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UFC on Fox: Saying Goodbye to Gladiator Man With an Examination of Gladiatorial History

This is a guest piece written by Tom Grant.

The UFC's historic deal with Fox Sports has cause those at Zuffa to begin reevaluated some of their production effects. One production mainstay that is getting the axe is the Gladiator Man Intro.

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The video depicted a man dressing himself in a rather generic Roman Gladiator costume, preparing to enter the arena. Introduced by Zuffa in the early 2000s, the video was a clear play on the popularity of the Riddley Scott film Gladiator. The actor in the video even rubs his hands in dirt before entering the arena, similar to Russell Crowe's character in the film. Many are glad to see this intro go, seeing it as an unwelcome reminder of the sports checkered past. Critics often decried the early UFC as being akin to Gladiator combat. As a farewell to Gladiator man, this article will take an honest look at the games of Ancient Rome, and how the compare to modern sport.

First and foremost, who where these men (and sometimes women) that fought and died for entertainment?

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(Ancient fan depiction of Gladiatorial combat)

The answer is simple: slaves. The gladiatorial games started out as a funeral rite, where the deceased slaves would fight the death in honor of their owner's passing. They were wildly popular and over time bean to be held as events in their own right and the gladiatorial games were born. The games would become so popular the Flavian Amphitheatre, now known as the Coliseum, was built to give the city of Roman the grandest stage on earth to hold the games.

Slaves continued to constitute the vast majority of gladiators until the games were banned in the later Empire. So this is the first key difference between the games and modern combat sports, today all participates are willing contestants. While there definite benefits to becoming a successful gladiator and some freemen that would sign up, the majority of gladiators would have preferred to never set into the arena. That said, victory brought with it riches, fame and, sometimes, freedom but the stakes were very high.

Games would be held by at the expense of noblemen promoters, who would often use the games as tools in political campaigns. So as a result the games would often be free of charge, so there is a difference most modern fans wish was still true today. Gladiatorial games would be all day events, starting in the mornings with the beast hunts.

Romans had a great fascination for exotic animals, but instead of seeing them in zoos they liked to see those animals in action. Arenas would be filled with gazelle from Africa or bears from Northern Europe or any other creature from the vast Empire and then trained hunters would kill them for the crowd's amusement.

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(A hunt at the games)

At noon the public executions would take place. In some cases the roles of the morning would be reversed and the beasts who spent all morning being hunted would get to hunt the prisoners. For more lively entertainment the condemned would be lightly armored and given a simple spear and faced with a lion, tiger or some other fierce beast. With no training and little armor, the prisoners stood little chance against a fully-grown tiger or lion, and if by some miracle they did survive another animal would be released to finish the job.

After the executions it was time for the main event, the Gladiator fights. Unlike combat sports today, there were no weight classes that separated fighters, in fact it was quite the opposite. Gladiators were grouped by size of the fighter and the equipment he used, it was meant to create interesting stylistic match ups.

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(Murmillo Gladiator)

The Murmillo was the heavyweight of gladiators; he wore heavy armor with padding underneath to absorb the shock of blows. They would wear a large, decorative helmet that limited their vision but gave them excellent protection. They carried a large, heavy rectangular shield and wielded the Roman stabling sword the gladius. They were picked for their imposing physical and size, imagine Todd Duffee in armor. Rather than match them with gladiators of similar size, the Romans wanted to see how the raw power and size of the Murmillo would do against the speed and agility of a smaller fighter.

Enter the Retiarius, one of the all time favorite Gladiators of Rome. If the Murmillo was the heavyweight, the Retiarius was a featherweight. Armed with a weighted net and trident, the ‘netfighter' was only armored on his lead arm and wore no helmet. A Ratiarius paired against a Murmillo would use his agility to stay out of reach, and try to danced around and make the larger man tire. He would throw the further slow the Murmillo and use the superior reach of his trident to keep the distance. The Murmillo would use his superior protect to close the distance and get the smaller man within reach of his sword.

