We Are Carlos Condit
by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 2:11 AM EDT
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PrintBefore UFC 107, I was a mere tadpole in the sport of MMA. I watched it religously, but didn't have nearly the grasp or education on the history to dare raise my voice. But I knew enough that one quote resonated with me, and still does to this day.
I don't know who said it or when or from what site, otherwise I'd gladly give credit, but in the discussion of Penn vs. Sanchez, it was phrased as "hustle doesn't win championships". The object, of course, being Diego Sanchez and his unstoppable gas tank and will. I kind of shrugged it off as haterade, but when that bell rang, Diego hustled. He hustled into combinations, he hustled into kicks, and he hustled into a head kick that impregnated his forehead.
Diego, for all his heart and tenacious spirit, left 155 and showed up bloated and disinterested for his next fight against John Hathaway at UFC 114 and got demolished.
But that fight, and the talk before it, made me pretty damned depressed as a fighting romantic. It wasn't about heart, or fighting spirit, or a never-say-die attitude, it was about the better technician outpointing or out-planning his opponent. I know I should have been happy about that as an MMA supporter because of the legitimacy it brought the sport, but part of me was still a little sad that the scrappy underdogs had little to no chance.
Since that fight, the status quo remained. A younger, faster Cain Velasquez dethroned Brock Lesnar, a younger, faster Frankie Edgar dethroned BJ Penn, and a younger, faster Jon Jones dethroned Shogun Rua.
In each case, if was about technical proficiency. Cain was able to use fantastic boxing to hit a man who HATES getting hit in Lesnar, prefaced by his outstanding wrestling pedigree to counter Brock's bull-rushing attempts. Frankie's speed was simply too much for BJ, who surrendered takedowns to Frankie unlike anyone before him. Frankie used his speed advantage and boxing acumen to set up his wrestling. Jon Jones used a destructive and crisp Muay Thai assault to defeat Shogun.
In each of those fights, logic prevailed. Well, of course Cain beat Brock, Brock hates getting hit and Cain had the gas tank to keep the assault going. Of course BJ lost to Frankie, BJ found someone faster than him and paid the price. Of course Shogun lost to Jones, Shogun was rusty and out of shape and Jones was fresh and primed to take him down.
All of those arguments can be justified. What cannot be justified is if Georges St. Pierre loses to Carlos Condit.
Throughout the years, fight fans have always identified with fighters at a nationalistic level. When Nazi Germany trotted out Max Schmeling as their elite fighter, we, as a country, pulled for Joe Louis. That love continued to the black community after World War II when they felt they had no rights and representation. They hung on to Joe Louis, the Brown Bomber, the one man that the prejudice population couldn't control because he was that talented. In his book, Sugar Ray Leonard talks extensively about his father's love of Joe Louis. He gave the black population a voice, a hope, a chance.
Cassius Clay (nay Muhammad Ali) resonated with the movements of the 60s and 70s, speaking for the speechless, Andy Hug representing the Dutch, Lennox Lewis representing the Brits, Evander Holyfield trying to keep respect in the Heavyweight division, Julio Cesar Chavez fighting for all of Mexico, Royce Gracie putting Brazil on the map and dominating, with Americans hoping that Ken Shamrock or Dan Severn would overtake him. Even the likes of Kelly Pavlik fighting for the depressed rust belt city of Youngstown and Saul Alvarez taking the torch from Chavez and De La Hoya for Mexico represent regional unity.
It's a hack premise to blindly associate a fighter with his nationality. Nobody likes hearing a "USA! USA!" chant. But one can say there is no higher art form than for one to identify themselves with one's work. I identify with Carlos Condit's work.
Georges St. Pierre is a hero to his country and his province. He proudly rocks a Fleur De Lis on his calf, and the red of Canada on his trunks. Georges St. Pierre is the perfect fighter. On top of that, he's the perfect "fighter". Which means not only is his technique in wrestling, boxing, jiu-jitsu, and every other technique top-notch, he's also a fantastic "fighter". He's handsome, clean-shaven with a shaved-bald head, bilingual, always dresses to the nines, and was the first MMA fighter to have a deal with Under Armour. He's charming, professional, photogenic, a hero to kids, and exactly the kind of champion the UFC needs.
Carlos Condit is unshaved, scruffy, violent, profane, and wears the flag of his home state as his mouthpiece.
That's why we need Carlos Condit.
Carlos Condit will not outstrike Georges St. Pierre. He won't outwrestle him. His submission game is far inferior. GSP has a better clinch game.
There is no way Carlos Condit defeates Georges St. Pierre in a five-round MMA contest.
"I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad." - Howard Beale, Network (1976)
All Carlos Condit has on St. Pierre is one thing, and it's one thing that cannot be measured in the tale of the tape; heart.
Diego Sanchez's intensity couldn't beat BJ Penn. Demian Maia's skills couldn't beat Anderson Silva. Dan Hardy's striking couldn't beat Georges St. Pierre, nor could Josh Koscheck's wrestling. Yushin Okami's strength couldn't topple Anderson Silva.
