UFC 137 Results: Dana White Announces Georges St. Pierre vs. Nick Diaz
by Matthew Roth on Oct 30, 2011 2:33 AM EDT
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Dana White hinted at the start of the UFC 137 post-fight press conference that he had a big announcement that he was waiting to make once Nick Diaz was able to take his seat on the podium. It was possibly the best fight of Nick's career, working B.J. Penn over with punches to the head and body. Penn ultimately retired.
Dana has made GSP vs Nick Diaz official. It is rumored that St. Pierre begged the UFC President for the fight following Nick's antics after the fight. In the post fight speech Diaz had some choice words for the UFC welterweight champion. The fight is official for the Superbowl Weekend card.
Bloody Elbow will have more in the coming days on what this fight means for the UFC and the welterweight division.
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Terrific Terrific
The key is to hit the guy in the jaw really hard before the other guy does it to you.
by FreeLightningLee on Oct 30, 2011 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Boy, this sounds exciting.
Thanks UFC for no press-conference you bastards!!! Probably would’ve been better than the card, other than the last fight.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:27 AM EDT reply actions
FUCK THE WORLD, I WANTED CONDIT.
KEMvP
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by T.C. Engel on Oct 30, 2011 1:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Condit is awesome
and even though this is the right decision for the sport, it totally sucks that he’s losing his shot.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 30, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
He was gifted a shot
Because he happened to be on a card that Diaz flaked on. I think it sucks that he trained a whole camp for the title only to have it postponed and now cancelled, but it’s not like he is a horrible victim here.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
by Joben on Oct 30, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes,
I can’t be furious, cause Nick proved he deserves a shot, and it’s the fight that just has to be made. However, it does suck for Carlos, particularly if they give him Fitch or Kos in a three round fight. Hopefully he gets to headline something at 5 rounds.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if this is like boxing in any way. Were the promotion would pay a step aside fee of some sort?
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Oct 30, 2011 1:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I heard on twitter that Carlos is getting paid to step aside.
No word on how much.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Against all odds
I am excited for this fight. I hated it the first time around, but man I love it now.
DIAZ BY FIFTH ROUND BODY SHOTS
by crazybones on Oct 30, 2011 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
Haven’t seen a fired up GSP since the Serra rematch. GSP should bring it this time.
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Wow!
Is that a new record?
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
Nick proved he was ready tonight
But he made GSP angry which is hard to do. GSP is basically going to murder him. Conditioning won’t be an issue here – just skill.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
the skill of getting off your back after GSP puts you there?
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my heart was pounding during that fight, diaz opened some eyes tonight, too bad gsp will lay on him for 5 rds
by couchjitsu on Oct 30, 2011 1:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Epic
Conspiracy theorists will say all the changes to the UFC 137 card and now this switcharoo was all part of the plan to hype the fight.
This fight is going to be the biggest fight in a long time. The hype will be unreal. I can’t wait to hear all the trash talking. I want to hear GSP swear and get pissed off. I’m sick of his perfect image. It’s been known for awhile that GSP is vulgar when he speaks in French. There’s a video on Youtube after a fight where GSP swears.
Yeah
No one knew that Diaz would do that to Penn. Not the bosses, media or fans. But I can’t wait for the fight.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
Well
i knew that this was going to happen. And i told many people about it
by Jason Robillard on Oct 30, 2011 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP via absolute destruction.
This fight will be another GSP/Fitch
You're both engaging in magical thinking
it is much more likely to be like GSP-Hardy. GSP can’t outclass Diaz standing for 5 rounds and he won’t even come close to trying. It’s going to be a takedown clinic, and after five rounds Nick is going to lose 50-45, claim victory and probably not have much of a scratch on him.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 30, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
Then Nick obviously doesn’t deserve to be in there. I thought he was better than Hardy. But you are probably right – he sucks and can’t win a round against GSP.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
Nobody can win a round against GSP
You can’t just stop giving him fights because of it. Nick is a great fighter, and will give GSP more trouble than Hardy did from his back, but will still lose.
You’re nuts if you think he’s going to finish Diaz though.
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by Dave Strummer on Oct 30, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand
I never said GSP would finish him. I just said he was going to beat him up worse than he beat Fitch. And he gave Fitch an epic ass beating.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
Leonard Garcia also won 2 rounds against Phan in their first fight..
by savik on Oct 30, 2011 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ridiculous.
GSP dropped Shields on his ass with a high kick in the 4’th round, NO WAY did Jake do anything do even close to that effective in that entire round. He won the 5’th round, but all he landed were a bunch of little girly punches.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he finishes Diaz...
…i’ll go out on a limb and put a sig bet on it.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Done. Till the next numbered event?
You’ll be wearing some Stockton pearls of wisdom come February…
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 30, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough Monte
i’ve never had a sig bet before, glad it’s w/ you sugar ; ) i don’t even know what i’ll have your sig be when you lose, perhaps just general praise for all things clownshoes and french canadian…..
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That seems totally reasonable
/virtual shake
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by Dave Strummer on Oct 30, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
done and done
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I just can't see GSP standing with Nick Diaz for long periods of time
Diaz has shown against the best strikers of the division that he will stand with them, and beat them standing. He’s also taken the punches of the hardest hitters and kept moving forward. GSP has been playing it safe and taking the fight where he is safest, and with Diaz, that would be taking the fight to the ground.
I don’t really get where you are thinking that this will be like GSP vs Fitch. I can see it similar to GSP vs Hardy or Alves, but I have a hard time imagining that GSP would beat Diaz up on the feet or even want to try. I can see a lot of ground n pound though that could make Diaz’s face into hamburger, but not on the feet.
