Meltzer: UFC 136 Did 225,000 Buys, UFC 137 Did 280,000
by Tim Burke on Nov 11, 2011 10:00 AM EST
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Yahoo and Wrestling Observer writer Dave Meltzer is usually the best source for PPV numbers, and he dropped a little tidbit of info regarding the last two events into the Wrestling Observer this week. The UFC 136 buyrate was originally estimated to be a little higher, and the UFC 137 estimated buyrate has to be seen as a terrible number no matter what. Here's what Dave had to say (subscription required to view the WO):
The latest PPV estimates we’ve gotten from cable sources are about 225,000 buys for UFC 136 (Maynard vs. Edgar III) and 280,000 for UFC 137 (Diaz vs. Penn). I should also mention that sources close to UFC claim the 136 number is considerably higher and 137 is identical to our estimates, and that both numbers are likely to end up in the same ballpark.
Interesting that Zuffa is still saying UFC 136 did better than the estimates figure, yet they're cool with the UFC 137 number. Overall though, these are troubling statistics. While the UFC 137 number can be directly attributed to Georges St. Pierre not being on the card, and Diaz/GSP in February will likely do a huge amount of PPV buys, this proves that B.J. Penn's drawing power is all but gone (as is his career at this point) and that the initial response to Nick Diaz was tepid at best. As for the UFC 136 number - I think they've learned that their titles alone aren't as valuable as they think they are. Who is wearing them is all that matters.
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I think (and hope) Frankie is going to become a solid draw. Now that he’s the undisputed #1 LW in the world, I hope they start to push him more.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Nov 11, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions
They need to help him come out of his damn shell
He’s like Matt Serra on Ambien.
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by menckenstein on Nov 11, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What what?
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by menckenstein on Nov 11, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
What what what?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
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by merryprankster on Nov 11, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just somehow never seeing him becoming a solid draw. He is great and has an incredible heart but there is something about him that makes me think “meh”. I don’t know what it is. It may be that I think Henderson, Cerrone, Pettis, and Melendez could beat him.
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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Nov 11, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Same. He’s still the champion I’m least excited for, together with Cruz. I just don’t particularly like his fighting style, his look and personality is very bland, and I think there’s a bunch of guys in the LW division who will beat him when they get the chance.
by Horselover Fat on Nov 11, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I have higher hopes for Melendez
He seems like a potential star to me, though I couldn’t tell you why. He’s also Mexican, which can’t hurt.
Just what we need
Another American born fighter that the UFC can trump as a Mexican hero
by MemphisMike on Nov 11, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
His fans will be Mexican-American too. You can be American born and be proud of your Mexican heritage, you know.
by crazybones on Nov 11, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's all well and good
as long as this doesn’t turn into the Cain thing all over again. I’m Italian American and that doesn’t draw me in as an Edgar fan. The fact that we’re both from NJ on the other hand does. To each his own.
by MemphisMike on Nov 11, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but your italian culture does not get trampled over day in and day out.
There is a certain romanticism to the idea of resisting and fighting the good fight. Painting Cain as an honest to god Mexican, a sector of the population that is still struggling, sort of fits into that niche.
If Italian immigrants were still being treated like dirt then you’d have the exact same phenomenon but with Italians (no mass media communications back then).
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude,
he has to be compared to those jersey shore dbags for the rest of his life. I think MemphisMike has a point.
by PelvicThrust on Nov 11, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Well, then...
FRANKIE EDGAR, FIRST EVER ITALIAN LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION!
Now, someone teach the dude some italian.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Edgar is an italian last name?
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by Papercut Elbow on Nov 11, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
You mean when they said he’d be the first Mexican HW champion? It’s not the worst lie they’ve ever told. I thought it was kinda funny.
Side note – I’m from NJ too and I can never understand the love some people have for it. A lot of it is quiet and nice but it feels very “meh” to me. And the other parts just suck.
Dude, I'll take your quiet and nice every day of the week.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
It's not so much that I love NJ
but it’s nice to see someone do well from where you’re from. I like it here because I can get to NY easily…the fact that I have to share this place with the Jersey Shore types though is pretty fucking shitty.
by MemphisMike on Nov 11, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I can't even imagine.
