UFC on Fox Results: Winners, Losers, and Additional Thoughts
by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 12:44 PM EST
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Less than 24 hours ago the UFC made its Fox debut with a heavyweight title fight between champion Cain Velasquez and Junior Dos Santos. The high of the night has worn off and now it's time to break down the fights, the production, and the intangibles from the broadcast television debut.
Winners:
Junior Dos Santos - Some people would say that Junior's had the toughest road to a UFC title than any of the current champions. After beating Fabricio Werdum in his debut, he's faced Gabriel Gonzaga, Roy Nelson, and Shane Carwin. Last night was the culmination and he put a stamp on the occassion. He's the undisputed heavyweight champion and it couldn't happen to a more humble guy. My hat's off to him.
Ben Henderson - How much difference a year makes eh? He lost his WEC lightweight belt at WEC 53 along with an immediate shot at the winner of Frankie Edgar/Gray Maynard II. The shot went to Anthony Pettis who opted to not wait around and lost it when he faced Clay Guida at the Ultimate Fighter 13 finale in June. Bendo went on a tear in the UFC and after last night, has been rewarded with a title shot in Japan.
Dustin Poirier - The man to derail the Josh Grispi hype train picked up another big win. He's probably two fights out from a featherweight title shot. He has legitimate skills on the feet and ground. It'll be exciting to see how he progresses moving forward.
Darren Uyenoyama - He's had to deal with a ton of garbage with Shooto in the past and last night he got to showcase that he is one of the top grapplers at 135. He picked up a win over a name fighter and the bantamweight division has a new contender.
Fox and the UFC - Last night was fantastic. The production values added by Fox were noticeable immediately and the format was successful. MMA fans need to realize that last night wasn't for us. It's sole purpose was to introduce the sport to a larger audience. They did it. It was a success.
Losers and additional thoughts after the jump...
SBN coverage of UFC on Fox 1: Velasquez vs. Dos Santos
Losers:
Cain Velasquez - It's bad enough that he lost his title in 64 seconds but the champion was absolutely torn apart by UFC President Dana White. He'll obviously return to form and contend for the belt again in the future. For now he's the biggest loser on the night. Props for handling defeat with grace, there's no reason to apologize for a loss.
Clay Guida & Ben Henderson - If a FOTY candidate happens and noone sees it, did it really happen? That's the philosophical question that these two will be dealing with for the next couple of weeks. Absolutely great performance, too bad the only people who saw it were fans who tuned into Facebook.
Fox and the UFC - The plan was for the opening two rounds to be entirely commercial free. This tells me that they had anticipated the fight would at least get out of the first. Having a quick knockout probably isn't what they were hoping for and it may have turned off some new fans that a fight can end so suddenly.
Dana White - The UFC President is an emotional man but he absolutely tore down his former champ for the entirety of the post-fight segment. He never once built up Dos Santos, instead continuously saying "he has a bad gas tank". I said immediately afterwards that White will probably regret not using the time better but such is life. He's a loser on the night for not recognizing how to use Fox better to promote his new champion.
Additional Thought:
The way that MMA fans complained last night was absolutely hilarious. So much so that at this point I'm sure they'll complain about anything. The UFC gave away a title fight on free television and the complaints were that they had to watch the rest of the card on their laptops? Most of you illegally stream fights anyways. And if you do pay for fights then you saved $55 and got a card for free. What can you possibly complain about when it comes to the fights?
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And Sweden, and Australia
It sounds like the non-USA TV broadcast was more palatable and condensed than the official Fox broadcast.
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I loved watching the Hedo/Guida fight. Wish I knew it was going to air in Australia cause I looked up the results before hand.
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by Earltron on Nov 13, 2011 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This event had way too much filler in that one hour time slot.
Fox should have done a seperate 30 min pre fight and post fight show, and add Henderson-Guida to the main card. 1 minute of fighting to 59 minutes of hype talk would be frustrating for anyone to sit through. I’m glad I watched it on dvr and was able to FF through all the nonsense.
