Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Will Not Be Happening Any Time Soon
by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2011 10:06 PM EST
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PrintBoxing had a stellar weekend, seeing Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez put on a third great fight against each other Saturday night on a card with three legitimately good bouts. Despite talk from both Floyd Mayweather and Bob Arum that they'd be open to negotiations for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather to finally happen, it now appears the fight is dead before negotiations even get off the ground.
Dan Rafael of ESPN with the tweet:
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Dan Rafael Breaking: @FloydMayweather & @GoldenBoyBoxing have been told @trboxing won't negotiate Pacquiao-FM in order to pursue 4th fight with Marquez
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There is no getting around how disappointing this is. But it's ultimately predictable. There's just too many politics at play and neither guy needs the other enough to force it to happen. These are guys making $20+ million for fights with too many egos at play.
Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook checks in on the news:
...with Marquez giving Pacquiao a horrible time again on Saturday night in what was a very good fight, the mood changed after, and it's been reported that Pacquiao and his team badly desire a fourth fight to try and finally get a convincing victory over Marquez, who feels that for a third time, he was robbed by the judges.
Marquez said after the fight on Saturday, when speaking with HBO's Max Kellerman, that he would consider retirement. If the money is right -- and it will be big, a career-best payday that tops the $5 million purse he made for Saturday's fight -- expect him to go in there with Manny one more time.
This will lead to predictable nonsense about how boxing is dying despite any and all indications suggesting otherwise. This isn't a boxing problem (feel free to name another must-see fight that we've been missing out on), it's a Pacquiao, Mayweather and Arum problem. Both men will continue to do big business without fighting each other.
While Pacquiao vs. Mayweather is a huge fight and one that is important to cement either fighter's legacy, I'd be perfectly content to watch Pacquiao and Marquez turn their trilogy into a tetralogy. It's almost guaranteed to be a great fight and it's a situation where one could have scored the first three fights all for Marquez, all for Pacquiao, all draws or anything in between.
It sucks to say it, but it's probably time that we treat the "mega-fight" like it will never happen and simply be a shocking surprise if it ever does. I'm going to go ahead and embrace Pacquiao vs. Marquez IV if it happens, it's as good as we're going to get.
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by Tonley on Nov 14, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
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by T.P. Grant on Nov 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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by HERZ on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hah, sucks to be a boxing fan!
attempting to organise this fight is like walking on greasegrass
by Pyrgz Krum on Nov 14, 2011 10:14 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
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Thank god!
Don’t need a mega-fight like that.
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by SSreporters on Nov 14, 2011 10:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is anyone REALLY shocked that this is not going to happen. Again. Still.
penis head kick me...
by Earl Montclair on Nov 14, 2011 10:17 PM EST reply actions
The bad thing is
There’s not a single fight that can even touch the PPV numbers this fight would do. MMA or boxing. With this obviously not happening at all where are boxing’s next Pacquiaos and Mayweathers? Saul Alvarez is an excellent fighter. Maybe he could attract the Hispanic market. Amir Khan could be a draw as he’s fun to watch but he doesn’t take too kindly to getting hit, which is why they have him fighting has-beens like Judah and random European people.
Boxing needs this. They really do. No one gives two shits about the HW division and that’s one of the reasons boxing is not in the spotlight as much anymore. The best American HW boxer is Chris Arreola for god’s sakes.
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by SSreporters on Nov 14, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Canelo may get around to fighting Mayweather at some point, who looks more likely to stick around longer than Manny.
Court proceedings ain’t cheap, and Flloyd is knee deep in a lot of shit.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 14, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Canelo vs. Manny is the fight to make, IMO.
Either Manny keeps up as the giant slayer Mexicutioner, or the new Mexican hero dethrones the man who beat Morales, Barrera, Margarito, and arguably robbed Marquez three times. As a fan of making money… that’s the fight to make.
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Canelo is a bit young, still. I'd say give him another year or so; but by then who knows what Manny's plans ought to be.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Alvarez is already huge and he’s 21 years old.
Khan was supposed to fight Bradley, that’s not on him. After Bradley pulled out he fought Judah.
Brandon Rios is making a name for himself as must-see-TV and is young.
