UFC 137 Results: B.J. Penn Releases Statement
by Tim Burke on Oct 31, 2011 7:00 PM EDT
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After dropping a decision to Nick Diaz in the main event at UFC 137 and having his eye swollen up to grotesque proportions, B.J. Penn announced his retirement from MMA in an interview with Joe Rogan. Penn has talked about retirement many times before, and the moment seemed appropriate for that sort of announcement. But today he released a statement through his webpage BJPenn.com, and it might have opened the door to a return just a tiny bit:
"I want to thank all the fans for their love and support. I have decided to take some time off to enjoy life, train and teach. I will keep you guys posted with what's next."
- BJ Penn
"Take some time off" and "retire" are very different things. Could we see Penn back in the cage someday? He is definitely still a top guy in the sport and is only 32 years old, so it's possible. Whatever he decides to do, he's a surefire Hall of Famer. I wonder how long it will take for the UFC to jump on that idea.
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by T.C. Engel on Oct 31, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE... ...you have no heart!
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Do you mind if I reshoop it a little bit?
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Here it is:
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
The text has got to be different
I think a lot of things when I think “Diaz”. “Family man” is not one of them.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, but Diaz is no family man
It just doesn’t fit for me. I dunno, maybe throw a joint in there and the contrast will make more sense.
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According to Street Fighter lore...
“Go Home and Be a Family Man” is a command of Guile’s to anyone he beats, male or female.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That makes more sense
Apparently I’m uncultured in SF lore. I thought it was a message to Guile.
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Solid work right there
A+++++++++++ would lol again, etc etc.
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by CasualMMAFan on Oct 31, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Guile’s theme does go with everything.
by discoandherpes on Oct 31, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im sure we’ll see BJ back in the octagon. He might just need a break, he’s been fighting for almost his entire adult life. Whether it be in BJJ tournaments or MMA.
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Yep I thought the same thing. I sure don’t blame BJ for wanting to see what life without being punched in the face on a daily basis is like.
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He’ll be back in a year, Cro Cop will probably fight for KSW, and Lytle already talked about coming back last month.
Godspeed to these guys and I hope they do whatever fulfills them personally and professionally, but you can’t take anyone at face value anymore. I’m don’t know whether it’s good or bad that the sport literally needs to stop returning phone calls for a fighter to truly hang them up, but it usually doesn’t bode well in combat sports.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What you’re saying is relevant with fighters like Chuck Liddell but definitely not with BJ. He’s never been KOd or submitted, and is only 32 years old. If the guy wants to take time off fighting for the first time in his life, who are we to tell him he can’t come back?
Goldberg: "Speakin a little portuguesa"
Rogan: "Uh, that's Japanese, brotha."
Goldberg: "Is it? I should've known that."
Rogan: "You're the one married to a Japanese chick."
Goldberg: "That is correct."
You missed my point. It’s not that I want BJ to retire necessarily, nor did I want Lytle to, or Mirko for that matter. It’s a fighter saying he’s going to for a reaction, then pulling a “but we’ll see what happens in the future, I’m leaving the door open”.
It feels cheap when you’re blatantly lying to your fanbase. I know you can chalk it up to heat of the moment, but we’re becoming jaded towards something that should be an emotional moment in a fighter’s career when he DOES actually decide to hang ’em up.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 31, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That is what made Lytle’s last fight so electric to watch. You knew it was his last and he didn’t proclaim anything different at the post-fight interview. I think all fighters need to refrain from making these announcements in the post-fight unless they are 100% decided.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I'm talking about
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 31, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard about that. I’m saying it seemed like he was done at the time and didn’t have many qualms about it.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that BJ’s (perhaps temporary) retirement lacked the luster it deserved, but that’s BJ’s style and personality. My reaction, and that of the crowds based on what I could tell, was more that of shock and bewilderment than reverence and congratulations. The spontaneous announcement took me by surprise, but I’m not gonna fault BJ for saying that.