But for once, just once, I need to live in a world where heart means something. I need to know that in a world of seemingly unstoppable entities and a world that has forgotten about the little guys, that elbow grease and heart still matters.
I need to live in a world where Carlos Condit can be a world champion. Where pedigree and sponsorships can fall to guts and violence. Where bleached-smiles fall to sneers, where safe falls to violent, and where status quo falls to the underdog. Carlos Condit should give all of us a reason to hope.
But mostly, I need to live in a world where heart can win again. For that, we've got to get mad.
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I loved this bro. One of my favorite fanposts of all time, because it’s exactly how I feel.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
Thanks a ton. Means a lot, truly.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel somewhat the same
And I am a fan of both, actually moreso with GSP. But something about Condit both gives me hope that he will make this interesting, and that he will not crumble mentally like the many before him. I’m still picking GSP, but wouldn’t hate watching Condit’s grittiness get him the win from nothing.
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
Oh, absolutely.
On playground I had it as a GSP UD, but I wanted Condit to stop him so badly.
KEMvP
"You know Joe, if Keith Jardines last name was Johnson, the nickname 'The Dean of Mean' wouldn't work at all."
Sometime in 2007, after losing to Cro Cop and Hendo
Wanderlei gave an interview which for the life of me I can’t find. He talked about Shogun’s loss and wanting to fight Forrest and other stuff that doesn’t matter anymore. For whatever reason, one line from that interview stuck with me: It is no longer enough to have a heart.
He was right.
He's absolutely right.
To be a champion, you absolutely need to be tougher than tough, have an iron will, unbreakable resolve, incredible focus and courage, etc. Because in fighting, things will never always go your way. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Aside from being in peak physical condition, you need to be able to outsmart your opponent. You need the technical skills to facilitate your goals. You need to be able to adapt and improvise.
There’s a saying- if you’re gonna be dumb, then you gotta be tough. Well… if you’re a fighter, you gotta be tough, but you can’t be dumb.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 18, 2011 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly – toughness is requirement #1. After that there are a thousand more. Even if you’re overqualified on #1, it won’t matter if you’re lacking in the rest.
I think there are alot of superb athletes
who just aren’t tough enough to be fighters (plus, other sports pay better and don’t incur as much brain damage). It’s a rare breed of man that is athletic, tough, and smart enough to be an elite fighter.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 18, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember when Neer tapped Melvin after he got a fucking CHASM put on his face?
This convo had me thinkin of that for some reason.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah dude, Josh Neer is a motherfucker.
Speaks to how badass Alvarez is, considering how much more thoroughly he dominated Neer than anyone else has.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 20, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
But I think you underestimate how much controlling the cadence of a fight is worth
Read: Toblerone Jones
I think it will be hard for Condit to do that.
Sure, Carlos will press forward standing and will be as active as he can be from the bottom, but ultimately he leaves himself open in doing so. Georges will just attack whenever Condit is walking him down, tagging him with strikes and taking him down pretty much at will. On the ground, every time Carlos opens up his guard for an attack, Georges will have the right counter ready and will rain leather on him.
I like CC and think it will be a good fight, but it’s VERY hard to fight GSP on his own terms. Carlos is constantly trying to hurt you and finish you, but Georges is always trying to be perfect. It’s hard to find the opening to hurt someone who is constantly doing everything right.
Xtreme Couture- The best never rest! The girl in my av is Kari Sweets (you're welcome).
"I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler."
-Socrates
by ElliotMatheny on Oct 18, 2011 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions
But, deep down, Carlos is a Bad Motherfucker
and GSP is kind of… well… a little… something.
A little ______ .
Fighter bashing? I think not.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree
GSP is incredible at controlling rhythm. I just think Condit has a chance there.
Read: Toblerone Jones
I hope so.
Thanks much.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Great stuff
Nicely written.
One remark: although the Dutch have brought forth many great kickboxers, Andy Hug is from Switzerland.
Oh.
You beat me to it.
Fighter, lover and all around awesome.
by Sebastiaan Tauran on Oct 18, 2011 5:58 AM EDT up reply actions
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"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
these are the exact same reasons i was rooting for diaz
i think they represent the most dangerous fighters to gsp right now because they dont have an off switch and will actually attack all 5 rounds.
Diaz would mentally crumble in that fight
In fact, he did before the fight.
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
Andy Hug.
Was Swiss, not Dutch.
Fighter, lover and all around awesome.
by Sebastiaan Tauran on Oct 18, 2011 5:56 AM EDT reply actions
YEAH BUT STILL
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Great article bro.
Goddamn I would love it if Condit pulled off the W somehow, but GSP is just too damn good, like you said. I think ZUFFA has done a sloppy job of building Condit though, we know he likes to scrap and is a ‘killer.’ I want to watch someone with a story, I’m not familiar with Carlos’. Decidedly underwhelmed with this fight, maybe because the fight with Diaz was just so tantalising, although the card is probably gonna end up much better with the switch ups. As much as Condit is going to lose, Diaz would have probably gone way worse. Still want to see him fight GSP though, but I don’t see him getting past BJ.
