there.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's your argument?
People are making shit up? If only, <if only/em> there was a document of the incident from a first-hand eye witness detailing exactly what he saw related to the incident. You know, like a fucking grand jury testimony? That would be sweet. Good call.
And your second point? Point to an incident of suspected child rape where people shrug their shoulders, say “meh” and go back to watching Dancing with the Stars. That will satisfy the contradiction you’re attempting to create. Out here in the real world, there are definitely better ways resources can be used to protect kids and deal with offenders. Whining about different responses, however, doesn’t justify ignoring this one.
You fail at logic and at life.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nice fail.org reference.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Is that actually a thing?
I had no idea. I just thought it was appropriately snarky given how monumentally stupid his comment was.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
It was a page with a single sentence: "You fail at life and everything."
Also a song played in the background.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
don’t care when the US is killing its own citizens or racking up body counts in thousands across the pond.
Dude, not this argument….
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
It's also a strawman because a shitload of people also care for that too, he's just electing to make it up on the fly.
Motivated reasoning is a bitch to let go of.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
So, when's the last time they covered a rape case on BE?
Or whaylt about the US killimg its own citizens or thousands of innocents with drones? Don’t see Brent getting anypne’s feeling on those matters. But JoePa? Fuck it, that’s front page MMA news. Which one affects this country more?
by IRH on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A prominant UFC fighter was asked a question regarding an extremely hot-button and poignant topic at his alma mater.
One that he attended while this was going on.
I’d say it’s relevant.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Whom NOBODY complains about!!!!!!!!!!
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
He was not on the football team and had no interaction with Sandusky...
His opinion on the matter hardly carries any weight.
I didn’t see any discussing politics around here when Jacob Volkmann started running his mouth, donx’t see why this is any different. They both have no relevance in the MMA world.
by IRH on Nov 15, 2011 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
His oppinion on the matter stems from the same place of those dumbass rioters.
It matters in relation to how someone in MMA have an understanding of authority figures and the balance of power.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Sandusky had an office on campus until last week.
Many PSU sports teams are involved with each other. There were even scores of PSU athletes (from all sports) that volunteered at Second Mile.
Once again, you are coming from a place of ignorance.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
"I feel sorry because justice was not done. Was it at the hands of Joe Paterno? No. Some of the other parties involved, I know them, and they’ve always been good to me, and it’s a shame that they were involved in whatever their involvement was.
- Phil Davis
Yeah, he totally didn’t know anyone involved.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
By that logic only operators and the families of drone targets are qualified to talk about drone attacks.
Expand that logic and Brents not qualified to discuss MMA because he’s not a fighter and doesn’t work for the UFC.
I guess that’s it folks, no more BE. It was fun while it lasted.
I’ll miss you all.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Does this mean no moar breating apparatuses allowed b/c they are not lungs.
You are an asshole.
Don’t lok at me!!
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
You dont't know a single thing about me and yet you dare draw the conclusion that I'm an asshole?
What, did you read what I wrote, interpret that through your internal processes, compare the outcomes against your own life experiences and then arrive at a conclusion?
Because if that’s what you did, shut up.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently you didn't catch the whole breathing apparatus reference...
My bad. I apologize.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
No worries. I'm an asshole, these things happen.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ya.
I just assumed the line “Does this mean no moar breathing apparatuses allowed b/c they are not lungs” was a gig giveaway.
I miss the sarcasm font, but I know better now.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
*big*
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think it would have assisted both of us greatly.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
But it got me banned once, so...
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
B/c this is a SPORTING blog. And YES, sometimes sports have something to say about the TIMES we live in.
Shocker? No.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
This is an MMA blog...
God forbid I want some MMA coverage and not half assed Jerry Sandusky commentary that I can get on any generalized sports site.
by IRH on Nov 15, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So don't read it and don't post if you want nothing to do with it.
Oh, wait! You already did.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Listen...
Nobody is making you stay in the thread. I respect that you have a difference of opinion, but if you don’t want to read this, don’t!
I hear there’s an excellent series in the FanPosts called “Your Weekend in Combat Sports”…I’d check it out!
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don't respect his different oppinion. And you don't have to either.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Son. End of story. You’re banned.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
IPPON
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Mobile rec
Although I had to Google that
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by duck on Nov 15, 2011 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Awww c’mon Brent. I was peppering that fool. I was a counterpunching machine.