Goldberg: "Speakin a little portuguesa"
Rogan: "Uh, that's Japanese, brotha."
Goldberg: "Is it? I should've known that."
Rogan: "You're the one married to a Japanese chick."
Goldberg: "That is correct."
I don't think they are lying
I think after a long training camp, and then the fight itself, it’s so mentally draining that after years and years of doing it they are almost broken after it all. Then they sit around and get time to reflect on it and then they realize that they still have that something deep down inside.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
I understand your thinking though
They should just not say anything until they are sure.
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He can compete at top competition at lightweight, just not if it involves Frankie Edgar.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
I still think a motivated BJ beats Edgar
A lot of people thought he won the first fight but in the second fight he just didn’t seem to give a shit.
It was Edgar's crazy-ass point fighting that totally discombobulated poor BJ.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Edgar still takes it. But, why not make a career out of being the Jon Fitch of lightweight? You can still fight viable competitors, main event/co-main a few cards, and still have success.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Being the Jon Fitch meaning being the number two guy forever.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Theres a big difference between Edgar and GSP
GSP in this title run, has been dominant and never really been in trouble (sans eye pokes), Edgar on the other hand has shown he is beatable and has been on the verge on losing in his past two fights.
Having said that
There’s a lot LWs that I think that can beat Edgar, and I think BJ happens to beat those guys.
If everything plays out the way I think, theres a good chance BJ becomes champ again.
Very true. I proposed Moneyweight Penn a few comments down, and it doesn’t seem like that bad of an idea.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he won the first
and I think he could have won the 2nd if he adapted his gameplan..In the 5th round i think it was he had success with takedowns. If he worked more of that in the fight instead of sticking to his counter punching, he might have been able to take more rounds..
Agreed
but everything was off about BJ that night. I still remember him just standing there while his corner kept hitting him with the banner, not doing anything.
there absolutely is a field of misfortune around Penn when he's in failure mode
not to take one iota of credit from Diaz, but this walkout had it all:
- the dark rings under the eyes
- appeared to be on the verge of tears
- two separate camera collisions
if he’d been wearing a hat, it would have been stolen at best and at worst caught fire or something
by LBo on Oct 31, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this
He could have won both fights with groundwork
by Cunny on Oct 31, 2011 7:56 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah but he was unable to do that.. Ita ridiculous when bj fans make excuses for him. Bj was unable to take nick down and keep him there… That’s like saying “yeah well he would’ve won if he had connected with a hard ko shot”… Well he didn’t and was unable too..it’s silly to think bj only lost fights bc of motivation… How can a fighter who has fought for over ten years continually use that excuse over and over… Bj just was the lesser fighter on the nights he lost… He trained, he was motivated… He lost… His fans need to except this
by bert44 on Oct 31, 2011 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We were talking about Edgar
But with Nick he spent too much time getting picked apart by boxing to implement a good TD game. And I was supporting Nick by halfway through the first when BJ was ahead
Motivation isn’t always the answer. How many fights in general do you see that could have been won with a different gameplan? GSP? Fair enough, BJ was screwed no matter what he did. With Fitch the Fitching was inevitable. But Edgar and Nick? A different gameplan could have changed those fights.
I think he comes back.
He seems like the kind of person that wants to be there for his kids, with a new one coming soon I don’t think he can handle training and taking care of his kids at the same time.
People need to stop using the word "retire"
BJ doesn’t need to be regularly competing at this point in his career if he doesn’t want to. He doesn’t need to be chasing a title, he can spend most of his time relaxing with his family and come back occasionally for whatever fights might interest him.
Penn was the one who used the word "retire"
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Sorry, by people, I meant fighters
And anyone in any other profession in which people regularly retire only to come back a short while later.
My point was, and the one you seemed to be arguing against
Is that this wasn’t a Chuck/CroCop/Wandy situation where fans are calling for the retirement of the fighter. Penn brought this up himself, and has before, so speculation is due. If that wasn’t your original point: my bad.