Andre Ward is doing the thing that Mayweather did for a long time before becoming a guy people wanted to see, winning and being an asshole. Bute vs. Ward after Ward gets rid of Froch will be a big fight.
Victor Ortiz might be crazy as shit but he has a name, skills and youth.
Mike Alvarado is flawed but is an action guy and being a flawed action guy can make a star (see Gatti, Arturo)
Mikey Garcia is crazy good.
Jose Benavidez, Jr. is maybe the brightest prospect in boxing and is American.
It’s just the same as “what happens when De La Hoya is done?” well, new stars emerge. Mayweather wasn’t a huge star before Oscar, it was around the same time that Manny was becoming Manny. Every single turnover in boxing always has a “well who is the next guy?!” and they always emerge.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
But surely it's different now?
Rios, Alvarez, and Ward are the best youngsters out there. Bute is actually my favorite fighter right now. But the previous stars of boxing never had to share the spotlight with Jon Jones, or Junior dos Santos. The media is covering MMA a lot more than it ever has. It’s not going to be as easy to promote the next big boxing star when Friday Night Fights has to have an MMA minute.
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by SSreporters on Nov 14, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see why the sports should have to cancel each other.
Basketball isn’t really hurt by baseball, is it?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 14, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
No they aren't
But I don’t see how they’re comparable.
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by SSreporters on Nov 14, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I guess you may be right.
I just need more info on how MMA and boxing could block each others’ success.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 14, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, I tend not to worry when Ortiz vs. Berto can get 1.5 million viewers. boxing still averages big numbers on HBO and Showtime and boxing is returning to NBC (and Versus, but more importantly NBC) soon.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Bute hasn’t fought anyone good YET
by Inspectorxr5 on Nov 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brian Magee isn’t awful. I’d like to defend his fight with Glen Johnson but that was a fucking weird fight where Johnson looked pretty awful.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
You like Bootay?
His last performance was the boxing equivalent of a Fitching.
by Rob Young on Nov 14, 2011 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hate Brandon Rios so much but love watching him fight so I end up rooting for him.
Can you please help me with this? I may need a therapist but I turn to you first.
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Khan's weakness is overstated
Sure he doesn’t have the greatest chin, but he handled Maidana even if he did fade late. And as far as his competition goes, he’s called out Marquez.
Will he be as great as two of the best boxers of all time? No, probably not.
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by Neil Manich on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Boxing has been around for almost 200 years.
Its kept Itself going. There will always be stars. There have been dry spells in divisions like the HW division now. For a boxing fan there are alot of guys out there that are great to watch like Sergio Martinez who would beat both Floyd and Pac at 150. There are so many great boxers and its so big worldwide and such a traditional sport that I just don’t see it dying out.
by bert44 on Nov 15, 2011 2:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The title of this article should be
Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Will Not Be Happening. Ever.
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by T.P. Grant on Nov 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Silvio Dante on Nov 15, 2011 5:00 AM EST up reply actions
The thing is, this one fight is still one fight. It isn’t important to the overall long term health of the sport which is what people get confused about.
Floyd and Manny both have maybe 2 years left at the top level (if that) so it’s not as important as creating new stars and putting on great fight, which is happening. It’s missing out on a big fight and it sucks but it’s not like if this fight never happens it somehow is the end of boxing.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's just that the fight not happening is absolutely fucking inexcusable.
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Dude yr article was really good. Its spot on… Everyone wants to blame on or the other but its really both of them ducking the fight. I guarantee the fight happens. There is no way this fight doesn’t happen. People see floyd as a pussy but he really is a fighter through and through. He has a kind ofa old school boxing fight mentality he adapted from roger and floyd Sr. He will want to beat PAC… He knows he has to beat pac for his legacy.. He knows that. How can u say mayweather and pac have two years tops? That’s crazy. Pac maybe. MAYBE. Mayweather is most likely still gonna be a beast in Two years. He has the skills to last.
by bert44 on Nov 15, 2011 2:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I ain't going through this shit again.
‘Cause fighting three times, tying him once, and “beating” him two ain’t enough? Are you fucking real?
Fuck boxing.
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Fuck Bob Arum
He is the reason why this fight hasn’t happened
by Mohammedini Hussein on Nov 15, 2011 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
Watch the actual fights
Yeah Manny is 2-0-1 in them, but could easily be 0-3. He wants a clear win and who can blame him.