One again, great job.
I believe in Chael Sonnen.
Thanks a ton, buddy. There are some excellent Condit highlights out there that’ll get you ramped up to watch him.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you man
Carlos has been one of my favorite fighters since I got into this sport, I’d love to see him topple the kingpin.
Gotta nitpick though,
Carlos Condit is unshaved, scruffy, violent, profane, and wears the flag of his home state as his mouthpiece.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard him swear. While he is a scruffy beast in the cage, he’s always calm, relaxed and well spoken in interviews
Profane
doesn’t necessarily refer to swearing.
profane: to treat (something sacred) with abuse, irreverence, or contempt.
Fair enough
I still don’t think it applies though, he always seems pretty respectful outside of the cage.
The way he tossed Rory to the floor and fucking raped him with 20 seconds left in a fight he was losing
was quite profane, if not verbally.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
He does curse in pre-fight interviews on occasion.
"UFC is so gay, pride is awesome!"
by Hendo_One-Shot on Oct 18, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
“Oh, shut the [expletive] up,” a flabbergasted Condit told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) when told the news.
No deal, McCutcheon. That moon money is mine.
Like you, I’m fairly certain that Condit will not win the fight. So I’ll settle for damage here, or at least his forcing GSP to un-sheath his weaponry to finish the fight. No more wrestling seminars, no more jab-fests. Hopefully, Condit will ring his bell and wake GSP up from his dreamless slumber. He will not be as hopeless as Hardy was on the mat, and he will not be as impotent as Koscheck and Shields were on the feet. Condit has finishing ability anywhere a fight goes, and I think what sets him apart from the others more than anything is his unpredictability and a singular ruthless quality. If Mr. Conservative shows up, than he will out-wrestle Condit all night. But I predict he gets nicked up pretty good in the process. I suppose that will just have to be enough.
GSP always shows up. I just hope Condit lives up to the hype.
The last man to really attack GSP with everything he had was Fitch, and we got one of the best fights of the year. GSP-Penn was fairly entertaining as a beatdown,
Alves was supposed to attack. Koscheck wanted a standup fight and got it. Shields was supposed to go for takedowns or at least embrace bottom position as an opportunity, but did neither. In all cases they just looked to survive.
So now we’re hoping Condit brings his aggressive game, but don’t forget the first two rounds against Rory. He needed Jackson to yell at him and fire him up before the third. If we get another fighter feeling overwhelmed and just trying to survive a decision loss (which Condit is 100% capable of doing with his chin if he chooses), then we could get another crappy fight.
by paythefighters on Oct 18, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe because they saw the Fitch fight? GSP styled on Fitch pretty bad.
by discoandherpes on Oct 18, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitch is man style, so is Carlos.
Carlos doesn’t quit, he doesn’t run. He’ll bring it to GSP I’ll guarantee it.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 18, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that a money back guarantee?
If you’re willing to reimburse me, then great! I won’t worry about ordering another boring GSP fight. ;)
Although the co-main promises to be great regardless. I just feel like Condit is being set up as another fall guy for GSP. He can’t stop the takedown, and GSP has done very well against JJ guys who usually threaten wrestlers. I just don’t see Condit being much of a threat, I would be very happy if he could pull off the win, especially a finish.
I really hope so
The problem is that we expected that of Alves and he didn’t really deliver (although that was still a good fight, if not great). I think it was reasonable to expect that of Shields, too, as he never forgot his strength against Hendo and Kampmann and kept trying the takedown until he got it. WTF was he doing against GSP?
I think you’re right, though. We may have to wait, but it should be a good fight.
by paythefighters on Oct 19, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Both Hendo and Kampmann played right into his hands
On pretty much every TD attempt, Hendo and Kampmann would sprawl, but allow Shields to cling to a single. Shields worked that for a reversal or sweep in most cases. GSP never let Shields get the chance to work like that.
:p - orcus
Most of the time I am a rather quiet fellow, who likes to read about Philosophy, Mathematics and History, but like most people I also have a deep appreciation of sex and violence... - John Danaher
Lewis represented Canadians, more than the British.
And the majority of the British shared that sentiment, to be honest. Not a huge deal, just pointing out most British and Canadian boxing fans associated him with the latter, not the former.
Really? I thought it was the other way around
I know he fought for Canada at the Olympics, but he always considered Britain his home, AFAIK. I’d be surprised if Britain was so eager to cast aside such a strong fighter as an outsider.
by paythefighters on Oct 18, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
We just saw an amazing display of heart
winning a fight. Edgar Maynard III was a much smaller guy overcoming getting stomped in the first round to score a knock out and retain his title. That 3 fight series may go down as the greatest in UFC history.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Indeed
Same thing with both Edgar-Penn fights. How can anyone deny that they were largely due to sheer will and work ethic? Edgar was a collosal underdog in the first fight and still a big underdog in the second.