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(Retiarius Gladiator)

This type of match up made the Romans salivate; the strategies and techniques involved would be watched and analyzed with all the reverence of modern NFL plays. For special occasions the Romans would dress gladiators as conquered peoples of Roman and reenact old battles or create match ups of different peoples. Who hasn't asked at some point in the life who would win between a Gual and Numdian? Or a Thracian and Samnite? At the Coliseum you could answer those questions.

When defeated and unable to continue, in place of tapping out, a gladiator would extend the index finger of his non-weapon hand straight up. (This signal continues to this day in modern sport fencing, as an acknowledgment of a point against.) At this point the fight would stop and the victor would look to the patron of games, or the Emperor if he was present, for a decision on the loser.

Contrary to Hollywood, the signal for death was an upward thrust of thumb, normally directed at the throat to signal the coup de gras. A thumb down would mean put your sword away and the loser would live. Also contrary to popular belief it was uncommon for a gladiator who survived to the end of the fight to be killed at this point. The training and promoting of slaves was just too much of an investment to throw them away in such a fashion.

The Roman noblemen understood the basics of promotion and it made no sense to kill off popular or profitable fighters. Imagine if Muhammad Ali had been put to death after his first loss to Joe Frazier or if Randy Couture had been allowed to kill Chuck Liddell after his win. Fight fans would have denied classic fighters and promoters would have lost big money.

To that same end, gladiators receiver excellent medical care. Roman's grasp of medical practices would be the best the western world would see until the modern day and gladiator owners would pay top dollar to keep their best alive. The results are seen in the remains of gladiators; anthropologists find evidence of multiple non-fatal wounds that were healed in a way to keep gladiators from being crippled. This is much like today with sports leagues providing the modern athlete with top-notch health care and health insurance.

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("Pollice Verso" or "Turned Thumb" by Jean-Léon Gérôme)

With that said, the death at the games would have been substantial, and many question why the Roman's reveled in it so much. The answer is simple; the Romans were a militaristic society. For much of the Roman Republic, military service was required of male citizens from their late teens to mid-thirties. Fighting and death was part of being a man in Rome and the gladiatorial games provided a way of teaching young Roman boys what was expected of them in battle. Much like Pop Warner Quarterbacks looking to Tom Brady or Michael Vick as examples of how to play football.

The gladiators had a connection with the military in Rome, much like modern MMA fighters sharing connections with the U.S. military.

The Roman Legion, was the premier army of its day. Composed primary of heavy infantry the Roman Legionary was primarily a sword fighter. Legion started out as a simple levy, but by the late Republic it became an army of professional soldiers.

Roman swordsmanship was based around the short sword the gladius, which was paired with armor and a large rectangular shield. The Romans would come forward tucked in behind their shields and would stab enemies with short, professional thrusts. It was close combat at its most brutal and to survive Legionaries had to be masters of covering themselves while they attack and creating openings for their attacks.


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While the Romans fought in formation and as an organized army, each Legionary was spaced a few feet apart and was individually responsible for the enemies directly in front of them. Imagine a cone in front of each solider, while they would overlap a bit, there was a patch of land that was the sole responsibility of a single legionary.

To help instruct new recruits in strategies to deal with enemies with various skills and equipment, the Legion would bring in gladiators, who were experts in individual combat. In fact the name "Gladiator" was a tribute to their expertise with the gladius, the sword of the Legionary.

In the 1990s the United States Army brought in the Gracie family, fresh off their victories in the newly birthed UFC to instruct soldiers in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, establishing an exchange of knowledge with both the Gracie family and the UFC that continues to this day for the U.S. Armed Forces.

While similarities exist between the games of Rome and modern sports, especially combat sports, the comparisons are really only skin deep. Despite all the healthcare and lower than assumed mortality, the fact of the matter is that death was huge part of gladiatorial games. Men and women were sent in to fight with spears, swords and many other weapons until one was too wounded to continue, the goal was never one of sporting accomplishment. There were no championship belts, no title defenses and no contenders, rather it was purely for entertainment.