I’m sure they are not running wild as MTV likes to portray but I’m sure its still there in parts which is bad enough.
by PelvicThrust on Nov 11, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I want to tell you it's not that bad
I really really do…but honestly people from my area are pretty much just like that. Mind you I’ve never actually seen the show, living it is bad enough, but I think from commercials I get the general vibe.
by MemphisMike on Nov 11, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
What about Pineys?
Tell us about those.
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by menckenstein on Nov 11, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I always thought Jersey Shore
was how Always Sunny portrayed it. You just can’t deal with it without Rum Ham.
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by Chris Barton on Nov 11, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been a fan of his for a while now especially with his fighting style. I’m Filipino, and it also helps in being a fan of his that Melendez married a hot Filipina. Good to know that he has great taste in women.
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by chrisbboy82 on Nov 11, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
But Nick no-showed the presser, that was so much better than him showing up and promoting his fight.
Now Nick is a proven draw right?
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Why, you think Zuffa is bluffing?
I only think this proves they’re being honest.
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Calling BJ’s career “gone” because he got worked over by Diaz is overwrought. Would you say the same of Paul Daley, who is effectively blacklisted from Zuffa?
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That's possible
But I think it’s clear to everyone around these parts that that’s a load.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 11, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
he could be done there’s not a lot of fights that he would get up for and be motivated to do even at lightweight he trained with Ben Henderson for the Kenny Florian/diego fight he coached Gray Maynard and Joe Lauzon on TUF.
He's not
I’d bet the house on that.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 11, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
BJ just needs to sit on the sidelines for a year or so, watching these guys fight, thinking all the while
“I can beat this guy. I can beat ALL of these guys. Fuck this I’m callin’ Marv.”
I see a glorious return much in the vein of Randy coming out of retirement and layin that asswhuppin on Timmy.
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It'd be similar in that BJ would return at heavyweight
BJ with a year off, all that barbeque and burritos… oh man.
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by menckenstein on Nov 11, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There are too many PPVs
The mythical “casual fan” isn’t going to buy 2 PPVs in back to back weeks. I know we’re all huge fans – the BE Community – and how many of us actually pay for all the PPVs?
If Bernard Hopkins and Manny have separate PPVs on back to back weekends, casual boxing fans will pick one (maybe) and buy that. This is no different. They’ll just pick the bigger name(s).
by PackMMA on Nov 11, 2011 10:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions 5 recs
Yep, quality is way down as well...
In addition to not wanting to buy 2-UFC’s within a couple weeks, not that many people want to spend $55 on a card that has 2 decent fights and then a huge dropoff in quality. A direct result to diluting the brand.
I don’t think BJ Penn will be any kind of a draw at WW…just another version of Rich Franklin. I think in order for him to be a draw, he needs to be in a title hunt.
Good point. How many ppv buys does the UFC lose from people finding live streams? If anything, the hardcore fans should be more committed to buying the ppvs
by dumpmasta on Nov 11, 2011 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
There will be 15 UFC ppvs in 2011, and that's 3 ppvs too many
There were 14 ppvs in 2010, 13 in 2009, and 11 in 2008. It seems pretty clear to me that they have passed the limit for how many ppvs they can have in any given calendar year and still maximize their yearly ppv buys. The UFC shouldn’t have anymore than 12 ppvs per calendar year after 2011. The talent is spread too thin to make great cards that draw audiences consistently beyond 300-350K. The UFC also doesn’t give themselves enough time to promote their cards with aggressive schedule they have. One week is not enough to promote cards like 136, especially after they were 3 consecutive events that came before it.
UFC 125, 127,136, and 137 all suffered with less than 300K buys because of this and the plague of injuries.
by amendamatrix on Nov 11, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Over-saturation imo. I think they should limit ppv to maybe 10-12 a year, basically one every month, and 4-6 free cards. Like really, really good free cards, not that watered down bs.
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by SentientAndroid on Nov 11, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I do.
But I’m pretty rare in that I watch no other sports at all, so even a bunk card according to most I get pretty hype for.
I realize I represent about 0.00001%, so yea there could probably be less cards.
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Ratings over here stayed at a steady 50,000 or so
UFC 136 probably shouldn’t have happened, hell add an extra title fight to 135 and 137 plus Sonnen/Stann and Zuffa probably makes more money.