It is easy to say that in hindsight knowing now the title fight only lasted 1 minute…but they couldn’t guarantee both fights could be aired in 1 hour…simple math:
5 5-minute rounds = 25 minutes
1 minute between each round = 4 minutes
Walk-in and prefight discussion = 5 minutes minimum (probably really 10)
So the title fght needed a minimum of 34 minutes and that doesn’t include post fight interviews or any post fight discussion
Hendo vs Bendo:
3 5-minute rounds = 15 minutes
1 minute between rounds = 2 minutes
Welcome audience, pre-fight discussion, and walkins = minimum 5 minutes (probably need 10 to 15 minutes since you are catering to a new audience)
So with short changing the new audience, cutting post fight interviews, and using the absolute minimum time for everythng you are at 57 minutes would have to be planned for the event. For only an hour show, the best you can do is 1 5 round fight or 2 3 round fights.
Seriously!
I crunched those numbers myself and saw no reason why they shouldn’t have put the fight on the broadcast. Instead, they opted to show replays straight from the Primetime show.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 13, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
One fight?! WTF!!
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 13, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions
That's exactly what I thought
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 13, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Dana was quite unproffesional
at the post-fight conference. I was watching and all I could think was DAMN, he’s ripping on Cain hard.
Props to JDS, I picked Velasquez, and still would, in a rematch. JDS caught him fair and square and won, but I can’t help but shake the feeling that Velasquez is the better fighter, and wins that fight more often then not.
On that point, I think JDS destroys the winner of ubereem/lesnar, and whoever is next after that, until velasquez earns his rematch, which I am assuming he will.
Bendo looked great but I can’t bring myself to really seeing him beat edgar, even being someone who has picked him in all 3 of his ufc fights.
by the mexicutioners #1 fan on Nov 13, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions
"too bad the only people who saw it were fans who tuned into Facebook." False.
In the UK, we got Bendo vs Guida, then Cain vs JDS, then Johnson vs Harvison.
YOU LUCKY SONOFABITCH!
US fans were complaining that they had to sit around for 35 minutes for a minute of fighting.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
i wasn't complaining!
i made a sandwich, browsed BE and watched some football. no compalints here, since neither FOX nor the UFC forced me to sit in front of my TV. i just made sure i was there at 9:30, because that’s what time they told me the fight was starting.
I was surprised
The Guida vs Bendo fight started within about ten minutes of our broadcast then it ran through the other two fights without any real delays, apart from expected commercial breaks. We definitely got lucky!
Don't be scared Gomi...
by ThatsHowIRoll on Nov 13, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's the perfect ;
I have no idea why they didn’t do that in America.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 13, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Same in Oz
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by Earltron on Nov 13, 2011 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If a FOTY candidate happens and noone sees it, did it really happen?
I’m not sure but I think Fuel TV aired the fight.
I know Fox Deportes aired the fight.
What’s wrong with Facebook? (except intervals of a broken stream?)
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Fuel aired a minute highlight package of that
and a few other fights during the post fight show with Kenny Florian, Stephan Bonnar and Jay Glazer
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re: watching on a laptop.
For future reference to those complaining, laptops are easily connectable to hdtv’s these days. I watched the foxsports stream on my television & when that was over I just went to fox for.the rest.
by The Hamburger Pimp on Nov 13, 2011 12:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Most normal people don’t know how to do that though. Definitely a great solution if you have the right gear and know-how, but again it’s not a viable option for most people. Also obviously a little more work than simply turning on the TV
Personally I watch it on my computer since I have a 24" HD screen as monitor, so that’s pretty great. My TV is a fat old SDTV of about the same size, so no point in trying to hook that up..
by Horselover Fat on Nov 13, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
a computer monitor cord & an audio cord is all you need.
And some laptops can do it wirelessly these days.
Then you just set your preferences to work with two monitors & you’re golden. It’s a really simple 3 step process.
by The Hamburger Pimp on Nov 13, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know how to do it, but most people don’t, that’s all I’m saying. Actually though I can see now that your post was probably more meant as a kind of tip to your fellow man, and I sort of misread it as being some sort of statement about Facebook versus TV broadcasting of fights, which I disagreed with. My mistake.
by Horselover Fat on Nov 13, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I'm just trying to get the info out there.