Anyone who realistically tries to compare the Gladiators of Rome to modern fighters is simply being asinine. Two consenting adults entering into a regulated and sanctioned sporting event with a referee cannot be realistically compared to the combat that took place on the sands on the Coliseum. Concerns over concussions and an extra shot after the bell seem like minor things when put next to spilled intestines and severed limbs.

That is not to demean the problems faced by modern athletes, but rather to highlight the level of violence that took place in Rome. The comparison is just one that is apt to make as either a way to promote the sport or try to tear it down, to do so is an affront the memory of all those who actually died for other's entertainment.

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Dude was fine and then he wasn't. Talk about shit luck.

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I guess that type of cancer can have a powerful resurgence

He was concentrating on his recovery, in remission and boom, statement from his wife. Sad stuff.

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Nov 11, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Kirk Douglas or Michael Douglas or are you talking about something random?

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by DirtyML on Nov 11, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy Whitfield, I think was his name.

From the Starz TV show.

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I enjoyed this.

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by KatGirl on Nov 11, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

excellent!

makes my day

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by T.P. Grant on Nov 12, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

As for Gladiator Man...

do we even know his identity?

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Now I want to know who THAT guys is!

His unspoken name shall forever live in infamy, repalced solely as The Just Bleed Guy.

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t remember, but he was in jail. He might have gotten out finally though.

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by Leland Roling on Nov 11, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

WHAT?

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Release pending til 2012 IIRC

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa...what did he do...

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Stolen farm equipment? Or something like that..

It’s been a while since I read the article, you’ll have to hunt it down.

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he pulled a Harold Howard

"Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

by menckenstein on Nov 11, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? Stolen farm equipment? Should we be surprised?

by Fedornuthugger on Nov 11, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah you can google it

It’s on a few forums about him being currently imprisoned

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

NICE JOB, DOUCHETARD!

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by Sugel Mendoza on Nov 11, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He looks like my Uncle Steve....

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by Shotokanman on Nov 11, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Every time that gif is posted there is a comment about how they notice a dude smoking for the first time.

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by Kefka on Nov 11, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You're now officially a BElitist

Welcome to the club buddy! We’ve had our eyes on you for a while

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet!

What do I get?

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by Shotokanman on Nov 12, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s also Brent Brookhouse in this gif, IIRC.

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by Firm1 on Nov 11, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah dude,

that’s the Just Weed Guy

by Bobby Flay on Nov 12, 2011 4:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if he knows he’s in this gif.

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by DirtyML on Nov 11, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Can he watch gifs in the slammer?

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and his name is James Ladner...

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna say..

This deserves a “where are they now” edition.

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by Charles Awad on Nov 11, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article. Very informative while staying relevant.

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

I'm gonna miss it.

I have an absolutely Pavlovian response to that shit.

I get goosebumps every, single, time that comes on.

The music, the Black and White promo with the main eventers, all of it.

I’m sure the FOX redux will be quite epic in its own right, but I will miss you GladiatorMan.

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by Shotokanman on Nov 11, 2011 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

I mean, it's cheesy,

but it’s nowhere near as bad as “Face the Pain” or the TUF theme song.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

FtP just makes me lol

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

FtP makes my wife run from the room

“That music is AWEFUL!”

“Sorry babe, fights are on”

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by hardlyworking on Nov 11, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

IN

TO
PIE
CES
!!!!!!!

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

thank God.

penis head kick me...

by Earl Montclair on Nov 11, 2011 3:20 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Yep

But I’m sure we still have to wait til the new year before it will be completely gone

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

My favorite random fact about Gladiator combat is about what Emperor Claudius did:

“Claudius, characterised by his historians as morbidly cruel and boorish, fought a whale trapped in the harbor in front of a group of spectators. Commentators invariably disapproved of such performances.”

And something from Livy in regards to the coliseum shows:

“A man who knows how to conquer in war is a man who knows how to arrange a banquet and put on a show.”

