UFC 137: Cesar Gracie on B.J. Penn vs. Nick Diaz - 'Let's Make it Five Rounds'
by Tim Burke on Oct 18, 2011 8:43 PM EDT
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It looks like Nick Diaz wants to go five rounds with B.J. Penn in the new main event of UFC 137, despite Dana White stating it would only be a three-rounder on twitter earlier today. Of course, they are now in the marquee spot because Georges St. Pierre was forced out of his headlining bout with Carlos Condit due to a knee injury. As usual, Nick's manager Cesar Gracie is leading the campaign for a five-rounder, speaking to MMA Fighting about the idea:
"If they can't fight five rounds against each other, how are they going to fight five rounds against GSP?," Gracie said to MMAFighting.com on Tuesday.
He also claims to have the big man's approval:
"Dana is good with it," he said. "We've agreed to it. If BJ agrees to it, we'll make it happen."
And of course in typical Gracie fashion, he had to end things with a baiting statement:
"These guys have to prove they are ready. These guys are fighters. BJ has always said he's a warrior. ... The old school days of MMA, back when it was NHB, they fought forever.
"Don't be scared, homie. Let's make it five rounds."
While a five-rounder completely changes the dynamic of the fight, it is true that Penn has been training for a three-rounder all along and it's extremely unlikely he'd be baited into taking a five-rounder even if Dana agreed (which I'm suspicious of to begin win). Basically, I believe this is just an angle from Cesar that serves two purposes. If Penn takes the bait, Diaz walks into the fight with a definite advantage. If he doesn't and BJ wins by decision, Gracie now has an out by saying "well if it went two more, Nick could have won." It's brilliant and lame at the same time.
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5 ROUNDS PLEASE.
these are a few of my favorite things in no order: BHO, WANDY, burritos, chili, HMK glass, USMTA, NYHC, Motorhead, turtles, frogs, rewatching Chael tap to Anderson, and Big Nog KOing Schaub.
by the jewish conquistador on Oct 18, 2011 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
BJ doesn't want this.
Seems like he can handle 5 rounds at LW but at WW his cardio doesn’t seem to carry over as well which is weird since he doesn’t cut to make 170.
by Hank_Mardukas on Oct 18, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He probably has to push his cardio to drop the weight to make 155 as opposed to coming in at 168 lbs which he doesn’t have to actually loose much weight for.
plus, he’s pushing a bigger dude around at 170. That’ll use up some gas too.
by Buddy Revell on Oct 18, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i strongly believe..
that his cardio issues are from smoking, as there are sources that he is known to smoke pot. but then again, that’s just my opinion.. which doesn’t really matter. :-(
by Saul Oliveros on Oct 18, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And the always tired Diaz refrains from the pot smokage?
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
Well that'd be the complete opposite of Diaz.
Besides I bet he quits toking a good 3 or 4 weeks before fight time.
The key is to hit the guy in the jaw really hard before the other guy does it to you.
by FreeLightningLee on Oct 18, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ has a kid
I doubt he smokes anything close to what Diaz does these days.
by Steadiest Pink on Oct 19, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
you can use a vaporizer
and never smoke
or you can ingest edibles etc
more than one way to skin a cat
¬_¬
by ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on Oct 19, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
condit vs diaz for title shot wec champ vs strikeforce champ
penn vs koscheck co main white make it right
Just about everyone at CGJJ should have some sort of disclaimer before they talk. We’re all a little bit dumber after listening/reading.
by thievesdont on Oct 18, 2011 8:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
people say this to me
a lot but no body has today and I even told a story at the mac store, work, and when training.
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by the jewish conquistador on Oct 18, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it would be a great 5 rounder. Better than potentially having Leben getting ground and pounded for 5 rounds straight.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 18, 2011 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
hahahahah
leben/munoz doesnt make it out of the 3rd, someone (munoz probably)is going to sleep
I think the guy that can’t bother to show up to his obligations should not call out anyone. I know his “manager” is the one saying it, but that camp should seriously just stfu.
by troutki on Oct 18, 2011 8:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Yeah...well...Diaz misses pressers and GSP gets injured and misses a fight.
Neither of them showed, or will show. up to their obligations. Nobody wins.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 18, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Except one was a conscious decision and the other is an accident
by troutki on Oct 18, 2011 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Exactly
These two cases share no similarities aside from the fact they won’t be fighting. Not sure what he was trying to say with that.
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by halitosis on Oct 18, 2011 9:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That nobody wins. Ain't that hard to grasp.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 18, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Diaz has
If he’d have turned up to the pressers he’d be sat at home on the 29th twiddling his thumbs like Condit will be. As it’s turned out he’s now headlining the card. Sounds like a win to me. Yet more proof that karma does not exist
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by Mattyjudo on Oct 18, 2011 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously?
