Thanks To Mike Fagan
by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2011 10:07 PM EDT
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As many of you know, Mike and Bloody Elbow have parted ways. We'll not get into the reasons, some of them were avoidable, some inevitable, some regrettable, some not.
But I do want to take this moment to acknowledge his many contributions to this site.
He came on board when he pointed out that Brent and I couldn't write a gambling analysis to save our lives. When we challenged him to do better he did. His gambling posts were always some of the best in the biz as were his post-fight analysis, his striking breakdowns and his The Week In Quotes.
Mike will be missed.
Please feel free to share your favorite Fagan moments in the comments.
The FanPosts are solely the subjective opinions of Bloody Elbow readers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Bloody Elbow editors or staff.
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Oh, I don't know.
The time he said arguing with me was like arguing with SmarterChild.
Proposing that all PEDs be legalized and unregulated for in-competition use.
Calling us all homophobes because we wanted Ebersole to kick Hallman’s ass when we saw his outfit.
Every single time someone took offense to TWIQ and Mike made a fart noise in response.
And let’s not forget our attempt at live commentary over UFC events. Now that the two of us have some free time, maybe we can bring those back.
This was nice of you, Nate. Well done.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2011 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Wait.
Why isn’t this on the front page?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
cause it's meta
and will have a longer life in the recommended fanposts.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I never pay attention to who wrote what
but I usually enjoy reading everything on BE, so thanks!
by Tats16 on Oct 27, 2011 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
when the staff were making picks
fagan always had the best reasoning for the first 4 fights. and he always had the absolute worst reasoning/knowledge/respect for the bottom 7-8 fights
...
Please feel free to share your favorite Fagan moments in the comments.
The last two posts on this topic were deleted — are you just setting us up? We post our favorite moments and then when the thread gets going, BOOM! Headshot! ?
"If you say Chael Sonnen I will light you on fire." -- Farthammer.
nope
this is a do over. I should’ve done this on Monday.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
OK then
My favorite Fagan moments were in the two deleted threads when the Drama Quotient was starting to break the meter.
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by IKiIIed007 on Oct 27, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
Just to get my word out here...
I take no position on what has transpired since I don’t have any insight into the details. I have zero value judgements for Mike Fagan, Bloody Elbow, SBNation, or any of the parties involved.
That said, the community acting entitled to information like that is fucking stupid. Nobody but Mike deserves to know what happened. If you give an explanation, cool. If not, it’s not our problem or our right to know. That said, here’s a fun thing to save for the future.
[writer/contributor/editor] is no longer part of Bloody Elbow staff. We will miss [him/her], but wish them the best and hope to see [him/her] flourish in a new setting. Bloody Elbow will continue to provide you with the best MMA coverage and aggregation.
Any commenter or community member who demands more than that is an asshole.
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by pdl on Oct 27, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Many of us spends a lot of time here, and Mike has been a mainstay. It’s obvious that he’s well-liked, and while many of us probably haven’t met him, we still have some concern for his well-being and are fans of his work. I don’t see what’s wrong in knowing what happened with him as it’s not just for the sake of gossip, but for legit concern.
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by chrisbboy82 on Oct 28, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
sure
but you have to understand that as a corporate lackey I can’t open up his personnel file and post it on the site right?
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Don’t get me wrong, I totally get that.
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by chrisbboy82 on Oct 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot "and we wish him all the best in his future endeavors."
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
I realize...
…that there wasn’t really any precedent for what happened, and there was no way to anticipate the reaction. I also realize that going forward, it’s hard to say that any precedent has been set, because in an environment like this where staff and community mingle so freely, it’s not hard to imagine a similar reaction to the banning of an active community member, or rampant speculation in the case of what was actually an amicable parting of ways.
In any case, I think this was the best course of action, and appreciate the desire to give the community what they clearly wanted.
PS – “The Week In Bannings” could be a pretty entertaining feature…
by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 28, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He beat me by 70+ in fantasy football
Yet I still have the best record in the division and he won’t make the playoffs.
Someone’s probably going to trade him Aaron Rodgers…
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by Matt Bishop on Oct 28, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a softie
what can i say.
You can call me a dreamer but I’m not the only one.
1 down 3 to go! 1 down 3 to go!
see if any of you youngsters get a john lennon/tesco vee reference.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I got the first but not the second. The fuck is a Tesco Vee?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
google son
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Who needs Google when you have old people?
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
How many tears were shed Nate?
How many tears?
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by II SMASH II on Oct 27, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Strong men also cry.
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by pdl on Oct 27, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I received this fax this morning.
As you can see, it is a ransom note. Sent by cowards. Men who are unable to achieve on a level field of play.
Men who will not sign their names. Weaklings. Bums.
