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Following Pacquiao vs. Marquez, Arum Says UFC's One-Hour Fox Debut Helped Boxing

The best news for fight fans is that the UFC on Fox ended in plenty of time to see Mike Alvarado (pictured) overcome having his lip ripped in half to stop Breidis Prescott in the final round of a great fight. (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez will go down in the history books as a success. The two men put on a bout filled with drama and a level of evenness that befit their legendary trilogy perfectly. The scorecards led to controversy as many (most?) scored the bout for Marquez, but in the fight sport business a little controversy makes for good water cooler talk and the kind of buzz an "event sport" needs.

Of course, there was another little combat sports event going on the same evening with the UFC making their Fox debut with a heavyweight title fight. Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum gave his thoughts on the UFC and Fox's decision to air the same night. Via the New York Post:

"They thought they would hurt us," Arum said of the UFC. "Instead they got hurt because they got buried. But I think the fact they're just on for an hour helps us."

I actually seriously doubt that this was any attempt to "hurt" the boxing event. If anything, the fact that the UFC followed up their show by putting the Pacquiao and Marquez fight on every TV at their post-fight event is an indication that it had little to do with any sort of animus toward boxing. Not to mention Dana White never once mentioning that anyone should skip the Pacquiao/Marquez show and instead pushing the idea that they'd be off the air in plenty of time to catch the majority of the boxing card.

Similarly I don't think that the UFC got buried. I think that the buzz in the days following is tilted in boxing's favor in terms of mass media and interest (trust me, the traffic between the events is not even close). But that's more a product of the Fox event lacking enough time to build properly. You had a lot of talking, a minute of action and more talking. It was a great moment for Junior dos Santos and a great moment for the UFC, but it was what it was in terms of overall starpower and action. That still doesn't constitute the UFC having been "buried."

We have enough years of data at this point to fully embrace the idea that the growth of MMA has had little effect on boxing and boxing's big events don't have any impact on the UFC's bottom line.

Boxing is actually in a healthier place than it has been in years and it seems like 2011 has seen an inordinate amount of great fights in the sport. The Main Events deal with NBC to return boxing to network TV as well as hold events on Versus was a big step as has been much better matchmaking. Every PPV of the past year for boxing has included some great fights and the upcoming Miguel Cotto vs. Antonio Margarito card is the best combat sports card of the year as far as I'm concerned with tremendous action fights up and down.

In the end, Arum is just doing what Arum does. He's talking up his product like any promoter. He can't help himself but take his little shots at the UFC because he's a creature of ego butting heads with one of his own in Dana White.

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he is supposed to say that

he is a promoter. No big deal, it means nothing

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by T.P. Grant on Nov 14, 2011 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Especially since it's Bob Arum

that guy says nothing but bullshit. Alot of people blame him for the Floyd/ Manny fight not getting put together yet.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 14, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I never understood Dana's point on this though

Because even though Manny wasnt fighting when the UFC was on FOX, that PPV was still going on.

Maybe I’m in the minority because I’m a hardcore fan but I never order a PPV and only watch 1 fight. It would be like me buying the UFC next weekend and then watching college football until Shogun/Hendo.

The only reason it worked out for me is because I bought the ppv, recorded it as well, watched the UFC on FOX and then started the boxing PPV at the beggining.

by bigdmmafan on Nov 14, 2011 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

By the time the UFC on Fox was over

Only one fight of the PPV had happened and it was a prelim fight so you weren’t missing much if you chose to watch it after.

" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama

by 40 Cal. on Nov 14, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like boxing fans are more likely to only watch the main even on a PPV than MMA fans

That is of course completely unfounded and just my gut, that is to say not worth shit.

by Neil Manich on Nov 14, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

No I think that’s absolutely true. I consider my friends both casual MMA and Boxing fans. They’ll pay attention to the entirety of an MMA card, but pay next to no attention to preliminary Boxing fights.

by nastyem on Nov 14, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

gotta disagree on this event

back in the glory days PPVs were fucking stacked then came the shit era we have basically featuring 1 or 2 worthy PPV fights but this was a good card and boxing has had better cards the last couple years.

Prescott vs Alvarado was an entertaining war featuring the rising fighter vs the gatekeeper

Bradley vs Casamayor was the legit man at 140 vs one of the craftiest fighters of the last 25 years. Granted El Cepilo is 40, I still wanted to see how he would make the fight dirty (he always doeS).