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I think the problem is that Diaz fights dangerously.
He puts himself in bad spots to win the fights, which GSP doesn’t do.
GSP mad?
GSP is going to flat out murder him then.
by murder you mean lay on top of him for 25 mins?
by couchjitsu on Oct 30, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Gsp will knock him out ...yay Canada
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by Thats It For you! on Oct 30, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Good fucking lord
Are there still clowns floating around that think GSP LnP’s anyone? I thought you all went to mania or sherdog. People like you were predicting the same against Koscheck, and then BAM
Penn was owning Diaz in the standup in round 1. GSP will do the same, except he’ll be 10x harder to hit, won’t get cornered in round 2, and won’t gas. Diaz doesn’t have the striking defense or speed to hang with GSP.
GSP will fight like he did against Alves, but damage-wise it will be like GSP-Fitch. It’ll be glorious.
by paythefighters on Oct 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He's mad now
BY februrary he will be all: “This is the toughest fight of my career but I believe I am the all around better fighter and I will try to finish Nick Diaz”
"A belt only covers two inches of your ****and the rest you need to back up on your own." Royce Gracie (allegedly...I just read it somewhere and thought it was cool for my sig!)
I do so look forward....
To all the Diaz fans crying after his upcoming loss to GSP.
by R.J MacReady on Oct 30, 2011 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dumb
The only way Safe Pierre will “murder” anyone is by smothering them AND “total destruction” like the Jon Fitch fight, eh? First time in history that anything that has been totally destroyed is still standing. Think before you submit the post. There is a preview button for fuck’s sake
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by halitosis on Oct 30, 2011 1:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
destruction is never just physical
Fitch was beat up but not destroyed physically. now mentally, Fitch was destroyed mentally. watch his face after each round. Fitch looked so distraught and defeated and, well, destroyed.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP absolutely destroyed Fitch. Worse than anyone else ever has, by a huge margin. Fitch’s face at the post-fight presser, for Christ’s sake. C’mon son
.
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Right, but his destruction was a function of his fighting style
Fitch is good on the ground, so GSP kept him standing, same with Kos. Hardy was good (reportedly) on his feet, so GSP took him down and rode him for five rounds. GSP fight against his opponents strengths. He’s not going to stand with a guy who’s last two fights include brutal standing beatings of two of the best strikers in MMA. It’s just not going to happen. Diaz is dangerous, and GSP will look to neutralize that danger. Watch the Alves or Hardy fights if you want to see how it will go.
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by Dave Strummer on Oct 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s not going to stand with a guy who’s last two fights include brutal standing beatings
You’re not remembering GSP-Alves very well. That was 50% standup, and GSP dropped him with punches for the first time ever. This is despite Alves KO’ing/TKO’ing 5 of his last 6 opponents.
Same with the Koscheck fight: For all the claims of GSP fighting safe, the ONLY place that Koscheck could have won was on the feet. He’s not going to sub anyone from his back. The safest route would have been to take Koscheck down, which GSP showed he was fully capable of doing. Instead, he chose to stand because he was confident in his striking defense.
He’ll do the same here, especially since Diaz doesn’t have the one-punch KO power of Kos or Alves but is dangerous off his back.
Forget GSP-Hardy. He knows that he underperformed, and it was the only fight in GSP’s entire career where he didn’t do damage. It’s an outlier, and certainly won’t happen against Diaz.
Roughtly 50% standup, and the rest will still have lots of damage. Bank on it.
by paythefighters on Oct 30, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No way was that fight 50% standup, unless my memory is out of sync (been a while, admittedly)
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More like 40% stand up, but his point remains valid.
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by Sugel Mendoza on Oct 30, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitch and Kos good on the ground, I assume you mean wrestling, not off their backs.
You are right, GSP has been fighting guys who have one aspect they do well.
Fitch can wrestle, Kos can wrestle and has some power, Hardy has striking but no ground, Shields had ground but no striking, Alves could strike but no ground. BJ has good striking and has good bjj but he doesnt sub guys from his back and he is a LW and doesnt have cardio.
Diaz is truly a big test cause he has great striking and off his back he is dangerous. He can beat GSP in two places. he will be taken down but he is dangerous off his back and dangerous standing, has cardio for days and I dont know if GSP can break him, break his will.
The guys GSP has been fighting recently werent dangerous in two places, they were dangerous in one aspect, Diaz is dangerous off his back, standing and can go 5 rounds easy.
This is a fight that is truly gonna test GSP, cant wait for superbowl weekend.
Kind of how Nick didn't "destroy" B.J., right?
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by Sugel Mendoza on Oct 30, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
welterweight fights will be interesting….gsp/diaz superbowl weekend….you got hendricks/fitch at ufc 141… i say have condit fight koscheck
But...
IF Kos wins, and St. Pierre wins (both likely) then where is your next title fight? I like that fight too, but Koscheck is in a weird place after two bad performances against Georges
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Well Kos isn't getting a shot for awhile
and he knows it. But if Condit can’t beat a Kos level fighter he shouldn’t get a shot either.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
Make it five rounds, and I'll pick Carlos in that fight.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I would probably take Condit even in a 3 rounder
Condit is legit (I know you are aware of this) and can’t wait to see who thay match him up with. It would be a hard fight to call though. People hate Kos but he is a tough motherfucker and great fighter.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
Yeah,
Eliot Metheny made the point the other day that Carlos should’ve taken the Kos fight at 137, and I think this just proves it out. Without a camp for Koscheck to prepare, Carlos would’ve taken that one IMO, and re-staked his claim regardless of what Nick did to BJ. Anyway, at 3 rounds I worry that Josh will lose on the feet, but steal 2 rounds with takedowns and ground and pound. I’d rather see Ellenburger or AJ against Carlos next.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t they say Condit would wait? As in “doing a Rashad”?