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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Oct 28, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Big girls don't though
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by dedstrk316 on Oct 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In my experience, big girls cry the most
Real BElitists only rec ironically.
by Charles Awad on Oct 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
In your experience? Maybe you’re to blame, then.
by Shnak on Oct 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
all things being equal ....
Their tears are larger. So that makes sense.
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by the-gentle-way on Oct 28, 2011 5:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tesco Vee
Is no Henry Rollins
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 29, 2011 6:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My favorite Fagan moment was the twitter feud with Ariel
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He knew how to properly use commas, unlike you or Roth. He unbanned me after Roth got mad for calling one of his stupid comments stupid. I wasn’t a fan of his TWIQ section, but he was probably the best writer on the site. I’m curious to see how you guys can keep the content flowing with a man short.
by Irvin87 on Oct 27, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 18 recs
Rec'd for the commas line.
I’ve been trying to teach Nate to properly use apostrophes since the Bush Administration.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And he’s been trying to teach you how to write more than once a month.
Sorry man, I couldn’t resist.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
good grammar
don’t get clicks.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
To be fair.
The main reason I’m here instead of mania is the fact that their comments and sometimes even writers don’t have any grammar or capitalization skills whatsoever.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
Hah.
I’m not sure if you’re being serious or mocking yourself. Either way, bravo.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
im the ee cummings of this place i hate all those dots and dashes
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He got mine, at least.
He was quite obviously the best writer on the blog (although I agree that the quality on BE is generally quite high) and he was the only author on the site whose texts I ever read only because of authorship. When reading BE I scan for interesting content – and Mike Fagan.
Also. While the BE blog is really good, as everyone knows BE radio is done by people who can’t craft an interesting sentence if their life depended on it. At least it was like that a while ago, I have given it up completely now. But, that said, sometimes Fagan would show up on there and suddenly it would beat even most of the Sherdog radio shows.
I hope you had good reasons for sacking him.
So Sorry For ur Loss and ThaT your upSeT
I’ll figure out those pesky commas, sooner, or later.
by Matthew Roth on Oct 27, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubtful.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 28, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
well he was a sarcastic smartass
and he pissed of the wrong people so, ummm… good riddance i say.
by gsot fan on Oct 27, 2011 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
o yea is he still ubber banned? I mean you guys have let this Subo guy back
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this thread is for singing Fagan's praises
not bitching about Kid Nate. The ban hammer is thirsty.
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Serious question
Not trying to spoil the praising mood, but since this is a comment section, is it cool if I comment on why I’m glad he’s no longer writing here?
I didn’t know if it would be bashing/abusing staff. I know he’s not staff anymore, but my disdain for his writing obviously comes from when he was on staff.
by SmackyBear on Oct 27, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this isn't the place
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 27, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's never classy to speak ill of the departed
If you must, it’s best to at least wait until the funeral is over
by Damnatio Memoriae on Oct 28, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as some might argue otherwise Bloody Elbow is not the mortal coil
Obviously, I’ll respect Kid Nate’s wishes.
Normally I wouldn’t care that the author of a fanpost intended for all comments on the subject matter be positive. But I assumed that this being a fanpost was really more of a technicality due to the format, and this is more an announcement from staff for a limited purpose. Hence, my asking.
I like Fagan and Kid Nate. What do I do?!
I will miss Fagans posts here though, he’s a good writer.
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by ProfessorBLove on Oct 27, 2011 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
Woohoo!
Nate Wilcox
@KidNate Nate Wilcox
@Mike_Fagan_13 you’re unbanned.
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"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
Fagan was a huge help when I started as a writer for this site, and has made me a better writer. Besides straightening out how I wrote stuff (Single spaces between sentences! What the fuck kind of headline is that!), he gave me a lot of straight up advice on how to convey things and format them in a logical manner. He also gave it to me straight – if what I wrote sucked, he’d tell me it sucked. I respect honesty, and he’s always been honest with me. And I think he was always honest in his writing, even if it pissed people off occasionally (okay, all the damn time).
He’s one of the few MMA writers that can legitimately make me laugh at some of his one-liners. I’ve routinely said “God damn!” or “Holy shit!” out loud involuntarily in the office while reading TWIQ, and had to explain what the fuck I was laughing at to my boss. I understand why many don’t dig it, but I always enjoy a cynical, satirical look at the world and tend not to take stuff too seriously most of the time. Fagan definitely brought that to the table. In addition to that, we both really making fun of Cabbage. What’s not to like there?
Mikey’s my friend, and I’m gonna miss him around here. Cheers to you for all your hard work buddy, I hope you keep it up, and I’ll do my best to keep Roth’s ego in check in your absence. It’s not gonna be easy though. Orthodoxy rules!
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by Tim Burke on Oct 27, 2011 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 17 recs
Mikey’s my friend, and I’m gonna miss him around here.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Oct 28, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
The sig really brings this all together.