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Fuck counterpunching. Knockouts
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 15, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 14 recs
Yeah...
Judges would have given him the decision anyway.
/still bitter about JMM
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
D00d, no more bitter than I am. ..
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Badr Hari'd
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HAHAHA
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by Charles Awad on Nov 15, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Beat you by a hot second!
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
When’s the last time a fighter commented on it,
OH YA, Last fucking week. I think there is plenty of consistency here on the need to look at rape as the horrible crime that it is, especially within the context of MMA media.
by troyd on Nov 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Should still say something anyway
Because what you had to say was good.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, let me get this straight... there is an "appropriate" degree of outrage/coverage
when numerous children are raped/assaulted by an authority figure in a highly prolific institution in the U.S?
GTFO, with all due respect.
Woah!
The drone program is super awesome! We are able to kill the bad guys with little risk to our own military personnel. Terrorists are flat out scared of the drones. We instill fear and eliminate targets – that is a good thing.
Carry on with the rest, but man – those drones get results. Period.
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by alicks on Nov 15, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate the idea that you can't decry any misjustice if you don't decry all of it
You’re saying we should care about all of it, so people can’t choose? Come on.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ypu can decry whatever you want in the proper forum...
This is an MMA website and the JoePa story has dick to do with MMA. Unless they’re going to start covering every major sports scandal, this shit does’t need to be here. None of the writers are qualified to discuss it, which makes it seem like a cheap attempt to drive traffic.
by IRH on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
BANHAMMER AGAIN.
None of the writers are qualified to discuss it, which makes it seem like a cheap attempt to drive traffic.
by PelvicThrust on Nov 15, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
So, no moar Boxing in Bloody Elbow, then? That's how it goes now?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Phil Davis commenting on it and making an ass of himself is newsworthy in regards to MMA, I’d say.
Only someone with a poor grasp of logic would think this is a “cheap attempt to drive traffic”.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 15, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
But the bombs and the drones, man...also, iraq, and protocol, and...uh...
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Take a hike kid
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by Charles Awad on Nov 15, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
to quote Bouton quoting Alvin Dark
It’s actually: “Take a hike, son.”
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Are implying that you don’t have the will to NOT click on this story because you don’t agree with it being here… You don’t like the story, you don’t read it, you don’t bitch and moan about it, that simple. But not for you, because you saw an opportunity to whine about whatever it is you’re complaining about. This isn’t a “what doesn’t belong” game, so in the future, if you don’t like the story headline, find another story to read, or go to another site to read about the Sandusky/PSU story, it’s that simple.
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by itsallgood013 on Nov 15, 2011 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No one cares about kids getting raped on a daily basis?
No one cares when kids get raped or molested on a daily basis
Are you fucking kidding me?
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1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Nov 15, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You are an idiot.
Learn JiuJitsu.
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 15, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you should be ashamed of your existance
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I heard that the Penn students who were rioting were a vocal minority...
I don’t think that’s the case any more. This whole situation is disturbing on several levels. The rape, the cover-up, the sympathizers, they’re all sick in the head.
by I_Mad on Nov 15, 2011 11:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
not really
unless a “riot” to you is a large crowd standing in the streets cheering. Last legitimate riot was 2008, if I remember correctly. Even this one was peaceful outside of a couple of dumbass drunk meatheads.
by phantasma475 on Nov 15, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Penn State - We've Only Had Two Riots Since 2008(tm)
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That should be on their ad for attracting student.
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by duck on Nov 15, 2011 6:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
People riot on campuses for any reason
Most of which involves the desire not to go to class the next day
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That's insanity considering how much they are paying in tuition in the U.S.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
College is a big racket anyway. No one learns how to do anything and most people spend all of their time trying to get laid
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by warren305 on Nov 15, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for socialized education. You can do both of those and still get laid.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Those kids sure arent paying for it.
One of the reasons higher education is atrophying in the U.S. No personal stake in the tens of thousands being coomitted to their “development”. And I put myself in that group. I’m looking at a graduate degree at 29 and I’m taking it a whole lot more seriously now that I’ll be paying most of it.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they don't understand what a loan means.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
My friend borrowed close to $100,000 to go to school.