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by DirtyML on Nov 11, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

shout out to FightingHistorian

who gave me the idea for the article

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by T.P. Grant on Nov 11, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Great work TP

I did notice a fair amount of grammatical errors. If you got a copy you want proofread so you can edit, email me. My girl just put on Harry Potter…I got some time on my hands…

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

this article is amazing, but i noticed a few typos too. Mostly missing words.

by Clifford J on Nov 11, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

few is actually being generous.

again, good content…but c’mon, you guys.

by dr. ransom on Nov 11, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks man

and yeah not my best effort in terms of the once over. Work has been eating up my life and what writing I do get to do is done faster than I’d normally prefer

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by T.P. Grant on Nov 11, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

No problem, homie

If you ever want a once-over. I’ve got nothin but time right now and my email’s in my profile. Just hit me up and I’ll take a look.

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by Chris Hall on Nov 12, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

And don't let the grammar nazi's bug you, I only said something because I was ready to help out

You’re concept was great, organization was awesome, just a few details slipped through. Like I said, hit me up whenever if you want a proofread.

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by Chris Hall on Nov 12, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks man

You did a really fantastic job with this.

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by Patrick Wyman on Nov 11, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Fun fact

Many Gladiator’s were not cut like the common movie depictions. They would intentionally build up a layer of fat from a very high carb, low protein diet. This fat would protect their tendons and muscles against glancing slashes. They probably looked more like Roy Nelson than Chieck Kongo.

Opulence, I has it.

by Psychic Octopus on Nov 11, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

Dana said the Galdiator was going away starting in Jan.

So…they gonna actually do the cheezy intro tomorrow?

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by xFenixKnightx on Nov 11, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Highly doubt it

I imagine we’ll get a Fox production intro tomorrow, but finish out the PPV year with Gladiator

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I was about to ask the same thing. He said that we wouldn’t be seeing a new “UFC” intro so to speak on this Fox broadcast, I’m hoping they don’t go with Gladiator guy and just piece something together for the sake of this?

Gladiator guy will be one thing I always remember, because it was one of the first things I saw when getting into MMA, but it really has looked dated for a long, long time.

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by NE188 on Nov 11, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Grammar Gladiator

This is a very cool and informative article. But damn, it needs some editing!

by saint242 on Nov 11, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

And in it's absence

The gladiator man is replaced by Frank Dux

by andrew i on Nov 11, 2011 4:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Great comparison (just finished Book 4)

Martin did an awesome job with that fight scene, tho I never imagined Oberyn quite as small as depicted here.

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Just finished book 3 myself

I need to hit up the book store to get Feast for Crows… I somehow bought Dance with Dragons thinking that it was the 4’th book.

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

4 and 5 take place under the same timeline

He just splits the characters, so I’m not sure it matters. However, he did do the 5th later, so there might be references to 4 that you wouldn’t understand if you read them in reverse.

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Just picked it up from my buddy, so no worries!

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

nice!

Honestly, not my fav of the books, but the end is badass

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he always seems to end each book with a BANG

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It isn't that he's small.

It’s that Cregor Clegane is FUCKING HUGE in proportion to him.

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Gregor

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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Elia! You raped her! You murdered her! You killed her children! Now say her name!

by Sqwibbs on Nov 11, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride

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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Chills. And now I want to re-read. Again.

by jebmak on Nov 11, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

martin was actually to writ the books inspired by the Romans

he visited hardian’s wall and pictured it made of ice and the rest is history….

and thank you for no spoilers, just getting into Clash of Kings myself

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by T.P. Grant on Nov 12, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been thinking about writing some sort of Vocab/Etymology chop covering zuffa/galdiator/bellator, it’d be the dumbest smart article out there, but I wasn’t sure if anyone would care.

by Balrog on Nov 11, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Go for it

Worst comes to worst, we’ll just fill the thread with rec’d comments and kitten gifs.

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by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I took a minor in linguistics

I love language, so I say go for it!

BTW, I absolutely detest English for its spelling. Actually I wouldn’t care, but fuckall people give me endless shit about misspellings. IMO its not MY fault, I got way more important shit in my head than the proper spelling of “Faucet”, I mean, really? WTF.