Dude missed on the chance of a huge paycheck. Even if GSP got injured and him waiting in the wings, he still would’ve made a hell of a lot more money than he will make fighting BJ.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 18, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
He’s now headlining a card and fighting an easier opponent. If he wins he gains a load of prestige and casual fan recognition which will give him more leverage with UFC in the long run than if he’d have gone straight in and got outpointed by GSP for 5 rounds. Plus he’s still right in line for the title shot if he comes out on top. Condit meanwhile is left waiting in the wings with the possibility of being Rashaded hanging over him
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by Mattyjudo on Oct 19, 2011 12:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Really, who cares, as fans, about him showing up for pressers. I care about him showing up in the cage and five rounds is what a main event should be.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 18, 2011 11:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure everyone that has to do his job for him
Like GSP and Dana care. Do you not understand that it’s not about the press conference? It’s about him not being the only fighter that gets to ME a UFC PPV without doing his part to promote it.
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by 40 Cal. on Oct 18, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right. That’s Dana and GSP’s problem. I, as a fan, could care less. He is one of the most exciting fighters in the business today. I will show up to see him fight. That’s the only time I care if he shows up or not. The rest is someone else’s problem.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 18, 2011 11:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I cannot understand anybody who doesn't LOVE Nick Diaz at pressers.
Or just talking. Anytime he talks it’s gold. Diaz at a press conference is guaranteed promotional material. How were you not stoked for that?
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Oh, no doubt. He is hilarious. It’s always a blast. But, first and foremost I love his style in the cage. I don’t care if he misses a presser here and there. I can’t remember him showing up for any promos for the Daley fight but the minute those two squared off at the weigh in the intensity went thru the roof. I hope he gets past BJ and we get to see that moment with GSP after the years of animosity.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 19, 2011 12:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was at the fight with Daley.
California folks LOVED him. It was insane the support he had. Gilbert Melendez’s sister couldn’t make it into the room for the weigh ins because Diaz fans filled it up. Absurd the level of support he had for SoCal while he’s a NorCal dude. Way more than Urijah would get in the same market.
I love the whole deal of Nick Diaz. He’s a fun and talented fighter, but so is Brandon Rios and I want to hate Rios so much for being a dickhead. Diaz manages to be a crazy character without being a terrible person. I’ll love him forever for that.
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It's b/c Diaz never hurts anyone, just his chances at personal success.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
25 wins, 21 by stoppage.
Never hurt anyone? Tell it to Daley, Lawler, Santos, Shamrock, Tibau. Smith, Neer…
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I don't hate Nick Diaz
But I’m not a fan because he frustrates me. He’s got the raw talent and charisma and the only thing standing between him and big time success and reward is himself.
That's what I love about him.
If a neurotic, self-hating malcontent can’t make it as a cage fighter, what hope do the rest of us have?
I’d think everyone on this site cares. We sit here every day reading and commenting on the news of the day. There would be a whole lot less news without fighters doing interviews and meeting their promotional responsibilities.
Do I really care about movie star ____ doing the talk show circuits the week their movie premiers? Not really, but at the same time that raises awareness of the movie, helps it make more money, and ensures more movies can be made in the future. Same goes for MMA and all sport leagues.
Without getting your event out there in the news via these promotional events to make people aware, profit goes down and there won’t be the money bring in the best athletes and put on the best fights. I guess you could argue there is already enough promotion via the other athletes and what the UFC does, but why does Nick get to be so special? Set that precedent and others may decide to do the same. Then there can be a real affect to the sport.
What if Cain refused to do the shoot for the nice Fox commercial they released because he doesn’t like beauty pageants? It is just part of their chosen profession.
5 rounds if fine as long as BJ's corner can give him oxygen.
I mean they do in the NFL why not MMA?
They did in Strikeforce. Ask King Mo.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 18, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they really? Anyone know why they don’t do it in the UFC?
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In Texas it's legal or illegal? Or do you just like the state?
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s allowed in TX, disallowed in most places.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
They're legal in Texas
King Mo and I think KJ Noons got clearance to use oxygen masks before their fights for some reason; in other states, the corners are pretty much only allowed to have water and supplies to treat cuts.
My name isn't Todd.
Before but how about between rounds? Any idea?
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't oxygen
It was an oxygen inhaler. Pure 02 or some shit. They took it before rounds as a sponsorship deal.
Read: Toblerone Jones
Don't let them fool you
They were hitting whip its between rounds.
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Never liked that.
But still seems like good idea for the heavyweights.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Oct 19, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
beautiful idea on gracie part.