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by Zachary Kater on Oct 28, 2011 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Single spaces between sentences?
That’s fucked up. Double spaces, all the way.
by Subbevil on Oct 28, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Internet standard is single. I was surprised too.
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I had a couple ideas for fanposts that I hoped would serve as auditions… but I legitimitely don’t know if my muscle memory will allow me to only hit that space bar once.
Do what I did, and say fuck the man! I didn’t go through years of schooling where I double spaced only to fight my muscle memory when I write online.
Throw those fanposts up, I got a writing gig with my double spaces between sentences (and numerous other problems)! lol
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 28, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Kids today, I swear
Back in my day, the AP Style Manual DEMANDED double spaces!
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really LIKE making fun of Cabbage
Dammit.
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And then I reply fail. Brilliant.
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I deserved that. And it’s Hamill. HAMILL!
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Cockknocker!
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by pdl on Oct 27, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is not your day, is it Tim?
Also, I bet on your Canucks against St. L last night. Thanks a lot Tim.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
I actually did too with Schneider in net. They are generally slow starters though, they had a shitty October last year too. That was mostly Lui though.
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Yeah, they're definitely still Canada's only hope for a Cup.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
I miss Fagan already.
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by KatGirl on Oct 27, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TWIQ Backlash was always awesome
:p - orcus
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I dont know why Mikes writing pissed so many people off. I’ve enjoyed almost everything I’ve read of his.
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by ProfessorBLove on Oct 27, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
WHY THE HELL HASN'T THIS BEEN POSTED YET
by Shaun32887 on Oct 27, 2011 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
WHY THE HELL HAD I FORGOTTEN ABOUT THIS?!
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
For GSP vs. Penn II.
Old school Elbownians will remember the easter egg in this video.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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I missed it
Joined 4 months after it took place.
It was perfect, because it had just gotten to the point where people weren’t talking about it all the time, but you’d see a reference to it here and there.
And I slowly pieced the references together, thinking “Wait, this guy drank what? No, can’t be…”
Then I found the video.
Ubernoober’s comment is still my favorite thing about it.
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by Tim Burke on Oct 27, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes that dude tried too hard and forced the joke
but he did a great GSP impression. I still wonder where he went sometimes. He said he joined the Canadian army but that’s obviously a fake thing.
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Someone has to stand behind American soldiers and yell “YEAAAAH! YOU SUCK!”
That’s us.
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Give yourself some credit
You guys gave Hitler the finger almost immediately after France and England did.
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by Derek Suboticki on Oct 27, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He still drops by for an occasional GSP bit
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 30, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd never seen this before
And now I can’t unsee it..
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Why woud you want to unsee it?
Granted I gagged while watching it, but looking back it was an overall fun experience.
That's no where near what I expected Fagan to look like.
No deal, McCutcheon. That moon money is mine.
I always thought Fagen would look like the Dos Equis guy.
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by pridedaze09 on Oct 28, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
.
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by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Oct 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
if he aatempts the cinnamon challenge
can he get back in?
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I kicked that challenges ASS
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Oct 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It kicked mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pmgCJrBMdg
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd share my youtube link
but I can’t get there from work. I think if you Youtube “VegasBatman Cinnamon Challenge” you can find it.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Oct 28, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This is when I became a Fagan fan.
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I’ll miss you Mike. I don’t suspect that I commented enough for you to really remember me nearly as well as you did all the rest of these fine (well, some of ’em) folk, but I always appreciated you articles and your matter of fact style. Good luck sir.
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by Rundownloser on Oct 28, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I always enjoyed TWIQ
I like a healthy dose of snark and Mike was good at it. Mike’s Twitter is good, too, and I’m glad I can still follow him there. I’ll miss Mike at BE.
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A Kid Nate post not relating to SB Nation?
I am shock.
But serious now… Too bad Mike is gone. He was a great writer. may he RIP.
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I’m going to miss Mike and the ever inflammatory TWIQ.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 27, 2011 11:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
So.... whos gonna do the follow me on twitter for phone conference updates??
or TWIQ..
RIP Fagen, RIP
by itsnotthatserious on Oct 27, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
This is a bummer
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 28, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I wonder what kind of notice you gave for him to become a more professional writer in terms of him being given the promotion as editor?
I could be an editor, I hate pretty much any kind of writing that goes beyond the subject so that is why I don’t really care if Fagan or Roth gets fired because they seem to be hellbent on incorporating personal opinion into their pieces.
They cannot be objective even if it was a mathematical question.
It's just a world, it's just a life.
by DirtyML on Oct 28, 2011 12:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A straight news site needs to be objective. A fan interactive community site like BE and BE’s writers don’t. This is a site for opinions on the news. You want straight news then go to MMANation.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 28, 2011 12:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When Snowden does an op-ed piece on MMAnation it’s just like in a newspaper, you know what it is and typically is in the “weighing in” section.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It gets me every time when someone says shit like this… we can’t have opinions? We have to just write straight news? 90% of the world is dumb, and you’re one of them.