Fuck that title
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Yes.
100% this.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 14, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd has been dodging pac-man for years...
Now that Pacquiao looks vulnerable Floyd is all about the fight, go figure. I think it is just a negotiating ploy by both sides
Turns out that Flloyd bitched out when, as things turn out, he'd have gutted him all along.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 14, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd has been dodging
while Manny looks so-so fights guys Floyd dominated. Yeah. That’s a fair assessment.
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I’m talking about over the last few years… every time this fight got discussed Floyd started throwing either drug testing requirements that he doesn’t ask of any other opponent, or un-realistic purse splits, or he just “retired”. Now it is Pac-mans team that is bitching out.
Drug testing requirements that he made admitted user Mosley meet
as well as Victor Ortiz. I’m not going to go nuts on “just take the test” kind of stuff since Manny and Floyd both rose through a lot of weight classes. Just saying that it’s not a huge imposition for other fighters looking to make money.
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No one fighter should get to make unprecedented arbitrary demands of the other fighter or their camp. It doesn’t matter if Mayweather coerced other opponents, the point is they shouldn’t have given in to him.
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by Damon O. on Nov 14, 2011 10:32 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
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by Earl Montclair on Nov 14, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
(feel free to name another mist-see fight that we’ve been missing out on
I think the problem is that I can’t actually name another must-see fight, period.
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by inthepipes on Nov 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
If it isn't happening now it isn't happening ever.
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by BROCKLESNAR!!!!! on Nov 14, 2011 10:53 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
I shed a tear.
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by halitosis on Nov 15, 2011 7:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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All the Money haters need to find someone else whom they think can “humble” him cause after this last fight Mayweather has the perfect blueprint to smash Manny
by 1N87 on Nov 14, 2011 10:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m disappointed. I think Floyd wins but I’m losing interest. Now it’s more about need for it to happen. How can they not fight? There will always be that blemish that they both avoided or whatever each other. They’ll have to answer that till they die.
by Inspectorxr5 on Nov 14, 2011 10:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't care how close they are I don't need to see them fight AGAIN
At least not before the Floyd-Pacquiao fight. After that they can have the 4th fight, but it’s silly to do it back to back. Even if Marquez wins the record will be 1-2-1 in favor of Manny. These are two guys who clearly cancel each other out. I watch fights because I’m curious to what will happen. There is no curiosity here anymore.
With Thanksgiving coming I’d like to say that im thankful for the numerous great fights this year. I cannot wait for Cotto-Margarito. If you haven’t seen it, please watch HBO’s Faceoff with Cotto-Margarito. There first fight was amazing. I’ve always said that’s the fight I would show someone who didn’t follow boxing.
by Inspectorxr5 on Nov 14, 2011 11:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree 100%
I agree 100%. Many say that boxing is drasticly declining, i say what do you have to tell me after sat night? Boxing is perfectly fine and there is nothing wrong with it at all.
And we all know out of the numerous upon numerous boxing stars there are, they are all fighting each other, so i agree that we are not missing out on anything in boxing.
After sat i have ZERO interest in seeing pac vs maywheather. Its just like the ufc;whenever there are close exciting fights, they should book them to fight against each other repeatly multiple times. And it dosent matter if they are other fights to make, because the fights were close in the past.
I’ve watched the fight 5 times and you need to watch it without the crowd and commentary. Thats why many think Marquez actually won.
by NihilisticJ0ker on Nov 14, 2011 11:07 PM EST reply actions
It sucks that they aren't going to fight
but I’m guessing the people that are complaining the most vociferously don’t watch much boxing because I would think they’d be more excited about the fights that are coming up – Peterson vs Khan, Cotto vs Margarito, Ward vs Froch, Mares vs Agbeko – then the one fight not being made.
Mares vs Agbeko II is a bittersweet fight.
After how cooked the first bout felt, it’s more a necessity than a delightful treat for fans.
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Ward-Froch
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by Inspectorxr5 on Nov 15, 2011 8:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
officially
Don’t give a fuck anymore. Pac-Man is getting freebies and Floyd is sucker punching fools.
He wears a t shirt that says: I was robbed 49 times
by Bichorudo on Nov 14, 2011 11:31 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
I wish Pacquiao would just shave that shit already
his sponsors even offered to pay him to but he wouldn’t.