The guy is the posterchild of heart in the UFC.
by paythefighters on Oct 18, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Incorrect
by Damon O. on Oct 18, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Iplayed the fuck out of that game.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
GSP by unanimous decision
followed by GSP talking about how he really tried to finish him but his was just too tough an opponent. GPS will make Condit boring and that takes some doing.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
If GSP is able to make Condit boring, we should blame Condit, and not GSP. Everyone that steps in the cage with GSP is supposed to be ready to bring everything they have to beat GSP, and if they don’t have enough, how is that GSP’s fault? GSP’s job is to defend his title and win fights, it’s not to lower himself to the level of his opposition just so that his fights are exciting.
It's not that he lowers himself, or has to.
It just seems his gameplan centers around making the fight go 5 rounds, in the most risk averse way possible. Nothing wrog with smart fighting, but Risk = Reward, and I don’t know if you guys have noticed but his profit margin has been steadilly shrinking over his last few fights.
Jak’s fighte especially, and if the trend continues we will have a guy willing to take zero risk against an angry animal who wants nothing more than to see his opponent dead. If one thng is apparent about Carlos it’s that he is not afraid to take one to give one, whether it’s slangin hooks with Hardy or flying knees on a lead blanket in Kim.
He doesn’t have to lower himself, but he does have to engage. And he will not go 5 rounds against Condit without engaging and taking offense and Carlos type damage.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrog with smart fighting, but Risk = Reward, and I don’t know if you guys have noticed but his profit margin has been steadilly shrinking over his last few fights.
Uh, what? Other than Lesnar, GSP is the guy who makes the most in the UFC… what are you talking about his profit margin has been shrinking?
Besides, he’s making way more money by winning by safe decisions than he would be if he opened up, got caught, and lost again.
Ok, I gave you a little too much credit there, I guess.
The “Profit Margin” I was indicating wasn’t his literal one, but a figurative measurment of how much damage GSP has been able to do to his previous opponents in relation to how much risk he takes while fighting.
And you think Under Armour is paying more than Nike and Burger King?
Anderson Silva is the highest paid fighter in the UFC, don’t get it twisted.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You use “profit margin” while talking about damage vs risk, and you blame me I didn’t understand you? Alrighty then.
And while it could be fun to speculate about how much GSP and Silva do in endorsements, that’s all it would be, speculation. As far as I how much they both get from Zuffa directly, there’s very little doubt that GSP is the clear #2 earner in the UFC, only behind Lesnar.
Don't be mad at me because you don't understand the concept of a metaphor.
Google that shit. Or maybe go read a book?
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
We ask you again, how is his "profit margin" shrinking?
GSP is a damage machine.
Most damage ever to Alves. Most damage ever to Penn. Most damage ever to Koscheck. On the way to most damage against Shields until the eye poke. The only reason those fights weren’t exciting is that his opponents give up, go into a defensive shell, and fight for a decision loss.
I was going to surmise that you overestimate the profits that those companies are getting in Brazil vs. what Gatorade and Under Armour get in North America, but then I saw this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/outrageous-prices-living-brazil-2011-9#a-fast-food-hamburger-in-the-us-costs-around-550-in-brazil-its-a-whopping-899-5
You could be right, but it’s far from certain.
by paythefighters on Oct 18, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh.
I would say he did more damage to BJ than all of those other fights combined.
He hurt Kos, but then he just coasted 5 rounds. It’s not like the guy got put through the wringer.
I know, it’s never GSPs fault, it’s always his opponents. So good, they just cancel each other out yaddayadda.
What exactly do Burger Kings profits in Brazil have to do with how much endersement money they give an athlete who is primarily seen in North America? Nike, for that matter?
“Sorry Anderson, Whopper sales are down in Curatiba, less money for you this month.”
Lol.
"It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere."
It's not about good or bad opponents
It’s about defensive opponents with no will to win. Please stop this fuckwit “so good…” line that you and crizzy repeat again and again.
Fighters like Fitch (and most contenders, to be honest) see a loss as bad as getting KO’d, so they will never stop trying. He may lack the power and standup to please people, but his heart is there. He came out like a madman in round 3 against BJ because he knew he may have lost the previous two rounds and needed either a 10-8 or a finish. He knew he couldn’t possibly decision GSP, and had no chance of winning sitting back and getting picked apart on the feet, so he went kamikaze on GSP and took a beating that even impressed Big Nog.
Koscheck, Shields, and Hardy saw real value in surviving a decision against GSP. They just said, “I’m not going to win, fuck this warrior bullshit” and not only avoided GSP, but stayed away from their very own offensive strengths.
by paythefighters on Oct 18, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So you choose to believe that it is ALL of GSP’s opponents have “no will to win”, rather than GSP being the root of it? Occam’s Razor my friend. BTW, the "so good… " line is being used because I have heard it so many times; and it is just so implausible as an explanation, it is awesome. Yours is a variation on it. The “GSP is so good everyone gets scared and runs away so GSP couldn’t possibly finish them”. Saying Kos, Shields and Hardy saw real value in losing to GSP is ridiculous. BTW Shields won 2 rounds, so that holds no water.