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I had a feeling that this retirement wouldn’t stick. It seemed spur of the moment, while he was obviously extremely disappointed and dejected. I’ll bet he’s back sooner rather than later, hopefully at LW.
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by mburtoni on Oct 31, 2011 7:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bunch of fights I'd like to see
All at light weight though except maybe one at WW vs Condit. I’d much rather see him fight at LW though, and be in shape.
Moneyweight Penn doesn’t sound like a bad idea. He can take winnable fights against guys with big names, then fight at lightweight for contendership.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
LW
If BJ does come back he HAS to come back at LW. No point otherwise.
eat whatever the fuck you want, dude. and put a steak on that eye.
I think he’s broken forever, personally. He looked like his soul got snatched in that post fight interview.
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 7:33 PM EDT reply actions
His post fight interview was very similar to the one he gave after losing to Edgar the second time, and he came back and KO’d Matt Hughes in 21 seconds.
Goldberg: "Speakin a little portuguesa"
Rogan: "Uh, that's Japanese, brotha."
Goldberg: "Is it? I should've known that."
Rogan: "You're the one married to a Japanese chick."
Goldberg: "That is correct."
by bcpjkell on Oct 31, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey, he’s a grown ass man with plenty of money and can do what he wants.
I’ll point out that after the 2nd Edgar loss he tried to reinvent himself as a WW and only KOed the walking ghost of what was once Matt Hughes, though. What’s he going to do now? Middleweight? Featherweight? If he wants to give it a shot more power to him, but I think his time has passed.
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm....good point
that’s harder to explain away.
It does bring up the thought that he only seems to like the game when he’s winning.
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Name me one person who likes to have his shit pushed in.
Nobody likes the game when they’re losing.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
lotsa guys manage to smile for the camera after a loss, even a bad one.
I’m not gonna bore you with the details too much.
But: Hardy, Lesnar, Sanchez…
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Are they really LOVING it, though? I don't think so.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't claim to see into their hearts
but no, probably not.
I expect a lot of it is putting on a brave face for the fans, or to let the opponent know they won the fight but didn’t beat the man. That’s not what I saw on BJ. He looked like he lost everything, including himself.
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Job well done BJ
At least he is taking time off to think about his future. He hasn’t really looked himself since losing the championship. Good luck with whatever you do BJ!!
by fightersvizion on Oct 31, 2011 7:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He'll be back. I never take retirement statements seriously from professional athletes (at least not the first one)
And I especially don’t put much credence to emotional in-cage statements.
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I've said it in a couple other threads
BJ talks about retiring pretty much after every loss. He was ready to retire after losing to GSP (Before LW was recreated). He was ready to retire after Edgar; he was ready to retire after Fitch. He might be serious this time, but it is not new for him to think about retirement after a loss.
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Yeah, pretty much. I wouldn’t be surprised if he comes back at LW and Joe’s like, “He’s rededicated himself and he’s determined. And a determined BJ is a dangerous BJ…”
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
THis might as well have read: “I’m retired in that I’m taking some time off, but if a cool fight comes along that pays me wicked cash and will be a gimmie, then I’m all over it.”
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Name a single "gimme" fight Penn has ever taken.
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by Chris Hall on Oct 31, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly sir.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 31, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Hughes 3 was (IMO).
But I wasn’t inferring that he takes easy fights. He’s probably embodied the most pure warrior spirit of our sport ever, and ever will be. But at this point, he should just take fights that are good matchups, and not fights that will take him apart like that.
He said himself, I can’t go home to my family looking like this.
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Bullshit
Hughes was on a 3 fight streak and ranked 9th in the division. Considering Penn had come off two consecutive losses, there’s no fucking way that was a gimme. You’re looking at the fight through hindsight.
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Holy poop you really took that comment seriously. Okay I’ll take it back.
People are a little bit sensitive right now I guess.
