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Five fights that should have gone five rounds

On Saturday the UFC hosts its first non-title five-rounder between Chris Leben and Mark Munoz, and begins an era . Dana White long maintained that he liked the ‘special’ nature of a 25-minute title tilt, but there’s no denying that the enforced 15-minute curfew on non-title tilts has curtailed the occasional classic. At the elite level of the sport, timing is harder to gauge, mistakes harder to spot, opponents tougher to break down, and a finish more elusive. Below the jump are just five fights that should have gone the championship distance.

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5. Diaz vs Penn, UFC 137
Let’s just get this out of the way. This wasn’t a fight that should have been made a five-rounder with GSP’s departure from the card: it was a fight that should have always been five rounds. Both men were two-time champions (Penn at welterweight and lightweight, Diaz in the WEC and Strikeforce). Diaz is renowned for his cardio, while Penn has shown that, though terrifying in the early going, he can wilt under sustained pressure. Both fighters consistently ignore the possibility of a judge’s decision and fight like you’ve stolen their girlfriend, making a five-round snoozer a virtual impossibility. And in the event, the fight was a Diaz clinic, with the Stockton native showcasing the punching volume that makes him a monster in the welterweight division. Given that BJ seemed resigned to the loss after the fight, perhaps it didn’t matter that the pair were limited to a 15-minute bout. But ask yourself: if the fight had turned out exactly the same but you’d known fourth and fifth rounds were coming as the pair winged haymakers in the closing seconds, how would you have reacted?

4. Evans vs Jackson, UFC 114
In a fight that’s somehow been rechristened ‘boring’ by revisionist MMA historians, Evans floored Jackson within the first minute, planted him with a hybrid power-double/football tackle that’s the apotheosis of his wrestle-boxing style later in the first round, and was forced to fight a desperate rearguard action in the third to take the UD. For his part, Jackson regrouped from an early scare to pummel Evans and nearly force a stoppage. The fight had oceans of bad blood behind it, coming from a season of The Ultimate Fighter where the pair showed a genuine dislike for each other, and watching it end in a razor-thin decision seemed anti-climatic. The message is clear: if you’re going to spend 12 weeks building up a fight, why let it end in 15 minutes? And on that subject...

3. Hughes vs Serra, UFC 98
The Hughes/Serra feud dated back to Serra’s appearance on the ‘comeback’ season of TUF, when Hughes dropped in to give the housemates some of his own abrasive brand of coaching. It intensified when Serra, post-GSP-upset, took the coaching role himself, playing the laid-back Brooklyn foil to Hughes’ Bible-thumping taskmaster. Serra compared Hughes to a chipmunk and even mocked his portrait ‘It looks like you’re peeing, jackass!’ but what must have grated on the ultra-competitive Hughes more was Danzig, Serra’s atheist protege, tearing through the field to take the crown. The Hughes/Serra fight itself was more competitive than Hughes fans might have expected - though some of the credit probably goes to an accidental headbutt in the early going, Serra managed to avoid the former champ’s ferocious ground-and-pound, and even wobbled Hughes. The pair embraced and settled their differences after the fight, but it still seemed like slim payoff after such protracted hostilities.

2. Machida vs Jackson, UFC 123
If there’s a man who the five-rounder favours, it should be Machida, whose patient, counter-heavy style ought to reward the chance to thoroughly analyse an opponent’s distance and timing. Machida’s sole 25-minute effort against Shogun might have underwhelmed, but his tilt against Jackson makes the case perfectly - in the first two rounds, Rampage kept the karate master at bay with clinchwork, dirty boxing and constant pressure, but by the third, Machida had his measure. In the closing minutes of the fight, the Dragon unleashed a flurry of punches that looked like a Street Fighter super combo, and under the informal Pride rules - whoever’s ‘winning’ the fight at the end gets the nod - Machida would have certainly won. Instead, Rampage narrowly took the first two rounds, admitted to being ass-whupped in the third, and scraped a win that everyone would have liked to be more decisive.

1. Liddell vs Silva, UFC 79
In a perfect world, the Ice Man would have met the Axe Murderer at the climax of the 2003 Pride Middleweight tournament, when both men were at the peak of their powers. Instead, Rampage Jackson got in the way and Pride teased Dana White with the prospect of a superfight for years before the UFC’s purchase of the ailing promotion gave White the last laugh.
By the time they met, both men were coming off a pair of losses - Liddell to Jardine and Jackson, Silva to Henderson and Crocop - and arguably past their best. The fight, though tremendously exciting at the time, makes for odd viewing when rewatched - there’s a protracted feeling-out process at the start, before Silva lures Liddell in by sagging against the cage, then lets fly with a brutal flurry of punches. Silva scored two knockdowns - one arguably mostly-slip - but seemed reluctant to follow up, perhaps unsure of how to tackle a grounded opponent without his trademark head-stomps. Liddell, wanting a W on his record, stole two rounds with the first takedowns he’d landed in years and was content to coast at the end of the third, bouncing out of Silva’s range while glancing at the clock. The decision in Liddell’s favour wasn’t hugely contentious, but fourth and fifth rounds might have made Liddell more keen to finish the fight early, while giving both men more chances to score a knockout. Even though it wasn’t the megafight it should have been by the time it finally happened, the sheer history behind this clash of all-time greats meant it should have been treated with the same importance as any title fight.