Since it helps make watching the prelims more enjoyable. No worries, I took no offense.
by The Hamburger Pimp on Nov 13, 2011 6:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t understand why more people don’t do this. Many new PC’s have HDMI outlets, and Macs can all be connected via the mini display port. I’ve been hooking my laptop up to my TV since they started doing the online prelims.
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by mburtoni on Nov 13, 2011 12:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NOT ALL MACS.
My mac doesn’t have a mini display port. I wasn’t real happy that even the Apple store couldn’t help me hook up my mac to tv. Luckily a friends laptop had an HDMI port so we were able to use that. Anyone out there with a Mac that doesn’t have a mini display port that knows the adapter I need?
by PelvicThrust on Nov 13, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
what kind of ports do you have? if it’s only USB, firewire and ethernet, you’re out of luck.
by luckydevil713 on Nov 13, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I also have a Mini DVI port. This is a port that would work wouldn’t it? Sorry, I’m an idiot when it comes to this.
by PelvicThrust on Nov 13, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
MiniDVI should work
You’ll need a MiniDVI to DVI converter (or MiniDVI to HDMI if your tv doesn’t have a DVI input). You’ll also need to run a 3.5mm audio cable from your Mac to your tv. Check http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041912
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It’s a really simple solution.
by The Hamburger Pimp on Nov 13, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is blowing up say the fight did 4.6 million viewer not a great number certainly not a big win
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Nov 13, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
For all those people with comments concerning the 4.6 million viewers, how much money or time did they lose because the number wasn’t bigger?
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by VeeisAnimated on Nov 13, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think only CBS did better than Fox last night
Based on some numbers I saw earlier, though that may have just been in a particular state.
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I'll have my analysis on the number later.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
not a super strong number
If the fight had gone to the championship rounds 6.5 mill to high 7 could of been possible. Atlas will never know
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Nov 13, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One guy on the ratings website says he’s hearing rumors that UFC had a high peak come fight time. Take that with more than a grain of salt.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I feel it was part of the 35 minute delay
That way it gave people 30 minutes to flip channels and see it or hear about it from a friend and put it on in time.
TVbythenumbers
All the broadcast networks had at least one hour of programming that aired live coast-to-coast last night, so the fast national ratings are much more prone to adjustment than usual. The fast national ratings are set up to measure the primetime time periods. When there is live primetime programming that is broadcast coast-to-coast the eastern and central time zones get measured properly, but the mountain and pacific time zones do not. That’s about 20% of the country (population wise) that doesn’t get measured correctly. So basically, live events get under-counted in the fast national ratings and are adjusted (up) in the finals.
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by MattParker117 on Nov 13, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
So much so that at this point I'm sure they'll complain about anything.
pretty much.
I wondering how many fans will complain about JDS having the audacity to discuss his injury before the fight? It’s an excuse.
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by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
The mat was too gray. The lights were too bright. I didn’t like Cain’s shorts.
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by mburtoni on Nov 13, 2011 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
JDS's punches
were too fast. They need to add that streak technology they were using for hockey pucks…
There was no Urijah Faber. Dana White’s head is to bald.
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by TheLastEmpress on Nov 13, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think one thing they should have done was a bit of a recap of earlier action. Take 5 minutes of highlights to show the new viewers what they missed or what they could see in the future. Hype up the other divisions and keep viewers entertained in the lull in the action.
by DonkeyOatey on Nov 13, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That’s actually a fantastic idea that pleases everyone, hopefully.
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by T.C. Engel on Nov 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
On the Fox ratings, we need to keep in mind that the west coast isn’t taken into consideration for the number yet because of how Nielson’s ratings work. Considering the large MMA fanbase over there, and Cain tapping into the latino population, chances are UFC hits around 6 mil. The peak number will be something to see as well.
Also, UFC did college football numbers, getting a 2.4 in the 18-49 male demographic.
I think a UFC on Fox card that has 2/3 fights will fair better. Shit’s also going to pick up when they get on FX and the new TUF begins. Brace for lots of overreaction from the media, the sky is falling! We’ll NEVER BE MAINSTREAM!!!
