Bellator Notebook: Arguing For Title Rematches, Ratings Drop, Former UFC Talent Signed
On the day of the battle between Bellator Welterweight Champion Ben Askren and Jay Hieron, I lamented about how the fight was getting no buzz or attention because of its placement directly against a UFC pay-per-view featuring two well-known entities in B.J. Penn and Nick Diaz.
A few days later, that thought is still prevalent as Askren and Hieron battled for 25 minutes in one of most entertaining bouts in the promotion's history -- one that begs for an immediate rematch in a similar vein as the non-title bout between 205-pound champion Christian M'Pumbu and Travis Wiuff the week before.
For those that didn't see the fight, I implore you to find it as there was some controversy following Askren's split decision victory over Hieron to retain the belt. Hieron's striking gave the champion fits throughout, while Askren was able to secure takedowns and control the challenger on the mat. It was a close bout between someone that is still young as a fighter against a veteran who appeared to do everything right to take home the gold.
But because of Bellator's tournament format, there's no easy way to give Hieron a deserved rematch without delaying the opportunity afforded the winner of the ongoing 170-pound tournament. However, it seems odd to ask Hieron to go back into the tournament mix and do the whole thing over again when many thought he beat the champion to begin with.
A lot of this depends on when Bellator expects to start their next season on MTV2. If in March, you could have the fight at the beginning of the season with the tournament winner getting their opportunity in June or July. However, making either Ben Saunders or Douglas Lima wait eight months seems counterproductive in addition to avoiding the pitfall of either man lose an interim bout and weaken their contender status.
There are a lot of positives with the Bellator format, but there are a few negatives when you have great title fights and can't cleanly do immediate rematches. Hieron deserves another opportunity, but might have to fight his way through another tournament to get there.
Halloween Weekend Horror
Not surprisingly, ratings were scary for Bellator 56 Saturday, dropping for the second straight week. According to MMA Junkie's research, 154,000 people tuned in to see Askren vs. Hieron and the heavyweight tournament semifinals -- a dip of 14,000 from the week before. That continues a three-week slide, contributed to by UFC 137 and Halloween weekend.
Luckily, the promotion won't see a drop next week as they are taking a week off, airing a season recap/tournament final special at 11 PM EST instead. However, they return on November 12...against the UFC's debut on Fox.
The Big Guys Work Fast
Fans that didn't see Saturday's show missed Eric Prindle and Thiago Santos making quick work of their opponents and advancing to the tournament finals. Prindle (9-1) won his seventh straight by knocking out Ron Sparks in 40 seconds while Santos (10-1) took his fourth win in a row with a 38-second submission of Neil Grove. Prindle and Santos will meet in the season finale event on Saturday, November 26, with the winner facing champion Cole Konrad in 2012.
Foster The People
Former UFC welterweight Brian Foster was signed Tuesday and is already gearing up to challenge Askren in the future. The 27-year-old has won four in a row, including his last two in the UFC. However, he was medically released earlier this year after having to pull out of a April fight due to a brain hemorrhage and he later suffered a burst testicle during training.
The Bellator release said Foster (18-5) is medically cleared and he fought twice last month with two first-round submission wins within two weeks time -- his first action in nearly a year. No date was given for his promotional debut.
Spoonman
The quick work by the heavyweights Saturday allowed for an entertaining featherweight contest from the undercard to make air in Jeremy Spoon vs. Adam Schindler. After a competitive first round, Spoon turned it on in the final two with great striking that bloodied up Schindler's face. His unanimous decision victory puts him at 12-0 and an interesting, likely candidate for the promotion's next 145-pound tournament.
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ALL BLACK PEOPLE LOOK ALIKE ALERT.
Why is Askren asking for a kiss from Frank Trigg?
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Can't wait to see Saunders take the welter weight tourney
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This Brian Foster info is blowing my mind
I hadn’t heard about this.
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by Charles Awad on Nov 1, 2011 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, same here. Seems like a strange situation, getting released from the UFC because of that thing on two wins, only to later get cleared and continue fighting elsewhere. Normally you would assume he’d continue fighting in the UFC in such a situation. Wonder why that didn’t happen?
by Horselover Fat on Nov 1, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The last I had heard on Foster was that the UFC was allowing him to fight outside the organization as he came back from his injuries. It turns out he was actually released. The article calls it a “medical” release, whatever that means. Bellator is a decent landing spot and he has a great chance to compete against the weaker competition.