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by Leland Roling on Oct 28, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
“You are a miserable human being.” – Mike Fagan
by spectaa on Oct 29, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Nick &
Cannon &
Rome &
Nelson &
Mike &
Eugene.
by Anton Tabuena on Oct 28, 2011 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 26 recs
green this shit
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 28, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I did my part
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 28, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I apologized to Nelson on Twitter.
I’m sorry Chris, but the Night Crew can’t assemble when there’s no more Japanese MMA or K-1 tourneys or Four Loko. We tried, man. I’m so sorry. This is for you, Christopher. In memoriam….
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Oct 28, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I have a feeling he was banned cause of that profile pic of his
Since he’s still using it on twitter, I’d imagine its only a matter of time till he’s banned from there as well
ONE FC NEVER DIE
Someone please suggest that Miguel Torres change his Twitter picture to that one then
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 28, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I rarely post unless I have a fitting gif
but I’ve always enjoyed your post-fight analysis pieces, as well as TWIQ.
As I have aspirations of one day following in the footsteps of Deo Wade, here a lulzy, yet completely unrelated gif:
by Trice on Oct 28, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I’m looking forward to Mike contributing to the community around here in the future. He is a valued voice around here, in my opinion.
Even though you might not be part of the front page anymore, Mike, I’m sure I’m not the only one who looks forward to reading what you have to say in the comments section here.
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by Matt Bishop on Oct 28, 2011 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Fagan didn't ask me to write for SackMikeGoldberg.com when he was looking for new writers
However, he made up for it by being one of the guys to push for me to be added to staff on Bloody Elbow. I can’t be more appreciative to be honest. I’m glad that Nate decided to put this post together because I think Mike deserves this. He was appreciated by the community and the staff and the site will definitely miss him.
My favorite Mike Fagan moment was doing BE radio with him and Burke. That was my favorite moment because it was just the three of us joking around after a UFC (I think 133?). I don’t know or care if the listeners enjoyed it but I know that I did and I believe Mike and Burke did as well.
by Matthew Roth on Oct 28, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Wait, you being here is Fagan’s fault? Fuck that guy then.
Seriously though, Roth is right about the radio thing, that was hilarious. Well, it was to us anyway. Everyone else probably thought it was a trainwreck, but we didn’t care. And it was UFC 133.
Roth – “Burke, you don’t know anything about MMA.”
Tim – “B-but Nam Phan is awesome! He deserves a title shot! That’s what you said Roth.”
Fagan – “…Jesus Christ.”
"You are a miserable human being." - Mike Fagan
My twitter: @TB_Money
by Tim Burke on Oct 28, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Fucking A man...
Fagan should be writing for this blog.
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Oct 28, 2011 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 23 recs
You cant demand recs it's poor form.
But I’ll give you one anyways
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 28, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s only poor form if you beg for recs. Demanding them indicates your alpha status.
Sorry to nitpick.
Feel free to rec this if you’d like. I don’t need them, nor do I desire them. I can take them or leave them. They mean nothing to me. (*except when I post photos of cats, in which case you may take them as a cry for recs)
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by Scabby Knuckle on Oct 28, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Mostly I'll miss the Atheism...
…mostly
Matt Janecek
MBA, 2011
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by mjanecek on Oct 28, 2011 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I was wondering if anybody would mention that.
That was one of the first things that stood out to me about him that I thought was awesome, was how open he was about it. He was a real honest dude, from what I could tell.
AKA zakkree. Twitter.
K-1 Level Predictions Team Captain
Conductor and sole passenger on the Fitch bandwagon.
by Zachary Kater on Oct 28, 2011 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
and the man knew his Monty Python
but he’s not dead yet…
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
No holds barred, no time for move fakin,
Gots to get the loot so I can bring home the bacon - Charlie Brown
My favorite Faganism?
Its been my sig, since the day I saw it.
Fagan never die!
When you saw only one set of footprints, it was Herb Dean who carried you -- Mike Fagan
Mike Fagan was a great contributor to the site
Now why did it take a community uprising to make you put this thread up?
Mike Fagan once showed me a video of him making love to my wife, and it was the most beautiful thing I ever saw!
TO MIKE FAGAN!
Signed, Pick'em Champs 2011-2012: Michael Jordanesque in our picking skills.
by mountaineers101 on Oct 28, 2011 2:52 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
TO MIKE FAGAN!
The MMA Garage
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by Discman2 on Oct 28, 2011 3:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I once saw him scissor kick Angela Lansbury!