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I did
But I’m drunk, and I can’t guarantee I read the rest of your comment after seeing that.
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Oh man, he's gonna have to fight Matt Serra in his return fight
It’s gonna have to be at super heavyweight.
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The bizzaro Rumbleweight?
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by Sugel Mendoza on Nov 1, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
penn should stay retired
If he comes back, I don’t think hell do it the right way. He’s got barely any motivation now, what will give him that later? Will he come back as lazy penn? If he did, why would he do it. Unless he gets a fire lit under him…. Stay retgired
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by Discman2 on Oct 31, 2011 8:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Exactly. What I was going to say.
You people forget way to quickly. BJ has had motivation issues since his loss against Edgar, the old BJ is and has been gone for a while now. This is not the same person. LW division is stacked beyond belief with young talent with something to prove, people who don’t have motivation issues, people whose camps actually push them to the limit. BJ is not going to be the “Jon Fitch” of LW, he’s going to hang around the top 10 because the current BJ won’t do what it takes to get back to the top. It’s not that I don’t like BJ, he’s one of my favorite fighters. But it’s something he’s shown time and time again, he isn’t willing to put in the work to be great again.
Saying he can come back and dominate especially after a loss, and weight class drop, and being 33-34 or however old he is when he comes back is just foolish and stupid. Let the man retire and teach, he only wanted to fight in MMA to be the best.
by Tairy Hesticles on Oct 31, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this
it reminded me of my younger self, dropping out of college because everything was HARD all of a sudden. High School was so easy…
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's none of my buisiness but...did you retake it later on?
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I did eventually finish my degree.
Despite a lot of foolish behavior. Some of which continues to the present day.
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I also finished my degree after lots of foolish behavior too, in the end.
From one procrastinator to another: Good job.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
probably would have been smarter not to go for the bfa
on the other hand, if I didn’t go to art school, I probably woudn’t have finished at all.
And now, for my reward, I shuffle papers and push buttons in the basement of a state government office building.
STAY IN SCHOOL, KIDS!
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
...and major in a STEM field...
Science
Technology
Engineering
Math
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm continuing into postgrad myself.
Mostly ’cause school is all I know and unless I figure some way to emigrate off-country, I cannot dedicate myself to do research, mostly.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 31, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ’s going to come back to the UFC with more hair, looking younger and under the alias “Reagan” he’s going to RNC Frankie Edgar.
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by Not Hauser on Oct 31, 2011 8:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh hey, Fox and Direct TV have decided to play nice.
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
looks that way
I just fanposted. My source is the Louie on FX facebook feed, so I’m guessing it’s pretty legit.
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by some schmuck in texas on Oct 31, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not surprised
I said on the first post about these issues, that I’ve seen these negotiations before with TW and, in the end, I never lost a station.
Granted, it’s going to take an established provider standing up to a major network entity for them to lose some leverage, but it’s hard to convince your consumer base, that they have to lose some of the highest rated channels in the industry.
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BJ is a living legend and has earned the right to do what he pleases
The problem I have is it is clear that his heart isn’t in it and hasn’t been for some time. Its like he sits around in Hilo for a while gets bored and trains and fights to kill time.
As I said he has earned the right to come and go as he pleases but while he’s getting paid 150k, Roy Nelson is getting paid 20k and other guys are getting paid 4,6 and 8k which isn’t BJ’s fault/problem but that extra 150k (plus whatever else he is really getting) could be spread out and given to guys that are killing themselves physically and financially to live out their UFC dream.
I know, it’s expensive to kill yourself physically the way Roy Nelson does. That’s gotta be expensive.
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I know Roy doesn't have the physique of everyone else in the big leagues
But it’s pretty ridiculous to act like his training camp is any less expensive than other fighters’.
:p - orcus
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Yeah it’s not fair of me to say it at all. But I just had to poke a jab at him. Seems he does too.
Your point stands btw.