That is some slick thinkin on their part. Makes them look good no matter the out come
by NW Okie on Oct 18, 2011 8:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also I think the Diaz camp knows their only path to victory is probably a decision in which a five rounder increases his chances.
by troutki on Oct 18, 2011 8:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think Cesar Gracie does a little too much talking
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by StevenGiles on Oct 18, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No way BJ's signing on for a 5 round fight
Dana probably wants it, but BJ already did him a solid by taking the Diaz fight instead of Condit. Can’t keep jerking the guy around.
I agree, but it will probably come down to money. A couple hundred thousand ought to do the trick.
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t BJ loaded already? Like, his family and everything? I wonder, if you’re not motivated financially, and you’ve already reached your peak and fought for a period of time as a dominant champion (arguably), what does motivate you? Why do you fight? I didn’t read his book.
by Buddy Revell on Oct 18, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The vast majority of people will always want more. And I heard his family had money but I think they are upper middle class not really truly wealthy. BJ is near the end of his career so a few hundred thousand would sit well, I assume.
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It won't make it past the third round
by Brain Melter on Oct 18, 2011 9:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Diaz by tko
I hate saying it because I love bj but I think he’s in the twilight of his (amazing) career.
by Brain Melter on Oct 18, 2011 9:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Penn by tko
Diaz has great recovery, but he gets dropped a lot. Its only a matter of time before someone catches him and gives the ref a good reason to stop it. Penn will be the one.
Or he’ll take him down at will and win 2 rounds, and hopefully have enough gas to get through the 3rd.
by Tats16 on Oct 18, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is like my post below
Diaz has gotten dropped in a lot of his fights and recovers but I think BJ can end it. He won’t be afraid of Diaz’s BJJ unlike the rest of Diaz’s opponent.
He can also Fitch Diaz too if he wanted.
I concur
AND I can see Diaz complaining about the ref stoppage .. then going on a tirade about how doesnt like the way “they do business” .. clearly referring to the UFC .. even though the UFC has nothing to do with the reffing
* sigh *
I swear I see this happening
The fighter that's never been knocked down
Being tko’d to a guy who gets dropped consistently? Sorry, BJ’s finishing Diaz in the third.
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by halitosis on Oct 18, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nick will have so much more energy than BJ in the third that he’ll pick him apart on the way to a UD.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
Penn's only gassed
when he was fighting a mostly grappling fight. Diaz won’t be doing that for sure.
Has he ever fought someone that brings Nick Diaz’s crazy pressure and pace on the feet?
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Diego's prolly the closest
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Regardless of who wins it should be quite entertaining! The only thing that would really fuck it up is if BJ Fitch’s him. But I’m hoping, praying and begging that BJ stands and bangs. I don’t care who wins, I just want an awesome fight. Jesus, I’m getting myself pumped for the fight.
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It's motherfucking BJ Penn.
He’ll stand and bang.
"He's like Elvis in Korea! They love him there." - Mike Goldberg on Denis Kang
I think he
said after the Fitch fight he wants to use his grappling more. Diaz and Penn grappling would be pretty exciting too.
Not nearly as exciting as them standing a trading shots!!!
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Exciting = Stupid around these parts.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He was tko'd twice
By gsp and Matthughes
by Brain Melter on Oct 18, 2011 9:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hasn't been dropped though
He was still conscious against Hughes, but he was completely trapped in the crucifix.
His corner ended the GSP fight.
B/c he was a freaking zombie by then. Shambling and unresponsive...but he didn't bite or stalk, or anything, so even as a zombie he failed that night.
Hopefully he’s learned his lesson.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 18, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I said dropped
He quit against GAP, and had no where to go in Hughes’ crucifix.
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by halitosis on Oct 18, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t see how anyone would think Diaz can KO Penn. The guy has never been knocked down and can take a tremendous amount of punishment. I think this is why the Diaz camp would love an extra two rounds to drag out a narrow decision. Can’t blame them for trying but it’s too late in the game for that.
by troutki on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed for a number of reasons and the fact that Diaz has a hobby of participating in triathlons……..
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not even fair to Penn anyways. He’s been training for a three rounder, not a five rounder.
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Still.
If five round events are becoming the new big thing, co-main fighters should be training for five rounds just in case they need to step up.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Oct 19, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree with this at all
Penn, or any MMA fighter for that matter, trains for what they signed up for. Also, while we have seen main events scrapped due to injury and co-main events bumped to the main event, it is still not an often occurrence for the co-main event to be moved to the main event. Usually, a replacement is found for the main event fighter (like Tito replacing Phil Davis) before the co-main event is moved to the main event. I just don’t feel that the co-main event being bumped to the main event is an often-enough occurrence to warrant the co-main eventers to train for five round fights.
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by chrisbboy82 on Oct 19, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Once again, another problem with five round main events. You can’t expect people to train for three rounds and be disappointed they won’t go five when the main falls through.
by discoandherpes on Oct 19, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's going to happen
The only time BJ has been out pointed standing was with Edgar who has a completely different style to Diaz.