Signed, Pick'em Champs 2011-2012: Michael Jordanesque in our picking skills.
by mountaineers101 on Oct 28, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought I read somewhere that he impregnated women simply by looking at them. Stud? That’s an understatement (*if true).
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by Scabby Knuckle on Oct 28, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a really nice gesture.
So please don’t go muddying it up with more drama.
Fagan was the first staff member to directly reply to me. That may not seem like much, but I only found this site out of sheer luck. I was looking for the video of Kalib Starnes and Nate Quarry back in 2009 sometime, and found Watch Kalib Run… This led me to BE the day after. But the community was so overwhelming. You’re all so knowledgeable, and there’s so many of you, that I was a bit timid to post comments at first for fear of being bombarded. Having a conversation with him about his article while being a nobody to the site really showed the camaraderie among the community here. I never sat around on forums or blogs before learning of this site, nor had anyone to chat with who had the same amount of passion for MMA as I did. I never became such a dedicated and educated fan of MMA until I became a member here. So in a way Fagan’s just as responsible as anyone for my increased enthusiasm for the sport. Thank you Mike.
AKA zakkree. Twitter.
K-1 Level Predictions Team Captain
Conductor and sole passenger on the Fitch bandwagon.
by Zachary Kater on Oct 28, 2011 4:42 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
LOL
I found BE after seeing somebody on mmajunkie talk about Kid Nate’s anti-zuffa agenda
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
by Chris Hall on Oct 28, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nate it’s not my place to tell you who you want to work with but the way you handled this is both shameful and ridiculous.
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen.
by MarcoDos on Oct 28, 2011 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Nor more Fagan?!?
Jeez, I check this site every day (or I did, anyway). When? Wha? How the hell does the obvious best writer on the site get fired? Damn, this is really sad.
Note to KidNate: You can’t keep taking away our Snowdens and Fagans and replacing them with Roths. You’re going to lose people. You just lost me. Am I important in any way? No. But I gotta believe there are more like me (30-year-old losers who value craft over SEO).
C. Montgomery Hunt: One of the greatest heroes in American history.
by big matt on Oct 28, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I agree with you… moving some of the guys from BE to MMA Nation has been a real killer here on BE… BE is clearly on the way down, and that’s incredibly sad. I’ve been coming here for at least 2 years now, and I’m starting to see the day where it’s not worth coming anymore. And that’s just a horrible feeling. And I’m sorry, but MMA Nation isn’t even on my radar. It’s layout is way too odd and weird, and I can’t find anything on that site. So, when Brent and Leland leave BE, that’s when I’m done here. This whole situation sucks. It absolutely sucks.
In the meantime, thanks to whoever left at BE, you’re doing a great job and I hope you keep it up a while longer.
by Shnak on Oct 28, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I check out SB NATION from work...the comments section is a wasteland of non participation from readers and staff...
…but there a no exploding anchorman heads, or NSFW language or pics, so I won’t get fired for looking.
Never go there, unless from a BE linked story.
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George Carlin
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I choose Snatch!
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The one thing that I've learned from all this
is that Matt Roth sure is a popular guy
Head conductor of the Charles Oliveira hype train.
by Stiff Jab on Oct 28, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Blood Elbow
Y U NO LIKE ROTH!? In all honesty, I love Roth, he puts up a lot of stories and works hard.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
yeah, i agree
i was a bit alarmed by the kim couture post but since then i think he’s fine. he replies to your comments, he’s pretty funny, he’s pretty easy going about the fact that all the commentators here hate him with the passion of a thousand white hot fiery suns. what’s not to like?
While he has some great MMA analysis
He posted some really ridiculous stuff before he went on to be a writer for the site. Actually, I think his stuff has been ok- grammar and punctuation aside. The only piece I thought was a little ridiculous was his 5 fights to watch in October article.
The Kim Couture one didn’t particularly bug me.
by Body Triangle on Oct 28, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That fucking piece. I'll never live that down.
by Matthew Roth on Oct 28, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked it actually
I don’t find you as grating as most people I guess. I think it’s funny. As with any of the writers here, if I start reading a story and I find it to be ridiculous then I stop reading. Big whoop. Not hard to do.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
Seriously why the fuck do I keep getting mentioned
by Matthew Roth on Oct 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
FUCK EVERYONE I'M RULE 4-ING THE COMMUNITY!
by Matthew Roth on Oct 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked you before you just threatened BE community genocide.
Real BElitists only rec ironically.
by Charles Awad on Oct 28, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
the surfing T-rex tattoo? or the skeeball team sponsored by 360 vodka?
