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I have no idea if this is common practice for UFC events, but Esther Lin of MMAFighting.com captured an interesting sight on Saturday night. UFC staff painting over the blood already on the canvas, prior to the main event airing on FOX.

Business as usual? Zuffa simply wanting to put their best foot forward? A warning sign that FOX may not be fully embracing all aspects of the sport? What say you?

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usually they clean up pretty good between fights if necessary/possible

by hewsdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

They never paint over blood stains

by Scott Haber on Nov 14, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, washing seems appropriate to avoid infection, painting seems like overkill.

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by gzl5000 on Nov 14, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably just wanted it to look nice and clean before the fights.

I know they reuse the canvas quite a few times, it doesn’t seem outlandish for them to touch it up every once in a while.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I had read that they use a fresh one each time

But people seem to have quite different opinions on this.

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by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I cant really tell from this picture if they’re painting or disinfecting. It looks like the third guy has a spray bottle thats normally used to spray bloodstains

by hewsdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

If you follow the black hose...

… across the cage, it looks like it’s attached to spray gun (in the hand of the third guy, probably powered by compressed air). Larger version here:

Plus, this is coming from Esther. I doubt she’d make something like that up.

by woooburn on Nov 14, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

I don’t think it has anything to do with FOX not “fully embracing all aspects of the sport”. I think it was just for first time viewers.

It’s very possible that people would be turned off by the sight of blood on the canvas before the one bout they were watching even began.

Just my 2 cents.

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by FightCove on Nov 14, 2011 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, that’s my thoughts on it as well. I just put that bit in there cus I remember there being alot of discussion after the first CBS/Elite XC card, about some similar production decisions. Like… cutting away in the middle of a round, to show wide shots of the arena, rather than blood, etc (might’ve been during the Kimbo/James Thompson cauliflower ear fiasco, not sure).

Like or it not though, the blood thing isn’t going anywhere. What will happen, if say, someone sustains a huge Joe-Stevenson-style cut during a future FOX event? Which brings me around to the “all aspects” bit. If there’s already discussion about how much blood (if any) can be shown (see: painting the canvas between fights), then maybe MMA isn’t the best fit for primetime television.

Totally understand the desire to appeal to the larger possible audience, but they shouldn’t try to mask the true (sometimes brutal) nature of the sport in the process.

by woooburn on Nov 14, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i couldnt help but think about the mark hominick hematoma.

that pops up on primetime tv just as everybody and their grandma is tuning in, some blow back is gunna occur

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by mattsterguy on Nov 14, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

Who really cares? It’s a superficial injury.

by discoandherpes on Nov 15, 2011 4:17 AM EST up reply actions  

ignorant non MMA fans care

and those are the people the UFC was trying to introduce to the sport last weekend.

by polevaultking on Nov 15, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

If they watch the sport they’ll learn about what is a serious injury vs. what is a superficial injury. If they get freaked out by the sight of blood or swelling, then they’re probably not going to be fans of the sport anyway.

by discoandherpes on Nov 15, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit

Just think about the last Josh Neer fight and putting that on Fox. 72 consecutive elbows to the face = bleeding hamburger

Wheeeee!

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by hardlyworking on Nov 14, 2011 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

I hope the new potential viewership will be able to get over the whole blood thing. The cuts themselves are usually only very superficial, so it’s not like the dude is in any huge danger… however, actually seeing someone’s face gush blood is very off-putting to viewers used to sports where no blood is ever seen.

Grisly gross drippy bloody stuff has been around on primetime shows for a while now (I guess CSI was the first to really spearhead that stuff), so hopefully people don’t get their stomachs turned over watching what is easily the greatest sport currently. It’s always different when it’s real, though.

I personally never had a problem with the blood when I first watched MMA (this would be around 2008) because it’s made quite obvious that the cut is really just an inconvenience rather than actual damage. The only time I’ve really felt nauseated by combat sports is when I watched Vale Tudo / NHB stuff without realized just how brutal they got back then. Scary stuff sometimes.

There’s an inherent honesty to MMA… there’s no disguising the damage or playing down the fact that a guy just had his carotid arteries squeezed until he almost blacked out. It’s refreshing, but demands facing that particular aspect of reality. It seems somewhat unfortunate that this attribute which in my opinion makes MMA really quite special is the attribute that is steadily being downplayed. Painting over blood on the canvas, come on that is just fucking symbolism like whoa.

by Pyrgz Krum on Nov 15, 2011 1:41 AM EST reply actions  

Well, if you get queasy at the sight of blood

then MMA definitely isn’t going to be a great fit for you.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The cuts themselves are usually only very superficial

Cuts above the eyes are very dangerous, as they bleed down and can cause temportary vision impairment, or even blindness. The approach in American MMA to such cuts seems far more relaxed than in boxing or old JMMA, but I think that we are beginning to see a shift towards seeing them as a greater concern.

I personally never had a problem with the blood when I first watched MMA

I would say that your personal reaction was atypical. I have recently been introducing many people to MMA, and one of the biggest turn offs for them is often blood, be it one a fighter, or stained into the mat.

Painting over blood on the canvas, come on that is just fucking symbolism like whoa.

I suspect that this was more to do with cleanliness and presentation, than the nature of blood itself.