I don’t have anything against GSP. I recognize he is a great fighter. I used to be a fan. I find him boring and predictable now though.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Who said anything about "all" or "everyone"?
GSP had one bad fight that was mostly his fault because he chose to do no damage.
Beyond that, we’re talking about 2 guys out of 15 UFC fights.
How is it ridiculous? Lots of people think a submission loss is better than getting finished, fans and fighters alike. Koscheck’s corner was screaming at him all fight long to let his hands go, and he refused. Shields went for only 3 takedowns all fight long, and even when GSP took him down, he wanted to bring the fight to the feet again. If you’re clearly down 3-0 on the score cards, and you put no effort into either a knockout or a submission, then your goal is a decision loss. Period. There’s no ifs or buts about it.
That you are pointing out the last two rounds GSP lost to Shields shows how pathetic you are. First of all, he fought with one eye due to the repeated eye pokes. Secondly, there isn’t one MMA site out there that gave Shields the fourth, but it’s nice of you to give incompetent judges some company. Finally, and most importantly, GSP clearly won the first three rounds. Shield could not have won without a submission, so trying only to win rounds clearly tells you that he just wanted the submission loss.
Would you deny that Leites was going for a decision loss? Of course he does. The only reason I partly blame that awful fight on Silva is that he would not attack a guy on his back.
by paythefighters on Oct 19, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Silva didn't need to he was up mulitple rounds prolly even 10-8 on a few.
I personally can’t come up with one valid complaint about GSP except he’s too pretty.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 19, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Using Leites as an example is pretty weak. Silva has been a proven finisher throughout his career. You don’t hear people talking about how he never finishes anyone. He rearranges peoples’ faces with MT, chokes people out, and knocks them out with front kicks and reverse upward elbows. GSP grinds out his decision.
How is a guy that hasn’t KO’d or submitted anyone in years scaring people so much more than Anderson Silve or Jon Jones? Those guys are actually rearranging faces… AND finishing fights. Sorry man, your argument holds NO water.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Because his conservative style yields few openings to attack, yet he is constantly scoring on you, and bringing the fight where he wants it. After the first round of a fight you realize you either a) have another 20 minutes of getting the shit kicked out of you, with little hope of winning, or b) you can go balls to the wall for a slim chance of victory, but most of the time you’re just going to get the shit kicked out of you worse than in option a.
That would be pretty demoralizing. I don’t think it’s scary, but it is demoralizing. Look at BJ coming out for the 4th round; did that look like a guy who believed he could win?
by MS_Dos_Santos on Oct 20, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You say demoralized, I say frustrated. Frustrated that there isn’t any real actual fighting going on. It has been transformed into a game of points instead.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
It’d be nice if one of them tried to actually fight GSP. I mean, uh, why does he carry all the burden of actually getting into a fight?
by Christopher Bradley on Oct 21, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The cost off the hamburger is secondary (not to mention that the cost of: There’s fewer locations, beef is less accessible, etc. What matters is the value of endorsements in a developing nation. While its certainly worth some degree of money to be endorsed by BK’s Brazilian office, it isn’t the same as having an endorsement contract with BK’s US or European offices because celebrities simply don’t make as much money there.
by VirtualBalboa on Oct 21, 2011 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m as big a fan there is of GSP around here, but I’m hoping that Carlos is the man to force GSP into re-becoming the aggressive, exciting and explosive fighter we all know he can be. And if Carlos wins, well, he deserves it after beating GSP, it’ll force GSP into improving (just after his first loss to Hughes and to Serra) and it’ll make for an awesome rematch between the two.
Thanks for all the comments, good and bad, fellas. This was kind of a spur-of-the-moment piece written on emotion, so I apologize for any inaccuracies.
Appreciate the recs, chaps!
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
Love this article
And I’m hoping that Condit will bring out the GSP that really did finish fights. Condit is an exciting fighter to watch, win or lose.
One nitpick, after which I’ll duck my head and leave through the closest exit: “Cassius Clay (nay Muhammad Ali” should be “Muhammad Ali (nee [or ‘born’ if you’re going to REALLY nitpick] Cassius Clay)”. Apologies for focusing on something that doesn’t really matter.
Except he meant it is as "no" not "nee"
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by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
YEAH BUT STILL
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Piece man.
I feel pretty strongly about this fight, as I have found GSP’s squeaky clean image to be nothing but him blowing smoke up peoples asses. The guy is a fucking cheat, and I can’t wait for someone to serve this fool his lunch. If GSP was Russian he sure wouldn’t be gatting the pass he does.
“Oh, Phil forgot he had the grease on his hands. Oh, he can see his hands as he is wiping I guess. Well, there is no way GSP knew Phil was doing that.”
STFU.
The only Canadian GSP hater, right here. I also hate hockey.
Carlos is a bad motherfucker. Sometimes that’s enough. While GSP is trying to win rounds, Carlos will be trying to kill him.
Lethal Standup, completely willing to fight off his back, with the ability to finish the fight from any position.