Diaz won’t hit and then back away, he’ll keep moving forward and eat shots like he always does. Diaz has gotten rocked pretty badly in most of his recent fights but he recovers quickly. I think that has to do with his opponents being afraid to go to the ground with him but this will be the first time Diaz will be fighting somebody with better BJJ than him.
If BJ didn’t gas in the third against Fitch, he would have won that fight. He would have done something no one has ever done which is Fitching, Jon Fitch.
Out pointed twice.
He fought a lot of weaker guys at lightweight, in my opinion. I think he’s always overstated.
I think if he can take Daley’s punches he can take Penns. I don’t think BJ is a better BJJ player either. When has he even used his ground game recently?
I thought he looked pretty gassed bro. His grappling evaporated.
I say Penn comes in slow again, and get punched up. Diaz is a much better fighter now, hungrier, and puts his game together better.
by Canis.Majoris on Oct 18, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That first Edgar fight was controversial
and a lot of people thought he won it.
Diaz couldn’t take Daley’s punches, he faceplanted within the first two minutes of the fight. Penn never came in slow, he just fought Frankie Edgar who is probably as quick as 135ers.
If anyone has fought weaker guys it would be Diaz in SF. Hasn’t fought a top ten fighter since Gomi in 07.
When has BJ Penn used his ground game recently? His last fight. Anyway I agree that Diaz has better striking than the guys BJ was beating at LW. BJ Penn does probably have the better overall BJJ game but that doesn’t really matter, because the point is he won’t really be able to hurt Nick on the ground. What really worries me is his takedown game, but I doubt he’ll even use it.
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Florian is arguably as good a striker as Diaz
He just came out with a really shitty gameplan in that fight. I really thought he was gonna look to stick ‘n’ move like he did so well against Huerta; instead he kept trying to hump BJ against the fence even though it was clear from rd1 it was getting him nowhere. Bet Kenny was kicking himself when he watched the Penn-Edgar fights
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by Mattyjudo on Oct 18, 2011 10:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean the same strategy he used against Aldo?
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Exactly
Though to be fair on Kenny that strategy arguably made more sense on paper against a smaller, faster guy like Aldo
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by Mattyjudo on Oct 18, 2011 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if youre going to bag on his competition
you have to mention Diaz’s too.
He won the first fight vs Edgar.
Also...
…if BJ had just laid on some good ol’ g’n’p in those first 2 rounds instead of looking for that choke the whole time he could well have got the TKO, or at last hurt Fitch badly enough to stop him rallying in the 3rd. Personally i hope that’s his plan against Diaz and have faith it will be.
Disclaimer: i’m an unabashed BJ Penn nuthugger
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by Mattyjudo on Oct 18, 2011 10:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i hate that camp
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This fight will not be five rounds. No fucking way.
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by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It wont.
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I just read your sig or whatever it’s called. Fantastic!! One of the best ever, I laughed aloud.
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do not like the Cesar Gracie Camp at all.
The only ones tolerable are Melendez and Shields (Personality wise, not fighting).
I like watching Melendez fight. Shields, not so much. Both the Diaz bros, for as much as their personalities rub me the wrong way, still almost always put on entertaining fights.
by Buddy Revell on Oct 18, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
…but I’m not a fan of the camp in general either.
by Buddy Revell on Oct 18, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I consider it my favorite camp personally. The guys there are less phony.
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I just don't like the Diaz brothers and Cesar now that I think about it
but more specifically Nick after the whole Mayhem fiasco.
I don’t expect people to fight outside their weight class (even if they’ve done when they had to keep busy) so the Mayhem situation played out how I expected. I like both guys.
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BJ will duck Nick
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
This is like the only time an Oprah gif is acceptable.
And it’s awesome!!!
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by 40 Cal. on Oct 18, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree it is Oprah-priate
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Oh my god I was wrong.
I’ve been humbled.
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The most electrifyuing man in all of entertainment?
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey BJ!
If you agree to five rounds despite having not trained for it or contractually agreed to it, you’ll put yourself at a disadvantage. If you don’t, you’re a pussy.
Don’t be scared, homie!
When I read this
I imagined Nick Diaz standing in front of all his Triathalon and Marathon medals after going on a 30 mile run.
I would LOVE for this fight to be five rounds
But I totally understand if BJ doesn’t want to do it that way.
Its not about BJ wanting or not wanting the 5 round fight. ANY fighter would have doubts about taking a 5 round fight on 2 week’s notice.
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by andrew861 on Oct 18, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Choi'd
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, obviously. Notable exception: Nick Diaz.
by Horselover Fat on Oct 18, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick has been training for 5 rounders for quite some time now as the SF champ.