And is now making zero effort to pay it back. The loan companies call him, he either ignores the call or hangs up.
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Doesn't he know that that debt is NEVER going away?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I've tried explaining this to him.
His chances of buying a new car or a house are pretty much shot at this point. He can’t see past the short term.
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+2 for socialized education, then.
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In a more serious note: I feel for you guys. I hope you can get this shit sorted up one day. It’s madness what is being done to you over there.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
And they are still ending up stupid.
If this Penn State thing has proved anything its that the University has failed in educating.
Who in their right minds thinks that going to people within the school to report a rape of a child is doing enough. You have to be pretty damn stupid to believe anything would get done when it could tarnish the football program. As it is obviously more important than giving a quality education.
If these students at Penn State had half a brain they would be condemning the whole coaching staff and athletic department by making a statement that these people need to go.
What a fucking joke
Sheeeeeeeee-it
What the fuck, society.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions
I understand why Phil was asked about this because of his Penn State connection...
…but more often than not athletes and celebrities just aren’t as clued in as us normal folk about these issues. How many famous folk have come out and looked foolish with their opinions on this in the past week? I don’t know why we need to know what Ja Rule thinks about 9/11 but maybe we should stop caring.
That's actually classy.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don't like people telling Phil to "be quiet"
We all have opinions. You are on this site partly out of the desire to express yours. I do feel he is wrong, for the most part. We don’t know what Joe Pa did when he heard the news. It looks like he did next to nothing, which imo, if true, he should be brought up on charges. Hell, the way these stories work, I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out Joe Pa was raping kids too, by the end of this.
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I don't think should keep quiet, but I'm amazed at how screwed his head is in this particular matter.
Odd b/c the guy is pure class everywhere else. Makes you wonder what kind of water they are drinking at Penn State, though…
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
We know that "Joe Pa" didn't go the police
And that’s enough to condemn him right there.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Failure to act when morally bound matters.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed
Insinuating circumstances my ass. If you don’t really trry to get to the bottom of someone raping children in your institution, that raises big flags with me. Like I said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe Pa had a skeleton in his closet, if thats truely how he reacted…with indifference
Moisture is the essence of wetness....Joe
this whole thing is so weird
to be honest, i do sympathize a bit with people doing the wrong thing because they get pressure at work or because they are afraid of getting into trouble.
but i just don’t get how there can be any debate that all the individuals involved made a horrendously bad decision. in particular, i have no idea why anyone could have any sympathy for this coach.
when a child is being abused, there is a duty to report it to the police. it does not matter what your job is. NOTHING else matters. sure, we can make up some hypothetical situation (like an undercover cop hearing about it on a wiretap, or a lawyer learning from a client, or whatever). but this is fucking FOOTBALL. it literally matters LESS than the academics at these insitutions for everythign except money.
what is controversial about this? how in god’s name could the coach expect to keep his job?
there is such widespread consensus about this in society. why don’t the penn state alumni seem to get it?
Because they went to Penn State and were indoctrinated
They’re wearing blinders for the rest of their lives and get super defensive that anyone could dare say anything bad about their choice of school, their second family, yadda yadda poop poop.
People like that are fucking annoying and too common.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Removing JoPa’s name off the Big Ten trophy is kind of shity in my opinion, not that the article is about that. I just wish people could separate his football legacy and his major fuck-up regarding this situation. I have a feeling I’m one of the few who feel that way though. I think when something like this happens, they just do everything they can for damage control, even if it’s trying to remove the history of the greatest college football coach of all time. Firing and an investigation seems like plenty to me… What’s next, are they going to take away his NCAA record for winning the most games as a coach?
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He failed where it mattered most
And that can and will be his legacy.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
And I think that's unfair.
Because of the nature of this situation, I think it’s hard for anyone to act rational. Everyone wants to get their pitchforks and condemn anyone and anything involved. This whole thing is hurting A LOT more than just the poor children who were allegedly violated.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. BUT...
There is a social moral standard at play here. Saying “I was scared” doesn’t cut it.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
He had YEARS to do something about it
He didn’t call the police. Given that Sandusky was still involved with this charity he didn’t inform the right people there. He failed in his responsibility (as a human being) to protect children and he failed as The Man at Penn State by not protecting the integrity of his program. He failed, period.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This whole thing is hurting A LOT more than just the poor children who were allegedly violated.