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
No holds barred, no time for move fakin,
Gots to get the loot so I can bring home the bacon - Charlie Brown
Both are awesome
and the surfing T-Rex tattoo gives me a halloween costume forever. This year I’m “Hipster with Surfing T-Rex tattoo”…next year I’m “Son of a Disappointed Jewish Mother”. In 20 years? “Guy who regrets having a Surfing T-Rex Tattoo”.
by Matthew Roth on Oct 28, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
they absolutely are
don’t ever change Pony Boy. You think DaVinci regretted the Mona Lisa?
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
No holds barred, no time for move fakin,
Gots to get the loot so I can bring home the bacon - Charlie Brown
I think that regret will kick in well before the 2 decade mark.
As someone whose work includes the cosmetic laser industry, let me thank you now for your business.
"It's all in the reflexes" - Jack Burton
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Oct 28, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that chat log is kinda sad.
I’m wondering, I thought Helwani was okay with Fagan after the ridiculous twitter feud, wasn’t he okay with it in the end? Very strange times. This site will be good for news and interesting for roundtables, but the articles I read the most were Fagan’s.
"No man dies for what he knows to be true. Men die for what they want to be true, for what some terror in their hearts tells them is not true."
As usual Flocks of mma sheep...1 minute the majority are in an uproar and the next it's all bro hugs.
Hry I’m guilty of being swayed one way or another time 2 time BUT this is blatant.
by RECE ROCK on Oct 28, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I've started to compose comments three times
and erased them all because I’m afraid they’ll get me banned, which sucks, since in 6,000+ comments and a gaggle of fan posts, I’ve never even been warned in the past.
My outside take, for what it’s worth, is that the strength of Bloody Elbow is the community. I realize this is a self-serving statement, but the reason I come here is to participate in the best MMA community on the Internet, much more than just to read news, which I can get anywhere.
Because the community is so tight-knit, I think we naturally form much stronger connections to staff members than do the readers of most blogs. So, for whatever we may “deserve”, I think our curiosity and concern about major changes in staff is certainly warranted.
All the disappearing comments and content over the past few days has bummed me out much more than losing Fagan (Sorry Mike). Part of the social compact here — at least in the past — has been that commenters are free to express themselves, as long as they follow the rules. But I’m not sure I know what the rules even are anymore.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 28, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 18 recs
your feedback is appreciated
it’s obviously been a hard situation for all of us. And I’m making up the rules as I go along — as always. Basically don’t piss off Kid Nate is still Rule #4.
The community has every right to be concerned and ask questions but 2 days of “demanding answers” etc is plenty. Time to move on.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 28, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
It must not be the easiest thing in the world to handle internal housekeeping in front of a faithful audience of backseat drivers. I just hope you guys trust us to handle this sort of information with some grace in the future.
I’m ready to get back to pestering Ben Saunders for my t-shirt anyway.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Oct 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't give up so easily!
Occupy Kid Nate!
"If you say Chael Sonnen I will light you on fire." -- Farthammer.
No one's demanded answers.
The fact you deleted my comments that have since been stated multiple times through out this post has kind of bummed me out about this community.
I mean your favourite TV show gets cancelled out of the blue, you’re naturally going to be a little curious as to why.
I’m over it anyway back to lurking.
by originaldude on Oct 28, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think you stumbled upon the correct solution
Had this post gone up mid-week, we’re not having this discussion. You informed BE readers Mike is no longer on staff, thanked him for his work, wished him the best, let people comment about the departed writer. But the emphasis of this site is MMA news, not staff comings and goings.
Since this went up late, you were faced with two (and I’m guessing a lot more than that) fanposts with speculation as to what happened, the vast majority of which was completely conjecture based on no facts. Not sure most of us would have chosen to zap them into a memory hole, but I certainly can understand why you did. This is a MMA news commentary and news site, let’s stay focused on that, especially with two big MMA shows this weekend in UFC and Bellator, not to mention the fact Bellator’s purchase by Viacom has been almost completely ignored in this mess of a week.
Lessons were learned, bro hugs were given, funny gifs were posted and we all moved on. Oh, and Matt Roth got some hate mail, but not from me.
Now I wanna go watch BJ Penn beat the mess out of Diaz.
"Complacency is your demise." - Kerry King
Agreed, and rec’d. What’s bummed me most is how we’ve seen some editors go in the other two posts and basically said that we’re only readers, that we should just shut our mouths, and that we’re not entitled to shit. As you’ve said, the community is the best part about Bloody Elbow, and to have editors come in and basically say that we don’t matter, well that’s just an immense slap in all our faces. And that bums me out. What the heck is happening to to the BE that we all love/loved so much?
by Shnak on Oct 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Exactly this. People may stop by here once to check out the news, but it is the community that keeps them coming back. Without a doubt, it is the community (including the staff) that makes this a special place.
I said as much in one of the posts that got deleted. Brent’s response was that commenters are only a vocal minority. That we are less then 1% of the people who frequent BE, and appeasing us is not important. I don’t believe that. I think we are the 1% that represents the rest of the community. I also think that there are a lot of lurkers who enjoy the community without taking an active part. I know I lurked here for about a year before I ever worked up the nerve to post anything.