BJ hasn’t for quite some time.
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was also training for a 5 rounder until September 7th.
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exactly
how was/is europe?
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Got home today
It was pretty awesome. My liver hurts, but that’s to be expected.
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diverticulitis.
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
A teaspoon of horseradish every day for a week and you will be right as rain.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 18, 2011 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe they should, so they don’t have to turn down challenges like these from the 209.
by Horselover Fat on Oct 18, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Diaz has been training for 5 rounders for a long time now.
Come on.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
So?
I don’t get what you are complaining about with my initial post. I said understand if BJ doesn’t want a five rounder. You answered with stating the obvious that basically everyone would have doubts about such a proposition on short notice. Well duh, I get that.
by Horselover Fat on Oct 18, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But I totally understand if BJ doesn’t want to do it that way.
I must have assumed you were a Diaz nuthugger but I read this part as being a slight against BJ. I answered as if you were stating it that way, my apologies if I misinterpreted.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Okay, no problem! I honestly did not mean it as a slight to Penn. I will admit though to being a big Diaz fan, but I can see clear as day that this request from Cesar will blatantly favor Diaz if it comes through. Penn would basically be stupid to accept it, since he is known to sometimes have lacking cardio, and hasn’t been training for five rounds for a long time.
by Horselover Fat on Oct 19, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It's because he has to kill the Monster he created in training camp...
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
this is the hot bout on playground
at least at the moment. I can’t decide between Penn tko round 1 or decision!
You'd miss out on points altogether
Actually, you should choose Diaz.
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
by halitosis on Oct 18, 2011 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
choose Diaz man!
Thats guaranteed 10 pts for choosing the winner!
by Imaginary Enemy on Oct 19, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Relax, Business as Usual is gonna take the title regardless!
by Fedornuthugger on Oct 18, 2011 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah
My only debate is whether or not I should buy this PPV at all.
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
by halitosis on Oct 18, 2011 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Penn Diaz is an awesome fight, still gotta see it
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Yes
But important investors have been less than pleased with this news.
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
by halitosis on Oct 18, 2011 10:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not saying I’m not disappointed, but I’m still not missin that fight
:p - orcus
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by McKinley B. Noble on Oct 19, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny side note
A second before I posted that, I realized my phone mistakes “PPV” for “POVERTY”
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
by halitosis on Oct 18, 2011 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For me,
it depends on who’s fighting or what quality I expect the card to be; title fights and/or packed cards, I’ll buy whole or split with friends, iffy and meh cards, go to a bar.
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You can go to the bar and spend less than $50?
I didn’t know that was possible. I actually thought there were laws that forbid me from leaving the bar with any money in my pocket!
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If I’m feeling extra special, I’ll buy one for myself at home. But, usually I go to the bar (although that’s a bit more difficult during college football season).
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I'm pretty lazy...
So I usually only go to the bar that’s 3 blocks away. But, there are not a ton of sports bars in the area where I live and this is actually a really good sports bar, so it gets packed on Saturdays. They know us there, though (we watch a lot of fights there), so they can usually get us a good table. It just sometimes seems a little too hectic.
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Well you're a girl of course you don't pay for your drinks.
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They have $5 vodka drinks!
And, their food is cheap. And, I’m kind of a lightweight drinker. So I usually get out of there for ~$25 :)
Also, boys watching their fights aren’t really into buying girls drinks. I totally respect that.
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Also, boys watching their fights aren’t really into buying girls drinks. I totally respect that.
try talking to the men.
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
blockquote fail.
fml
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I’d talk to that guy for sure.
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Strangely
Guys always seem to buy me drinks at bars when they find out I’m not an MMA moron. Mention Sakuraba, guarantee somebody will ask to do a car bomb with you.
Read: Toblerone Jones
by Neil Manich on Oct 18, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry to break this to you but they think you're saying suckalota
And you’re in the one of “those” bars!!!
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Free drinks a free drink.
Read: Toblerone Jones
by Neil Manich on Oct 18, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
exactly
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ever go to a sports bar in the gay neighborhood for a fight night just to get your drinks taken care of?
…me neither. Really… never.
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It was just stupid joke that should be put in the "Old jokes box" and buried.
But I do know girls who go out without a single dollar in there pockets(purse) and get drunk all night.
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For the girl or for the guy?
’Cause the girl only has to show up, basically. The guy is the one trying to be all alpha male by getting her drunk off her fucking mind so that she forgets how fucking hideous he really is.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the girl has to talk to the guy to keep getting drinks. I dunno – I’d just rather buy a drink and watch the fights :)
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by KatGirl on Oct 19, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta give it to you there.