Pray tell, who are these people and how are they being hurt?
University interests.
It’s still a fail, though. You can make a morally complicated decision that you thought was fine and still fail.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
You know people were calling for Penn State’s football season to be cancelled? As if the students should be punished for this…
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
We wouldn’t want something like a few dozen child rapes to interfere with something really important like football.
I really hate the college sports culture. Schools should be for learning dammit.
The North remembers...
Would you like Freys with that?
The students had nothing to do with this...
And many of them wouldn’t have been able to learn had it not been for the football scholarship.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Sports should be secondary to education in colleges, but for most it is not. I just say split the damn things up.
In the interest of disclosure, I suffered a nervous breakdown and spent 2 years of my life depressed because of some stuff that happened in college. If my friend had been able to get in and be my roommate as we had planned, I think he would have helped me prevent that. Instead, because of the college football team having a banner year, applications tripled and he did not make it in.
The North remembers...
Would you like Freys with that?
Those kids at Penn State won’t be learning a damn thing. You can’t push anything through some of those thick-headed oafs I’ve seen interviewed there.
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by mountaineers101 on Nov 15, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Come on, man. Perspective!
If there’s a situation that is appropriate for cancelling a football season, this is it.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
NCAA schools have been given the death penalty for far less.
by discoandherpes on Nov 15, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm okay with mob drubbing, figuratively speaking, his kind of people.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I'm aware not many will agree with me on this. That's fine, I understand.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not trying to have a clash with you or anything, but why would you care about something like that?
I don’t see how preserving the ritual of keeping his name on the trophy is somehow related to the pragmatism of understanding he was the greatest college football coach of all time when the ritual in question happens to be a social one.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think you lost me. I just woke up not long ago.
I think that removing his name from the trophy is just a selfish way for the Big Ten conference to save face.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, I'll repeat myself a bit...
Your position, to me, seems to be a pragmatic one: He accomplished this and that. Hence why his name is in the trophy. Yes?
My position is this: His name being in the trophy is the continuation of an ongoing ritual—a social one.
Since he does not conform to the norms of society his name does not belong there no more. Pragmatism doesn’t enter the equation because the validation he was receiving came from the group that has now shunned him.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, I understand.
I just wonder where they will stop in trying to remove his name from their history now that this scandal has happened. How far should they go, is what I’m concerned with…
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Did you go to Penn State?
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. Good question, they seem to be the only people defending JoPa.
No… I just like to approach situations level-headed. Everyone else has already taken the role of outraged citizen.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Because...it is an outrage, dude.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
He's not just some every day guy, though
The man basically ran that school and if he wanted to he could’ve had Sandusky in cuffs because the police there would take Joe Paterno at his word. He failed as a human being and left who knows how many kids at the mercy of a disgusting rapist.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In a nutshell.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that JoPa was practically a god at that school is a good point. Honestly, if he would have went to the police then… He would have been the “hero” who stepped in and put an end to it all… People would have loved him even more, and Penn State would have never taken such a P.R. hit.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As far as it has to be, I guess.
Look at it from the perspective of him following protocol on one of your kids getting anally fucked.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
This language is offensive. Especially to people who have close
family members that have been victims. It begins to obfuscate your position.
It just depends man
If we found out that Joe actually participated in the molestation….Would you still want a separation of his career, and his actions?
I don’t think you compartmentalize people like that. If you work for free in Africa treating AIDS patients, but rape some of the kids on the side, you should still be burned alive IMO
Moisture is the essence of wetness....Joe
Dood, that's the very definition of walking on eggshells...
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Isht.
Trust me.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
You just killed the joke, man...don't even look at me...
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing suggests that Joe had any participation in this...
In fact, it’s his lack of participation in anything that got him where he is today.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's not about participation but about lack of action. He knew and this thing still went on for years.