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really curious as to what sort of ratings tomorrows fight pulls
if they kill it this just means the ufc is putting on far too many ppvs, if they dont there could be some serious problems
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This year's avearge for the PPV shows:
$195 per seat.
Avg Attendance: 17,104
Average Gate: $3,336,078
these number include the statistical anomaly that was UFC 129 in Toronto, but no data was released for UFC 134 (that I could find)
Interestingly enough the Spike pre-lims dropped off considerably for 136 and 137. Both barely broke a million after the UFC was averaging almost 1.4 million until the Fox deal was announced. It makes sense that Spike is not promoting the UFC, but I am pretty suprised at how quickly the numbers dropped.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
fickle fucks are a part of any business
but realizing that 40% of that core audience is fickle is amazing to me.
Hell, ION did 829k viewers in January and no one had ever heard of ION before the pre-lims announcement.
That's just mind blowing to me.
Something tells me that if someone put Japanese Midget Light Bulb Wrestling over here on PPV, some of those guys would buy it.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Woe them.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
That's down almost 40% year over year.
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by Luke Thomas on Nov 11, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
There are some valid reasons for it but still
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by MattParker117 on Nov 11, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
There are many defensible reasons for a drop, but a precipitous one like that is about more than bad luck.
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by Luke Thomas on Nov 11, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Luke and Dave talked about this in their interview
But the big thing to worry about for the UFC is the drop in the low end. The “bad luck” aspect of it, things like GSP injury and Lesnar illness, is easy to explain, and it might turn out that next year GSP fights three times and there’s a huge PPV with some combination of Velasquez/JDS and Lesnar/Overeem, and they’ll be riding high with their biggest shows again.
The problem is on the lower-tier cards. The fact that the UFC is now dipping below 300,000 buys, even for some pretty solid cards — after previously reaching a point where they thought 300,000 was their floor — is problematic.
Best case scenario for the UFC is that out of the 6 million or so people who watch Fox tomorrow night, a couple hundred thousand become new regular or at least semi-regular pay-per-view buyers and shore up the low-end number.
by MichaelDavidSmith on Nov 11, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Scary trends for the UFC
From 2006 – 2010 the median buys was 500,000. It is now 367,000. 11 of their 13 cards this year did below their historical median.
Considering the economic meltdown of 2008 and their continued pumping of events, it is not surprising.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you can jump from a 48 month sample size to a 10 month sample size
I’d be more interested in seeing the percentage drop off from a 2006-2010 to 2007-2011 or even the percentage difference from a 2006-2010 sample to 2006-2011 sample. Unless you’re comparing equal or similar sample sizes your numbers are misleading.
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Speaks to the unsustainability of PPV, IMO
People are getting fed up with paying $55 a pop. The UFC needs to put less and less events on PPV- right now, only the really solid cards should be PPV. Hopefully in a year or so, they’re only putting on a PPV every other month.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Injuries (HW Title on the shelf for a year, Aldo’s neck problem’s, Edgar & Maynard getting hurt, 133 in general, GSP’s knee injury, etc…)
Weather
We could go on
I was expecting a drop this year due to the lack of a Rampage/Evans type fight, but nothing this bad.
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by MattParker117 on Nov 11, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
The economic climate worldwide is a mess. That they can break even while still being somewhat of a fringe sport is still good news to me.
No matter what DW says, they’re not “thriving.” But 225,000 or 280,000 is still a decent number when they’re churning out so many cards per year.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Has anyone calculated a projected earning average of their PPVs?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that S&P maintained there credit rating despite this is a very good sign.
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by MattParker117 on Nov 11, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'll be shocked if that ever happens.
When did the UFC become too big to fail?
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
SERIOUSLY.
They’re still raking in a SHIT TON of dough. The live gate generally covers the fighter’s payroll (and THEN some), and if you’re getting 250k PPV buys, for a median price of $50, you’re still making 12.5 million dollars (that’s not to mention the bars that pay Zuffa to show their cards). Subtract their overhead costs and the cut that the PPV provider takes, and they’re still netting several million dollars profit.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget to take 50% off the PPV revenue, they only get half of cable buy profits.
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I have 5,210,000 for the year.