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No he's taking another fight on the same card as GSP/Diaz.
No word about an opponent yet.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
if Carlos takes a fight before the GSP/Diaz fight he's nuts.
the man, i’m fairly sure has been compensated for stepping aside. he needs to wait for the fight between GSP and Diaz. after the fight he needs to wait and see what injuries occur and if the turnaround for his fight will be quick. if the champ gets hurt, then and only then should Carlos take the fight.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Just get Diaz / GSP over with
That will be a takedown-clinic, IMO. The Diaz fights after that are far more interesting, IMO.
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This could have such a huge range of possibilities
GSP angry is a different kind of being, but Im not sure what that could translate to. Beat down or boring, it will still be fantastic to watch Diaz fans disappointed.
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by halitosis on Oct 30, 2011 1:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
2nd round of the Serra fight.
And I agree with you about Diaz fans. The hype Diaz is getting right now over there at BE radio is ridiculous. Seeing him get layed on for 25 minutes is going to make my evening.
by Tairy Hesticles on Oct 30, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
the ufc has a fight made of gold coming up on super bowl weekend.
imagine the weigh ins. the press conferences. can gsp fight a fight against someone with that much intensity? its going to be great. condit must have got paid a nice amount to step down and take another fight. Hes still in a good position for a title shot.
he's getting paid to step down and wait.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no safe spot GSP can be in
Diaz Submission round 3. It’s not going to be close either.
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by Disco-Platypus on Oct 30, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
We just ran out of unicorn piss and pcp
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by halitosis on Oct 30, 2011 2:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
It's called reality son
GSP can’t stand with him and if he takes him down at will (which he probably will) doesn’t mean he is safe. Besides Shields and Penn can you name someone who is as dangerous on the ground as Diaz is? Diaz isn’t Dan Hardy, Fitch, or jake Sheilds. he is a different type of human
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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Oct 30, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
So.
Your point is that Diaz is at least as good on the ground as two guys that GSP beat? Penn was working Diaz in standup before he ran out of gas, GSP wont run out of gas, and he is a legit 170 , and not a blown up 155.
I'm saying
GSP hasn’t faced someone like DIaz ever. Shields is “eh”, Dan Hardy sucks and Koscheck couldn’t take him down. GSP’s last real fight was in 09 against Alves. Nick is a killer and GSP hasn’t faced someone like him in years. Everyone says GSP will win but they always say he will just lay on him for five rounds. Thats kind of embarrising if everyone says, “oh ya he is gonna kill diaz by wrestling him for 5 rounds.” Thats his only method of victory. Diaz can KO him, submit him, or even win a decision.
ahh Skeletor I shaved my legs for you tonight,
and if you see my cock I hope you go in fright.
ahh Skeletor you made me do some coke,
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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Oct 30, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Wishful thinking
BJ landet good in the first round and Diaz didn’t have to worry much about takedowns. With George he will look totally different, like all his opponents, because he has to constantly worry about the TD. Plus GSP won’t gas, plus the old “he can submit him from his back” has worked how many times in a championship-fight post Gracie-era?
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GSP doesn’t like getting hit. Shields threw a jab and GSP complained about it for the rest of the fight. His face was busted up after the fight with Shields fight and Diaz is a lot better than Jake.
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ahh Skeletor you made me do some coke,
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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Oct 30, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Jake stuck a finger in his eye, and his vision was blurry the whole rest of the fight.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP can't stand with him?
A fresh BJ picked him apart in the first round.
GSP will murder him standing, and won’t gas out. The jab will bust up his face, leg kicks will go undefended, and takedowns/GNP will fuck Diaz up even more. It’s going to shock you all.
by paythefighters on Oct 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP is not going to murder anyone standing.
Sheilds hit him a bunch of times. If you think Diaz doesn’t know how to defend a simple jab then you’re crazy. He has way better boxing the GSP and GSP will do everything in his power to not be standing for more than 10 seconds in this fight. He is scared to stand with Diaz.
ahh Skeletor I shaved my legs for you tonight,
and if you see my cock I hope you go in fright.
ahh Skeletor you made me do some coke,
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by NEW-HAMPSHIRE on Oct 30, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields and Penn did exactly zero on the ground. So?
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
the last time he was pissed about a fighter, the guy looked like this at the end of the night
so yes, GSP + mad = other guy gets fucked up
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 30, 2011 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Jab spam is a bitch.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 30, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
well, more like "mildly annoyed"
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by justsomehawkeyefan on Oct 30, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Give the guy some props, though. He's getting there.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 30, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
But he kinda did that with Penn tonight, though. Penn alsmot didn't miss. His iron chin and crazy cardio saved his ass, but I'm not sure what that will amount to against GSP.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 30, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz has stood there with slow movement his entire career
It’s not going to be any different against GSP. Jabs and leg kicks are going to destroy Diaz, especially after he takes some GNP damage and worries more about the takedown.
by paythefighters on Oct 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm
GSP has almost no stand up skills, he will try and take diaz down because hes scared to being Tko again
by Jason Robillard on Oct 30, 2011 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I usually pride myself on my politeness
However,
GSP has almost no stand up skills
is the stupidest god damned thing I have ever read.