Yeah, that comment by Brent was the one I was referring to… he really disappointed me with that comment. Still a big fan of him and his writting, but to hear him say something like makes me think he’s starting to turn his back on us a little bit…. I suppose it was inevitable, nothing this good lasts very long.
You know...
I’m not exactly a prolific commenter, but the only person I’ve really seen come out and say anything resembling what you’ve said is Luke, and if you’ve been around these parts long enough then you wouldn’t really expect anything different from Luke. Luke is a talented guy that comes across sometimes as a borderline arrogant person, but wouldn’t be where he was today if he didn’t feel as strongly as he does about his opinions and if he didn’t stand behind them like he does. Did he come across as an insufferable prick in the comments to those unfamiliar with him? Possibly. Did he fan the flames a bit when it wasn’t needed? Sure. Was he wrong? Not really. However even more important than that, to pretend that his words, or anyone’s words for that matter, still speak/ever spoke for the entire staff is foolish at best, and entirely disingenuous at worst.
I’m a huge supporter of Fagan. He was a great writer here at BE, and he’ll be a great writer elsewhere. This situation was handled poorly, and well Kid Nate has basically done as much as he possibly can to own up to that in this thread. If that’s not enough for you? Well, that’s some tough luck. I’m not going to dwell on it and just assume that Nate has learned from the way he handled the situation, and it won’t go down like that in the future. That’s all we can really hope for as a community.
So again. Godspeed Fagan, I hope I can continue to read your work elsewhere. You’ll be missed here at BE by the community, and likely much of the staff as well. Thanks Nate for doing what you could to make things right.
by Jacob Hayes on Oct 28, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, Brent’s the one that disappointed me with his comments. As you said, Luke may have said something too, but we know Luke, that’s okay. But whatever, it’s fine. I’m over it now. I’ll enjoy what’s left of BE, both in terms of writers and in terms of time… because we all know the SB Nation execs would love nothing more than to shut down BE if they could find a way for all of us to move over to MMA Nation…
that is absurd
SBN execs would like nothing more than for BE to double in size.
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by Nate Wilcox on Oct 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s one of those things that I’ll have to see for myself in order to believe it. Let’s just say I’m skeptical about that.
Why WOULDN'T they want one their sites to get bigger?
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." - Wayne Gretzky - Michael Scott
by Sugel Mendoza on Oct 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Because their newest and shiniest toy is MMA Nation, and it’s clear their agenda is to make MMA Nation THE MMA site on SB Nation…
Throwing away traffic on BE wouldn’t necessarily make MMA Nation any more popular. It’s growth is going to have to be organic, just like BE’s has been. Also, considering how massive BE is, they’re not going to throw it away…they more eyes on BE, the more potential eyes for MMA Nation.
The cross posting process we see Nate doing with the “Check this out at MMA Nation” posts aren’t going to make an impact immediately, but having a massive audience to tap into when there’s a fun piece on the other site is a good tool that should in theory help MMA Nation grow.
"All man are the same except for their belief in their own selves, regardless of what others may think of them"
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Oct 30, 2011 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions
bummmer he was my favorite (no offense to other BE guys!!)
my favorite fagan times were following him on twitter during conference calls..also his TWIQ he was always so sassy
Fine! I'll go build my own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack.
PRIDE fan boy
My favorite moment...
was when fagan got let go, banned, unbanned and then immediately banned again.
It takes a special guy to accomplish that!
TWIQ, every week, by far.
"Okay, Lindsay, are you forgetting that I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist."
Yeah
I loved his comments in TWIQ.
"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
It seems that this has become a much bigger issue
than the firing of a popular writer.
Somewhere it stirred up a bunch of feelings in the old “which came first, the chicken or the egg” vein—writers and editors produce content for the readers to consume, but without the readers, who are the writers producing for?
I enjoy this site, but I don’t have to come here. If I love a sandwich place, but the person who makes my sandwiches treats me like I’m unimportant and condescendingly informs me that I have no right to know why my favorite combo is off the menu, I don’t go back to that shop. Do that to enough people and you go out of business.
this is something that would be better addressed
in a separate fanpost. let’s stick to celebrating Fagan here.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
heres a logan picture for our much missed fagan
Fine! I'll go build my own lunar lander, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the lunar lander and the blackjack.
PRIDE fan boy
by gxc on Oct 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
GODDAMN
#BRINGLOGANBACK #BRINGFAGANBACK
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/94040/jfkfd.gif
'nucks fly together
by BROCKLESNAR!!!!! on Oct 28, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You really need to fix that Caps Lock.
"It's all in the reflexes" - Jack Burton
by Forbidden Psychological Technology on Oct 28, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What?