125 – 270k
126 – 725k
127 – 260k
128 – 445k
129 – 900k
130 – 325k
131 – 335k
132 – 350k
133 – 310k
134 – 335k
135 – 450k
136 – 225k
137 – 280k
Where do we differ and why? Did some revised numbers come out that I missed?
129 did 800,000 and 131 did 325,000
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by MattParker117 on Nov 11, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
My calculator was also wrong
It’s actually 5.1 million buys.
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by MattParker117 on Nov 11, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
On average that amounts to 400.76923... K
They’re breaking even, average-wise, this year. Going from Meltzer’s 238 K figure, that is.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Take out 129 and the average is 318,750
80,000 * 50 = 4mm/2 = 2mm per event pofit.
Still not shabby in a very down economy. Throw in the 1,000,000+ buys for the 12/30 show and Zuffa will end the year strong.
I have a feeling that GSP’s draw is going to start to fall as well, given his less exciting fights as of late. Just a feeling.
I haven’t bought a PPV in a long time. Costs too much and there’s so many. If UFC wanted to increase PPV’s, they’d have less of them and have more free cards on TV.
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by MattParker117 on Nov 11, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
The FOX deal couldn't have come at a more critical time for Zuffa
To put it shortly, PPVs are down because of market oversaturation and the UFC previously had no other model in place to compensate. Sure there was Versus and Spike, but they had a limited number of available slots and way too much content.
Now with FOX, they can offload a lot of their content into free to watch TV to bolster interest in their flagship product, the PPV. And since they have more available slots on TV, they can generate less PPVs (on average 1 to 1.25 per month) but make them much higher quality and guaranteed draws.
In the end, Zuffa knew for quite some time that the model which had been so explosively successful during the late 00s, had peaked already and was on the decline. They needed to shake things up substantially and they have.
Just have to say, who predicted 250 in the 137 roundtable? And who was told he was way off base with such a low number? Sweet, sweet vindication…
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by Fraser Coffeen on Nov 11, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions
It's done.
The great MMA experiment is over. The UFC needs to quit pretending they still have positive net cash flow and fold up shop now.
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Is that your expert economist/business oppinion.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Well, they're so fucked, then.
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
They are
When the five us on Earth who are going to watch UFC on Fox 1 don’t buy whatever the sponsors are selling during the commercials, the partnership fill fizzle and the UFC will have to let a lot of fighters go.
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Penguin is a live dog at +300
Ostrich is too close to call
Wait, does man get to use tools? That could change everything.
there will be various pieces of weapons strewn about, but nothing assembled
we need to curb the advantage of the opposable thumb.
At least until we get to the LION ROUND!!!!
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by Unabomberman on Nov 11, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure about that
I wouldn’t mind seeing Tom Cruise get mauled by a lion. Scientology is the perfect excuse for that.
I could hardly get away with using “worst actor of my generation after Keanu Reeves (who gets a pass on the Matrix)” as my reason…
There are lots of reasons
why numbers may seem down. yes, lackluster main events, the economy, the sheer number of ppvs, etc..
One thing I think gets passed up, is, bars showing the fights. A few years ago, it was a struggle to find a bar that showed the UFC, even in major markets. Now, there a tons, that regularly pack hundreds of fans in for fights, becoming an event for your weekend out. This is a huge difference and one I think cannot be overstated.
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do bars count as PPV buys?
I wonder if they count them at all, and if they do, do they count them as like a bundle of buys depending on the size of the bar or just one buy.
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Bars pay a license to show the PPV
I think bars pay over $1000 per event, it may be closer to $2000. I vaguely remember this number when there was news many months back about UFC taking bar owners to court for illegally showing PPVs in their establishment.
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I wonder if they are counted as a straight individual buy or as a multiple
I know they buy the license to show the fights based on the amount of customers their bar can legally hold. Would a bar that holds 50 count as 50 buys? Or would they break down a license fee into dollar amount and divide that into individual PPV buy costs?
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by Papercut Elbow on Nov 11, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I mean could they count a bars buy as 1?
I think the trend in the last few years when the PPV’s have bordered on excessive and not as stacked as it felt years ago has been for people to go to bars, BWW, Applebees etc
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by Papercut Elbow on Nov 11, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
The only important indicator is revenue for year on year
And since they’re a private company, no one’s going to get a look at their books they don’t want to.