Conversations with creeps and assholes ought to take some effort.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
There are some cards that I don’t want anyone around me, talking, distracting me. Otherwise, there is actually a great sushi place with a bar that shows the fights. Doesn’t get much better.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 18, 2011 11:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I should talk to my local sushi hang out about getting the fights
The sushi makers (chefs?) are sports gambling addicts in there and ESPN is constantly on so I doubt it would take much persuasion on my part
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 18, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You definitely should. It f’n rules watching fights while chowing on some delicious sushi and drinking quality sake. That’s a great Saturday night.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 19, 2011 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would love if a sushi bar showed fights here.
That’s pretty fantastic.
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It’s sublime. The best of all worlds.
It's that the world is basically a forced labor camp from which the workers, perfectly innocent, are led forth by lottery, a few each day, to be executed.
I don't think that's just the way I see it. I think that's the way it is. Are there alternative views? Yes. Will any of them stand close scrutiny? No.
by memitim on Oct 19, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
5 rounds please!
BJ will catch a horrible beating
If BJ agrees to it, then awesome. If he doesn’t, I don’t blame him at all, and people shouldn’t be angry.
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The internet entitles me to be angry.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 18, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
his cardio will be fine
bj’s cardio is shit when he is fighting a wrestler, you spend much more energy fighting a person with a wrestling strategy.
In anycase I would like to see a 5 rounder, id like to see Diaz get the W and flip the birdies on live tv
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Diaz not as great as people make him out to be
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/MMA/KJNoonsKneesDiaz.gif
still an entertaining fighter
Definitely more incriminating gifs of Diaz
Than the time he lost by cuts. Dude’s been dropped plenty.
Read: Toblerone Jones
by Neil Manich on Oct 18, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy beating on Diaz? That's a rapist. Yup.
Also, Diaz then beat him up…twice. Props for Nick for that.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
That was 9 years ago..
Diaz fifth pro-fight
by Horselover Fat on Oct 19, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Diaz goin for the takedown?
STANDANDBANG, HOMIE!
by Imaginary Enemy on Oct 19, 2011 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently GSP ain't that hot either...
Oh, look! The gif equivalent of quote mining…how nice.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
When I watch those gifs
I’m reminded of how eerily similar Shields’ punches are to that of a small, sickly girl.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shields' got shit for standup. If he had stubs instead of fingers he would've got TKO'd even by the always cautious St Pierre.
But, hey, finger happen…
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
*fingers happen* damn!
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP was landing at will before the eye pokes.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Kinda shitty how that fight ended as.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially since Shield did it intentionally.
Close the fist, son.
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by McKinley B. Noble on Oct 19, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I find it very hard to believe those were accidental.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere in the neighborhood of half a dozen IIRC
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I remember right after the fight, somebody posted several gifs where Shields raked GSP’s eyes over and over and over again.
:p - orcus
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by discoandherpes on Oct 19, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Shields is so off balance there,
no way could he have changed levels properly for a takedown.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Threadjack
If Brent’s twitter is anything to go by, UFC 136 did absolutely shit numbers.
The UFC is officially in crisis mode now. This FOX thing better work out immediately because 2011 has been a complete disaster.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
SaveUs_$kala
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 19, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
His solution for everything is to to throw a Kimbo in it and hope for the best. He's hardly th emost qualified individual for the job...
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
SaveUs_Pavelich
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 19, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't he quit the MFC?
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
SaveUs_CokerFace
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 19, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Dood...Silicon whatever and Entertainment took his ballz away...
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
SaveUs_TheButterbean
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 19, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Never trust a man with bigger boobs than your girlfriend...so he goes out the window too.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
SaveUs_Bjorn
I purchased a crowbar and 3 gallons of Goof Off, worked for three arduous hours and was still unable to pry IKilled007 off Jon Jones' nuts.
by Earl Montclair on Oct 19, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't wait for the Ultimate Ultimate 2012
by Akemi Homura on Oct 19, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I rather hope for the return of YAMMA Pit Fighting...and Wargods!
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ken Shamrock will save us!
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by Earl Montclair on Oct 19, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Dayum. I would hate to see the UFC go PRIDE on us.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope so.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
To be more specific, somewhere around 310k.
But…..but people will have seen Edgar/Maynard II and been enticed to buy it!
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by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Deep down, I think a lot of us never really believed that.
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Nah, just a jab at Zuffa blinders who have no idea who PPVs work despite math saying light weight classes don't sell
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by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean like Penn and GSP; two of the UFC's biggest and most consistent draws?
It just takes time to build stars. I’d say this performance raised Frank Edgar’s stock considerably, especially since he finished the fight.
by Akemi Homura on Oct 19, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, 310k buys. That's bad. Terrible. Horrible.
Welterweight is not a lightweight class. BJ Penn is the only LW draw and his greatest moment in his early days was at welterweight.
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by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
By what standard? They're still making a lot of money.