GSP hasn’t fought a guy like this since BJ, except this guy isn’t undersized, with no gastank, and GSP’s back will be watched like a hawk.
Condit, TKO, RND 2.
Please God.
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by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The only Canadian GSP hater, right here. I also hate hockey.
You, sir, do not deserve to live in Canada. Please leave. Now.
by Shnak on Oct 18, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Come and fucking make me.
Make sure you bring friends, you can even wear your little jerseys!
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by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dig your style.
Fuck everybody!
Learn JiuJitsu.
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by RolloTomasi on Oct 18, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It has it's moments, I guess.
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by Shotokanman on Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I could watch that 1,000 times and not get tired of it. Any time a Pen KOs a Cap it should be a day when all workers are given a day off to get drunk and celebrate.
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by Scabby Knuckle on Oct 18, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Greatest post ever.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The awesome thing about this...
Is that Asham is listed at 5’11" while Beagle is listed at 6’3". The little guy takes on the big guy, and knocks him out cold.
What is not awesome, is that you are Canadian (or so you say), but you love neither hockey nor GSP. If you tell me you prefer US beer, then you will have scored a hat trick in the game of anti-Canadianism ;p
by funkywanderer on Oct 18, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't drink beer at all.
How you like them apples?
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Hockey Refs
Are not paid to take errant elbows from stand-n-wang. Soon as it hits the ice they do dogpile on them though
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by hardlyworking on Oct 18, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i see what you mean.
ive been to 2 hockey games and they turned out to be pretty good. I’m a soccer player and it reminded me of a really fast moving soccer game.
Almost everyone loves going to a live hockey game
The combination of speed and flow is way beyond anything you see in any other sport (that’s why street hockey just isn’t the same).
Baseball, on the other hand…
by paythefighters on Oct 18, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I appreciate the kind words, my friend. It’s always refreshi…
I also hate hockey.…..ng….
YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Who has better stand up?
Bashir Vs. Garcia. Catchweight. MAKE IT HAPPEN BJORN!
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by SanFranpsycho on Oct 18, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The only cool thing about hockey
is the part that looks like a Don Frye fight.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 19, 2011 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes!
Another Canadian GSP hater!!
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by T.C. Engel on Oct 18, 2011 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Good write up, but wouldn't Frankie apply?
After his last two fights he’s the poster child for “Heart winning championships”
by HaterSlayer on Oct 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Actually
I’ve always loved seeing heart get demolished by skill. There’s something reassuring about knowing that force of will can’t overcome inevitability. If it could, people would live forever. My friends would be able to beat me at video games. And women would find me resistible. No thanks. Fuck that world.
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by IKiIIed007 on Oct 18, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
This sounds like the speech from Braveheart:
You can take our lives…but you can never take our FREEDOM!!!!
"Maybe, you throw some pepper at him."
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I'm a huge Condit fan. GSP, eh, not so much.
Condit’s standup is very underrated, IMO. He combines the technical skills and accuracy needed to dismantle people with the actual knowledge needed to do so, and that’s a scary thing in a guy with such a crazy killer instinct. IMO, this fight is going to be very, very close depending on how far Condit’s TDD has come.
That said, I’d put money on GSP via LnP, but my heart’s going with an ultra-violent Condit KO.
You making it sound like Carlos has a 5% chance at beating GSP
This will be a much closer fight than the Hardy fight, Sheilds, Koscheck, Penn, Alves.
Believe it.!!!!!
Sheilds fight was dawm joke. I can’t believe it actually happened.
GSP is my favorite fighter, and I want him to destroy Condit
but this was still an excellent FanPost.
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by Tim Bernier on Oct 18, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Everything about your comment is mind boggling to me except where you say this post was excellent. I mean do you also like to kick kittens and puppies?
by Empty Thoughts on Oct 18, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Condit’s awesome, don’t get me wrong. I favored the GSP vs Diaz and Condit vs Penn matchups so they could both win. But GSP is still my favorite fighter and if he was in the cage against my mom I’m still rooting for him.
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lol, ok I have to give you props for that I guess. Personally I’d be pretty upset about GSP beating up my mom, but you have proven that you are a fan. :)
by Empty Thoughts on Oct 18, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Good looking out, Tim. Brohug?
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Respect-hug.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this was fucking fantastic. This is the same feeling I get when I watch Frankie Edgar fight.
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by mountaineers101 on Oct 18, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks much, comrade!