My name isn't Todd.
by Tedd Welch on Oct 30, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
It's definitely in my Top 5
The Orioles signing Garrett Atkins last year and saying he would solve their problem at 1B comes ahead of it, though. That and Giants fans who wrote they had a chance against the Ravens in Super Bowl XXXV.
But this is up there, no doubt.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP has almost no stand up skills
One of the dumbest things ever written on the whole damn internets.
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gsp broke kos eye in the first rd.
if nick diaz did that to kos he wouldnt have gotten out of the 4th rd. really think about how bad kos face would have been if it was diaz behind the punches?
Did you see that in yer Crystal Ball?
It’s a wonder you can type with Diaz’s balls in yer mouth like that.
by fork'nspoon on Oct 30, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick would have been taken down
And in the unlikely chance that it stayed standing, Kos would have backpedalled to a decision loss just like he did against Alves and GSP.
Koscheck is an athletic guy. Unless you dupe him like Thiago did, he’s not getting finished.
by paythefighters on Oct 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Waarrrr Diazzz!!
Sux for condit havn 2 step aside though. Condit in reality hasn’t really beaten a top tier ww. Should be matched against kos or fitch to see if he’s ready 4 gsp.But really looking 4ward for gsp vs diaz!
by Hankverdee on Oct 30, 2011 1:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
before Penn either had Diaz.
he has now and he deserves the fight. i just hope he mans up outside of the cage and fulfils his obligations and if he doesn’t i hope Dana turns it into a circus and uses it to get GSP even more pissed.
the reality is Diaz is a legit stand up threat w/ god awful stand up D. GSP throws a crisp jab, that while not as powerful as BJ’s can be easily as effective against Diazs’ porous D. cardio won’t be an issue for either fighter, but mental strength will be. for Diaz it will be everything up to the fight, for GSP it will start in the cage if he get flustered.
no matter what the outcome, the series of events that led up to this point, an angry GSP and a crazy Nick Diaz is fucking gold. for us and for the UFC.
i normally can roll w/ the punches when it comes to card changes and injuries, but if anything happens to stop this fight i might kill a man.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Business as Usual:
If my teammates are floating around in here, damn good job tonight boys. Everyone made picks. We are the Frankie Edgar of this Civil War.
As for GSP/Diaz, Malki Kawa is claiming that Condit didn’t just “step aside”, GSP demanded to fight Diaz. Hot damn.
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Makes me excited:
“(St-Pierre) said, and I quote, ’He’s the most disrespectful human being I’ve ever met, and I’m going to put the worst beating you’ve ever seen on him in the UFC,’” White said.
by Disco-Platypus on Oct 30, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
If your team did well it was a crazy night
Frankie Edgar? You guys are slowing approaching Leonard Garcia territory. Don’t award yourself anything this early or you’ll whole team will end up on the same “almost was” list like Vera.
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We didn’t do bad. I haven’t bothered checking out other team’s scores because I’m (trying) getting some done. I’m not going to flaunt it or get a big head, it’s my fault we got put at such a massive disadvantage early on…we’ve had crazy luck though. I’m just happy we’re actually competitive and not tailing so far behind that we might as well not bother.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 30, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I scored 28 tonight
We might have to count my score a couple times because people missed picks. I’m just projecting anger towards the captain of a successful team. Our captain doesn’t exist anymore.
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Don’t worry, I’ve got my riot gear ready.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 30, 2011 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I got excited when they put the camera on GSP and he did the fake hands shaking thing. Not typical of GSP, so it makes me think hes going to want to light Nick up.
I'm gonna give you three seconds; exactly three-fucking-seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off your face or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skull-fuck you!
Everbody keeps saying diaz is gonna catch this ass whoopin. Penn is better at everything. I saw diaz run a clinic and retire a legend the process. He will do the same to gotta score points. Diaz is good enough on the ground to get back up within a minute and put the whoopinon a water treadin paper champ that is gsp. Penn wasnt tired he was beat up.
Slic, bring down to a 4, and take a breath.
Nick has a great shot against GSP, yes? paper champ? really? come on son, you’re better than that. i like both fighters, but i could do w/ out Nicks crazy and GSPs ultra safe fighting style. to say GSP is a paper champ is just silly talk. he has beaten every other ranked opponent that the UFC has given him…..handily. not excitingly, true, but for real he has decimated opponents bodies and minds. Fitch, Alves, Kos, Penn, Shields, and Hughes. i won’t speak on Hardy or Serra. those first 6 were considered to be on the top of their game and all got their asses handed to them w/ the exception of Shields who didn’t look great but at least won a round. paper champion? nope, not even a little bit.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. GSP sucks and Diaz is the greatest welterweight of all time
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
by halitosis on Oct 30, 2011 2:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Your Diaz hate is making you look dumb.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
He will do the same to gotta score points. Diaz is good enough on the ground to get back up within a minute and put the whoopinon a water treadin paper champ that is gsp. Penn wasnt tired he was beat up.
Please tell me what that means.
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, B.J. is a better technical fighter than Diaz. Diaz just happens to have crazy cardio and a particular fondness to hand out beatdowns. He gradually turns up the pace to a fight till it gets to the point that you just can’t keep up with him.
by discoandherpes on Oct 30, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz is very technical
it’s just a unique style of boxing, but it’s not wild haymakers.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
I love Carlos Condit, but Nick definitely deserves it after tonight. Wrecking Penn > Wrecking Stun Gun. I think Nick will probably get wrestlefucked, but he’ll bring the fight. War 209!
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 2:16 AM EDT reply actions
AWW MAN!