Welterweight is a lighter weight class by any meaningful definition of the term.
by Akemi Homura on Oct 19, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
310k buys is horrible?
For $50 a pop, are you kidding me? That’s $15+ million dollars. Not to mention the money at the live gate. Or the money they got from the Spike prelims.
They’re still operating with huge margins of profit.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Two title fights and two top contender bouts should never do that low.
Those numbers are pathetic for how great the card was and shows that the UFC needs to revisit their business strategy.
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Yeah, but getting back to the topic at hand, not the fighters' fault or due to the silly idea that "light weight classes don't sell"
by Akemi Homura on Oct 19, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right. It's the UFC's fault
Because they promote Amir Sadollah over Joseph Benavidez on Fight Nights. Their marketing strategy is TUF as #1, Brits as #2, and shittalkers as #3 unless they are combined with numbers #1 or #2.
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by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
They absolutely need to revamp their product.
Right now, only huge personalities like Lesnar or national heroes like GSP draw significant PPV buys. Fantastic, exciting champions like Aldo and Edgar aren’t drawing and it’s absolutely a problem.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Their big problem
Is that GSP and Lesnar are fighting less and less each year.
GSP is going to have just one fight in 2011. He had two in 2010 and in 2009.
Their big PPV drawing days are dependent on Brock and GSP and they aren’t fighting at the rate of someone like Jon Jones.
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by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
The bigger problem
is that PPV sucks. $55 is alot of fucking money. They need to move away from it as soon as they possibly can.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The bigger problem is what SSReporters said.
PPV is dependent on the athlete, while Zuffa has tried to keep the individual small and the brand big. They need to enable the athletes and pay them more to create superstars instead of limiting them in the face of brand value.
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How is paying them more money going to create superstars.
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Greater pay = greater athletes = greater product.
Jon Jones wins by being the best athlete at 205. He isn’t close to the athlete that Derek Rose is, but DRose makes several times more money. Raising the pay structure means better athletes and easier sells.
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Does this Derek Rose fight so that we can make a fair comparison?
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
No, but he's a top 5 player in the NBA
With a shit ton of endorsements.
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No shit? And how does that relate to the concept of athleticism Mr. pdl is using to measur etheir respective athleticisms?
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
And more athletic than Mr. Jones, apparently.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
he’s absolutely top 5, DRose is a monster and entering the prime of his career, fuck the NBA lockout.
yes i’m from Chicago.
by kanginator10 on Oct 19, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Lebron, Wade, Durant, Dwight, CP3
are all ahead of Rose, for right now at least. But I couldn’t agree more with your second point. Fuck the NBA lockout.
No deal, McCutcheon. That moon money is mine.
I agree with the fighter pay argument,
but I still maintain that it’s going to be harder and harder to create PPV draws in the future. Chuck, Randy, and Tito were fortunate enough to be the big dogs when TUF happened and the UFC just started getting popular. Now that it’s not so new and shiny any more, the only way to draw huge PPV #’s is to have a HUGE personality like Brock (who already had a name), or for a national hero like GSP.
Casuals are getting to know Jon Jones, and he could be a big draw in the future, but the best way to build stars is for them to impress the largest audience possible. The FOX deal is a step in the right direction, and I think the Velasquez/ Dos Santos fight is a star making opportunity for both men, but there needs to be more than an hour of Prime cable time for the UFC to make stars.
And there has to be way less PPV’s. Awesome as they are, only 300k people are going to buy a card like 136 because the majority of the fanbase doesn’t know who Aldo and Edgar are.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Fewer and fewer ppv’s are worth $55 to me. And as time goes on and they increase the number of cards, the less of them I want to pay for. I used to pay for every single card because I was so anxious from the last one. Now it seems like I’m tempted to buy every third or fourth card, and I only end up buying one or two a year.
Also, increasing them to $55 when money was already tight and they were already making loads of money, just sort of turned me off. It crossed some threshold of acceptability or something. I’ll pay to watch Andy. I might pay to watch Overeem vs Brock. but most of the others I’ll just watch later on the web or whatever.
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Seriously? Two title fights + Fan Expo implies they went all-out for this
It’s disgustingly bad. They haven’t gone over 500k since UFC 129.
The free title fight two weeks ago barely outdraw Lytle vs. Hardy.
As far as LW goes, it’s like BJ Penn losing to Frankie Edgar was the worst thing to happen to them.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
It speaks more to the poor economy and people's unwillingness to shell out for PPV's IMO
And for some reason or another, the UFC is doing a terrible job of marketing it’s champions.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
The economy didn't get bad overnight
UFC 126 and 129 did fantastic numbers.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It's getting progressively worse,
and people are spending more and more conservatively.
But the real problem is that Zuffa is failing to market their champions and turn them into stars.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Their two biggest American PPV stars
Are Brock and the UFC 117 version of Chael.