UFC probably doesn’t even want to risk any bad publicity if something bad were to happen to Foster in the Octagon that could be directly linked to his prior medical conditions.
by discoandherpes on Nov 1, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard about it and forced myself to forget.
The words “burst” and “testicle” should never be next to each other.
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by pdl on Nov 1, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
lol
Turning this green with one hand…
and holding my junk in the other, out of sympathy/fear
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by hardlyworking on Nov 1, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
he shouldnt have sparred with Gary Goodridge
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by Discman2 on Nov 2, 2011 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It wasn’t a Machida vs Shogun 1 razor thin battle of technical masterminds or anything, but Prindle vs. Sparks had that ‘Giant rednecks slugging it out hard’ magic that really worked for me. And that counter left hook was actually pretty sweet.
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by some schmuck in texas on Nov 1, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
This. I loved last week’s card.
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by mountaineers101 on Nov 1, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
if you got a gif of the ko sequence I'll give you a nickel.
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by some schmuck in texas on Nov 1, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
left hook to the temple, face down to the canvas with a helluva bounce, then a one two from back mount
I bet Sparks doesn’t remember his kids’ names anymore.
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by some schmuck in texas on Nov 1, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a stain in your briefs that even OxyClean can’t get out.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Nov 2, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
also, what marketing bigshot decided to put the bye week next week, but have a live event on the night of pacquiao/marquez 3 / velasquez/dos santos?
Nice diploma, you get it from a crackerjack box?
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by some schmuck in texas on Nov 1, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Exactly.
This card would come before UFC 138 for me most likely.
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by Our Bovine Public on Nov 1, 2011 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
How come Foster didn't come back to ufc?
Did he just feel fighting outside the ufc for a while was better for him or did Zuffa not want to resign him?
Rather be a big fish in a small pond, maybe?
Honestly, I can’t say I blame him. He had five fights in the UFC, and I can’t recall a single one. Sorta got lost in the shuffle. Having an extremely unique name like BRIAN FOSTER can’t help matters either.
In bellator, the submissions are sweet, not slick
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by some schmuck in texas on Nov 1, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re going to remain in tournament limbo until either MTV gives them an additional hour or, more likely, they wait until Spike gives them more air time for each card in 2013. Until one of those happens, they can only air four fights live on their TV broadcast. That means that at least seven cards a year can only show one tournament’s opening round, but they also need to find time to show the semi-final rounds for each weight class and the finals. They appear to only have a commitment from MTV to air a certain number of cards per year.
Until they get enough live air time to show six fights per card (you need a half hour per fight), they can’t really overlap tournaments. The champ should be fighting no less than three times a year. At this point, they’re simply too new and have too few broadcast hours to keep all fighters busy and make the title defenses happen often enough. If Viacom commits to keeping them afloat into 2013, maybe that will all improve. I’m leaning toward giving Bjorn some more time to right the ship, mostly because it seems Viacom bought in with full knowledge that it’s not currently a money maker and it feels like they’re willing to take the long range view.
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Damn I love watching Foster fight
I’m sure he’ll be back with a few more wins.
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Surprised it wasn't mentioned here
From Saunders’s facebook:
November 12th LIVE on MTV2 and Epix HD starting at 7PM ET! This means no excuses not to watch!
So some of the crossover is avoided here, tho it will clash with the FB fights
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Nice job Josh...
I feel like the Askren fight came down to who won the 1st round. Do you think you could add a poll to this to see what the BE community thought in terms of who won the 1st round. My vote on the initial viewing was for Herron, but on a second viewing I changed my mind and went with Askren.
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Heiron deserved to lose the fight
For cheering for himself like a jackass after kicking Askern in the 5th. He did the same thing against Weedman. For a guy who constantly (by design) goes to razor thin decisions, he’s way too confident that he’s winning.
by Steadiest Pink on Nov 1, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Askren's striking sucks
This is known.
But I would be hard pressed to say that Heiron was doing much of anything. I mean, just barely, slightly effective striking, and some nice sprawls, could win him the round, technically.