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Of course but were all here making the assumptions that these numbers are bad without knowing all the variables. Maybe theyre making more $$$ from bars and that profit is offset by that.
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by Papercut Elbow on Nov 11, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's possible
I’d say they’re definitely down year on year though, because of the lack of Lesnar and GSP. Which makes me think they’ve been too dependent on guys like Lesnar without building new stars out of guys liked Edgar. He was in 2 back to back career defining, fantastic fights with Maynard and hardly anyone watched. That is something they HAVE to address.
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They are most definitely down, but they are down from numbers that were abnormally high. TUF is what made them profitable, not lesnar. They were making money before lesnar, Lesnar sending some buyrates through the roof was gravy, and now they are at a lower, but still profitable number.
Either way, the end resulf for next year is going to be less PPVs but more fights, which is better for everyone.
Some pay waaay more than that.
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BJ Penn is not a draw anymore and never was a big one to begin with
This is the 4th card he’s drawn under 500k.
UFC 137 – 280k
UFC 127 – 260k
UFC 84 – 475k
UFC 80 – 225k
And his best-drawing fights were at WW. Hughes vs. Penn II at UFC 63 did 400k and obviously GSP vs. Penn II was a mammoth title fight that did what, 900k?
Even his best-drawing title fights at LW (101, 107, and 118) were aided with Anderson Silva, Couture vs. Toney, and Mir’s first fight off the Brock beating.
This now kills off his drawing power and basically means the UFC really is down to just two draws.
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UFC 101 did 850k buys, allegedly
and UFC 107 did 600k+.
BJ was a very good draw at the peak of his lightweight run.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
He was
He’s like a 2nd tier draw because when he is the only drawing power the buyrates are terrible. He needs a supporting cast while Brock and GSP don’t.
His best draws came against the best fighters at WW.
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The GSP card was certainly the highest draws,
but like I said before- 101 and 107 were his best PPV drawing performanes
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
He did 620k at UFC 107 against Sanchez at lightweight when he was the only draw on the card. BJ was most definitely a draw, and not too long ago either.
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Frank Mir was on the card as well
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by MattParker117 on Nov 11, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Hell yea dude that whole place was there for BJ once GSP was off the card.
almost 300,000 peeps buying this card, for Bj alone basically.
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Yea even at these 'low" buyrates
they are still pulling in like 20 Million dollars per PPV, and paying out maybe 2-3 million to run the show.
Seems like its doing ok to me.
I think they could make 10 Mill per PPV and still be printing money like a mufucka.
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I sort of doubt the numbers are quite that good. There are a ton of marketing costs and biz dev costs, as well as other hard costs. They’re certainly profitable, but I don’t think they’re quite that profitable.
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Ok then double that even.
5 million to put on a PPV, that does 285,000 buys. Thats still over 10 million in profits.
Thats fuckng crazy business dude, even at the low point.
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Yeah it is. I don’t know if you’re pulling numbers out of your arse though, so it doesn’t mean that much. But maybe you’ve done some research, in which case it’s more info than I have.
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Some good data here.
And if anything profits would be up with the addition of UFC.TV as the cost of hosting from the internet would be a fraction of what would be paid to a cable company.
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Once upon a time I was simply in the habit of paying for every single show no matter who was on it. I was just so excited for every single show. Then they started running more and more shows and I started skipping a lot of them. Skipping eventually became the rule more than the exception except for the most exciting of fights. Once I got in the habit of skipping, I pay for maybe 1 show per year, where I used to pay monthly almost. I feel like the UFC got a little bit greedy a little too fast.
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by Dooda on Nov 11, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's how it happened for alot of us, I think.
Luckily I’m 21 now, so I can just hit up Hooters and watch the fights + eat some wings and drink beer. And ogle the waitresses, of course!
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder what dana is saying he started talking smack when fedor only got 700k viewers but his champs barely break 250k.
Well,
there’s definitely a difference between premium cable and PPV. Fedor was a VERY good draw for the hardcore fans, though. Both Affliction cards did over 100k buys.
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 11, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
nothing, because he’s smart enough to know the difference between viewers on showtime and pay per view buyers.
He's definitely smart enough to know the difference
He’s even smarter to know a lot of people don’t know the difference and he can spin the numbers.
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