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Yeah, it seems like throughout this post, I completely mistook your facetiousness
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He’s been fighting guys like JDS & Frank Mir and earning considerably less. To the general fan I would go as far to say they would be more interested in seeing Roy fight than Mir or JDS (up until the last TUF anyway).
by vicesquad26 on Oct 31, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's a bit misleading to throw around the payday numbers like that
Sure, some guys get paid more than others, but that’s largely because they are perceived as bringing more eyeballs to the card, and therefore more dollars. So yeah GSP will probably make more than the entire supporting cast on a card he headlines, but he also dramatically increases the buyrate, thus justifying his larger paycheck.
You can’t just assume that money that would have been spent putting BJ on a card can be redistributed to other guys…he gets that money because he can bring enough extra PPV and ticket sales to more than cover the extra expense.
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by CasualMMAFan on Oct 31, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear BJ Penn
Please fade away. You clearly don’t care about fighting anymore. Everybody knows you can beat Nick Diaz by wrestling him yet you clearly ignored the blueprint.
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Penn went 1 for 4 on TD attempts.
Diaz scrambled well and completely nullified Penn on the mat from the first TD, then stuffed the others. Handled the ground offense of Penn significantly better than even #2 WW Jon Fitch. Maybe he’s just a really good fighter who’s pressure and cardio are valuable enough tools to beat the hyper-talented BJ Penn.
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I think the point here is that if Penn was working the takedown after the initial one in the first round and continued that into the second and third rounds (instead of trading on the feet and losing all cardio in the process) his takedown attempts would have been more explosive. The ones in the third round were pathetic.
I’m not suggesting that Penn would have finished the fight that way, but I’d agree that it would have been a better strategy that at least woulda had promise. But unfortunately Penn isn’t exactly Sun Tzu when it comes to strategery.
Diaz was just able to stuff the takedowns.
People say he can’t stop a takedown based on fights from half a decade ago, but he’s grown a lot since then and become a better fighter. Sure he gave up the TD against Daley but that was because he knew he could work Daley from any position on the bottom. He went to the ground with Cyborg because he knew he knew he was fresh and Evangelista was tired and he’s own on the mat. He didn’t let BJ take him down because fuck that noise, nobody wants to be underneath BJ Penn besides Mrs. Penn.
Why do people still feel the need to act like Diaz isn’t an awesome fighter? He just proved it. He’s beaten two top 10 fighters (at the time of the fight) in a row in Daley and Penn. He’s good, he’s proven it in and out of the UFC, and he’s going to fight the best WW in the world in a few months. I don’t get why people still diminish his skills after he landed a record setting amount of strikes in a fight against a guy notoriously hard to hit and did it in a UFC main event.
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Hmmm
Diaz is a better striker than he is wrestler.
What exactly was BJ’s gameplan after HE WON THE FIRST ROUND???
Gee guys, I won the first round by mixing up my attack using my striking to setup takedowns. Maybe for the rest of the fight i’m gonna just stand and trade with a guy who has a 6 inch reach advantage and seemingly unlimited cardio, Sounds like a good idea right? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Look, I FUCKING HATE NICK DIAZ. There I said it. Before the Penn fight I thought he was overrated having fought lesser competition in Strikeforce. (another quick note, seriously fuck Paul Daley, and if you think he should be ranked top 10 then fuck you too)
That said: YES he beat BJ Penn. Well done, I will give him props for that. It’s a great accomplishment on paper. If you watched any promos leading up to this fight, BJ looked like he was on autopilot. It seemed as if he didn’t care to give it his all. (please refer to the “Which Penn will show up on fight night” jpeg. We clearly got the one who didn’t really put his heart into the fight.
And now to my final point. Diaz will fight GSP and get wrestlefucked TO DEATH. After that Joe Silva will give Diaz some favourable striker matchups, and eventually he will run into Fitch, Kos and even Ellenberger, and get wrestled to death again. And I can’t fucking wait for GSP to SMASH him.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
You would really be happy with GSP blanket wrestling diaz en route to a UD?