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by dajulzta on Oct 30, 2011 2:17 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
YOU CALLED DOWN THE THUNDER WELL YOU GOT IT!
You tell em that the riddim is comin! You tell em I’m comin! And hell’s comin with me, you hear?! HELLS COMIN WITH ME!!!
Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Oct 30, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nick's your huckleberry.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
Huh?
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Are you kidding me?
You go watch Tombstone right now or you’re never getting your mancard back.
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by Chris Hall on Oct 30, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I get the reference
I just don’t see what I did to call down Wyatt Earp’s thunder :P
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by dajulzta on Oct 30, 2011 3:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He was adding to your "shit just got real" post
As in, Diaz called down the thunder.
Also, thanks for restoring my faith in humanity.
:p - orcus
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No problem, man
And, Krimson, you make a very good point. It sounds like GSP’s pissed-off meter has officially cracked the Silva barrier
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by dajulzta on Oct 30, 2011 3:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When I saw hat power moustache I immediately thought Wyatt Earp and the rest is history.
Also, I was probably about 10 years late when I saw it which was earlier this year for he first time and I have spent he last couple if months quoting Doc Holiday. I think this is my #4 or #5 fve movie of all time.
Me > Ben Henderson
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by Krimson on Oct 30, 2011 8:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There's never an inappropriate time to quote Doc
Never.
:p - orcus
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You come at the king, you best not miss.
/sorry to switch memes….
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by duck on Oct 30, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nah. Both are too low and I think Stun Gun would give them both a run for their money. Why put Condit against those two when his last opponent could beat them? I say Koscheck.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Ellenberger is certainly most justified than Rumble, but I just don’t like a rematch I guess. I think Kos-Condit is the fight to make. Then again, it could eliminate a totally viable contender with someone who doesn’t deserve a shot at GSP again. Ellenberger might be the logical choice.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
no one!!!!
why would Condit take a fight right now. he got paid to move aside. he needs to watch the GSP/Diaz fight and then decide, based off of injuries, length of time needed for next fight etc. Uncle Dana has stated that Condit will get the next fight after GSP/Diaz. while that doesn’t hold water most of the time, it’s still worth Condits time to wait and see.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i know
plus i just read that Dana wants him to fight on the same card……insurance?
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 30, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe,
but Dana said Carlos wants another fight. Sitting out until late May isn’t a great idea either.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF?
Rumble dominated Hardy, and in KO’ing Brenneman, from MMAth you have the perception Rumble > Brenneman > Story > Alves. He’s definitely on the brink of contendership, and you can bet your ass that he would be a huge favorite against DHK.
Also, Condit doesn’t need a high level opponent, as he was already given a title shot. It doesn’t matter matter who he beats. The basis that the UFC has to cover is if Condit loses. Who is next for GSP? Well, if Ellenberger or Rumble decisively beat Condit, I say they’re pretty worthy.
The only more worthy contender is, as always, Jon Fitch.
I say the UFC should do Rumble-Condit and Fitch-Ellenberger, and then choose the next contender from that.
by paythefighters on Oct 30, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no problem with this fight
but i wonder how many people that are cool with diaz getting a title fight after one UFC win have a problem with sonnen getting a title fight after one win.
The Sonnen haters are on another level
I could make some small agruments between comparing the two situations but I won’t. They will come in time if they smell your comment.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
C’mon, dude. You still on that Sonnen wagon. Diaz is on an 11 fight win streak and just beat a legend of the sport. Sonnen likely will get his title shot next but that’s just a money thing, he lost to the champ and he lost cheating. I hope they do it in Brazil. Sonnen will have to have someone tasting his food.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 30, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I told you - they can smell Sonnen comments
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
Yeah, they smell like highly elevated testosterone levels.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 30, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought they smell like felons, you can smell both.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
and guys who protest their own taps.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Memitim nailed it, 11 fight win streak capped by a win over BJ Penn 1 fight win streak over Brian Stann
11 fight win streak capped by a win over BJ Penn is not the same as a 1 fight win streak over Brian Stann.
LeBron James - 0 Charles Barkley - 0 Karl Malone/John Stockton - 0 Sun Yue -1
And I failed with the subject line
but whatever, the point still stands. And I failed with my civil war picks
LeBron James - 0 Charles Barkley - 0 Karl Malone/John Stockton - 0 Sun Yue -1
Sonnen already got a title fight, and got stopped.
So those situations are completely different. Besides, Anderson is going to fight Chael, he’s just going to do it his way, rather than letting some loudmouth he already beat dictate the terms while talking mad shit.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And he just starched Penn, so I believe he earned it.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, just want to threadjack this a little. Bellator’s card tonight was better than the UFC’s.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 2:25 AM EDT reply actions
I definitely think so. Of course the comparison in the caliber of events is not in question. I think Askren-Hieron was almost as good as Penn-Diaz, while the HW semis delivered some good action. That is a lot better than the main card of 137 did.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the quick HW finishes are clouding your mind
I do think this was a lackluster UFC event overall but you really can’t compare the main events. I mean Diaz/Penn was a PPV level fight and Askren/Hieron was well – MTV 2 level.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
I thought the Askren/Hieron battle was extremely close and was a technical fight. Kept me on the edge of my seat. I do think Penn/Diaz was better as a main, but Bellator definitely provided more excitement in my eyes.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah probably
I was still on a Diaz high while I fast forwarded through the Bellator fights. I should rewatch them tomorrow.
"You're... you're crazy man. I like you, but you're crazy."
I think Hieron/Askren was a good fight, but I’m a bit salty because I thought Hieron won.