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
He means this:
"Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back." -Swearengen
by AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe on Oct 30, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy mother of fuck
I shouldn’t have asked.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
I still blame you.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." - Wayne Gretzky - Michael Scott
by Sugel Mendoza on Oct 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
BE IS ME
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." - Wayne Gretzky - Michael Scott
by Sugel Mendoza on Oct 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me tell you something...
Mike Fagan was the person who brought BE to Twitter. That may not sound like that big of a deal right now, but at the time none of the other people on the staff, most of whom were pretty intelligent, identified it as a necessary step. Fagan was always brainstorming, coming up with ideas, during the time that I worked on the site. I can’t say that I always agreed with the sentiments expressed in his writing, but I always viewed his work as being of extremely good quality.
I think that in most successful ventures there are a number of people along the way who were essential in making it go. Mike Fagan’s contribution has been significant. Thank’s Mike.
by Cannon Jacques on Oct 28, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
GSP is me, and
THANK IS MIKE
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Oct 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'll keep it short and sweet.
Fagan knew his MMA, was a hell of a writer, quick witted, and a good person. I’ll be keeping up with his writing wherever that may be.
"I have reached an age when, if someone tells me to wear socks, I don't have to."- Albert Einstein
by Tim Bernier on Oct 28, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It makes me sad to see BE loose another good writer. I think that one of the biggest reasons BE was able to build such an educated/intelligent community was the solid writing. When you guys brought Luke over from Mad Squabbles, he was the best MMA writer. You guys have maintained that quality of writing with a handful of writers and it’s disappointing to see them all leave.
I have no idea what happened but I hope it was something extreme.
Too Bad
It’s really too bad this whole thing happened. I think it’s fair to say that a lot of mma media is similar. People post articles on the weigh ins, injury suspensions, fighter x is looking for a KO, fighter y is ready for title contention, so on and so forth. I think it’s rare to find mma writers who stand out in the crowd, and for me Mike Fagan was one of those writers. I didn’t always agree with what he wrote but I was always interested to read it. It’s a shame that BE is losing him over what were probably avoidable circumstances. I have less of a reason to check BE every day now.
Rec bomb TWIQ when it comes up as a fanpost next week
RABBLERABBLERABBLE
¬_¬
by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Oct 28, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
woah I wished I hadnt refreshed my page
I got rid of the chat log that I didnt get to read hahaha .. oh well ..
the gossip girl inside me is gone now anyway
all of this will be null and void when nate brings me aboard and I take this site to heights unknown
but still
have great success and a road full of awesomeness wherever you go Fagan
or just with anything you do .. I too appreciated your work
thanks again
Damn
That’s really too bad. He was a big reason I keep coming to the site, and IMO was the best writer on the site.
Cheers to you Fagan.
BE Staff!
There’s Luke and his condescending brilliance. Master, MASTER of Radio and interviews.
There’s Nate and his funny yet authoritarian ways, plus… great writing.
There’s Snow, the Skip Bayless of MMA shit stirring.
And then there’s Fagan, I hope he’s a nice a guy in real life, I won’t miss him.
On a personal note, you have fans it seems, do your thing, good luck.
Unbanned me also after a mad ban from Roth for calling his writing in to question. (Which is a pretty popular opinion outside BE, he shouldn’t take it personal, it’s just writing)
From an editorial standpoint, Fagan was definitely the most polished. His content and sarcastic asshole attitude will be missed.
by C-Viggity on Oct 29, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's not being honest.
You got banned for calling for my termination repeatedly.
by Matthew Roth on Oct 30, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thnx Mike
you wrote some pretty great stuff, hope you find success and a more welcoming environment in whatever you choose to do
I am willing to test myself against the toughest fighters in the world, in front of hundreds of thousands or even millions of fans, over and over again. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but I always come to fight. I've been doing this for the past fourteen years, and I have at least a few more strong years left in me. What have you done in the past fourteen years other than act like a moron on this forum and hang on Anderson's nuts? - Dan Henderson.
bummed
step away from BE for a little bit and now of of the best, and one of my favorite, writers of MMA anywhere on SB nation (or the internet for that matter) is fired.
I’ve spent hours and hours reading his work, as well as laughing, thinking, commenting, and sometimes raging on it. Wish i knew what was going on after such an investment on my part.
Regardless, Mr. Fagan will be missed.
"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."
Someone want to lay out exactly what happened?
I mean cut the shit, what happened? Maybe its been explained and I havent seen it but it seems like nobody wanted to talk about why.
Why not? Is it some secrete? What was it, did he do something, say something, piss the wrong people off? Like what happened?
THERE WAS A FIRE FIGHT!!!
"Maybe, you throw some pepper at him."
-Bas Rutten
by mmazing on Oct 30, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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