I’m sorry, but that just sounds boring as piss. Hopefully Diaz lit a fire under GSP’s ass with his shit talking and GSP might actually come to fight, instead of come to win.
-If your idea of “SMASH” is 5 rounds of GSP laying on Diaz with his ear on Diaz’s chest, throwing no-look arm punches.
- If you found the Sonnen v. Silva performance appealing for anything other then the fact that silva might have lost.
Then this fight is gonna be off the hook for you!
by OptimusPiss on Nov 1, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm talking about GSP
Not Fitch.
PS. I’m Canadian and GSP can do no wrong. I could really give a flying fuck how GSP wins fights as long as he wins.
PSS. Fuck Sonnen. He’s a cheater. End of story.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
When does GSP lay on people for 5 rounds?
GSP beats people up, standing and on the ground. To act like he wet blankets guys is silly. I think you just want a guy who stands and trades rather than actually fights. And you know what, I think I could watch GSP take guys down for 5 rounds. The way the guy sets up his takedowns is just beautiful.
I don't hate GSP with a passion or anything, but there are a few things that bother me.
GSP fights extremely cautiously. I think it might be worse then any other fighter I have watched. In his Hardy and Alves fight, he took the striker down and didn’t finish. Granted the Alves fight was a beating and i think Georges pulled his groin. The Hardy fight on the other hand is almost inexcusable. Hardy isn’t known for a dangerous guard or his BJJ skills, and yet GSP still didn’t even remotely leave his cautious shell. And to say he was anything other then a “wet blanket” in that fight is silly. The Koscheck and Shields fight were terrible as well, you can make the case that the Kos fight should have been stopped, and Shields is a dirty eye poker. But in both fights GSP never left his comfort zone, he jabbed Kos for 25 mins to avoid getting countered if he threw a combo, he was wary of shields scoring a takedown on him so he again was wary to let his hands go for 25 mins!
The way the guy sets up his takedowns is just beautiful.
I will agree, but I believe he uses takedowns to score points and avoid being damaged on the feet. When I see some evidence he uses takedowns to finish fights or attempt to finish fights, I will be sold.
by OptimusPiss on Nov 1, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure bud
Hardy’s arm is rubber. Torn groin vs Alves. He was throwing overhand bombs the whole fight against Shields before the eye poke. Put down the haterade.
K-1 Level Predictions Team
Put down the excuses.
All of these fighters have been beaten more convincingly by lesser competition.
So GSP can’t finish Hardy because Hardy has such great sub defense? Riiiiiight. Then how come a retiring Chris Lytle can toy with Hardy before subbing him with ease?
Clearly we don’t see eye to eye. GSP is a great competitor and champion, but he is unwilling to take even the slightest risks and if your can’t see that then there is no need continuing our conversation
For the trillionth time, what blueprint? The Sean Sherk blueprint? Get stuffed a bunch of times and punched in the face? If so he did follow that blueprint perfectly.
by discoandherpes on Oct 31, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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by ElliotMatheny on Nov 1, 2011 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s why he jumped to welterweight and fought fitch, right?
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by Hendo_One-Shot on Nov 1, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
If Penn comes back he needs a proper conditioning coach who will whip him into shape. His last 2 fights he has had 1.5 good rounds max in him and then been overwhelmed. At 155 I guess he would have to be in better condition to make weight but he really needs somebody kicking his ass. Left to his own devices he clearly cuts corners. Which is a shame because I shudder to think how good his career could have been if he had been in the sort of physical condition other fighters get themselves into.
by taptomyarmbar on Nov 1, 2011 5:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
return if you're willing to return as LW
I respect BJ a lot but WW is not his weight class. I don’t believe BJ got technically outclassed. Diaz was just a stronger and more in-shaped guy.
I’d die to see BJ’s return but i dont wanna see him losing like that again.
Matt "The Terror" Serra!!!!
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