Diaz/Penn was just crazy insane awesome.
by discoandherpes on Oct 30, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I had Askren. Hieron had more volume in his striking in round one, but it seemed like Askren was able to switch between landing a few strikes and pushing his pace. I definitely wouldn’t have called it a robbery if Hieron won, but the fight was spectacular technically. BJ/Nick was a notch above though.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Ben Askren still can't strike to save his life
Those loopy hooks are gonna get him starched one day. Wow, does he live his face open for jabs…
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
That it does. I was still impressed by the guy, but as a fan, I hope he never fights a guy like Diaz or Daley. He’ll be on queer street.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm an Askren fan
But Diaz or Daley would beat him so badly a cop would be waiting outside the cage.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Hieron was landing more (especially in the last round) and he was landing harder. Outside of the fourth, Askren didn’t do much with the takedowns he got.
But they were fighting in Askren’s home town, and Bellator always has awful judging, so whatever.
by discoandherpes on Oct 30, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Now this fight is gonna get some epic advertising
I can’t wait for Diaz interviews in a Primetime. This is gonna get a little wild.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Love that this will be one of the first PPV's and the first really big PPV under the FOX contract
:p - orcus
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Way to step up GSP
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Yes, that's getting lost in this.
Georges doesn’t do shit like this. He must be REALLY fucking pissed off. Nick is going to catch the hell he wrought for himself tonight.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the last time GSP was truly pissed at an opponent
BJ Penn didn’t show for the 5th round..
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Yeah, I think Georges really needs Nick at this point.
I know he works hard, but it’s been a long time since I think GSP really felt threatened and angry at an opponent. Sure he does his best to convince himself that each is the most dangerous opponent, but he’s been coolly dominating everyone for so long that his career seems a bit flat-lined. I expect this to be the fight that renews him.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really happy that Nick got this fight and it is well deserved after tonight's performance
I just don’t whether to be excited or not though, seeing as we all know GSP is going to lay on him for 25 mins.
Rec'd
Because I wish I came up with that.
He didn't either...
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
Know we have the GSP nut huggers
Why can’t mma fans be educated and stop taking sides for their fighter.I hear people say GSP is going to destroy nick.Um ok.Just like he’s been destroying every one else.Kaplink! Cmon man.He isn’t going to stand up with nick.That would be a mistake.He may use his athletic ability and stay away and at time take him down and hug out a decision.You just seen nick put hands on a guy who doesn’t let anyone put hands on him and beat him down.People stop hating and grow up.Lean how to really see a fight.Not my daddy can beat your daddy up cos my mommy loves me.Jeez.
If we are going to be educated lets not pretend like Nick has amazing defence and that he isn’t prone to running into jabs all night long. While I don’t think GSP will destroy him on the feet, he still poses him some problems other than getting taken down.
Reply to vicesquad26
Yes nick is prone to jabs and i think GSP athletism will be the difference in the fight,but if GSP trys to war with nick,that would be a bad idea.
Please learn how to use the English language.
He dominated Fitch, finished BJ, shut down Thiago Alves with a pulled groin, shut down Dan Hardy, sidelined Koscheck for a year with a jab, shut out Shields with one eye. You used seen and jeez…point made. Keep in mind that Daley face planted Diaz and Noons outstruck him. GSP’s standup is far superior to Diaz’s.
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP’s standup is far superior to Diaz’s.
Fuck no.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
GSP is probably a more technical striker than Diaz, but GSP would get fucked up big time if he decided to stand with him for long periods of time.
by discoandherpes on Oct 30, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
If it was a straight boxing match then I would still take
GSP. Let alone an MMA match in which GSP is quicker, stronger and more technical.
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck no.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
by RolloTomasi on Oct 30, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GSP doesn’t have amazing standup. Yes, it is ever improving and it is very good. The key to his success in the standup is his variety of attack into the takedowns. His linking between the takedowns and the strikes is what validates his standup. I’d have to say the edge goes to Diaz.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP is better in that his punches are straight. Diaz however uses his body better when punching, in that i mean he transfers his weight and plants his feet much more effectively than GSP – which I think comes down to their mentalities. GSP is a safety guy and Diaz throws caution to the wind.
Box the brawler and brawl the boxer. Diaz has found a style that suits him and has made it his own. It isn’t the crisp, technical prowess we see from guys like Penn, but it has proven time and time again to do the trick.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Noons outstruck Diaz? Well, I kind of recall that fight being played out on the feet for the most part. Wouldn’t that mean Diaz would win?
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you not see the first fight?
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I would argue that Diaz has honed his craft by leaps and bounds since then.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
like 3 years ago
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
He face planted Iess than 3 years ago. I love Diaz for the beautiful violence he brings,but you're
out of your mind if you think he beats Georges.
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP does not hit as hard as Paul Daley.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
No 170 pounder does
but he broke Koscheck’s orbital bone with a jab. Dropped Thiago Alves and finished BJ and Hughes. GSP may fight safe at times, but he’s still leagues ahead of Diaz. Do you think GSP is going to throw wild looping punches in the pocket against Nick? Fuck no. He’s going to pick him apart with ease and take him down whenever the fuck he feels like.
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, trust me. I am right behind Rollo on the 209 bandwagon, but I am still not completely sold on Diaz beating GSP yet. I do think GSP will take Diaz down at will, but I think the standup will be a wash. I think GSP will land on Diaz, but I think Diaz will have the more effective striking. The grappling will be spectacular.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you from Morgantown?
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah. Just a big fan. Kind of passed down on by my grandfather to me. Most of my family is from the state.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Ohh I see.