Let’s talk in 6 months to a year and see how things have played out.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions
Dana White is a moron for all the crap post-fight
Dude needs to never, ever be on TV like that again. He looked scared and off the whole night and then looked like a moron when Brock had to put him in his place. Get him off of TV. Period.
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Dana was kind of a bitch about the whole thing.
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by TheLastEmpress on Nov 13, 2011 12:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'll never crucify the guy for wearing his emotions on his sleeves...
I just think it was misplaced. Hold that in until after the show wraps up.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he handled that very poorly.
I expect he will learn from it and the second show should be better.
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That's what I said last night in the analysis
I think he’ll look back and say “FUCKING SHIT I SHOULDN’T HAVE DONE THAT” but he got caught up in the moment.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Dana, or Velasquez?
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by TheLastEmpress on Nov 13, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
A Matt Roth article I liked?
I guess there’s a first for everything. But seriously I couldn’t agree more, especially with your additional thought.
by DCJon. on Nov 13, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think Brock was kind of a winner too
Maybe it was just my low expectations of him being an analyst but I thought he came off pretty good. Funny and likeable but with a little bit of that edge. He only screwed one word up when he said “retain my title” instead of “regain my title”. All in all I’d put him as a winner on my list.
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Yup
I was expecting Brock to come off poorly and Dana to come off well and it was reversed.
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I thought it was kind of awkward with him there. I’d prefer to see Randy doing analysis. Hopefully he gets a gig doing the post-fight shows.
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by mburtoni on Nov 13, 2011 12:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know hardcores complained of watching 35 minutes of chatting and "analysis" but this isn't a PPV. This is a show.
When you pay for a UFC PPV, you are buying the fights. But Fox is clearly approaching this as a show to watch. It’s free, it’s got great production, there’s analysis, there’s the music, then you will get the fight with some more analysis afterwards. It’s just going to get better and better. And c’mon. I dare any fan to say they didn’t feel the blood going when the show started with the Fox Sports music. It was freaking exciting.
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Hardcores can eat a dick for all I care. I LOVED the story telling (JDS’s segment in particular) and the analysis with Lesnar. Dana White seemed a little too hype, and I don’t know if I would put him in again. It had a “big event” feel to it, and the main event delivered. If we would have got to see the two fights before it, it would have been absolutely amazing.
I’m very excited to see UFC on Fox 2.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Said it last night, UFC on FOX 2 should be Silva vs. Sonnen II
GSP vs. Diaz can sell well on PPV by itself. Sonnen panders directly to the FOXheads and Silva is Anderson freaking SIlva. It cannot fail.
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I dig it, but isn’t UFC on Fox 2 supposed to be in January? Of course, there are conflicting rumors, some are saying Fox, others are saying FX.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wait…am I thinking Brazil? I don’t know. Shit, I need coffee.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, I was right. Still need coffee though.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
That would be cool as fuck.
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I disagree
If it goes like the first, casuals will tune out. The first was fascinating because of the background and story
I liked the storytelling too.
Hardcores are gonna have to understand this is all a process to get new fans in. I know they feel like this is their little indie rock band that they want to keep all to themselves, but he reality is, the sport has to grow. And the best way to get these new fans, is to blend MMA into the regular Fox sports programming, to make it the event we all say last night. It’s a fucking sports show. I love it.
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Listening to Dana post-fight, I was immediately reminded of his commentary during the first Rampage vs Liddell fight. I was just waiting for him to start wailing about leg kicks and the game plan.
by Astoni on Nov 13, 2011 12:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The more I think about it
I think Dana was legitimately pissed that Guida/Henderson didn’t get on TV, hence he shat all over Cain and JDS for having such a short fight. He probably wanted a 3-5 rounder to east off on FOX’s decision of not putting Clay/Ben on TV.
Seriously he was pissed when Brock lost to Cain. I don’t think he suddenly likes Cain now because of the Latino market.