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Great write up
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
Thank you, amigo.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Carlos has been one of my favorite fighters since his fight with John Alessio in the WEC,
and I will go nuts if he can pull this off. Carlos is all heart man. Not to say Georges isn’t mentally tough, but I just think Carlos has more bloody-minded stubbornness, and will be on the attack at all times. Either way, I’m really happy he’s finally getting his shot, and getting appreciated for his skills, heart and guts in the Octagon. There is no more exciting fighter in MMA. I could watch his last ten fights again and again. Every one was a war of attrition until the last two, where he’s suddenly gotten more efficient at dispatching his opponents. The guy stops nearly everyone he fights, comes back with a vengeance when hurt, and IMO, is an even better foil for Georges than Nick is, not to mention more deserving of a title shot. WAR CONDIT!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 18, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
aannndddd...FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? Is there an avenging power in nature? Not one power, but two?
by Kwisatz Haderach on Oct 18, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
here's all i hope for
condit is down 3-1, maybe 4-0 after four rounds.
go out on your fucking shield! that’s all i ask.
i love fighters like jake shields and kenny florian – but what the hell were they thinking in the fifth round of their fights???? you are LOSING. put it al on the line! get knocked out or something!
koscheck i will give a pass due to injury.
mark hominick, or even fitch in the penn fight, behaved differently. they knew they were down on the scorecards and they threw everything they had out there. in neither case was it enough to win, or get the finish. but you could feel the desperation.
so let’s see that from condit. i don’t want to see him acting like a deer in the headlights in the later rounds. go out and throw punches. the man to beat GSP will be the man who fights without fear. i hope condit’s that guy, win or lose.
Funny Story
I clicked on this story, seeing it in the sidebar as recommended. Read the whole thing (rarely done for me with fanposts) and thought it was fantastic.
Then I clicked back to the BE home and saw that GSP is injured. Definition of “Buzz Kill”
by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Oct 18, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
Hahaha, for real. But thanks for reading! Yeah, I just commented how I’m lucky I got it out when I did. Otherwise I would have heaved my computer out my window.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw the news
And immediately thought of your fanpost. Luckily, the fight is still on, to be saved for a later date.
Business as Usual has a STACKED team. I mean, we could win with just me, but you know.
I meant to say this earlier when I rec’d this before going to work but bravo, dude. Great shit.
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Always many thanks, my good friend.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 18, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So I guess we turn down fights with Kos and Rumble to sit on the side-lines and wait for a title shot we weren't meant to get?
I had to go there, sorry. Good post! Personally though I usually like it more when technical proficiency beats heart. Maybe because I just like more technical fighters in general, preferably strikers, than “heart” guys. Like when BJ Penn demolished Diego Sanchez. Or when Kampmann picked him apart. Wait..
Either way, I don’t know if I agree that GSP necessarily has better technical striking or jiu-jitsu than Condit. The obvious huge difference maker is his wrestling though, where there is just a vast gap between the two. Condit is definitely a very “heart” kind of guy, but he also has great technique to back it up (minus the wrestling part). Maybe that is nit-picking on the premise of your post, but either way it was well written and enjoyable!
Ah, yes, the crazy GSP has no heart argument
GSP was going to fight with a sprained knee, but only didn’t fight Condit because he also hurt his hamstring.
In the Shields fight, GSP got poked, what? Five times? One of them very badly, blinding him in one eye. During the fight, he did not so much as flinch at these repeated eye pokes. But people in bizarro world think he is “mentally weak” because, in his corner, he seemed concerned that he couldn’t see out of one eye. But not once did he complain to the ref about being poked, even though, if he’d wanted an “easy win”, at any point he could have done that and gotten a victory.
I really hope that Condit comes out fighting when they meet, I really do. Many of GSP’s fights, since he ran over Fitch, have been pretty hesitant. Not by GSP. Oh, no, he’s a pretty busy fighter. But by his flinching, running away opponents. Whether it is Thiago Alves’ hesitant strikes or Josh Koscheck’s . . . well, almost total lack of offense, when the cage closes, a lot of guys realize they’re locked in with GSP and it breaks them down. They offer no game plan at all except survive to the end of the fight, which they often do – a process made much easier by their unwillingness to actually engage GSP. He, of course, gets blamed for this.
But, hey, I hope Condit puts on a gutsy fight, I really do. But let’s not pretend that GSP doesn’t have guts while the other guys are blameless. That’s not true.
by Christopher Bradley on Oct 20, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh. Name a point where I said Georges has no heart?
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Soooo . . . your article just has no point? GSP is that fighter filled with heart that inspires us to like MMA?
However, you DID say, “All Carlos Condit has on St. Pierre is one thing, and it’s one thing that cannot be measured in the tale of the tape; heart.” Now, given the context of the post, that statement is pretty clear, and it is certainly one of the more common narratives on BE: GSP has no guts, he doesn’t like to get hit, he plays a safe game, so forth and so on. Indeed, much of your post’s content was precisely that – that GSP is the antithesis of Condit’s perceived “heart”.
So, yeah, you pretty much did say Georges has no heart. That was sort of the point of the whole article, really.
by Christopher Bradley on Oct 20, 2011 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
No. Just no.
My point was that heart is immeasurable, but Condit seems to have a more tenacious, desperate, sheer force-of-will nature (i.e. “heart”) over GSP. Now it’s true that GSP hasn’t been pushed to that level like Condit has in the third round against Rory to apply his appreciable heart, and that’s more my point.