I’m from Huntington, but the majority of my family is from the Morgantown/Clarksburg area. Love to party up there and root for them over Marshall, but I’m a Michigan fan at heart.
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Marshall as well. Just because I kind of got into the sport before the rivalry. It was pretty much known that they wouldn’t play each other when I was a kid. My allegiance definitely falls for WVU if they play Marshall, but I always try to watch Marshall when they have a game ready to view.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
No I'm not
and yes he will.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
It was 2007 so you can't do math.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
I usually love your comments but
pretty sure Daley dropped him face first. Also, my moath is really baaaaad in general.
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I see what you're saying.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
I'm excited regardless.
I became a huge BJ fan after reading his book and became somewhat of a GSP fan after doing his RushFit dvds, but I definitely think that Nick has a few avenues to victory.
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by NaciremaDream on Oct 30, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
1.25 million PPV?
And: A national holiday in Canada the following day, since the whole country will have a hangover and won’t show up for work anyway.
.....
He mummled a bunch of incoherent irate shit, didn't make much eye conact with anyone, and somehow seemed pissed that he'd just won
I didn’t see it, but I’m positive that’s what happened.
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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Oct 30, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick by Fifth Round TKO
He will work GSP standing up and when GSP tries to take him down, Nick will out grapple him. GSP will be too worn down in the championship rounds to even try a takedown.
When you said Nick will outgrapple him
Your argument already became invalid, try again please.
by Tairy Hesticles on Oct 30, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nick couldn't out grapply Penn
How do you think he’s going to outgrapple GSP?
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by Chris Hall on Oct 30, 2011 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
duh!
same way overeem outgrappled werdum
by vicesquad26 on Oct 30, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nick stuffed a lot of takedowns tonight, and when he was taken down reversed rather quickly. BJ did take his back, but Nick was able to get up. I know GSP is a better wrestler than BJ, but he is not the BJJ expert that BJ is, either. It looked like Nick has been working on his wrestling. Hopefully that continues. Nick will outlast him into the later rounds.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 30, 2011 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Only time will tell
I don’t see Diaz getting Fitch’d, because I think he’s too active on the ground and create the scrambles to get up. But Penn’s shot was nothing like a GSP power double. Diaz does have incredible cardio, but I can’t remember ever seeing GSP gassed either. I also don’t see GSP standing right on the end of Diaz’s reach either.
I’m a huge Penn fan, but I know Diaz was a very tough match up for him. GSP on the other hand, I just don’t see any advantage Diaz has in that fight.
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He stuffed one takedown.
Georges will take him down again and again, anytime Nick starts to put combos together. Not saying Nick won’t win, but let’s not lose our heads here. BJ is not a great wrestler. Even against Fitch I think Jon was as much shocked as anything that Penn was dead set on making it a grappling match.
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by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
B.J. Penn is a great wrestler. Guy has amazing takedown defense and pretty good offensive wrestling.
by discoandherpes on Oct 30, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say he's a pretty good wrestler, but I didn't mean to cut him down or anything.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Diaz outgrapple GSP. That’s good. GSP isn’t BJ or any of Diaz’ Strikeforce opponents. He won’t tire out, and he won’t get caught in the wheelhouse. Come superbowl time, Diaz is getting a brutal reality check
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by sitnam90 on Oct 30, 2011 6:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok people
The last thing i want to say is everyone said Penn was going to woop Nick and he proved everyone wrong again.No matter what Nick does in his career,he will never be respected.He just beat a legend.Give the guy props tonight and leave it at that.Save it for another day.Goodnight.
Who isn't giving him props? Diaz did a fantastic job tonight.
Still doesn’t change why people won’t like him. Even if he becomes the champion, people won’t like him.
by Tairy Hesticles on Oct 30, 2011 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been a Diaz hater for a long damn time (both brothers, I'm not prejudice)
So obviously I was rooting for and thought Penn was going to take it. And throughout the 1st it looked like I was right. Penn was faster, landing hard straight combos and outgrappled Diaz like I’ve never seen. Then things took a turn and Penn slowed down and seemingly forget what to do. Diaz looked good doing what he does. He stood at the end of his reach and battered Penn. PUnishing him in a way no one’s ever seen. Prop’s to him, but I’ll be rooting for GSP in February.
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by Chris Hall on Oct 30, 2011 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I keep thinking BJ's mistake was in backing off.
When Nick started to open up on him in the second, he should have been pushing inside. He might’ve broken Nick’s rhythm and even gotten him down again. If he’d been able to tie Nick up a bit he might’ve taken the second round, and won even though the third was never going to go his way. Instead BJ eat some punches and started backing off, which you absolutely cannot do against Diaz. He hunts a fighter moving backward as well as anyone I can think of, and once he had BJ pinned to the fence he just worked him over and stole what was left of Penn’s cardio.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't mean to suggest that BJ would've won then,
just that, like everyone else recently, he eventually got forced to play Nick’s way, and got mauled in the process.
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have no idea what happened to him
But once he started sitting with his back to the cage, right on the end of Diaz’s range he lost the fight. That was honestly the most emotionally involved I’ve ever been watching a fight. And it hurt to see Penn lose like that.
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I totally understand what youre saying man.I just dont understand why people dont take our arguement that Diaz is a beast seriously.I am so serious that i almost want to put a space between my sentences.Almost!
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 30, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Almost.