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That’s a legit possibility. Especially if it turns out that UFC was pushing hard to get it on TV and Fox refused despite their insistence.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I heard it was FOX’s decision but Dana really liked the idea of one fight. Dana said it was like a throwback to the good ole days of one heavyweight championship fight.
by Fedornuthugger on Nov 13, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say “some” of you. I doubt most of us on this site stream illegally but I do know a couple people who do. I’d rather pay for better quality myself.
by PelvicThrust on Nov 13, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
It just seems like people bitched because the fights weren't on Spike
Like normal PPV, you watch on Facebook, then Spike, then either illegal stream or pay for the PPV. So the bitching was about no Spike broadcast?
by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Most bitching I saw were just people who thought Guida/Bendo would have been perfect for the Fox broadcast and were disappointed that new eyeballs wouldn’t have got to see a fight like THAT for the popping of their MMA cherry.
Or maybe that’s just me. lol
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Nov 13, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea - I was fucking stoked about last night. People complaining were silly-heads.
But I don’t think you can claim most people stream. That’s an emotional statement. Pretty soon you’ll claim Brookhouse has no gas tank and wonder why Leland didn’t shoot for a TD.
I have no idea if that analogy works. Perhaps Leland wants to be JDS?
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This night was less than ideal for the first UFC on Fox
but not a disaster by any stretch.
I think the best thing that comes out of this is a good lesson for the suits at Fox, who by all accounts are the ones who pushed for only one fight on this broadcast. The UFC knows what they are doing and MMA is crazy, plan on having 2-3 fights in an hour, one of them is more than likely going to be a barn burner.
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Given how a typical Spike card goes
They could easily fit 3 fights into a 90 minute show with a pre-fight show before the actual event.
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Agree
All but the first fight were winners. And even the first fight was kind of fun with Matt Lucas losing his mouthpiece constantly. Big John not happy.
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I don't know why people keep whining about the facebook stream
I always watch it, and for a feed streamed through freakin facebook, the quality is fantastic. And considering the fact that everyone except people in the US got the Bendo vs Henderson fight on the main show, it wasn’t a total loss.
Bendo vs Guida was amazing, but I knew that, as Bendo doesn’t know how to not have awesome fights.
Bruce Leeroy impressed my pants off though. Didn’t even look like the same fighter. He’s improved considerably.
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by Peter Nathaniel Fury on Nov 13, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions
*bendo vs guida
dammit _
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by Peter Nathaniel Fury on Nov 13, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
"What can you possibly complain about when it comes to the fights?"
What a MMA fan can complain about is that the main goal of the event was to get more NEW fans. So, they don’t give a crap what I or any other normal MMA fan thinks. Just casually reading blogs and every facebook/twitter comment about the event from people I know aren’t MMA fans…it was not a success. Was it a complete failure – no, but they could’ve made it so much better for what was there to change minds.
I’d compare it to having Lebron and Kobe in a game and they only show the 4th qtr when the game is out of reach for one of the teams.
I respectfully disagree that FOX and the UFC won. If I wasn’t already a fan, I’d look at the fight and say I’m not wasting my money on a fight that can only last 1 minute.
But if they showed the Henderson-Guida fight then I think people would be more impressed by the action. In all honesty Cain and JDS aren’t “stars”. Brock is the most known guy they have because of the WWE so putting him on the Free Show might of been best if you’re going for 1 fight
I think a boxing fan with an open mind would have watched the fight and said “yeah, a bit of a let down but that happens in boxing, too. At least I didn’t subscribe to Showtime or pay over the odds for a PPV.”
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Laptop + Highspeed connection + USB cable =
equals I watched four hours of good to great fights on my lovely flat screen TV. Sure it wasn’t in HD, but the Fox stream was very good. Very few glitches, a commercial at the beginning and the rest was was just fun, relentless MMA… for free.
I’m not going to complain at all. It was a very good card that I watched through a computer. That’s the future, I think. I mean, even my “real” TV filters the programming through a computer (my DVR) so I am not sure if a legit claim can be made that watching on a laptop is somehow inferior to TV.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Mohandas Gandhi
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
Muhammad Ali
"If MMA is like dog fighting, those are some pretty fucking smart dogs."
"I don’t want to lick any butt."
GSP
The UFC gave away a title fight on free television and the complaints were that they had to watch the rest of the card on their laptops? Most of you illegally stream fights anyways.
True and connecting it to a 52inch tv makes it even better.