He himself has admitted that he regrets it, no?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that
I mean, you have a guy you work for actually SEE, another guy you work for, raping a child. And you allow this person to continue to work for you for years… I mean, in my eyes, that conveys some level of complicity
Moisture is the essence of wetness....Joe
The man’s also 84-years old… In that generation, people tended to mind their own business a lot more. Which, I’m not saying at all is the right thing to do… I just wonder if the reason he didn’t do more is because of the whole “old school” mentality. And seriously, I’m not saying that it’s right at all, I should re-emphasize.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Then methinks he should have stepped down long ago if he’s that out of touch, Zacher.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think old, storied football coaches are just like the royalty of European countries. Sure, they present a position of power and respect, but they are really just figureheads. Something tells me Jimbo Fisher was the lead for Bobby Bowden for quite a few years, and I think the PSU staff carried Joe Pa as well.
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by mountaineers101 on Nov 15, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Social darwinism, I guess...
84 years ago, when he was born, black folk weren’t even lobbying legally to go to freaking school.
That hardly works as a defense.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well I definitely don't agree with what he did...
But I have a hard time believing he was directly involved with it all until it’s proven otherwise, and that seemed like what he was insinuating up above.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
It was not his involvment in the abuse, but in the covering up.
The old man is being hung up to dry b/c of an attept to save face and protect university interests—it doesn’t make him any less responsible for the part he played, or not played, given how the abuses went on for years after he found out.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I love BE.
Even if it’s not related to MMA, I know there will always be intelligent people I can discuss these things with. And even if we disagree, we don’t have to insult each other repeatedly for it.
I’m pretty much on your side about it all, I understand how vile it is. I guess my major concern were these P.R. things people do to save face… Sometimes public outrage forces people to make decisions they normally wouldn’t… And if the only reason they’re changing is to appease others, rather than because they actually want to make that change themselves… I question the legitimacy and motives behind the decision.
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by Zachary Kater on Nov 15, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
But the trick is to separate the deed (or lack of it) from society’s need to lynch, the institution looking out for its own interests, and the media wanting to make a spectacle of it to draw a logical conclusion. hard shit to do.
If anything, it makes me wearier of Penn State.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think any school would do this
Because nobody wants to be left holding the bag when this shit goes down.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
If you win a thousand football games, but rape a child or stay silent about the rape
To the world, you are not a football genius, you are a rapist or an enabler, and so should you be.
This is becoming a pattern
Brent’s writing style is now to jump the gun on any news story before he has all the facts. First it was the Forrest Griffin story and now it’s this story. Why don’t you wait until all the facts are out before you start making your judgements about what he should do?
“Raping children”…Are you certain as to what Sandusky was doing the 1 time (from news reports) he was told about this? Are you certain as to what specifically McQueary told him? Are you aware of any conversations that went on between Joe Pa and Sandusky as to what happened? Obviously you can’t be, because even McQueary now is changing what news reports are saying.
I think maybe you could follow your own advice when you start getting ideas about articles…“no comment”
Sorry that you went to Penn State
Good luck being defensive about a man who doesn’t know you exist for the rest of your life.
"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Paterno can eat a bag of dicks for all I care. I’m glad he ruined his career by not doing not even the right thing, but the thing that any person with a soul would do. Go to the police.
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by mountaineers101 on Nov 15, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Again, grand jury report.
We know that Joe knew enough. Enough that he should have taken a bigger interest then just passing the buck.
Regardless of the specifics and semantics, Joe knew something was going on with Sandusky and kids in the showers. That alone merited far more than he did. He told Curley and never mentioned it again.
That’s cowardly, self-serving, and neglectful.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 15, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
actually i'm very aware of it and have read it several times
obviously none of you guys are…first off…i could care less about Penn State and/or Paterno, but I feel that too often people in the media state things that are not facts.
Regarding this case with Paterno, the main argument is with Victim 2….the report is actually contradicting on what was actually said. We don’t know for sure what McQueary told Paterno or others as they are disagreeing what was said. He states he said anal sex, but they said that he said wrestling or fondling – which obviously is a HUGE difference. So, unless you were there – you don’t know what was said or what convo he had with Sandusky afterwards. Who knows, maybe he said wrestling because he was afraid of getting fired and then Joe talked to Sandusky and he lied his butt off well. All the other cases there is no real link to Paterno that he could be aware of any misdoing.
Do I think he probably knew what was going on and could’ve/should’ve done much more? Yes, probably.
Do I think Justin Bieber got that chick prego? No, probably not.
Both of which I don’t know to be spouting off like Brent is doing in this article.