:p - orcus
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Diaz vs GSP
should be an entertaining fight, but I would not want to be the man stepping into the octagon against a pissed-off, highly motivated GSP. I think that Georges is agile and technical enough standing up to handle Diaz’s striking for the most part and, skilled as Nick is on the ground, I don’t see him stopping GSP’s takedowns for long or posing much of a submission threat. I think Diaz could definitely pull out a W, but my money is (as always) on St. Pierre.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 30, 2011 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Fact.
:p - orcus
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Not looking forward to this fight.
Somebody is about to get wrestle f***ed….. . Although I know he’s a technical fighter and an all time great, he’s the most boring champion in any weight division.
Since GSP has had this new " safe " style I havr rooted for him only once
This will be the second. I hope he punishes his for 5 straight rounds
by fightersvizion on Oct 30, 2011 7:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This really is the best outcome
I think Condit really needed that ‘one more win’ to really deserve being the #1 contender…him getting the title shot was circumstantial.
Diaz has more then earned it, and only lost it by being dumb.
Diaz will never give up, and I’m willing to bet somewhere over the course of five rounds, he gets the momentum as he always does and when Diaz gets the momentum, it’s damn near a death sentence.
GSP being truly mad for the first time in his life might cost him…plus not fighting in 10 months, and not looking particularly amazing in his last fight…a lot of stuff could impact this fight in the favor of Diaz.
Plus, if Diaz and Condit both win on that card…we will be promised the most exciting title fight in WW history, and possibly in UFC history.
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I fucking sad about BJ.
But this is fucking awesome.
Fuck him up Nick!!!!
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by Sebastiaan Tauran on Oct 30, 2011 8:22 AM EDT reply actions
So gsp giving diaz a unbelievable beating is ridiculous. He won’t stand with diaz, Nick has far better boxing and I believe mentally tougher. Koschecks face was fine,it was just his eye after been jabbed a million times. How many hooks did he get hit with?! Uppercuts?! Combinations?! That’s right, not a whole lot. I rate gsp as an incredible athlete and diaz as an incredible fighter. Gsp hasn’t finished a fight in a couple years. He couldnt get hardy out of there and Carlos conduit ko’s him in one. Because gsp doesn’t take chances. Jab, leg kicks, odd head kick, takedowns. That’s gsp right there. Not my thing, but hey each to their own.
by frandub on Oct 30, 2011 8:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This thread had 209 comments when I woke up...
I didn’t want to be the guy to put it over to 210 :)
Anyway—when was the last time you saw Diaz fight anybody with decent takedowns, let alone some of the best in MMA? Doesn’t matter whether you like GSP’s style or not, he’s going to style all over Diaz for 25 min.
I like Diaz as much as the next guy, but he just can’t stuff a good takedown to save his life.
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Amazing. Simply amazing.
Diaz’s performance against Penn was nothing short of a revelation. I have been downgrading Nick’s recent successes based on the quality of opponents he faced in SF. But he looked stunning in the cage and Penn, heart of a warrior and all, looked lost and afraid. He looked small (well, he WAS smaller!)
This is the most credible threat to GSP’s belt since he won it back from Serra. As a “Rush” fan, I am terrified. As I fight fan, I cannot wait!
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GSP
For everyone saying GSP is going to destroy Nick
Nick did something last night that no one had ever seen done. He literally beat the shit out BJ on the feet, and actually got out from BJ having his back. Even in the GSP fights, GSP could never outclass BJ on the feet….but Diaz did. What makes you think that GSP is going to destroy him? Nick puts serious pressure on, something GSP hasn’t seen in a while, and he won’t let him lie on top of him for 5 rounds because he has SUPER aggressive Jits.
I think this fight is a toss up, and stylistically, it couldn’t be a worse fight for GSP. Compare it to Kos all you want, but its much easier to beat a guy whose strength is wrestling and all he has is an overhand right. Shields showed that you can hurt GSP standing (eye pokes or not) and he is in the same camp as Nick, so you know he’ll has some inside tips. I really think Nick has a very real shot.
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"figuratively"
He literally beat the shit out BJ on the feet
No feces was left inside the octagon.
But, agreed that it will be a real fight and not a one-sided beat down.
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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Oct 30, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
can you prove that BJ didn't shit his pants?
No, you can’t.
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Can you prove that he literally shit his pants?
No, you can’t.
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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Oct 30, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I can, Milhouse....maybe I can.
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Fucking yes!!
Awesome news, I had been wanting for this to happen if Diaz beat Penn convincingly. And boy did he ever! I honestly don’t even care about this sucking for Condit, because Diaz vs GSP is the fight I’ve been wanting all along. Great, great news.
by Horselover Fat on Oct 30, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
I wonder what the UFC's Diaz strategy/policy will be this time around
If I were Zuffa, I’d have two guys assigned to be Diaz’s handlers and make sure he is where he is supposed to be at all times.
And one of them would have a tazer.
by bevedog on Oct 30, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I get the feeling GSP is going to brutalize Nick's legs.
Rewatch what happened to Nick in the Cyborg fight. Nick doesn’t check kicks all that well and he honestly looked drained after Cyborg chopped him a couple of times. Nick’s cardio is amazing, but getting the shit kicked out of your legs will tire you out pretty quickly.
GSP is in trouble...
If Nick Diaz can put his hands on GSP as often as he did BJ Penn, we will have a new champion. I don’t believe that GSP could take the beating BJ did, so elusiveness and taking this to the ground would be a wise decision if he wants to attempt to carry on his legacy of Decisioning people.
I hope Diaz wins…i also hoped that Carlos would beat GSP if that fight went down…It’s not that i have anything against Georges, I just don’t believe you can be called the best by decisioning most of your fights..
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