But “Pride rules” judging I would definitely give the fight to Askren. Heiron’s greatest accomplishment in that 25 minute period was looking like a jackass for the final 3 minutes. Oh, he did have one nice (really nice actually) sweep. But yah… jackass.
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by hardlyworking on Nov 1, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. Heiron greatest accomplishment in twenty five minutes is out-striking Askren while not getting put on his back very often at all.
by discoandherpes on Nov 2, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Good suggestion!
Poll added!
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I'm calling it now!!!
Limas walking away from this tourney as the number 1 contender and he will submit Askren in his title shot! You heard here first!! WAR LIMA!! Although I still got love for the Killa Bee.
by Cestus84 on Nov 1, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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:p - orcus
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by Chris Hall on Nov 1, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rooting against Ben
Should be an official bannable offense here.
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by halitosis on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lynching was invented for situations such as these.
Shame on you sir. Shame on you…
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by Unabomberman on Nov 2, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t believe you just dissed the one guy who could give Nick Diaz a decent fight. Guess we’ll just have to be patient and hope in a couple years they decide to unify the belts. Diaz vs. Saunders, Super Bowl weekend 2014. Whose long undefeated streak will end that night?
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by Scabby Knuckle on Nov 2, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Surprised at the Foster signing...
I was under the impression that he was back in UFC as soon as he got a couple fights down.
I ended up watching this card instead of the UFC PPV
Cause I wanted to be able to switch back and forth with the catastrophic Wisconsin game, and I was pleasantly surprised.
I think one could reasonably score Askren-Hieron as a draw with a 10-10 round 1, but that’s being awfully generous to Askren, who really did nothing in that round (Hieron did slightly less than nothing). I can’t see how you score it for Hieron, but it might be one of those close-fights-go-to-the-champ deals.
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Foster deserves a UFC title shot
I don’t care how good he is, he’s still fight after a Brain Hemmorage AND A BURST TESTICLE, give him a mutherfuckin belt!
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Nov 2, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions
Welterweight tournament seems the most interesting tourny
Askren is all talk, as expected.
If nate fought him he would have probably murdered him.
He won’t be holding that title for long.
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He's a former Olympian turned MMA fighter and he's in his mid twenties.
He will be the next GSP I guarantee you.
by Tairy Hesticles on Nov 2, 2011 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorta random:
Seeing as Pat Cote keeps getting screwed by the UFC (personal friend, he’s been told his last three fights that if he wins, he’s in), do you think he should enter the next Bellator tournament? And if so, do you think he would do well? I think he would win the tourny, not sure about the Lombard fight..
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It would be great to see Cote enter the next tournament. Shlemenko has looked really good lately and if he makes it through the current tournament to fight Lombard again it will be interesting to see who comes out with the belt. After that, if either of them enter the next tournament, Pat might have a struggle winning it. Only one way to find out….. good luck to him.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Nov 2, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on what he wants.
If he’s looking for some fast cash and an active schedule, Bellator makes sense. He’d be a pretty big fish over there and I’m sure he’d do well. Of course there’s only two possible outcomes to entering the Bellator tournie: 1) win the tournie and take the belt (then be locked in by Champions clause), or 2) Lose a fight (and probably your chances of getting back in the UFC).
If he really wants back in the UFC, he should hold tight. He’s always been skilled enough and he’s on a nice little run. If he keeps at it he’ll get back in.
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by POW on Nov 2, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Bellator needs to take a page
from the UFC’s playbook and just give Hieron the immediate rematch. It won’t prevent the eventual winner of their next tourney from fighting for a belt, it just might not be against Askern. Why is that bad or unfair to anyone? Hieron and Askern get to fight more and fans get to see more fights. I don’t see a down side.
This is bullshit. So a lot of people won’t see Ben Saunders fight because of this? What was Bellator thinking? This is the second time in a row that poor Ben has ended up fighting on a card competing against a big UFC card the same night. What makes this worse is that this time Bellator is competing against a free title fight on a major network. Like I said, complete and total bullshit.
Bellator needs to take Hioki's advice...it's time to change
Great article Jason, Bellator’s format needs a change I’ve rallied against it for a while now and I’m glad you addressed it.
I do like the tournament & giving the winner a shot at the title, but it shouldn’t be the only way to the title. Champs shouldn’t have to wait that long to defend their title.
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