Well, I have a masters degree from Penn State and I give money to the alumni association, so unlike you, I do care about Penn State. Paterno says he knew that Sandusky was alone and naked with 10 year old boy and touching occurred, so why are you acting like whether it was explained to Paterono as full on anal sex or another form of rape/molestation, affects the what the correct, moral thing is to do is in this situation?
by Jahbulon on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Have you been smoking dried dog shit?
So you’re fine with Paterno not reporting Sandusky to the police for “only” wrestling and fondling a 10 year old boy in the showers at Penn State? Really? He should be exonerated?
Nevermind that it’ll likely turn out that McQueary reported the actual act of rape to Paterno.
Get out.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Innocent until proven guilty last I smoked some dried dog shit. If things played out your way, Casey Anthony would have been put to death. Instead, the case was put forth like every other case and she was set free because there weren’t enough facts to prove it (yet I believe she did it).
I want to hear both sides in an actual court of law, if not – it’s all hearsay and I don’t give a shit about that….
Joe Paterno has already spoken
And damned himself with admitted inaction.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Paterno said it himself. I don’t know what people are arguing here.
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God damnit Phil. You should have the balls to admit when something is wrong, no matter what school you came from.
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by mountaineers101 on Nov 15, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions
His cat took them when he left
With his common sense too, apparently.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
The dark side of Mr. Wonderful?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's a Wonderful Life 2: Not without my Joe Pa
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
What a dark turn this took...
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with....
the articles commentary… Phil Davis knows (like any Pa resident) that Joe Pa… IS PENN STATE… No one at that University has as much clout as Joe Pa…. He could have and SHOULD have done much more… And he will be remembered for it.
I’m a HUGE PSU fan… having grown up in PA and watching Joe Pa coach for 30+ years. I’ve revered the man and his accomplishments on and off the field… But in light of these accusations and his handling of them… I’ve come to realize Joe Pa is just a coach…. a man with faults… Faults that harbored and abetted a pedophile…..
Nice job Joe!
by DeepStrike on Nov 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Very well said
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think that Joe Pa should be forced to watch Zardoz for the rest of his life
Wearing line dried clothing.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That movie kills common sense.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Penn State more than condoned Sandusky’s actions. They basically said as much when they said Sandusky couldn’t bring kids on campus. Don’t rape kids here, Jer. Just do it on your own time.
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by mountaineers101 on Nov 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions
Hang everyone who knew and did nothing.
From the scoreboard.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't agree with this. I thing he should've kept his brain switched on, instead.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
*think*
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Having parents who have fostered children now for thirty years I have seen the kids that come out of things like this. It isn’t a great picture and these things end up haunting them for the rest of their lives. Even if they get over the pain, it still ends up effecting them and their choices from the moment it happens out.
Sexual abuse destroys the most precious thing in the world, a child’s soul. Those who know it is happening and do nothing deserve at the very least to spend their eternity in suffering. Those who make piss poor excuses for their not having the humanity to do what is right deserve it just a tad less.
It’s amazing that Davis wants to try and make a argument like this. Especially considering that if a officer, a teacher (like my wife who has multiple times called CPS over suspected abuse), so many other fields knew something like this were happening and did nothing they would at bare minimum lose their jobs. More than likely they would even face criminal charges. Just the suspicion of child abuse either sexually or physically requires these professions to to step up and report those suspicions to the proper authorities. Human decency requires that the rest of us do it.
by Empty Thoughts on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Yep. It's what makes society function.
At least societies worth preserving.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Pa....
Kiddie rape enabler. End of story. Sorry phil, this is exactly how he should be remembered, quite a deal bigger than football games. This is his real legacy, dude had plenty of time to do more and in Happy Valley, let us not pretend that Joe is someone without clout over his AD.
All I know
is that when Sandusky started talking about how he would touch boys’ legs in the shower, but didn’t mean it in a “sexual” way, it seriously sent chills down my spine. That guy is fucking GUILTY
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Glad I didn't watch that interview, it probably would've made me cry or vomit
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
It was on The Daily Show/ The Colbert Report last night
can’t remember which one… seriously though, just the way he SAYS it is so creepy. I try to be objective, not judge a book by it’s cover, and all that, but I’m POSITIVE just from the way he talked about it that he is a sick fuck.