Add in Mayweather vs Ortiz had the thrilling Erik Morales win and Pacquiao vs mosley had the Mike Jones fight.

By the time 64 seconds was up the Burgos fight was in the 9th (first fight on PPV broadcast) personally I dont see anyway this UFC card outperformed Pac vs Marquez, watching from a bar it was almost comical, literally less then 2 minutes of MMA then they switched the Oregon – Stanford game back on while the boxing PPV was on all the ther t.v.s

Not trying to shit on Dana or anythign but i think its clear from even a casual mma fan that this did not go as expected or even close to it.

by TheBirdsDen on Nov 14, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

watching from a bar it was almost comical, literally less then 2 minutes of MMA then they switched the Oregon – Stanford game back on while the boxing PPV was on all the ther t.v.s

This. If they had put on the best undercard fight on Fox it would have been a different story.

by Rufford on Nov 14, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You’d have missed very little other than about 4 rounds of the opener, which was a good fight. But if you could make your evening watching a heavyweight title fight and then a few boxing matches before a huge one? Nothing wrong with that.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Was a good card for boxing except maybe the fight just before Paquiao and Marquez. I’m not that into boxing but I thought boxing put on a much better show that night if you watched them side by side.

by Rufford on Nov 14, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone happen to have an extra

Mouth ball gag lying around? If so stick it in Arum’s mouth Please and Thank You!!!

" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama

by 40 Cal. on Nov 14, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

When was the last time Bob Arum really said anything significant or substantial about MMA compared to boxing? Yeah he is just talking.

This is the same guy that is already taking about a 4th fight between Pacquiao and Marquez.

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"but if there's anyone who wants to finish fights it's me." - GSP

by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

ducking floyd because he may say something racist?

by hewsdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

good point.

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"but if there's anyone who wants to finish fights it's me." - GSP

by VeeisAnimated on Nov 14, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh…I’m okay with a 4th fight honestly. You can see the current three as all marquez, all manny and all draws. I’d sure as shit rather see #4 than Pacquiao vs. Tim Bradley

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I have the trilogy scored..

2-0-1 Marquez

and I agree about Marquez 4 > Bradley

by TheBirdsDen on Nov 14, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If Mayweather/Pacquiao can’t be made, a 4th fight isn’t such a bad idea.

by Vonk on Nov 14, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

one question

has anyone ever seen bob arum and chael sonnen in the same room together?

just asking.

by Clifford J on Nov 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Best combat sports event of the year?

If you want to be so broad, it’s ADCC without question.

Real BElitists only rec ironically.

by Charles Awad on Nov 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

All I'm going to say

is that where I work, no one is talking about boxing and everyone is talking about the UFC. I don’t know how boxing can pay the fighters what they pay them because I feel like no one is paying attention but I must be wrong. Bob is a hater anyways, he’ll never say anything good about mma.

Shut up, Tito.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Nov 14, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

that line where you say "maybe Im wrong"

theres your answer

  1. 1 MMA live gate in Las Vegas = 5.397 million for Lidell vs Ortiz 2

to give you an idea that is behind the #36th highest Vegas Boxing gate
Ali vs Holmes did 5.76 million

Pacquiao vs Mosley did 8.882 mllion at the gate ranking 14th highest in NEvada history.

Highest gate all time 18.419 million (DLH-Mayweather)
2nd Lewis vs Holyfield 2 16.18 Million
3rd Pac vs DLH 14.380 million live gate

So to answer your question boxing is able to pay its top stars what they pay them because big time boxing matches nearly triple what the best MMA gate equals.

by TheBirdsDen on Nov 14, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s also the fact that HBO and Showtime bid over broadcast rights for the fights. And then you add in the PPV money.

Trust me, guys like Bob Arum don’t stick to plans that cost them money

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by Brent Brookhouse on Nov 14, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

True Dat Brent Brook

Remember yall Bob Arum is the man with this famous quote

“Today I am telling the truth, yesterday I was lying”

by TheBirdsDen on Nov 14, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve heard about Showtime throwing crazy amount of money in signing bonuses at boxers that are ultimately untested.

by discoandherpes on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Dear Arum,

Shut the fuck up.

"Well... You're damned if you do, and You're damned if you don't."- Bart Simpson

by poundnground on Nov 14, 2011 7:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That one dude is killing us inside

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

oops, wrong thread

Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).

"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates

by ElliotMatheny on Nov 15, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

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