Basically Frankie Edgar needs to call Gilbert Melendez a spic who needs to be deported and Melendez needs to respond with saying Edgar is a disgusting guido.
Pro Wrestling sells. The fighters have to market themselves to get buys. This seems to be fact given how well Chael did at UFC 117 compared to respecting Stann pre-fight.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I was called a spic once, but I was in Arizona so I guess it doesn't count. That's just how they say how they greet you over there if you are in the brown spectrum.
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by Unabomberman on Oct 19, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
That just isn't a reliable way to do things.
Although they’re fighters, they’re also athletes, and unless Dana & Co want to pidgeonhole the UFC into the same niche as the WWE, then that’s just not smart. Fighters and executives shouldn’t be saying bigoted shit to hype fights or to portray edginess, MMA is pretty fucking edgy already.
I think that Edgar acts exactly how he should- articulate, confident, but still humble and respectful. And he’s a very good fighter. I don’t think they should be asked to put on a whole dog and pony show just to draw PPV’s.
Ideally, every fight would be on cable. It would reach a wider audience, draw in more ad revenue and sponsorships, and inspire more aggressive athletes to go into fight sport.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Solution is easy
get off of PPV. Nobody wants to pay $55 for every card that is halfway decent.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully contract demands from FOX will force them to put shows on TV and save them from their own stupidity in flooding the PPV market.
by Akemi Homura on Oct 19, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I think that once they’re on Fox, they need to switch all cards that aren’t STACKED on TV. Ramp up the volume of UFN’s and UFC on Fox, limit it to one PPV every 2 months or so.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
They're going from 16 PPVs to 12 next year
So it’d be 1 per month which is totally fine.
I think the reason they had one more PPV this year than last year is they need to make the buyrate total look decent.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
by SSreporters on Oct 19, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Less is more with PPV's.
You either sell PPV’s at a discounted rate when they don’t have a title fight, or you only make PPV’s with title fights.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing I hate while watching MMA
is more fighting?
Make normal fights five rounds and title fights seven.
Three rounds isn’t enough for an interesting narrative to develop in a fight or for fighter to adapt and make a comeback.
by Akemi Homura on Oct 19, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
7 rounds is too much IMO.
MMA has too much grappling for 7 five minute rounds to be feasible. Many fighters have trouble going 3 until they’re at an elite level, anyways. 5 rounds is perfect for elite level fights IMO.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well then I'd just like them to be more liberal about making fights with good fighters five rounds.
by Akemi Homura on Oct 19, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here, for sure.
It’s starting to happen more often. Just needs to catch on.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m completely against five round main events. It puts far too much importance on card placement and cheapens the championship rounds.
by discoandherpes on Oct 19, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Stupid Idea from Nick's camp
Playing right into BJ’s biggest advantage, the cardio disparity. Penn’s cardio has traditionally been his most dominating tool, while Nick gasses before the 1st round ends in most fights. I don’t understand why Nick’s camp would request for this to go 5 rounds.
"If you say Chael Sonnen I will light you on fire." -- Farthammer.
I think you may have mixed them up.
by TheSuperiorness on Oct 19, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Penn’s camp is the one pushing to make it 5 rounds? OK, now it makes sense.
"If you say Chael Sonnen I will light you on fire." -- Farthammer.
I think you just broke the entire worlds sarcasm meter with that little gem!
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I coulda been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but I'm right..." Bama
I think whoever has the lowest score all season in the BE Civil war should get “Don’t be scared, homie” tattoo’d Joe Riggs style over there belly button
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
That’s a better idea
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury." – Tank after losing a decision to Dan Severn
by pridedaze09 on Oct 19, 2011 9:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A 25 minute BJ just sort of fizzles out before it’s over.
by t-ha on Oct 19, 2011 4:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lol Diego Sanchez
I believe in Chael Sonnen.
by Minotauro on Oct 19, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck politicking, I want 5 rounds too.
by Superstitiousmma on Oct 19, 2011 4:55 AM EDT reply actions
Cesar Gracie...
aka BuckeyedBear34
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte
Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself
~ Chinese Proverb
Diaz is actually known for tiring when fights are grappling centric,
and if BJ is smart, he’ll step in with some short punches, get Diaz on his back, and use his pressure top game to stifle Nick. If he decides to just throw hands then Diaz will probably take over after the 3’rd round or so, if BJ can’t stop him with cuts or maybe a (T)KO. Nick has been getting hit ALOT lately, it’s just a matter of time til his recovery stops being so great.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be great, but the preparation for a 3-rounder is quite different than for a 5-rounder, both in terms of strategy and conditioning, so I don’t see it happening
by Carlos Estrada-Ibars Martínez on Oct 19, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions
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