Although the production FOX put on for the UFC event was top-notch, I still do believe they dropped the ball by not airing some(if not all) of the undercard. My roommate who is not really an avid fan of the sport (although I did get him to see the Jones-Rampage fight) told me that is was too short.
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Nov 13, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions
This is going to work out just fine. They did one show, a huge amount of people watched, the presentation was great, and it would have been nice if they got a longer fight. As the Fox-UFC partnership goes on they will get better at working together.
And hearing the Fox Sports theme song over images of the Octagon and a huge screaming MMA crowd was jarring and great.
Seems to me that
Alex Caceras was a big winner too!
I saw a lot of Ben Henderson fights in my time
I am quite sure by now that you can not choke this SOB.
He is, what appears to be, unchokeable.
Guys, future opponents, media, fans and parents: do not try to choke out Ben Henderson for it can not be done.
Most of you illegally stream fights anyways
Any proof or stats to back up this atrocious accusation levelled at your readership?
The UFC took great strides to make MMA more professional this weekend. Maybe its about time MMA’s ‘journalists’ did the same…
You mean besides comment sections and twitter where people are begging for streams?
Or the fact that people post them in live posts alll the time? Nah, I don’t have anything backing that claim up.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Given how often we’re told that the comment section makes up a tiny percentage of readership, even if every single one of us illegally streamed that wouldn’t take you to “most”
K-1 Level Predictions
by FightingFighting on Nov 13, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
So the (very) small subsection of posters that ask for streams (which in turn is a smaller subsection of your readership) led you to ‘most’? Math wasn’t your strongest subject at school was it?
Do you believe that 200k buys on UFC 136 means that only 200k watch the fights?
Don’t be naive.
by Matthew Roth on Nov 13, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
The last paid event I remember seeing a single person asking for a stream and a fair number of us telling them not to ask. As for people posting them all the time, where? I sit in the live threads and can’t remember one at all recently unless the mod just happened to able to find and delete it in the few seconds it takes for me to hit z.
Basically, you are talking out of your ass. I see you changing your goal line in other responses, but it’s far simpler to just admit to doing what you did most times.
by Empty Thoughts on Nov 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
It was a ridiculous comment
Real BElitists only rec ironically.
by Charles Awad on Nov 14, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Dude It is common sense
Dana and the UFC wouldn’t have made such an effort to shut down all the sites streaming the fights if it wasn’t a large portion of the fights. If you go on Justin TV during a UFC night (I admit I use it to watch TML hockey games when I am studying and aren’t near a TV) but the first like 5 broadcasts are all UFC and they all have like 10000 viewers on them.
I'm not complaining on my behalf
What do I care if I have to watch the fights on my laptop? But I want the sport to gain new fans, and I’m disappointed that the UFC and FOX missed a big chance to win them over by leaving a great fight like Bendo-Guida off the broadcast.
absolutely loved uyenoyama's performance
was the first i’d seen of him. complete technician on the ground, but not afraid to mix it up on the feet. excited to see where he goes from here.
Dana white was a total ass on fox,that was some bullshit tv if you ask me,success???
more like an epic failure,no one to blame but Dana 1 fight?no backup fights?? did you see how defensive he was all night-like a child who had his candy taken away-boo hoo Dana
UFC on Fox lost with fight fans because of all the petty complaints. More importantly there was a war of a fight on the Paq/Marquez prelims going on during and directly after the 1 minute fight. At sports bars like the ones I saw they had both shows on and immediate comparisons.
Also, the packed sports bar was not showing the Facebook stream so we missed out on that.
Zuffa gambled poorly. Show the damn prelims as filler instead of angry Dana.
" too bad the only people who saw it were fans who tuned into Facebook."
and the fans who tuned in on foxsports.com, and fans who watched the Fox Deportes broadcast, and the fans who watched virtually any of the international broadcasts.
“What can you possibly complain about when it comes to the fights?”
MMA fans are the most complacent beings on the planet. I had 0 complains about last nights fights. I wanted Guida-Henderson to air live…but that’s not a valid complaint for last night…we all knew going in that it wasn’t going to air…I had come to peace with that weeks ago.
"You got Floyd Mayweather making 25 million dollars...he can't stop the double leg." - Nick Diaz
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