Sorry, pardon my digression…

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by hardlyworking on Nov 11, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

While I enjoyed this article (and anything on Gladiators for that matter), there’s a lot of information missing. Like that the Retiarius Gladiator wasn’t just for “featherweight” guys. Men, big or small, that weren’t as skilled with swords were typically given the net. The smaller men that were good with swords were typically given two swords.

Oh, and not all Gladiators were slaves. Some were rich Roman males that I suppose were bored and wanted to test their mettle against slaves… and they usually won since those fights were typically rigged for the rich to always win.

by Keren on Nov 11, 2011 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

While I enjoyed this article (and anything on Gladiators for that matter), there’s a lot of information missing. Like that the Retiarius Gladiator wasn’t just for "featherweight" guys.

yep, size of the fighter was not always what determined their kit, I made the comparison based mostly on the amount of armor they wore and the speed and agility that was required and make it relatable to MMA.

Oh, and not all Gladiators were slaves. Some were rich Roman males

This is also right, but it was very rare. A citizen of Rome defeating slaves was not seen as any great accomplishment, Roman men seeking true martial glory would join the military and get a command.

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by T.P. Grant on Nov 12, 2011 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

oh and Thank You!

it is always awesome to have another History buff on BE!

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Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton

by T.P. Grant on Nov 12, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

@UFC_Gladiator

I made that Twitter account right when the announcement was made. Man, I have had some fun with that. I haven’t really dusted him off in months, tomorrow night tho…I’ll have to make sure I break him out.

by Clownshoes on Nov 11, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

I might have to follow you just for that

I'm not as drunk as pdl

Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher

by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a good time

I try to be “in character” and people actually really get into it. It’s way more fun than regular Twitter.

by Clownshoes on Nov 11, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I really just follow some of the BE guys and and some more MMA stuff

But this could be a nice lil addition

I'm not as drunk as pdl

Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher

by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of liked gladiator man

Then again I also like the whole UFC intro format

by Cunny on Nov 11, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Brilliant article

Loved it. Had no idea there were different classes of gladiator, absolutely fascinating

"Anyone who enjoys watching sport on television is an imbecile; a dangle-mouthed, cud-chewing, salivating ding-dong with a brain full of dim piss, blobbing out in front of a box watching a grunting thicko knock a ball round a field while their own sad carcass gently coagulates into a wobbling mass of beer and fat and thick white heart-attack gravy" - Charlie Brooker

by Mattyjudo on Nov 11, 2011 4:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

oh yes

the Romans loved playing matchmaker and setting up interesting match ups.

aka BuckeyedBear34

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton

by T.P. Grant on Nov 12, 2011 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

and I now wait for Elliot

to make a Fiddler on the Roof joke

aka BuckeyedBear34

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton

by T.P. Grant on Nov 12, 2011 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Now we just need the historical relevance of The Pits

I'm not as drunk as pdl

Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher

by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Saved

Because I can never find this gif when I want it

I'm not as drunk as pdl

Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher

by Chris Hall on Nov 11, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

what movie is this

wasnt the romans and greeks also known ( what kat wiliamns said about micheal jackson)smelling like little boys booty hole..hope i dont get banned..sorry

everybody wants to be a hero..but don't nobody wanna die

by 3cheerios on Nov 12, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure what this means

If your literally referring to the smell of them, both the Greeks and Romans put high value on being clean, and bathed daily.

If your talking about sexuality, the Ancient world had a much different view of sexuality than modern day. Words like “heterosexual” and “homosexual” would mean nothing to them. Sex was not a particularly sentimental thing, so they didn’t bind themselves into categories, because it was just sex and who cared?

The only real issue was being the “passive” one if you were a man, that was considered shameful and made you less of a man.

aka BuckeyedBear34

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte

To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton

by T.P. Grant on Nov 12, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

  • for

everybody wants to be a hero..but don't nobody wanna die

by 3cheerios on Nov 12, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

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