Maybe he has hideous chin boils
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Pacquiao's scared.
This is ridiculous. No one wants to see the judges hand him another fight against Marquez.
I don't think Pacquiao is scared
I think Arum is.
by HaterSlayer on Nov 15, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone here really want to see a fourth fight?
by discoandherpes on Nov 15, 2011 12:10 AM EST reply actions
Just move along folks. Manny had three chances to finish Marquez decisively but failed time and time again
what will a fourth fight prove anything different?
That Mrquez is six years older and his window is closer to be shut than Manny's, so you can see how Top Rank is interested.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 15, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think this is a bigger risk
If the other night was anything to go by, Marquez might get the win in a 4th fight and Boxing’s ultimate superfight is well and truly sunk.
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by KJ Gould on Nov 15, 2011 5:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The crazy thing is, now the Mayweather side is looking like the logical ones. I don’t think Floyd wanted the fight up until Saturday and then he saw some chinks in Pacquiao’s armor that he could exploit, namely his vulnerability to counter punches.
Now it’s Arum that looks like the obstructionist. As a boxing fan, I’ve given up on this fight happening. Boxing not going to die if the fight doesn’t happen. It’s not going to get a much needed shot in the arm, either. There’s still going to be a lot of good fights, and even some great ones (like Kirkland va Angulo) on HBO and Showtime for years to come. They may not get the mainstream attention that Pacquiao – Mayweather would get but I’ll appreciate them.
by Steve W on Nov 15, 2011 7:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
lol Manny's weakness to counterpunchers was nothing new
the 3 JMM fights, the first Morales fight where morales beat Pac’s ass by countering him…
Bob arum was ducking this fight before the 3rd fight with JMm.
Bob Arum was so desperate after he heard Mayweather booked a may 5th date in Las VEgas that he made up desperate excuses.
excuses like " Mayweather is a racist, I’m worried he could hurt Pacquiao’s political career" !!!!!!
by Mohammedini Hussein on Nov 15, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
This could all just be posturing
Nothing is set at the moment. Another fight with Marquez could be a good draw after the most recent fight and I’m sure they’re glad to have it as an option, but the reality is that the big fight is Manny vs Mayweather. Right now Mayweather has the upper hand in negotiations because Manny struggled against Marquez. It’s very likely that Arum and company are just using the possibility of a fourth fight as leverage.
Here is a thought...
Manny wants a win, but has he thought of what would happen if he fights Marquez and loses? It seems like his camp is just assuming that a fourth fight would be a decisive W in favor of Manny. They have fought 3 times and it seems like Marquez just has a great style to thwart Manny. There is no reason to believe that a fourth fight would be any different.
If he is going to fight a close fight that could very well be a L, wouldn’t he rather have it come against the undefeated and arguably best pound for pound fighter in the world?
Thats kinda the problem....
…if he fight Floyd, arguabley the best P4P boxer in the world, it won’t be a " close fight that could very well be a L". It’ll be a land slide of an ass whooping. The only reason his fight against Marquez was “close” was cuz Marquez is older, slower and smaller. And I used quotes for CLOSE because one judge had the fight 116-112. 8 rounds to 4 is not close by any means. Under normal circumstances I wouldn’t call a close fight a robbery, but according to all of the judges, none of them gave the fight to Marquez. The best one gave him is a draw.
it was a robbery in my eyes.
I barely saw Pac land a good punch on JMm except for the 6th and 12th.
He won rounds with flashy flurries that missed alot and JMM countered
by Mohammedini Hussein on Nov 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't wanna be pessimistic but.....
……I’ve laready given up on a Manny/Floyd Jr fight, like about a good a whole year ago. Call me naive but I still had it in my heart and mind that it would happen. Thats why this robbery was so hard to swallow. If Manny, once again had this much trouble against an older, slower, naturally smaller framed counter punching Marquez, what hope in fucking hell does he have againt Floyd Jr? If that fight ever happens, we’re gonna see a $70 one sided ass/schooling whooping of Manny. When over a million people order that fight, they’re gonna say this is what we were waiting for? This is the Manny we thought was gonna stop Floyd? This is what the judges robbed Marquez for?
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