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by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? Like a “not suitable for young viewers” kind of thing? I must’ve missed it.

by woooburn on Nov 15, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

They actually did. It only flashed for a couple seconds or so.

by discoandherpes on Nov 15, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

ridiculous

how about they do the same thing before kickoff on Sundays then

by Beast Infection on Nov 16, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see why people get so turned off by it, blood happens. That having been said, my mom gets a little nauseous if one of the fighters starts bleeding and can’t watch.

by thirdparty on Nov 15, 2011 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

You watch MMA with your Mum?

Your Mother is awesome.

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by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

it should be cleaned up after any mess

for sanitary reasons along with the look. keep the mat looking fresh.

by goodbadugly16 on Nov 15, 2011 2:00 AM EST reply actions  

Yep, I agree. Apart from the casuals maybe not liking all the blood, it should be cleaned for hygienic reasons.

by Fedornuthugger on Nov 15, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Out of all the UFC events I've attended this was the first time i saw them do this...

at first i thought they were putting different sponsors on the canvas for the Fox show but then it clicked with me.

by Rob Young on Nov 15, 2011 2:19 AM EST reply actions  

How was the event live?

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by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been to about 70 Zuffa events. This was the first time I ever witnessed them conceal blood staining on the mat. Wonder if they did it themselves or were instructed to do so by Fox who was co producing the event along with UFC’s regular crew.

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by FrontRowBrian on Nov 15, 2011 3:47 AM EST reply actions  

This is not an issue at all. Is it really a big deal that they wanted a clean mat for their network debut?

by Phildo on Nov 15, 2011 5:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

The change begins.

This is the first of many changes to come. These kind of things happen when a sport goes mainstream. Gotta pretty up the product when you are sending it to soccer moms living room.

by fightersvizion on Nov 15, 2011 7:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

What other changes do you suspect?

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by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Go to hell.

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by T.C. Engel on Nov 16, 2011 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell is Seacrest joining the announcing team too.

by Balrog on Nov 16, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

We used to spray the boxing ring with OxiClean and rub a cloth on it once and that Sh*t was gone. Paint why?

by DeathFart on Nov 15, 2011 7:21 AM EST reply actions  

Instead of Bendo – Guida, they should have showed Joe Daddy vs. BJ

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by mburtoni on Nov 15, 2011 7:50 AM EST reply actions  

MMAFighting’s Ben Fowlkes shares his thoughts on the topic:

Apparently the UFC and FOX felt that network TV viewers could handle seeing blood if it was coming out of a human being, but old plasma left over from the night’s previous bouts was more than they could bear. So after the Guida-Henderson bout had concluded and before dos Santos and Velasquez took the cage, a small crew of workers got out the paint and heat gun and erased those bloodstains before the FOX cameras caught sight of them. The thing is, the mat wasn’t even all that bloody. Sure, after nine fights some of the red stuff had spilled, but we’ve seen much worse inside the Octagon. Those “millions of new viewers” haven’t though, and as White said in the post-fight press conference, the UFC is looking to “ease into this.” Even if it means choking the poor cageside photographers with paint fumes.

by woooburn on Nov 15, 2011 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

someone green this!!

by eckoltz on Nov 15, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

If I was new to MMA

And I hadn’t really seen a serious fight, I could understand somebody being bothered by the fact that there was blood already staining the canvas, before the fight had even started. If you don’t see where the blood came from, then it’s just mystery blood, which is a little unsettling.

by Warbreezy on Nov 15, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Not knowing where the blood came from

or what happened to the fighter is the part that would bother people. It’s like how in horror movies, the scariest bad guy is always the one you can’t see.

by Warbreezy on Nov 15, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

There was an interesting opinion given in the open thread during the event on this matter (wish I could credit the source) about how there is a different perception with the blood already staining the mat and not knowing where it came from.
I think it is just a matter of putting there best foot forward, they were selling a single fight, not tie end of a card, making it look fresh is not a had thing and I think it just relates to
them wanting the slickest looking show they could get.

And on the blood note, there is always going to be a large part of our society that does not want to see it.

by troyd on Nov 15, 2011 10:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well, so they wanted the mat clean and fresh for their network debut. I have a hard time finding anything at all wrong with that.

by Horselover Fat on Nov 15, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

This

is it exactly. Why wouldn’t they want everything to look shiny and new for the Fox broadcast?

by Jeflee on Nov 15, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

(sorry, reply to Horselover Fat.)

by Jeflee on Nov 15, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm in the same camp

As those who see nothing wrong with this, and regard it as a sensible and understandable production choice.

It is far from some subtle attack on an important aspect of the sport.

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by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Fox wanted no blood on the canvas for the JDS vs Cain fight

this was discussed on the UG. One of the posters worked for Fox and gave us a heads up on this a couple weeks before the fight.

by mcpeepants23200 on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions  

See, that’s the issue I’m trying to discuss here. Not whether or not they should have painted it, but rather WHO made the call to do so? And if it was FOX, could it perhaps be a sign of things to come (See: EliteXC/CBS comments above).

Have no issue with them trying to look presentable, just curious about the context of the decision is all.

by woooburn on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It was probably Fox

Bad Left Hook

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by Drunken cutman on Nov 15, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Canvas Blood vs. Spilled Bag of Ice- NHB death match, who takes it?

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

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