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All of these fights were between former champs. So at another time, they would have been five-rounders. Something to think about, there.

by CaptainArmbar on Oct 31, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

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Machida’s sole 25-minute effort against Shogun might have underwhelmed,

I think both Machida and Shogun’s performances were amazing in that first fight. I assume you meant because Machida started fading towards the end. But if that fight would have only been 3 rounds we would have been robbed of one of the closest, most highly-skilled, technical fights in the UFC. Which just further proves your point that these elite fighters being matched up need to fight for 25 minutes.

4. Evans vs Jackson, UFC 114
In a fight that’s somehow been rechristened ‘boring’ by revisionist MMA historians

I’m glad you pointed this out. That fight was full of drama, it had everything a fan could want except Rashad getting KO’ed. I think that’s the main reason why people hate on the fight these days. You should have heard the arena after Rashad was declared the winner. Everyone was basically doing this as they were leaving…

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by Zachary Kater on Oct 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I only mean Machida underwhelmed because it wasn’t the dominant performance people expected from him. I thought that fight was tremendously exciting – as Rogan pointed out during the bout, it was genuinely like watching a videogame thanks to the Muay Thai vs Karate stance. And I agree, if they’d only gone three rounds I’d have been pretty sad.

by CaptainArmbar on Oct 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Condit/Kampmann would be a great choice,

but I like most of yours. IMO, BJ was done Saturday night. Would I have liked to see more? Sure, but it was enough as it was.

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I forgot Condit/Kampmann. Kampmann/Sanchez could have gone longer too, as could Sanchez/Parisyan.

There are probably loads of fights pre-UFC 47 (when I started religiously watching events) that would have made the cut, but I just couldn’t think of them.

by CaptainArmbar on Oct 31, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm trying to think of tough split decisions that were great fights

Condit-Kampmann
Condit-Ellenberger
Guida-Sanchez

Or main events that just should have been 5 because there were moments that made you think 2 more rounds could have changed the fight…or just been pretty awesome.

Wanderlei vs Franklin
Maybe Franklin vs Henderson
Evans vs Thiago Silva
Ortiz vs Griffin 2
Vera vs Couture

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by Chris Groves on Oct 31, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I am probably the only guy in the world who thought Wanderlei beat Franklin that night

And Vera vs. Couture shouldn’t go five. Absolutely miserable fight.

I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.

by SSreporters on Oct 31, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wand beat Franklin

IMO

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 1, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

All great examples

When Franklin/Silva finished with them elbowing the shit out of each other, I was punching the sofa in frustration.

Griffin/Ortiz 2 would have been in there if Griffin hadn’t so comprehensively smashed Ortiz up in the third. Still, it’s a great shout.

by CaptainArmbar on Oct 31, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah true

I kinda just jumped on it as a split decision 3 round main event. But yeah, I think Griffin would have done about the same in rounds 4-5 and took a Unanimous decision.

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by Chris Groves on Oct 31, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, Tito had a cracked skull

He might have died if it had been a 5 round fight.

Sorry, someone had to say it.

by Shaun32887 on Oct 31, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah a Wanderlei Silva fight shouldn't end in a 3 round decision.

Unfortunately, most of his fights lately that haven’t went the other way…sigh. But his fights against Liddell, Franklin and Bisping would all have been better for being 5 rounds.

What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?

by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have we already forgotten....

BJ Penn Vs. Jon Fitch????

Fitch will never get the rematch considering BJ’s retirement announcement, but there is a good chance we could have came out with a verdict other than a draw if they had fought for 2 more rounds,

by jmjinks on Oct 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but rounds 4 and 5 would have most likely just continued like round 3, and that would have taken away from how amazing the fight ended up being, with all the drama within it and the outcome being a draw.

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by Zachary Kater on Oct 31, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaleb Starnes vs Nate Quarry

You Come At The King, You Best Not Miss

by Our Bovine Public on Oct 31, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Fuck yeah

we could all Watch Kaleb Run….some more.

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 1, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a 5-rounder I'd like to see

Ben Askren vs Jon Fitch!

"If you say Chael Sonnen I will light you on fire." -- Farthammer.

by IKiIIed007 on Nov 1, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

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