The point was that GSP has more defined and noticeable skills, whereas Carlos thrives on more emotion. It’s like a finally honed military unit taking out 80 guys with facepaint and knives in their teeth. If GSP is a finely honed katana, made by the most skilled artisans in the world, Condit is a rusty, jagged butcher knife you found in a storm drain.
I never once doubted George’s heart, but he’s either too skilled to be in danger to show it, or simply doesn’t have that killer instinct and tenacity (as it often debated). Carlos shows heart because he does get his ass kicked, but comes back. He shows vulnerability because he fights all or nothing.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 20, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, yes
Maybe you didn’t intend to, and you just suck at writing, but you very strongly created – and continue to create – this false dichotomy of Condit as some sort of grizzled dude and GSP as a “katana”. Condit as the bearer of this mystical “heart” and GSP as representative of the new breed of technically skilled but emotionally hollow professional. That’s the entire premise of your piece! If it’s “well, I want to see heart, and Condit has a little more than GSP” – at which point I guess it CAN be measured, by you! – that’s not a very interesting piece. But that seems to be what you’re saying, now. That Georges has heart but just not as much as Condit, but not by that much, either!
Here’s the way I see it. Heart clearly exists, anyone who’s watched any fighting sport and see guys wilt, but it’s very hard to measure. I can’t answer the question if GSP fighting Shields half blind shows more or less heart than Condit coming back against MacDonald. But I do know that you posited a dichotomy between Condit’s heart and GSP’s . . . well, now you’re saying you never said he didn’t have heart, but if you didn’t say that, then your article described no dichotomy. Maybe you just suck as a writer.
If you want to see guys who fight more with balls than skill, hey, there’s always middleweight.
(And I think there’s a pretty good chance that Condit is going to freeze in the cage. Lots of other tough dudes have gotten into the cage with Georges and been paralyzed. I hope this does not happen. Unlike Cindjor below, I don’t attribute Georges’ lack of finishing people due to his sadism and desire to extend punishment to bullies, but because since GSP ran over Fitch everyone who’s gotten in the cage with him has fought scared and done little but try to survive. It’s very hard to finish a fighter who is doing nothing but trying to be finished. I hope Condit comes out hard and never backs down . . . at which point I think the fight will be very short.)
by Christopher Bradley on Oct 20, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for reading :)
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 20, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully, next time, you’ll take my lessons to heart and think things through a little.
by Christopher Bradley on Oct 21, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Heheheh, I’ll get right on that.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 21, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Because, otherwise, you’ll just continue to embarrass yourself horribly with poorly thought out pieces and shoddy argument.
by Christopher Bradley on Oct 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take my chances.
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by BVandDietPepsi on Oct 21, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the shittiest troll job ever
This is a well written post that spurred a very lively conversation.
Even if you don’t agree with the content the writing is awesome.
You are lost…
Wow, cool your jets dude
I know we can’t all write literary masterpieces like your sole article here on BE
But try not to be so harsh on us lowly posters… It’s not BV’s fault that he’s drank himself into a double digit I.Q.
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by ElliotMatheny on Oct 21, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP does what he does
and does it well. He has the ability to finish opponents but he chooses not to. why? because he doesn’t have to finish anyone. He’s already the champion. Look at what happened to Matt Serra in their re-match, and at Matt Hughes too. He chooses to EXTEND a fight to break down his opponents will. How many fighters in the UFC can claim that? Other than AS who just finishes the fight when he gets bored with toying with opponent.
Killer instinct? GSP has almost a sadist’s instinct where he punishes his opponents in whatever way he feels that they deserve. Remember TUF with Kos and GSP? I remember an episode where GSP was talking to his team about not showing he lost his temper/anger until he was ready and would show it in the cage.
GSP mentioned he was bullied as a kid iirc and I feel that since he KNOWS he can pretty much do what he wants, when he wants to these other “bullies” in the ring with him so that he takes out his suppressed anger in the cage.
I’m a huge GSP fan (I wrote a paper on him senior year in high school), but you’re wrong. GSP has never been a particularly violent fighter. He usually slowly beats up a guy with strikes (whether it’s striking or ground and pound) and gets a mercy stoppage. He very rarely gets a B.J. Penn type stoppage where he rocks a guy then swarms with either punches or a submission.
The reason that GSP doesn’t finish is because he’s unwilling even to take small risks in swarming a guy, and his submission game has regressed. Are you telling me that risking position going all out for that armbar against Dan Hardy was too big of a risk to take?
I could make a GSP is me, or GSP is exposed joke here. But the honest truth is he hasn’t been particularly impressive in a while.
by discoandherpes on Oct 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. I with both you and Cindjor! I think GSP doesn’t finish because his opponents are beaten before they get in the cage with him and they fight very timidly, spending most of their time trying not to get knocked out or submitted. It’s very hard to finish a fighter that isn’t really fighting back.
I mean, uh, in GSP’s last fight, as just one instance, he was throwing spinning kicks to Shields. That’s . . . a conservative fighting technique? Especially when Shields specialty is jiu jitsu and the spinning kick provided the only real chance he had to take GSP down?
by Christopher Bradley on Oct 21, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
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