It’s like how Roethlisberger talked about his sexual assault charges… the way he talks just exudes guilt
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Where he's reliving it in his head and distracted by it?
Yeah that’s pretty damning.
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by menckenstein on Nov 15, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
The NBC interview he gave was pretty damaging to himself. His lawyer is an idiot for letting him speak.
Everything he said was absolutely creepy, especially his response to the direct question about whether he was attracted to young boys. I know everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but holy shit, did he sound fucking guilty.
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Beyond stupid.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
’First of all, someone in the UFC should probably tell its fighters to go with “no comment” on these situations."
GJ make Dana be the slave master even more over these guys. No one in the UFC can talk about anything due to being so afraid of how much power this man has. While I certainly don’t agree with Davis, I don’t believe muzzling him is right.
Slave master, huh?
Make sure you take a fainting couch with you wherever you go. You’re propensity for hysterical overreaction will make it necessary.
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by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Nov 15, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Dana white doesn’t need to police what phil davis says…. but someone needs to tell phil Davis’ momma what he said… that teach him to keep his mouth shut.. :)
by bitteralex on Nov 15, 2011 3:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Davis' twitter avatar is a nittany lion logo with a tear drop coming out of it's eye...
wonder if the tear drop is for JoePa and the staff whom mishandled this or the kids whom were put in a dangerous situation on the campus.
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First of all, someone in the UFC should probably tell its fighters to go with “no comment” on these situations.
Seriously. It’s like these guys need a palm card that they carry with them wherever they go that has big bold letters:
NO COMMENT
No good could have possibly come from Davis bringing across his point of view here.
If I see a man showering with kids regardless if there’s sexual contact or not the only way I’m not calling the cops is if I go get a bat and pumble the degenerate and that’s no tough guy talk, that’s I’m a dad and that’s what I’d want another dad to do talk.
In most situations it’s easy to be hypicritical and have 20/20 hindsight when your not in a situation and say oh I would have done this or done that… BUT in this case if you witness this or even hear about this how do you not contact authorities how is there any other logical action… ? Even if you don’t want to be “that guy” you can just call anomyously and give enough info to get the ball rolling… this is just pathetic.
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Muzzling Fighters
Strange that so many people think the UFC should put a gag on these fighters especially Brent Brookhouse. Do you really want PR reps fielding any and all questions or do you want real opinions ?? There won’t be much traffic on BE to read “No Comment”
"At the end of the day it's just sad for the children involved."
Fixed that comment for you, Phil.
Downlow...
Cough…Freemason, cough cough, typical cough er hem, clear throat…
In the words of Bill Cooper, “When will you people wake up?”
"...I suspect he's going to be remembered for the way he left, under these circumstances and that's really not fair,"
Fair? How fair was it for a 10 year old to get raped by a dirty old man when someone could have put a stop to it? (Assuming the allegations are true which I believe are.)
I don't see how this follows...
What happened to the boy isn’t fair. That doesn’t somehow change Paterno’s status. We have no idea what exactly he was told by McQueary. He did not witness the act. And he passed it onto to the head of the campus police and the a.d.
I will post what I posted on my facebook page. Disappointed in you, Phil.
I am done with Penn State Pride. Over it. Listen, I have more Penn State Pride than any of you. Except maybe my brother. Still, I was wearing blue and white in the womb. I had my future college planned before I could read. I made my first visit to office hours at age 4 when daycare wasn’t running over the summer and my dad took me to work. I’ve lived in this town for all of the life that I remember. And all this week, I’ve heard again and again about Penn State Pride. And I heard it again at the candle light vigil for the victims, Penn State Pride.
This is not about FUCKING Penn State Pride. This is about a predator and the survivors of his crimes. This is about how to help THEM and how to stop HIM and anyone like him from raping children again.
Yes, I will be at the game tomorrow, and yes, I still love my university. But can we please, for ONE SECOND, realize that this is much bigger and much more important than our institutional pride or identity? That this is not about reputation, or image, or even football? This about justice. Not rallying the troops or circling the wagons. Doing those things is how we got here. Never forget that what happened was not a result of insufficient pride, it was a result of people placing that pride above the morals that said pride is supposed to stem from.
No more about Penn State Pride. Let’s talk about justice, and let’s talk about healing.
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by gzl5000 on Nov 15, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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